Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[JustaRandomReindeer]

dense arent you? As i said before, horde has no dwarven, human, gnomish, nigh elven, draenei, worgen organization, that would make people ask for them as a playable horde race.. get it now mister common sense?

So? They could easily make up lore tomorrow and say that there was a dwarven mine in Durotar somewhere and the Horde helped those dwarves fend off troggs so they decide to join the Horde. Do you see now how irrelevant lore is when it's not a finished product? They can write and erase whatever they want and they do that all the time. Lore says that most of the High Elves named themself Blood Elves and joined the Horde. And that happened because they wanted to give a good race to the Horde to balance faction population. They are not changing their mind now and adding the same race to the Alliance but with blue eyes is dumb, makes no sense and they already said they won't do it. Keep dreaming.

First off, I am not an Alliance Player. I have stated that in this topic in fact. I do have alliance toons, but I only play 2 while I have far more Horde toons I play. I don't care if the Alliance gets High Elves or not, I just don't accept the reason as sound.

Secondly, while not as vocal, there are Horde players who have asked for certain Alliance races to be playable on the Horde. In fact, prior to the announcement of Dark Iron for the Alliance, some were considering they could go Horde. There are still people who want Man'ari Eredar playable on the Horde as well. High Elves just have had a larger presence on the Alliance and thus have more fans in the franchise who want them playable.

So Man'ari Eredar are just Draenei with different eye color?

[Darththeo]

So Man'ari Eredar are just Draenei with different eye color?

You do know that not all Man'ari are red right? Some look pretty similar to the playable Draenei, you do know that right?

[Syegfryed]

Yeah ... it's "just" pandaren that blur faction lines.

sorry but nothing there blurred the factions, just the pandaren thing, the paladin and shaman a bit, but was not a big deal since new lore was created and they were "different" things still, horde and alliance main themes and races ( who is the principal thing in the factions( still are the same)

and is not blurring even more that will fix the problem of "blur"

Again, it doesn't need to be a Belf skin tone ... just one maybe with a slight purple tint as opposed to the full on purple skin.

i agree with that, the problem is marjory of the HE cult just want belf skin tone, HE race or burst

[JustaRandomReindeer]

You do know that not all Man'ari are red right? Some look pretty similar to the playable Draenei right?

Well people don't want those. They want the the red demons. Are you being ignorant on purpose?

[Syegfryed]

You do know that not all Man'ari are red right? Some look pretty similar to the playable Draenei right?

ma'nari are all eredar demons, i never saw one without being red or too much corrupted

[Zulkhan]

maybe modes are afraid that they open another topic and the cancer spread, who knows

Yeah, that would be understandable. If they have to complain, better if they do that within a single channel I guess.

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ma'nari are all eredar demons, i never saw one without being red or too much corrupted

Archimonde would like to have word with you.

[Darththeo]

ma'nari are all eredar demons, i never saw one without being red or too much corrupted

You never seen Archimonde?

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Archimonde would like to have word with you.

Damn ... you beat me too it.

[JustaRandomReindeer]

You never seen Archimonde?

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Damn ... you beat me too it.

Answer my question.

[Darththeo]

Answer my question.

Why should I answer based on what you assume what those people want? Have you polled them? How you know they want the red feel cracked version and not a choice?

[Syegfryed]

You never seen Archimonde?

Archimonde would like to have word with you.

too much corrupted

pretty sure archimond is grey and corrupted, not blue like the draeneis

beside she is the only one

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Answer my question.

well you have proven yourself to be ignorant, having irrelevant comparisons and generalizing what people want, why would anyone waste their time?

[JustaRandomReindeer]

Why should I answer based on what you assume what those people want? Have you polled them? How you know they want the red feel cracked version and not a choice?

I have never seen even a single person demand Draenei with different eye color. Not a one person demanding blue Eredar. Have you? Or did you just assume they do? Have you polled them?

well you have proven yourself to be ignorant, having irrelevant comparisons and generalizing what people want, why would anyone waste their time?

Oh, I am ignorant and making irrelevant comparisons? Comes from the people that compare High Elves allied race demands to Eredar allied race demands.

[Darththeo]

I have never seen even a single person demand Draenei with different eye color. Not a one person demanding blue Eredar. Have you? Or did you just assume they do? Have you polled them?

Archimonde says Hi. I guess you never raided in WoD. Hell, other Blue eradar appeared in BC. Seriously, what the ****?

And you are assuming that people don't want to make Archimonde rip offs? Yeah ... because Death Knights players don't want to ripoff Arthas and Demon Hunters don't want to be Illidian. I am assuming that WoW players like to model themselves off lore figures ... you are assuming based on nothing.

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First off, I am not an Alliance Player. I have stated that in this topic in fact. I do have alliance toons, but I only play 2 while I have far more Horde toons I play. I don't care if the Alliance gets High Elves or not, I just don't accept the reason as sound.

Secondly, while not as vocal, there are Horde players who have asked for certain Alliance races to be playable on the Horde. In fact, prior to the announcement of Dark Iron for the Alliance, some were considering they could go Horde. There are still people who want Man'ari Eredar playable on the Horde as well. High Elves just have had a larger presence on the Alliance and thus have more fans in the franchise who want them playable.

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BC: Shaman and Paladin given to opposite faction. Typical Alliance style race given to Horde.
WotLK: Horde and Alliance mainly worked together even against a Rogue Horde Faction. Hell, even an important Alliance Faction in the expansion was made of High Elves.
Cata: Typical Horde style race given to Alliance.
MoP: Pandaren given to both factions.
BfA: Opposing factions get offshoot of the opposite faction Elf race.

Yeah ... it's "just" pandaren that blur faction lines.

Again, it doesn't need to be a Belf skin tone ... just one maybe with a slight purple tint as opposed to the full on purple skin.

You're projecting the old idea of savage versus civilized onto faction identity. You're right that that theme isn't as important as it used to be, but faction identity was never bound to that single thematic difference. Faction identity changed. The two factions are still different. The fundamental idea of faction identity is that they are two sets of mutually exclusive options. That's the very core design of the game.

Even Pandaren are an exclusive option in the fact that their neutrality is only available if you play a Pandaren. Nightborne are exclusive to the Horde, and have significant thematic changes from night elves. Void elves are significantly different from the Blood Elves, because they have taken a theme and pushed it to the extreme in an effort to make that difference significant. That exaggerated theme is what makes them an exclusively Alliance race.

High Elves do not have strong themes like that. More importantly, everything that makes a high elf a high elf, is also part of what makes a Blood Elf a Blood Elf. Blood Elves gave up none of the high elf fantasy. The only thing that Blood Elves do not have, and High Elves do, is an allegiance to the Alliance.

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Oh, I am ignorant and making irrelevant comparisons? Comes from the people that compare High Elves allied race demands to Eredar allied race demands.

i never said anything like this, another generalization

[Syegfryed]

well you have proven yourself to be ignorant, having irrelevant comparisons and generalizing what people want, why would anyone waste their time?

did you do that on purpose? cause i giggle about the irony

[Darththeo]

too much corrupted

pretty sure archimond is grey and corrupted, not blue like the draeneis

beside she is the only one

He's blue! Yes, he is a grayish blue, but his skin tone didn't change much from before he was corrupted.

Also he is not. http://www.wowhead.com/npc=20879/eredar-soul-eater

[Syegfryed]

He's blue! Yes, he is a grayish blue, but his skin tone didn't change much from before he was corrupted.

taking count the last raid he appear e is pretty much grey

Also he is not. http://www.wowhead.com/npc=20879/eredar-soul-eater

Eredar and not manari yet

i checked the wiki and the only manary "grey" is archimond still

[Darththeo]

You're projecting the old idea of savage versus civilized onto faction identity. You're right that that theme isn't as important as it used to be, but faction identity was never bound to that single thematic difference. Faction identity changed. The two factions are still different. The fundamental idea of faction identity is that they are two sets of mutually exclusive options. That's the very core design of the game.

Even Pandaren are an exclusive option in the fact that their neutrality is only available if you play a Pandaren. Nightborne are exclusive to the Horde, and have significant thematic changes from night elves. Void elves are significantly different from the Blood Elves, because they have taken a theme and pushed it to the extreme in an effort to make that difference significant. That exaggerated theme is what makes them an exclusively Alliance race.

High Elves do not have strong themes like that. More importantly, everything that makes a high elf a high elf, is also part of what makes a Blood Elf a Blood Elf. Blood Elves gave up none of the high elf fantasy. The only thing that Blood Elves do not have, and High Elves do, is an allegiance to the Alliance.

That's not entirely true, and you know it. High Elves chose not to use Fel magics for their addiction. Blood Elves and High Elves are as different as Void Elves and Blood Elves ... you just accept one as extreme and not the other.

Also, just because there are sets of choices doesn't mean faction identity exists. That doesn't follow.