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    Quote Originally Posted by Obelisk Kai View Post
    Need I remind you, one of us had their point of view validated by the developers last week and the other had their arguments completely rejected yet still seemingly persists in acting as if that didn't happen?
    wat?......

    Proove it, i saw the interview like 10 times and i'm tired of it, you are just lying or in denial.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aldo Hawk View Post
    Just look how many games with factions but just humans or the same races in the two sides do the faction wall right,
    This is another argument I find very strong. So many games have humans (or multiple races) on both sides, and yet they manage to stay completely separate. How? Ideology. How in the world does the Horde not have some sort of human sub-faction that they're not aligned with enough to be a playable race? It goes a bit into that 'morally gray' discussion going on at the moment, but I believe there's simply no way that there's not a group (even a quite sizable) ones that would identify more with the morals and goals of the Horde than they would the Alliance. Sure, there's the issue perhaps of Orcs or some other group being racist against all humans or something of that nature, but I'm positive there'd be a a group that would be able to convince the Horde leadership that "those guys wearing blue suck, we want to be on your team."

    They'd be biologically no different than Alliance humans, but ideologically worlds apart. It'd be an incredible hotbed for faction and racial tension. Alliance humans disgusted with them for 'forsaking' their own race (much like Blood Elves are for High Elves), and Horde humans unable to comprehend how their Alliance counterparts are blind to the tyranny they willingly follow (Again, like High Elves are of Blood Elves.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aldo Hawk View Post
    wat?......

    Proove it, i saw the interview like 10 times and i'm tired of it, you are just lying or in denial.
    You're accusing others of lying and being in denial, but you're rejecting the lead game dev on saying no and saying his arguments don't matter?
    Quote Originally Posted by WoWKnight65 View Post
    That's same excuse from you and so many others on this website and your right some of threads do bully high elf fans to a point where they might end up losing their minds to a point of a mass shooting.
    Holy shit lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Friendlyimmolation View Post
    You're accusing others of lying and being in denial, but you're rejecting the lead game dev on saying no and saying his arguments don't matter?
    Ion didn't said he would not add them, he said no for now, that's not a no, that's a maybe let's see in the future.

    So he didn't said yes nor no, so stop being so delusional.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aldo Hawk View Post
    Ion didn't said he would not add them, he said no for now, that's not a no, that's a maybe let's see in the future.

    So he didn't said yes nor no, so stop being so delusional.
    Face it, he said no and unless you can figure out how to make a High Elf that isn't pale skinned, blond or majestic then his 'anything can happen in the future' line was a standard platitude in case at some point, FAR down the road beyond current timeframes, they change their minds.

    Now you might be fine with spending the next ten years waiting for that and to then proclaim your victory, but I'll take the here and now where he ruled them out comprehensively over an extremely unlikely hypothetical future where someone changes their mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Obelisk Kai View Post
    Face it, he said no and unless you can figure out how to make a High Elf that isn't pale skinned, blond or majestic then his 'anything can happen in the future' line was a standard platitude in case at some point, FAR down the road beyond current timeframes, they change their minds.

    Now you might be fine with spending the next ten years waiting for that and to then proclaim your victory, but I'll take the here and now where he ruled them out comprehensively over an extremely unlikely hypothetical future where someone changes their mind.
    Don't you realise that it is you the one who believes they aren't going to change their minds in 10 years? I mean, i take on that chance, but i'm not ofuscated on it, maybe you should grab a beautiful and well decorated mirror and look yourself on it.

    Edit: xd
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aldo Hawk View Post
    Don't you realise that it is you the one who believes they aren't going to change their minds in 10 years? I mean, i take on that chance, but i'm not ofuscated on it, maybe you should grab a beautiful and well decorated mirror and look yourself on it.

    Edit: xd
    Well they haven't changed their minds after fifteen and they seem firmer than ever in their rejection so I think the balance of probability is on my side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aldo Hawk View Post
    Ion didn't said he would not add them, he said no for now, that's not a no, that's a maybe let's see in the future.
    Except he said no, period. That's the stance he'll maintain for the foreseeable future and of course it would have been silly to affirm such stance even towards the distant and yet-to-plan future. Nonetheless, considered how Blizzard plans several expansions in advance, it's quite set in stone the fact that High Elves will not be a thing and for a very long time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlubberPuddy View Post
    That's pretty much the same answer that was given for High Elves.
    Like, not at all. "It's always possible" is definitely not the vibe you get from Ion's words regarding High Elves.
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    It's a general rule though that if you play horde you are a bad person irl. It's just a scientific fact.
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    The game didn't give me any good reason to hate the horde. Forums did that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Friendlyimmolation View Post
    You're accusing others of lying and being in denial, but you're rejecting the lead game dev on saying no and saying his arguments don't matter?
    The funny thing about this whole high elf debate is that it's entirely superficial. If they changed lore and made high elves black or something then no one would accept it. I know it, you know it, hell even Ion brought it up.

    Legolas on the Alliance side isn't happening people. The faster you accept that the better

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aldo Hawk View Post
    Ion didn't said he would not add them, he said no for now, that's not a no, that's a maybe let's see in the future.

    So he didn't said yes nor no, so stop being so delusional.
    Yeah Aldo Hawk. The future! You guys waited 14 years let's see if you can wait another 14!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Obelisk Kai View Post
    Well they haven't changed their minds after fifteen and they seem firmer than ever in their rejection so I think the balance of probability is on my side.
    Now are fifteen years instead of thirteen, and you just jumped over the entire allied race concept that got added a pair of months ago.

    You are doing pretty good!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by united View Post
    Yeah Aldo Hawk. The future! You guys waited 14 years let's see if you can wait another 14!
    I don't care if they got added or not, i just want a more complete game, and again, you are just avoiding that the allied race concept is something that opens the door for something like HE, and it got oficcially added 2-3 months ago.

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    @ercarp your artwork is so amazing! Glad to see it got a great reception on Reddit and that others there said they would be down with these "throwback WC2 High Elves"

    Now to everyone who quoted me:
    John Hight: It's always possible, but we don't have any immediate plans to include the Wildhammer clan.
    Ion Hazzikostas: Anything is possible in the future, but no plans in the near-term to add High Elves as an Allied Race.
    I mean not sure how much crystal clear-er both statements can be. They both bring across the same message. "Not now but maybe later." They are nearly verbatim. Unless people haven't heard of synonyms and thesauruses.

    What I find much funnier is how often the anti-helfers stay in this thread. I guess this means if HE fans are going to talk about High Elves until they're added then the anti-Helfers will be right alongside saying no

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aldo Hawk View Post
    Ion didn't said he would not add them, he said no for now, that's not a no, that's a maybe let's see in the future.

    So he didn't said yes nor no, so stop being so delusional.
    It's pretty obvious that Ion does not want to add them. I mean, he completely ignored the hottest debate of the last 6 months, so much is he adamant on not giving High Elves. That said, devs change all the time, so the next game director may have a different opinion about the topic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlubberPuddy View Post
    @ercarp your artwork is so amazing! Glad to see it got a great reception on Reddit and that others there said they would be down with these "throwback WC2 High Elves"
    Thank you! It did get downvoted a lot first (which was the expected reaction) but I'm glad it turned around! I hope I managed to make at least a few people more open to the idea of high elves as a playable race.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ddi View Post
    It's pretty obvious that Ion does not want to add them. I mean, he completely ignored the hottest debate of the last 6 months, so much is he adamant on not giving High Elves. That said, devs change all the time, so the next game director may have a different opinion about the topic.
    The worst thing about this debate is that i have to argue every single piece of everything because if not some people will come stating demoralizing messages without caring to it sounding logical.

    For example, the 13 years of no HE thing... how the fk would HE been added even if they wanted? allied race system is something that enables things like this and they still use the 13 years argument, pathetic.

    Or the looks argument, that just falls by itself.

    Or the faction wall, what is laughtable to say the least.

    But here you have it, they don't care to be factual becase it's easy to say that it will not happen because blah blah blah without backing it up, because it is said just to piss people off, they simply don't care and come here to make fun of people.

    Heh, at least i enjoy pointing their shit out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ercarp View Post
    Thank you! It did get downvoted a lot first (which was the expected reaction) but I'm glad it turned around! I hope I managed to make at least a few people more open to the idea of high elves as a playable race.
    You are doing a great work with those draws, you are the proove that this is something people would put their time and effort on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aldo Hawk View Post
    Now are fifteen years instead of thirteen, and you just jumped over the entire allied race concept that got added a pair of months ago.

    You are doing pretty good!!
    You seem to be ignoring that they explicitly ruled out High Elves.

    Saying the Allied race system is brand new and so High Elves still has a chance is not a great statement when Blizzard went out of their way to NOT use that system for High Elves. After all they created Void Elves as an allied race as a compromise they appear to be very satisfied with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aldo Hawk View Post
    Heh, at least i enjoy pointing their shit out.
    You really point nothing out. You seem to be satisfied with your arguments, but your arguments are torn apart on a daily basis by others using evidence sourced from the game and from the developers. The High Elf debate was buried last week and all you have left in your arsenal is 'they may change their minds sometime'.

    When they do you can be sure we will all know about it. Until then, you have nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Obelisk Kai View Post
    You seem to be ignoring that they explicitly ruled out High Elves.

    Saying the Allied race system is brand new and so High Elves still has a chance is not a great statement when Blizzard went out of their way to NOT use that system for High Elves. After all they created Void Elves as an allied race as a compromise they appear to be very satisfied with.

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    You really point nothing out. You seem to be satisfied with your arguments, but your arguments are torn apart on a daily basis by others using evidence sourced from the game and from the developers. The High Elf debate was buried last week and all you have left in your arsenal is 'they may change their minds sometime'.

    When they do you can be sure we will all know about it. Until then, you have nothing.
    The thing you are pointing is that they do not added HE and instead they added VE, nothing more, because you are not bringing nothing factual from ingame and using the developer's word as any kind of fact is just not working because they contradict themselves, accept it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlubberPuddy View Post
    I mean not sure how much crystal clear-er both statements can be. They both bring across the same message. "Not now but maybe later." They are nearly verbatim. Unless people haven't heard of synonyms and thesauruses.
    They're literally dangling a carrot in front of you, just keeping it out of reach but not far enough for you to give up. Blizzard has been doing this since WoW launched. I'm surprised you have caught on yet, honestly.

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