Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[Aldo Hawk]

It's pretty obvious that Ion does not want to add them. I mean, he completely ignored the hottest debate of the last 6 months, so much is he adamant on not giving High Elves. That said, devs change all the time, so the next game director may have a different opinion about the topic.

The worst thing about this debate is that i have to argue every single piece of everything because if not some people will come stating demoralizing messages without caring to it sounding logical.

For example, the 13 years of no HE thing... how the fk would HE been added even if they wanted? allied race system is something that enables things like this and they still use the 13 years argument, pathetic.

Or the looks argument, that just falls by itself.

Or the faction wall, what is laughtable to say the least.

But here you have it, they don't care to be factual becase it's easy to say that it will not happen because blah blah blah without backing it up, because it is said just to piss people off, they simply don't care and come here to make fun of people.

Heh, at least i enjoy pointing their shit out.

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Thank you! It did get downvoted a lot first (which was the expected reaction) but I'm glad it turned around! I hope I managed to make at least a few people more open to the idea of high elves as a playable race.

You are doing a great work with those draws, you are the proove that this is something people would put their time and effort on.

[Obelisk Kai]

Now are fifteen years instead of thirteen, and you just jumped over the entire allied race concept that got added a pair of months ago.

You are doing pretty good!!

You seem to be ignoring that they explicitly ruled out High Elves.

Saying the Allied race system is brand new and so High Elves still has a chance is not a great statement when Blizzard went out of their way to NOT use that system for High Elves. After all they created Void Elves as an allied race as a compromise they appear to be very satisfied with.

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Heh, at least i enjoy pointing their shit out.

You really point nothing out. You seem to be satisfied with your arguments, but your arguments are torn apart on a daily basis by others using evidence sourced from the game and from the developers. The High Elf debate was buried last week and all you have left in your arsenal is 'they may change their minds sometime'.

When they do you can be sure we will all know about it. Until then, you have nothing.

[Aldo Hawk]

You seem to be ignoring that they explicitly ruled out High Elves.

Saying the Allied race system is brand new and so High Elves still has a chance is not a great statement when Blizzard went out of their way to NOT use that system for High Elves. After all they created Void Elves as an allied race as a compromise they appear to be very satisfied with.

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You really point nothing out. You seem to be satisfied with your arguments, but your arguments are torn apart on a daily basis by others using evidence sourced from the game and from the developers. The High Elf debate was buried last week and all you have left in your arsenal is 'they may change their minds sometime'.

When they do you can be sure we will all know about it. Until then, you have nothing.

The thing you are pointing is that they do not added HE and instead they added VE, nothing more, because you are not bringing nothing factual from ingame and using the developer's word as any kind of fact is just not working because they contradict themselves, accept it.

[Goldielocks]

I mean not sure how much crystal clear-er both statements can be. They both bring across the same message. "Not now but maybe later." They are nearly verbatim. Unless people haven't heard of synonyms and thesauruses.

They're literally dangling a carrot in front of you, just keeping it out of reach but not far enough for you to give up. Blizzard has been doing this since WoW launched. I'm surprised you have caught on yet, honestly.

[Divinexve]

My god this thread is a warzone lmao

[Mutineer]

My god this thread is a warzone lmao

It exploded from page 117 last Friday to where it is now, absolutely crazy no matter what side you're on here haha.

[Obelisk Kai]

The thing you are pointing is that they do not added HE and instead they added VE, nothing more, because you are not bringing nothing factual from ingame and using the developer's word as any kind of fact is just not working because they contradict themselves, accept it.

Oh great now your argument is that the developers don't know what they are talking about but you are granted some sort of special insight into the workings of the game.

I don't respect that at all as a position.

You are not right. You are not special. You are a fan with an agenda, same as myself, except MY agenda happens to be the one endorsed by the developers with all the evidence and interviews behind it.

[Syegfryed]

are they back to being delusional again?

its like the Q&A never happened

"he didn't said no herpderp"

[FlubberPuddy]

Thank you! It did get downvoted a lot first (which was the expected reaction) but I'm glad it turned around! I hope I managed to make at least a few people more open to the idea of high elves as a playable race.

Ah didn't know that, I think you are though which is really nice to see.

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I find it funny too that some of the reddit peeps are saying your designs should go to Blood Elves. That's an OMEGALUL if I've ever seen one Funny that even after Ion described Blood Elves as "Majestic" there are those that wish for the "Wild Elf feathers and warpaint" look for their Blood Elves. I guess those people also need realizing what Blood Elves portray, which are royalty, bourgeoisie lifestyle. They'd more readily call those High Elves, barbaric than share in their similarities.

And as the developers are showing us, they want specific themes and aesthetics to be shown visually for their playable races. Having "Wild" Blood Elves runs in counter to the already established "prim and proper" Blood Elf aesthetic.

For instance all the Orc Clans still share the main Orc aesthetics visually: tribal, savage, honor-bound. So of course they can be a mix of clans.

They're literally dangling a carrot in front of you, just keeping it out of reach but not far enough for you to give up. Blizzard has been doing this since WoW launched. I'm surprised you have caught on yet, honestly.

You still seem to think that my enjoyment of WoW relies solely on having playable High Elves. It doesn't. I've said it many times, I'll continue enjoying the game as long as it's fun to me. I've also said people shouldn't be playing the game waiting for a certain future feature to release and instead play if they enjoy the game as it is now, currently.

But yeah, keep misunderstanding me it's really funny to see, everytime.

[preludeoflight]

its like the Q&A never happened

"he didn't said no herpderp"

I mean, to be fair, he didn't. He gave pretty much the same non-committal line they usually use when a player asks for something that isn't directly in the pipeline, "no current plans" and the sort. Which is the same answer they'd give about Demon Hunters, or a melee hunter spec, or players getting Ashbringer, or any other number of things that might not be a thing at the time.

Sure it's highly unlikely, but if enough people clamor for it for long enough... it wouldn't surprise me to see them try and appease people to make them happy.

[Syegfryed]

I mean, to be fair, he didn't. He gave pretty much the same non-committal line they usually use when a player asks for something that isn't directly in the pipeline, "no current plans" and the sort. Which is the same answer they'd give about Demon Hunters, or a melee hunter spec, or players getting Ashbringer, or any other number of things that might not be a thing at the time.

Sure it's highly unlikely, but if enough people clamor for it for long enough... it wouldn't surprise me to see them try and appease people to make them happy.

he saying "go play horde LUL" its pretty much he saying no

[Mutineer]

He elaborated on why high elves weren't an allied race to begin with, but left space for them to happen further down the line. The big takeaway should be they're not happening anytime soon, but how soon is soon is always in flux.

I'd like to see void elves developed if nothing else, which hopefully isn't too far off to hope for.

[Byleth]

He elaborated on why high elves weren't an allied race to begin with, but left space for them to happen further down the line. The big takeaway should be they're not happening anytime soon, but how soon is soon is always in flux.

You're totally delusional. He said a hard no, but in a nice way so that your feelings weren't hurt.

You're totally ignoring some of the things he said in the statement above too, which adds much more weight to the hard no.

[Aldo Hawk]

Oh great now your argument is that the developers don't know what they are talking about but you are granted some sort of special insight into the workings of the game.

I don't respect that at all as a position.

You are not right. You are not special. You are a fan with an agenda, same as myself, except MY agenda happens to be the one endorsed by the developers with all the evidence and interviews behind it.

They know what they are talking about, don't try that shit on me, it is just that what they said doesn't correlate with what they do, you got it?

This is you who are feeling special here because Ion said what you wanted to hear.

[Darththeo]

Platitude: noun
a remark or statement, especially one with a moral content, that has been used too often to be interesting or thoughtful.

Saying anything can change in the future is a platitude. It is an almost meaningless statement that they can use when they deliver bad news to anyone and it is not so much to give the person receiving the bad news hope as to cover their own asses should, at some point in the future following an unimaginable change in circumstances, decide to do this.

Remove it, and the meaning stays as he avoided definite terms in his quote.

At the moment they don't want to do this for reasons of gameplay, for reasons of lore, for reasons of faction distinctiveness. And just because YOU have decided that faction identity doesn't matter, an odd statement given how we are about to embark on the biggest war between the factions yet seen and the forums are filled with invective between the Alliance and Horde, does not mean that your singular opinion, the opinion of a fan with an agenda, needs to be accommodated.

War doesn't mean there is identity. And there are a lot of people wondering why they are a forcing a war that seems out of place given point in the story. We spent the last expansion working together.

After all, the faction divide is the greatest and almost certainly insuperable obstacle to playable Alliance High Elves. Your agenda demands that the faction wall, the very foundation of the game's world and lore, be denigrated and dimissed as much as possible.

To me, Shaman/Paladin going to the opposing faction, Pandaren and now the Elf swap has already degraded that wall to the point to allow it. What's funny is your side seems to think the only support is Pandaren and dismiss all the other crap that blurred the line.

Thankfully the developers disagree with this. The developers rightly prize the division between the factions and they are doing the utmost to ensure that the Alliance and Horde remain visually and thematically distinct. Where models have crossed that wall, such as the Nightborne and Void Elves, those groups have been been given distinct physical skins and, far more importantly, themes as far from their parents as it possible to go.
Who could ever confuse the urbane and magical Nightborne with the Druidic and arboreal Night Elves? Nobody save those few engaged in reductio ad absurdum, determined to pretend a Nightborne and a Night Elf are as close as a Blood Elf and an Alliance High Elf and thereby justify the later as a playable race.

That's your view, not reality. Void Elves are culturally not hugely different from Blood Elves. Yes, Nightborne ARE significantly different than Night Elves true ... but that doesn't hold true for Void Elf ... it is like saying that Blood Elf Death Knights are a different race to me.

[Gerron]

You're totally delusional. He said a hard no, but in a nice way so that your feelings weren't hurt.

You're totally ignoring some of the things he said in the statement above too, which adds much more weight to the hard no.

I always take any statement made by a Dev with a grain of salt. Over the years they have sad no to many things that exist or existed in WoW. They change their minds or find a way to make something work. That's not to say that High Elves will happen for the Alliance but that something has to change for that to be possible. Now what I find interesting is that people here are pushing toward a more Wild or Wood Elf niche for Alliance aligned High Elves. Night Elves should fill that niche but they kinda don't rather they are more akin to hippy Blood Elves.

[Aldo Hawk]

he saying "go play horde LUL" its pretty much he saying no

He said go play horde if you want to play that kind of elf, nothing more than that.

But right, as always, you don't even care to make sense, you just care to piss people off.

What a pity xd cry me a river

[Mutineer]

You're totally delusional. He said a hard no, but in a nice way so that your feelings weren't hurt.

You're totally ignoring some of the things he said in the statement above too, which adds much more weight to the hard no.

I don't give a damn either way if they choose to add high elves or not, but his response was the same corporate "not now, maybe later" it's always been, and probably always will be. Doesn't mean it can't or won't ever happen, if there's ever a time or place for it. They left the opening, that's all I was saying.

"Go play Horde" is absolutely right, because it's the only option for fair-skinned elves and will be for the foreseeable future. Blood elves lost the things that made them particularly different by the end of TBC, so the high elf fans that claim to refuse them on the grounds of morality are just ignorant of their current situation.

Blood elves are the one and only true legacy of Quel'thalas, but these requests will never go away so long as high elves are so present in Alliance stories. The Silver Covenant was a mistake if they were ever seriously trying to sell the idea that they're too few or irrelevant to become a playable Alliance race.

[Darththeo]

Really dude do not even care about that guy, his points are totally delusional at this point...

Just time will put everything in it's place, nobody believed HE would be added like in the next patch you know? And while they do not plan nothing with HE for B4A, we should ask again in middle expansion when is where things got carried forward and more decisions are made, now we are just discussing about the points and how they would look and all those things, but the final decision is not going to come anytime soon, being it a yes or a no.

Just share your ideas, share some people's artwork, discuss points, and enjoy talking about what you like until you want, the end of this kind of threads is far from getting reached.

Yeah, he seems to think that the Pro-Helfers are hinging on a single word or two when they were pretty definitely "Not at this time" and not "NEVER!"

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