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    Quote Originally Posted by Obelisk Kai View Post
    Oh great now your argument is that the developers don't know what they are talking about but you are granted some sort of special insight into the workings of the game.

    I don't respect that at all as a position.

    You are not right. You are not special. You are a fan with an agenda, same as myself, except MY agenda happens to be the one endorsed by the developers with all the evidence and interviews behind it.
    They know what they are talking about, don't try that shit on me, it is just that what they said doesn't correlate with what they do, you got it?

    This is you who are feeling special here because Ion said what you wanted to hear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Obelisk Kai View Post
    Platitude: noun
    a remark or statement, especially one with a moral content, that has been used too often to be interesting or thoughtful.

    Saying anything can change in the future is a platitude. It is an almost meaningless statement that they can use when they deliver bad news to anyone and it is not so much to give the person receiving the bad news hope as to cover their own asses should, at some point in the future following an unimaginable change in circumstances, decide to do this.
    Remove it, and the meaning stays as he avoided definite terms in his quote.

    At the moment they don't want to do this for reasons of gameplay, for reasons of lore, for reasons of faction distinctiveness. And just because YOU have decided that faction identity doesn't matter, an odd statement given how we are about to embark on the biggest war between the factions yet seen and the forums are filled with invective between the Alliance and Horde, does not mean that your singular opinion, the opinion of a fan with an agenda, needs to be accommodated.
    War doesn't mean there is identity. And there are a lot of people wondering why they are a forcing a war that seems out of place given point in the story. We spent the last expansion working together.

    After all, the faction divide is the greatest and almost certainly insuperable obstacle to playable Alliance High Elves. Your agenda demands that the faction wall, the very foundation of the game's world and lore, be denigrated and dimissed as much as possible.
    To me, Shaman/Paladin going to the opposing faction, Pandaren and now the Elf swap has already degraded that wall to the point to allow it. What's funny is your side seems to think the only support is Pandaren and dismiss all the other crap that blurred the line.

    Thankfully the developers disagree with this. The developers rightly prize the division between the factions and they are doing the utmost to ensure that the Alliance and Horde remain visually and thematically distinct. Where models have crossed that wall, such as the Nightborne and Void Elves, those groups have been been given distinct physical skins and, far more importantly, themes as far from their parents as it possible to go.
    Who could ever confuse the urbane and magical Nightborne with the Druidic and arboreal Night Elves? Nobody save those few engaged in reductio ad absurdum, determined to pretend a Nightborne and a Night Elf are as close as a Blood Elf and an Alliance High Elf and thereby justify the later as a playable race.
    That's your view, not reality. Void Elves are culturally not hugely different from Blood Elves. Yes, Nightborne ARE significantly different than Night Elves true ... but that doesn't hold true for Void Elf ... it is like saying that Blood Elf Death Knights are a different race to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TotalSyn View Post
    You're totally delusional. He said a hard no, but in a nice way so that your feelings weren't hurt.

    You're totally ignoring some of the things he said in the statement above too, which adds much more weight to the hard no.
    I always take any statement made by a Dev with a grain of salt. Over the years they have sad no to many things that exist or existed in WoW. They change their minds or find a way to make something work. That's not to say that High Elves will happen for the Alliance but that something has to change for that to be possible. Now what I find interesting is that people here are pushing toward a more Wild or Wood Elf niche for Alliance aligned High Elves. Night Elves should fill that niche but they kinda don't rather they are more akin to hippy Blood Elves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syegfryed View Post
    he saying "go play horde LUL" its pretty much he saying no
    He said go play horde if you want to play that kind of elf, nothing more than that.

    But right, as always, you don't even care to make sense, you just care to piss people off.

    What a pity xd cry me a river

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    Quote Originally Posted by TotalSyn View Post
    You're totally delusional. He said a hard no, but in a nice way so that your feelings weren't hurt.

    You're totally ignoring some of the things he said in the statement above too, which adds much more weight to the hard no.
    I don't give a damn either way if they choose to add high elves or not, but his response was the same corporate "not now, maybe later" it's always been, and probably always will be. Doesn't mean it can't or won't ever happen, if there's ever a time or place for it. They left the opening, that's all I was saying.

    "Go play Horde" is absolutely right, because it's the only option for fair-skinned elves and will be for the foreseeable future. Blood elves lost the things that made them particularly different by the end of TBC, so the high elf fans that claim to refuse them on the grounds of morality are just ignorant of their current situation.

    Blood elves are the one and only true legacy of Quel'thalas, but these requests will never go away so long as high elves are so present in Alliance stories. The Silver Covenant was a mistake if they were ever seriously trying to sell the idea that they're too few or irrelevant to become a playable Alliance race.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aldo Hawk View Post
    Really dude do not even care about that guy, his points are totally delusional at this point...

    Just time will put everything in it's place, nobody believed HE would be added like in the next patch you know? And while they do not plan nothing with HE for B4A, we should ask again in middle expansion when is where things got carried forward and more decisions are made, now we are just discussing about the points and how they would look and all those things, but the final decision is not going to come anytime soon, being it a yes or a no.

    Just share your ideas, share some people's artwork, discuss points, and enjoy talking about what you like until you want, the end of this kind of threads is far from getting reached.
    Yeah, he seems to think that the Pro-Helfers are hinging on a single word or two when they were pretty definitely "Not at this time" and not "NEVER!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by ercarp View Post
    More art spam coming through.
    If ever there was a thread for High Elf art spam, it's this one Please continue gracing us with your works. Actually wish I could draw like this because I think when it comes to visual subjects that showcasing artwork is the best way to demonstrate the concepts being talked about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerron View Post
    I always take any statement made by a Dev with a grain of salt. Over the years they have sad no to many things that exist or existed in WoW. They change their minds or find a way to make something work. That's not to say that High Elves will happen for the Alliance but that something has to change for that to be possible. Now what I find interesting is that people here are pushing toward a more Wild or Wood Elf niche for Alliance aligned High Elves. Night Elves should fill that niche but they kinda don't rather they are more akin to hippy Blood Elves.
    So its the case of "If he says yes its yes, but if he says no its still yes" ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lost Starling View Post
    They left the opening, that's all I was saying.
    Ion really didn't. He slammed the door shut on the idea and nailed planks with the word 'NO!' scrawled on it to bar it.

    You've mistaken him letting you down gently for hope.

    The Silver Covenant were added for cool factor. Not for people to create head cannon about the amount of high elves out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arrashi View Post
    So its the case of "If he says yes its yes, but if he says no its still yes" ?
    That's how I read it too, lol.

    But I didn't want to argue with that one, he seems too far gone.
    Here is something to believe in!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arrashi View Post
    So its the case of "If he says yes its yes, but if he says no its still yes" ?
    No, I don't expect that they'll ever give the Alliance a copy paste of Blood Elves. That'd be lame. Ion left the door open for other things to be done down the road though which gives them ways they could develop the Alliance aligned High Elves into something different from Blood Elves like they did with Void Elves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aldo Hawk View Post
    He said go play horde if you want to play that kind of elf, nothing more than that.
    "that kind of elf"

    and what high elves are? that kind of elf, if you want another, you have void elf

    you don't even care to make sense
    ironic

    What a pity xd cry me a river
    who is crying about HE? not me 4Head

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerron View Post
    No, I don't expect that they'll ever give the Alliance a copy paste of Blood Elves. That'd be lame. Ion left the door open for other things to be done down the road though which gives them ways they could develop the Alliance aligned High Elves into something different from Blood Elves like they did with Void Elves.
    And by "left the door open" you mean when he said "Go play horde" ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TotalSyn View Post
    Ion really didn't. He slammed the door shut on the idea and nailed planks with the word 'NO!' scrawled on it to bar it.

    You've mistaken him letting you down gently for hope.

    The Silver Covenant were added for cool factor. Not for people to create head cannon about the amount of high elves out there.
    He did no such thing as slammed the door and nail it ... he avoided any definitive language.

    He could have said "I can understand why people want High Elves, however it isn't going to happen." That's letting people down "gently"

    Going they way he did he purposefully didn't rule them out in definitely. We know they planning stages of the next expansion after BfA and for all we know they are going to introduce a "traitor" style expansion where some races betray their current faction and join the other as well.

    Seriously, people saying "He slammed the door shut" seem not to understand what Ion actually said. He said not now and not in what they are currently planning ... he didn't say absolutely never.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arrashi View Post
    And by "left the door open" you mean when he said "Go play horde" ?
    He said more than that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darththeo View Post

    He said more than that.
    "Blood Elves are basically High Elves. Slightly different eye color and backstory, but if you want to be a light skinned elf, that is basically a Blood Elf. Giving that to the Alliance would blur the line between factions.
    There aren't a ton of High Elves out there in WoW.
    If you are Alliance any want to be an elf, the Horde is there for you."

    I dunno, seems pretty definitive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerron View Post
    Ion left the door open for other things to be done down the road though which gives them ways they could develop the Alliance aligned High Elves into something different from Blood Elves like they did with Void Elves.
    See my previous post, Ion really did not do this, he was just letting you down gently.

    Again, being let down gently has been mistaken for hope.
    Here is something to believe in!

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlubberPuddy View Post
    You still seem to think that my enjoyment of WoW relies solely on having playable High Elves. It doesn't. I've said it many times, I'll continue enjoying the game as long as it's fun to me. I've also said people shouldn't be playing the game waiting for a certain future feature to release and instead play if they enjoy the game as it is now, currently.

    But yeah, keep misunderstanding me it's really funny to see, everytime.
    That has nothing to do with what I said. Your enjoyment of the game is of little consequence, and it's also not an opinion every HE fan shares.

    You're being led on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arrashi View Post
    "Blood Elves are basically High Elves. Slightly different eye color and backstory, but if you want to be a light skinned elf, that is basically a Blood Elf. Giving that to the Alliance would blur the line between factions.
    There aren't a ton of High Elves out there in WoW.
    If you are Alliance any want to be an elf, the Horde is there for you."

    I dunno, seems pretty definitive.
    Yeah it sounds definitive if you leave out his ending:
    Anything is possible in the future, but no plans in the near-term to add High Elves as an Allied Race.
    I mean the main point from all that was to show High Elves aren't happening anytime soon, they just came out with an interview explaining they already have the near ARs planned
    We have it all planned out. It's certainly possible come year-end that we might make some changes based on what we've learned and what we've seen, but we definitely have a plan.
    https://www.pcgamesn.com/world-of-wa...-azeroth-races

    They're not immediately waiting for "oh let's see which races the players pick next for us to make!" They know their plans for BFA and which races for probably the entire expansion.

    No way another type of elf was going to come out after just giving both factions additional elves.

    But truly it's beyond logic to say his statement was a definitive "no forever."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arrashi View Post
    "Blood Elves are basically High Elves. Slightly different eye color and backstory, but if you want to be a light skinned elf, that is basically a Blood Elf. Giving that to the Alliance would blur the line between factions.
    There aren't a ton of High Elves out there in WoW.
    If you are Alliance any want to be an elf, the Horde is there for you."

    I dunno, seems pretty definitive.
    Indeed, the point being that any race they'd add would have to be different from Blood Elves. They aren't just going to give Alliance Blood Elves with blue eyes. All I'm saying is that based on that criteria they left themselves room to develop Alliance aligned High Elves into something different from Blood Elves. That doesn't mean that they will. For all we know they'll put all the remaining Alliance High Elves on a boat and burn it in a patch or two.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arrashi View Post
    "Blood Elves are basically High Elves. Slightly different eye color and backstory, but if you want to be a light skinned elf, that is basically a Blood Elf. Giving that to the Alliance would blur the line between factions.
    There aren't a ton of High Elves out there in WoW.
    If you are Alliance any want to be an elf, the Horde is there for you."

    I dunno, seems pretty definitive.
    If you ignore the full quote and other statements sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TotalSyn View Post
    See my previous post, Ion really did not do this, he was just letting you down gently.

    Again, being let down gently has been mistaken for hope.
    I don't think you know how you let someone down gently ... Hint: It's giving a definite no without room for interpretation. Ion didn't do that.
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