Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[Obelisk Kai]

We don't see eye to eye on Alliance high elves, but I think it's great that he's dedicated and creative despite so many telling him, and probably being right that they won't/shouldn't happen, despite all that he's still churning out and spitballing ideas and concepts.

He's very creative and passionate, and I'd applaud that any time whether it's a class idea, race etc

That I can acknowledge, but that just means this topic is a waste.

It's a shame he can't invest that creativity into a race that actually stands a chance of being added, like Vulpera or Arrakoa.

[Deleted]

That I can acknowledge, but that just means this topic is a waste.

It's a shame he can't invest that creativity into a race that actually stands a chance of being added, like Vulpera or Arrakoa.

I wouldn't necessarily call it a waste, I'd say it's more of a creative outlet and a way to lament what could have been, people are free to steer clear if they have grown tired of these kinds of threads, at most it takes up a spot in the ''Recent forum post'' section of the front page, so I don't see how people are getting this frustrated about some people really wanting something

In terms of funneling his creativity into theorycrafting for another race sure, he could, but you of all people know how passionate and persistent if not downright stubborn Alliance High Elf lobbyists can be haha

[Magister of Quelthalas]

I remember reading in somewhere that High Elves find tatoos and stuff like that unethical and the fact that Blood Elves started tatoo themselves was something unseen of.
This is easily retconnable ofc. Also Alleria has tatoos if iirc.

[Deleted]

I remember reading in somewhere that High Elves find tatoos and stuff like that unethical and the fact that Blood Elves started tatoo themselves was something unseen of.
This is easily retconnable ofc. Also Alleria has tatoos if iirc.

They could call it warpaint, that could work

[Magister of Quelthalas]

Also If you ask me I would prefer Wildhammers or even (This is my crazy dream) Man'ari (Eredar)! I beleive adding the High Elves would kinda hurt the lore at this point. Because Silvermoon is Blood Elven! (who are High Elven Race the difference is cultural mind you) So they should make them change as a race other than that they are just boring and nearly extinct. But you know how Blizzard is they can do anything they want! So who knows what the future holds.

[Andromedes]

Also If you ask me I would prefer Wildhammers or even Man'ari (Eredar)! I beleive adding the High Elves would kinda hurt the lore at this point.

Sorry, can't take you seriously.

[Traycor]

Applaud him?

His vision of the Alliance High Elves is a race of Mary Sues.

I'm genuinely perplexed by this statement. The race wouldn't be any more "powerful" than any other race. Giving them a dragon theme is just an idea, it doesn't make them gods or anything. I mean, the Void Elves master the void even though it has corrupted supremely powerful beings, and that doesn't make them Mary Sue. The Zandalari can turn into dinosaurs, and it's not a Mary Sue. It's just a fun idea to consider.

If the problem is that they are "boring" then considering new and different ideas is the only way to go. It just needs to be something that doesn't mutate the High Elves into something else, such as what was done with Void Elves. As I said, the same was done with the Dragonmaw orcs.

[Magister of Quelthalas]

Most of it was personal opinions and crazy dreams anyways. There is no serious opinion there. Also I want Fel Orcs and Felblood Elves to be playable, too. I have this weird wish to play evil races I guess. Also yes I know Felblood Elves more than likely extinct at this point.

[RangerDaz]

Ok, let me this debate more interesting

Guess what a Blue just posted in the foruns:

https://eu.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/17618064288


Despite the animosity witnessed in the Azuremyst Isles, there have been many successful collaborations between Draenei and Elf in Warcraft.

The Shattered Sun Offensive in Quel'Danas for example has been one of the most successful. Another example can be seen in the Hinterlands, where the Draenei came to the defense of the local Quel'dorei.

While Void Elves were previously Blood Elves, remember most Sin'dorei alive today were also High Elves


Is that any clue for the future ... (of allied races)?

/discuss

/prepares popcorn

[elbleuet]

That I can acknowledge, but that just means this topic is a waste.

It's a shame he can't invest that creativity into a race that actually stands a chance of being added, like Vulpera or Arrakoa.

When I first said we were getting void high elves, I was told that it was bullshit and that it would never happen because they would share the same model than blood elves.

And we got void elves.

I wouldn't surprised if we got extended customization options to let us play a proper high elf, like orcs got straight back orcs.

[Obelisk Kai]

Ok, let me this debate more interesting

Guess what a Blue just posted in the foruns:

https://eu.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/17618064288


Despite the animosity witnessed in the Azuremyst Isles, there have been many successful collaborations between Draenei and Elf in Warcraft.

The Shattered Sun Offensive in Quel'Danas for example has been one of the most successful. Another example can be seen in the Hinterlands, where the Draenei came to the defense of the local Quel'dorei.

While Void Elves were previously Blood Elves, remember most Sin'dorei alive today were also High Elves


Is that any clue for the future ... (of allied races)?

/discuss

/prepares popcorn

Not really no.

Ion says High Elves are Blood Elves, a forum moderator says Blood Elves were High Elves.

Neither is contradictory given the context as this blue is talking about co-operation between Elves and Draenei.

While a Blood Elf is culturally and aesthetically and biologically identical to a High Elf, politically they are not and this is the one area where there is difference.

In other words, High Elves were politically aligned with the Alliance, and the Blood Elves aren't.

Blood Elves are no longer aligned with the Alliance, and the term High Elf is representative of a political distinction only. The forum poster used the term High Elf correctly in other words.

So nothing to see here.

[Stormmantis]

Your armour concept is one of the best looking i've seen for a long time

[Traycor]

So....which is it. The model or the identity. If you had just one.....which would you choose?

I still think the evidence points at the skeleton not being the issue. All allied races so far have reused skeletons, so based on the facts, it seems like a moot point.

However, it's obvious you think I'm avoiding the question, so I'll answer as best I can. For me, if a new model was built off the Blood Elf skeleton, that would work. I personally would not be satisfied with a model built off other skeletons because Blood Elves and High Elves are biologically the same race except for the fel corruption. High Elves are supposed to be pure, which is the point. They shouldn't be mutated into something else.

That being said, I think the wider gaming audience would accept a model built off the human or night elf skeleton. It could work if done right. The night elf skeleton would need to be shrunk shorter (the Zandalari off the Night Elf skeleton were scaled up). As a side note, with Night Fallen and Zandalari, the Horde will have more races with the night elf skeleton than the Alliance, so I still think this is a non issue. If a model was built off the human skeleton, it would need to be slimmed down to look like a high elf, and I think people would be accepting of that.

Hope that answers your question.

[Teerack]

God i want this so bad.

I really don't get why people are so anti high elf.

They have been part of the alliance since the RTS and in the damn game since vanilla wow...

The entire point of the allied races is to let us play as new races that aren't actually all new races. Kul'tirans are just humans, orcs are just orcs, trolls are just trolls, dwarfs are just dwarfs, tauren are just tauren, and draenei are just draenei. Anyone who is really arguing that high elves are just blood elfs is a special kind of stupid who doesn't seem to understand the entire point of allied races and seem to be be embarrassingly slow in terms of creativity in terms of how to make them look different. Different hairs and some tattoos/face paint, and voice lines is literally all you need to set them apart.

Hell even if i don't want to humor you and argue that High Elves and Blood Elves are just the same, the existence of Pandern on both factions just completely dissolves the entire point anyway lol.

I have and leveled a light forge and void elf and you know what i learned while i lvled through dungeons and saw all of the other light forged? You could almost never tell if they were normal or light forged before you clicked on them.... in fact get ready for some MIND BLOWING stuff here. When you are wearing your gear... you can no longer see all of the ruins on their body... so unless they have a helmet that doesn't hide the seal on their head, then light forge look 100% identical to normal draenei most of the time as it is.

I know its the internet and standards are low, but come on... its just stupid trying to pretend like High Elves can't work as a race when the trust is you just aren't interested in them. Your own opinions don't define reality and its super, pathetic, and transparent when you try to push things based on your own close mindedness....

[Traycor]

Guess what a Blue just posted in the foruns:

https://eu.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/17618064288


Despite the animosity witnessed in the Azuremyst Isles, there have been many successful collaborations between Draenei and Elf in Warcraft.

The Shattered Sun Offensive in Quel'Danas for example has been one of the most successful. Another example can be seen in the Hinterlands, where the Draenei came to the defense of the local Quel'dorei.

While Void Elves were previously Blood Elves, remember most Sin'dorei alive today were also High Elves

"were" = past tense.

BOOM!

[Teerack]

Maybe for their racial capital/hub they could update the Quel'Danil Lodge and give it a wall and some more buildings and some high elf towers in it and just rename it to Quel'Danil. I mean they are completely changing everything about Stromgarde so i don't see why they couldn't do the same to Quel'Danil and turn it into more of a real city.


Just considering some old cut content/lore

There used to be the idea of "northeron" where it was a that area above the plague lands just below where the dragon isles used to be, and it was meant to be full of High Elves and Wildhammer mostly but they had to cut it from cata and renamed the top of twilight highlands northeron and say it was all destroyed. So continuing with that idea of the high elves and wild hammer being close to each other the Hinterlands makes perfect sense for their capital.

[Obelisk Kai]

"were" = past tense.

BOOM!

Firstly, a forum moderator does not overrule Ion Hazzikostas.

Secondly, his use of 'were' is correct in the political sense he was using it in. Blood Elves used to call themselves High Elves, now they do not. Blood Elves are culturally, aesthetically and thematically identical to High Elves.

You yourself admit this because you aren't trying to move the Blood Elves away from the High Elves who remain, you are trying to move the remnant away from the Blood/High Elves.

This is a mite desperate Traycor.

And my traditional question.

Why would they create Void Elves if they ever had any intention of making High Elves playable for the Alliance?

[Arrashi]

Applaud him?

His vision of the Alliance High Elves is a race of Mary Sues.

Is there any other vision of high elves than mary sues ?

[Obelisk Kai]

When I first said we were getting void high elves, I was told that it was bullshit and that it would never happen because they would share the same model than blood elves.

And we got void elves.

I wouldn't surprised if we got extended customization options to let us play a proper high elf, like orcs got straight back orcs.

If they had wanted to give the Alliance a High Elf, they would have without changing the skin colour. The skin colour change is half the point.

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I'm genuinely perplexed by this statement. The race wouldn't be any more "powerful" than any other race. Giving them a dragon theme is just an idea, it doesn't make them gods or anything. I mean, the Void Elves master the void even though it has corrupted supremely powerful beings, and that doesn't make them Mary Sue. The Zandalari can turn into dinosaurs, and it's not a Mary Sue. It's just a fun idea to consider.

If the problem is that they are "boring" then considering new and different ideas is the only way to go. It just needs to be something that doesn't mutate the High Elves into something else, such as what was done with Void Elves. As I said, the same was done with the Dragonmaw orcs.

You are giving them Draconic Druidic forms and the reasoning behind this is that the blue Dragonflight would be so bowled over by how awesome they are, they would be able to give the High Elves druidic powers.

Which would probably surprise the Green Dragonflight, custodians of the Emerald Dream and the most Druidic aligned of the Dragonflights, no end.

Not to mention their shamanism. Or the time travelling to save the High Elves from the Scourge.

I stand by what I said. In order to justify playable High Elves you have to make them extraordinary, Mary Sues the lot of them.

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Is there any other vision of high elves than mary sues ?

Yeah but now we've crossed into the absurd. I mean time travelling to the Scourge invasion to save Elves.

Wonderful idea to solve the problem with there being too few High Elves. Except for the following.

1.) Actually time travelling.

2.) Fighting any Bronze Dragons who might be upset at this time travelling nonsense.

3.) Ensuring the Alliance intervention doesn't cause Silvermoon to actually survive and fuck up the timeline.

4.) In the chaos, ensuring the High Elves you save and which are sent to the future are going to be so grateful that they come fight for the Alliance and do NOT, for some weird reason Alliance pro High Elfers might find hard to imagine, immediately return to Silvermoon and become a Blood Elf because they the vast majority of Elves did just that, and these guys were fighting for their people only five minutes ago from their perspective. They don't NEED to find out what happened to their families and city, they get a unicorn!

OR

4.) In the chaos, ensuring the High Elves you save and which will escape will all be those inclined to remain High Elves and not become Blood Elves. After all, if you just saved random Elves there is a nine out of ten chance you are saving a future Blood Elf and strengthening a future Horde nation.

[Traycor]

This is a mite desperate Traycor.

It's all in good fun, man. Don't take it too seriously.

So, it looks like the Blue Dragon alliance stuff didn't catch traction. Still, I wanted to round out the idea with the "dragon crest" hairstyles I mentioned. These might be too crazy or extreme, but it at least demonstrates the point that different hair themes can make a big change. I especially like the third one.



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Yeah but now we've crossed into the absurd.

You do realize that "brainstorming" means collecting a bunch of different ideas to see what could potentially work? No one is suggesting using ALL of these ideas together. That absolutely would be absurd. Surely you don't think I'm suggesting druidic dragon time-traveling shamans with new models and old models and 20 racial abilities and all the things.