Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[FlubberPuddy]

Hmm so not only did they changed out the High Elves for Humans it looks like they took out the Wildhammer dwarves as well? Since both WH dwarves and HE were said to be a part of the spellweavers.

More proof that WH dwarves and HE are in the same boat lol

[Obelisk Kai]

Looks a lot better. Thanks for checking that out.

It does at that. When I do this warfront on my Blood Elf Mage, I want to kill recognizable Alliance races and not be distracted wondering if that's another Horde player/NPC coming towards me or if it's an Alliance High Elf. The removal of the High Elves from the Warfront, which is logical given that they are not a major Alliance race, will aid in ensuring that each Warfront feels unique. High Elves look identical to Blood Elves and would take away from the tone of experience somewhat.

It will be a better experience now for the Horde, it's thematically appropriate for the Alliance and it is consistent with the lore of the game.

In regards to NPCs in the same location I am taking a guess here, the following is speculation.

Apparently Arcanist Ilira was accompanied by High Elven spellweavers at her location.

I have found

http://bfa.wowhead.com/npc=142001/circle-apprentice

and

http://bfa.wowhead.com/npc=136793/circle-apprentice

and

http://bfa.wowhead.com/npc=142002/circle-spellweaver

If these used to be High Elves, they are all Human females now. Whilst I am happy they have removed High Elves as that has led to the mistaken impression that High Elves are an actual force within the Alliance, it just strikes me as unbelievably bland. They could have varied it up a little, maybe some Dwarves or Gnomes instead.

I mean, I think THESE are the Horde equivalents.

http://bfa.wowhead.com/npc=136940/circle-elementalist

and

http://bfa.wowhead.com/npc=138878/circle-sorcerer


Orcs and Blood Elves.

A little bit more variety in other words.

[FlubberPuddy]

It does at that. When I do this warfront on my Blood Elf Mage, I want to kill recognizable Alliance races and not be distracted wondering if that's another Horde player/NPC coming towards me or if it's an Alliance High Elf.

It will be a better experience now for the Horde, it's thematically appropriate for the Alliance and it is consistent with the lore of the game.

Cool just checked the new model for Arcanist Illira! Not only did they change her eyes to green, but also gave her much more golden blonde hair, redder skin, and changed her whole outfit from black and blue to red/purple HUGE difference to make her a Blood Elf instead of just changing her eyes (what Obelisk's earlier comment leads one to believe)

Good to know they had to make so many more changes and not just "green eyes it's a blood elf now" ^__^ Obelisk is right, wayyyy easier to tell it's a blood elf now!

Our High Elven and Wildhammer friends will have to wait till later.

[Nexsa]

@ Obelisk Kai

Lots of solid points. They are not liking it. Also not liking I'm here too. Mentioning us in their discord and making fun of how they are "Mocking" someone about nameplates. They take pleasure in teaming up and "Mocking" people. :\

Anyway, here is my daily #Notohighelves #FortheHorde

[FlubberPuddy]

Yep, that is the basic premise of their little safe haven and echo chamber.

LOL and yeah no mocking is done here by anti-helfers at all ever right? Both of you need to get over yourselves there's similar things happening on both sides. Grow a pair or don't expose yourself to it.

But victimizing oneself just looks really silly and pathetic.

[Jeldoba]

That is why everyone must make a collective effort to keep it civil between each other, even if we all can't find a way to agree about this subject.
As long as high elf fans and anti high elf people talk civil to each other, everything will be fine.
This is just a game, and we are all passionate for it, or else we wouldn't be here.

Let's respect each other and let everyone express their own opinion, because that is what foruns where free speech is allowed do.
PS: Nothing againt anything you said. Just continuing the issue about respect between both sides.

whoa... i read that in Taliesin's voice...

Insert obligitory "it was a shit show, obviously."

[Obelisk Kai]

@ Obelisk Kai

Lots of solid points. They are not liking it. Also not liking I'm here too. Mentioning us in their discord and making fun of how they are "Mocking" someone about nameplates. They take pleasure in teaming up and "Mocking" people. :\

Anyway, here is my daily #Notohighelves #FortheHorde

Yep, that is the basic premise of their little safe haven and echo chamber.

Their discord is, as yzak said, their own little safe space where they can dream about playable High Elves without having to confront the harsh reality it isn't happening. Sometimes they venture out with their 'arguments' (ok their argument, that if they complain long enough and loudly enough Blizzard will cave. It's not as if they have anything going for them in terms of gameplay or lore) to confront us on these forums, before giving up because none of us want to indulge the nonsense that is accepted as fact on their discord.

Then they retreat to that discord, to console each other, to reassure each other that the other side is talking rubbish and that it WILL happen.

I have been provided a screenshot of part of their current conversation. Auric's Angel is apparently driving their current little moanfest from what I have seen. Given the use of emojis, the timing and just the general phrasing, I believe Auric's Angel is probably Flubberpuddy.

P.S. What do you mean mocking someone about nameplates?

[protip]

It does at that. When I do this warfront on my Blood Elf Mage, I want to kill recognizable Alliance races and not be distracted wondering if that's another Horde player/NPC coming towards me or if it's an Alliance High Elf. The removal of the High Elves from the Warfront, which is logical given that they are not a major Alliance race, will aid in ensuring that each Warfront feels unique. High Elves look identical to Blood Elves and would take away from the tone of experience somewhat.

It will be a better experience now for the Horde, it's thematically appropriate for the Alliance and it is consistent with the lore of the game.

In regards to NPCs in the same location I am taking a guess here, the following is speculation.

Apparently Arcanist Ilira was accompanied by High Elven spellweavers at her location.

I have found

http://bfa.wowhead.com/npc=142001/circle-apprentice

and

http://bfa.wowhead.com/npc=136793/circle-apprentice

and

http://bfa.wowhead.com/npc=142002/circle-spellweaver

If these used to be High Elves, they are all Human females now. Whilst I am happy they have removed High Elves as that has led to the mistaken impression that High Elves are an actual force within the Alliance, it just strikes me as unbelievably bland. They could have varied it up a little, maybe some Dwarves or Gnomes instead.

I mean, I think THESE are the Horde equivalents.

http://bfa.wowhead.com/npc=136940/circle-elementalist

and

http://bfa.wowhead.com/npc=138878/circle-sorcerer


Orcs and Blood Elves.

A little bit more variety in other words.

Hopefully all of the human females are just a first pass. The Alliance warfronts aren't fully implemented yet, so I think chances are good that they'll be changed. It would be nice to see all of the playable races get their place, if not in the Arathi Highlands warfront, then in one of those that follow.

Hmm so not only did they changed out the High Elves for Humans it looks like they took out the Wildhammer dwarves as well? Since both WH dwarves and HE were said to be a part of the spellweavers.

More proof that WH dwarves and HE are in the same boat lol

I think it says more about warfronts than it does about allied races. It makes sense for them to represent the Alliance versus Horde conflict using playable races because they're more relatable and more representative of their respective factions. I'd expect to see the factions that we recruit in the story of BfA to show up in some of the later warfronts, but High Elves and Wildhammer dwarves aren't relevant in the same way.

[Ithekro]

Though High Elf and Wildhamer forces would be rather close by given how close Stromgarde is to the Hinterlands.

As for the Discord talk, it sounds like stalking to me. Its getting creepy with several of you stalking people to post on other forums. Very creepy.

[Nexsa]

Though High Elf and Wildhamer forces would be rather close by given how close Stromgarde is to the Hinterlands.

As for the Discord talk, it sounds like stalking to me. Its getting creepy with several of you stalking people to post on other forums. Very creepy.

I just recently joined it to confirm if what has been said to me is true. Also, the link is provided freely. It's not like I went through any sneaky means to obtain it.

[FlubberPuddy]

And where did I say it doesn't happen here? If it's mocking it's rude, report it and the mods will determine that.



Pot meet kettle.

I'm sorry, but it seems to me one side likes to air their discussion/s. And the other slinks away to a private channel to talk about people in a manner that would most likely result in them getting banned. Yet we're being told to grow a pair. A bit on the nose don't you think?



Oh please. So are you trying to say that said actions don't actually happen there? Because if it is happening there then it's not victimization, as it's actually happening. Now whether anyone takes offense to what is happening there is on them, but personally do I? No I just find it amusing.

how can you say pot meet kettle if I've never victimized myself? Do you understand how that phrase works?

Oh it's very easy to see when the mocking happens and the mods are pretty lenient to not ban, but even so they have gone and told those like Zorish to stop posting screenshots of others conversations on the discord. Probably told Gentlepenguin to not do it anymore either hence him not coming around as much and providing screenshots anymore also.

Mods already gave their warning in this thread and the mocking definitely greatly reduced.

And I've been on the HE discord a few times and some of the higher ranking members also have told their members to stop being so salty so it's not like everyone is just raging constantly no matter what you'd like to believe or others would like to portray.

The main point of my previous post was: Get over yourselves and stop victimizing, there's shitters on both sides of the debate. If you're going to be sensitive about it then it's better to not expose yourself to discussions where you can be critiqued.

[protip]

Though High Elf and Wildhamer forces would be rather close by given how close Stromgarde is to the Hinterlands.

As for the Discord talk, it sounds like stalking to me. Its getting creepy with several of you stalking people to post on other forums. Very creepy.

I mean, if someone is being talked about in a public forum, it's not weird for them to be interested in what is being said. It's also just another place where this topic is being discussed, it shouldn't be surprising that people are curious.

[FlubberPuddy]

I think it says more about warfronts than it does about allied races. It makes sense for them to represent the Alliance versus Horde conflict using playable races because they're more relatable and more representative of their respective factions. I'd expect to see the factions that we recruit in the story of BfA to show up in some of the later warfronts, but High Elves and Wildhammer dwarves aren't relevant in the same way.

Definitely I agree it makes sense that playable races take a bigger part in the Warfronts. What I meant to show was that it wasn't singled out just to High Elves, but Wildhammer as well. As some were implying that only High Elves were replaced.

As for relevancy it could've been taken that the Warfronts (being a call back to Warcraft RTS games) meant to show the "old Alliance allies" when they were first placed there. But yeah it seems, as you said they'd rather showcase the more playable races. I would agree on that idea anyway as well because it looked extremely silly to them to feature 2 alliance races that they've stated either no plans for or are on the back-burner.

[Jeldoba]

the entire issue honestly boils down to "Where do you draw the faction line?" (In terms of racial uniqueness) Which is clearly something divisive (and subjective!) not just on these forums, but at Blizzard, given the mixed responses we've received in their communications. The fact is that their current philosophy for races is against High Elves, that isn't a 'never', though. Being loud and being vocal, and continuing to discuss it is healthy as long as there is interest in discussing it. It will let peoples' opinions be known and show interest.

Maybe a producer will take notice, maybe they'll bring it up at future meetings. Disagreeing with Blizzard is not wrong, it makes you opinionated. Politely disagreeing, and proposing change is fine, being a noisy ape is nasty. There are noisy, toxic apes on both sides.

Only issue i have with your line of thinking, is the concept that just because Blizzard hasn't acknowledged the discussion to a satisfying degree its somehow proof they didn't even bother. It's not that blizzard hasn't "done their homework", they are all too aware of the debate. Ion's response is constant. As is the companies. Its no. While unprofessional it was quite clear, and has been for quite some time. The company flat out doesn't agree with any of this "pro HE" madness. Most of the points made are cyclic in their nature. The discussion just rotates on itself going from talking point to talking point. Fueling it's own fervor. There is no agency. This is fallacious thinking. Splitting hairs to prove why it could be "maybe", is getting ridiculous. Hence the ridicule.

Yes the company has changed it's mind on things it said "would never happen" This isn't object proof HE's are in the same ball park. All the comparison to why VE's make HE's possible doesn't change the fact that VE's WHERE the compromise. Liked or not, its done. That ship has sailed.

This has become akin to rabid fanfic authors pressuring their favorite author to write in their fanfic as cannon.

In the end it's Blizzard's world. we just rent the space. Don't like what they are doing? Don't rent the space. Yes players CAN affect change with enough debate, but what happens on these forums and the official isn't a debate. Its just red vs blue.

[FlubberPuddy]

I mean, if someone is being talked about in a public forum, it's not weird for them to be interested in what is being said. It's also just another place where this topic is being discussed, it shouldn't be surprising that people are curious.

The weirdness is that they bring that discussion over here to garner pity. That in itself is unneeded. As some of you (not sure if you personally but generally) have stated that if you can't handle criticism then don't post.

So what people like Nexsa do, is bring that discord convo over here to get pity, which is nonsensical in itself and is the same thing as "being in an echo chamber" because she knows there's more anti-supporters here and practically none of those dissenters will out themselves in the discord.

[Ithekro]

Eh?

Considering I don't even know exactly what a Discord is (I've only started hearing the term used by some Youtuber recently (as in "If you want to follow the conversation, just go to our discord channel", which means absolutely nothing to me...YouTube comments are good enough for me), and then here suddenly. I don't know if its a chat group another forum type or something else that's new.

[FlubberPuddy]

Only issue i have with your line of thinking, is the concept that just because Blizzard hasn't acknowledged the discussion to a satisfying degree its somehow proof they didn't even bother. It's not that blizzard hasn't "done their homework", they are all too aware of the debate. Ion's response is constant. As is the companies. Its no. While unprofessional it was quite clear, and has been for quite some time. The company flat out doesn't agree with any of this "pro HE" madness. Most of the points made are cyclic in their nature. The discussion just rotates on itself going from talking point to talking point. Fueling it's own fervor. There is no agency. This is fallacious thinking. Splitting hairs to prove why it could be "maybe", is getting ridiculous. Hence the ridicule.

Yes the company has changed it's mind on things it said "would never happen" This isn't object proof HE's are in the same ball park. All the comparison to why VE's make HE's possible doesn't change the fact that VE's WHERE the compromise. Liked or not, its done. That ship has sailed.

This has become akin to rabid fanfic authors pressuring their favorite author to write in their fanfic as cannon.

In the end it's Blizzard's world. we just rent the space. Don't like what they are doing? Don't rent the space. Yes players CAN affect change with enough debate, but what happens on these forums and the official isn't a debate. Its just red vs blue.

Except the wrong thinking with this is that there's also an equal amount of no proof that he did in fact look at the feedback. It's a moot point, no one can be sure on either side until Blizzard themselves make note of it being looked at so people can only speculate, it's what both sides are doing.

And while it's true that a lot of never happening things doesn't automatically apply to HEs, it's also wrong to say that VEs were the compromise. Ion in reaffirming his position, said again that VEs were meant to give something like a Blood Elf and then states again that there's no plans to add HEs. He doesn't say "these VEs are your HEs" in fact he says that if you want to play that kind of elf then the Horde is there for you. All those things re-affirm that VEs aren't the compromise as they still see just the Blood Elves has holding that theme.

But again, the whole "majestic" stuff isn't even what's been brainstormed here and elsewhere when discussing how High Elves could be implemented, which is why it's truly up in the air whether they did or didn't see the feedback.

And yes in the end it's up to Blizzard what they want to do and don't want to do, no one's denying that either. But that doesn't mean people can't continue making their wishes known.

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Eh?

Considering I don't even know exactly what a Discord is (I've only started hearing the term used by some Youtuber recently (as in "If you want to follow the conversation, just go to our discord channel", which means absolutely nothing to me...YouTube comments are good enough for me), and then here suddenly. I don't know if its a chat group another forum type or something else that's new.

Basically it's like a teamspeak/ventrilo except you can also text chat in it and share videos/post videos/images/memes etc etc. Very simple to join because all you need is to share a link so technically they're all public as long as someone gets the log-in link.

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I have been provided a screenshot of part of their current conversation. Auric's Angel is apparently driving their current little moanfest from what I have seen. Given the use of emojis, the timing and just the general phrasing, I believe Auric's Angel is probably Flubberpuddy.

And we are called delusional. Clearly I am in the discord with my name as FlubberPuddy separate from "Auric's Angel" unless you mean to say I am chatting on two separate accounts?

Sorry, unlike the High Elf Discord stalkers I don't hide behind anything.

[Lebanese Dude]

Then they retreat to that discord, to console each other, to reassure each other that the other side is talking rubbish and that it WILL happen.

I have been provided a screenshot of part of their current conversation. Auric's Angel is apparently driving their current little moanfest from what I have seen. Given the use of emojis, the timing and just the general phrasing, I believe Auric's Angel is probably Flubberpuddy.

P.S. What do you mean mocking someone about nameplates?

Hey hunty. It's me Auric's Angel. How you doing today sweetheart. You feeling OK?

I assure you nobody is retreating. It's just pointless to argue with the same person who is so vehemently against the subject that he's willing to spend months arguing on one social media platform about it in some self-proclaimed crusade in a matter that he literally has no control or impact over.

I mean do you really think you're worth the time? I'm one of the top posters on the US Forums on the High Elf subject and even my number of posts (~600) dwarf the number you have spent talking about. In all that time, with all your salt, all you've managed to accomplish was to argue in circles.

I mean I know someone with clear sociopathic issues such as yourself wouldn't understand the concept of empathy but yes it's also a place for people to vent about things. You ever been in a guild? It's basically like that.

But man. Feel free to continue ranting about High Elves, and those informants placed in our discord are more than welcome to screenshot what we talk about like the rats that they are. Ultimately we have nothing to hide, and we will mock you relentlessly for this pathetic shitshow because that's what people do when they see something sad. I'm actually feeling sorry for you though. Check my discord earlier today.

I'm genuinely concerned that when they do ultimately release High Elves at some point, that you would have wasted so much of your time arguing against something that you had no control over.... and if they don't release High Elves, you would have just been talking nonstop about something that was never ever going to happen to begin with.

Either way, people such as myself who are tired of your shit have actually joined together in a discord and formed like... I dunno...a community... ya know...that feature that Blizzard is also implementing in BFA?

Yes we talk about High Elves, but we also talk about lore, the game's direction, the setting, the story, our hopes and aspirations for the game. We see people post art and concepts. We laugh and have a good time, sometimes at the expense of others such as yourself because it's just so easy.

We're friends now. It's like a guild outside of a guild. What have you got to show for all of this? I would hope it's not just entertainment derived from argumentation. Cause that would be just sad. How about you join a debate club and put those skills to good use.

Best of luck honey.

xoxo

[Obelisk Kai]

Hey hunty. It's me Auric's Angel. How you doing today sweetheart. You feeling OK?

I assure you nobody is retreating. It's just pointless to argue with the same person who is so vehemently against the subject that he's willing to spend months arguing on one social media platform about it in some self-proclaimed crusade in a matter that he literally has no control or impact over.

I mean do you really think you're worth the time? I'm one of the top posters on the US Forums on the High Elf subject and even my number of posts (~600) dwarf the number you have spent talking about. In all that time, with all your salt, all you've managed to accomplish was to argue in circles.

I mean I know someone with clear sociopathic issues such as yourself wouldn't understand the concept of empathy but yes it's also a place for people to vent about things. You ever been in a guild? It's basically like that.

But man. Feel free to continue ranting about High Elves, and those informants placed in our discord are more than welcome to screenshot what we talk about like the rats that they are. Ultimately we have nothing to hide, and we will mock you relentlessly for this pathetic shitshow because that's what people do when they see something sad. I'm actually feeling sorry for you though. Check my discord earlier today.

I'm genuinely concerned that when they do ultimately release High Elves at some point, that you would have wasted so much of your time arguing against something that you had no control over.... and if they don't release High Elves, you would have just been talking nonstop about something that was never ever going to happen to begin with.

Either way, people such as myself who are tired of your shit have actually joined together in a discord and formed like... I dunno...a community... ya know...that feature that Blizzard is also implementing in BFA?

Yes we talk about High Elves, but we also talk about lore, the game's direction, the setting, the story, our hopes and aspirations for the game. We see people post art and concepts. We laugh and have a good time, sometimes at the expense of others such as yourself because it's just so easy.

We're friends now. It's like a guild outside of a guild. What have you got to show for all of this? I would hope it's not just entertainment derived from argumentation. Cause that would be just sad. How about you join a debate club and put those skills to good use.

Best of luck honey.

xoxo

Hmm. Seems I was wrong about it being Flubberpuddy.

While your concern for me is touching, absolutely touching, I think you'd be better served helping Pontifice aka Rodrigo dos Santos Ferreira, the founder of your little safe space.

To quote his petition (currently at a staggering 524 signees...the passion is truly strong here)

"I’ve dedicated my time and effort to keep the voice of this community active and clear....There were times in which I skipped classrooms, avoided to sleep or ignored studies so that I could have some article ready to send to our reviewer, or because I had some problem to solve in our discord."

Maybe rather than showing your concern for me, perhaps you should prevail upon Pontifice not to throw his life away on this joke of a cause.

Just a friendly suggestion.

[PomPomPop]

Is this thread just going to be about what one group in their secluded corner is saying about a different group which is doing the exact same thing, or are people going to actually discuss some High Elf stuff here, like the OP tried to do in a rather creative way? If not, this thread has become incredibly pointless and nothing but a cesspit of mud slinging, gossiping and ego stroking.