Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[FlubberPuddy]

Come on... This is close enough. Right, guys?

I want my High Elf Alliance Paladins so sorry but nope

Character looks great though!

[Friendlyimmolation]

I want my High Elf Alliance Paladins so sorry but nope

Character looks great though!

You already can play as a high elf paladin, you just have to realize you don't get to be catered only because you want to be on one faction.

[Thalassian Bob]

Looks pretty, but wrong hair and skin color still.

I want my High Elf Alliance Paladins so sorry but nope

Character looks great though!

Thanks! Just need the damn legs to drop from Ulduar and to finish the Ashran grind...

Can't wait for the high-res horses in BfA! It's about time we got some non-PlayStation 1 looking horses to match all the nice new wolves we got from WoD.

[FlubberPuddy]

Thanks! Just need the damn legs to drop from Ulduar and to finish the Ashran grind...

Can't wait for the high-res horses in BfA! It's about time we got some non-PlayStation 1 looking horses to match all the nice new wolves we got from WoD.

My best friend would get super triggered everytime he was running MoP for a Monk Tier set hat. He would flip his shit so much, I thought it was funny because I told him that's what it is like to tmog collect haha

And YES I agree with you on the horses OMG FINALLY !!! I know some people find em boring but I've always loved Horses and just that simple elegance they bring from time to time. We've had PLENTY of Crazy-out-of-this-world type mounts. I'm hopeful that BFA continues to bring in some normalcy in regards to Alliance side

[Thalassian Bob]

My best friend would get super triggered everytime he was running MoP for a Monk Tier set hat. He would flip his shit so much, I thought it was funny because I told him that's what it is like to tmog collect haha

And YES I agree with you on the horses OMG FINALLY !!! I know some people find em boring but I've always loved Horses and just that simple elegance they bring from time to time. We've had PLENTY of Crazy-out-of-this-world type mounts. I'm hopeful that BFA continues to bring in some normalcy in regards to Alliance side

Yep. I ran Sunwell so many times to get that beautiful staff from Kil'Jaeden!

Yeah, agreed. I've always liked the simplicity of horse mounts and was always frustrated by the lack of availability for horses on the Horde side. Sure, there's blood elf paladin chargers, but I always wanted something without all that armor and decoration.
I've felt for a while that it was a little unfair that since the end of MoP (and certainly through WoD), Alliance players have had access to wolf mount models and the Horde hasn't really had opportunities to get horses. That changed a little thankfully with Legion though. Being able to attain Lucid Nightmare and the Dreamweavers unicorn. But it'd still be nice to have access to just a plain old horse Horde side!

[Darththeo]

Yes we know you've managed to convince yourself that they didn't rule out High Elves for a long time to come but don't expect to be able to talk about that esoteric viewpoint unchallenged.

You convinced yourself of something far stupider to believe, but I don't expect you to accept reality anytime soon.

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Perhaps you'd like to explain how perfect balance is possible. Even in checkers, one player has an advantage. I made some specific points and you just responded with your opinion.

Depends on your view of perfect balance. Are we talking literal perfect? Than that's a waste of time. If we are talking functionally perfect, than that is worthwhile discussion.

Many people suggest using an arbitrarily different model for High Elves, I was just explaining why that wouldn't make sense in WoW.

You mean besides the fact High Elves already use two models in live game? They have the Belf Model and a modified Nelf model (it's not used many places, but there are still a few NPCs that use it.) Hell, technically humans use two models ... Mediv uses a modified Male nelf model.

In general, if a race goes through some experience that causes them to look and act differently in significant ways, that's a reasonable basis for them to become playable. I don't think tattoos are enough, and High Elves have other problems too, but in the general sense, sure.

Not saying there is 100% a great way to do it, but the idea it's impossible to make is laughable.

It works for me and it works for Blizzard.

It is 100% irrelevant for who it works for, even when it "works" for Blizzard. Also, you can't really say it is significant or reasonable for Blizzard as it could just be a workable reason.

[FlubberPuddy]

Yep. I ran Sunwell so many times to get that beautiful staff from Kil'Jaeden!

Yeah, agreed. I've always liked the simplicity of horse mounts and was always frustrated by the lack of availability for horses on the Horde side. Sure, there's blood elf paladin chargers, but I always wanted something without all that armor and decoration.
I've felt for a while that it was a little unfair that since the end of MoP (and certainly through WoD), Alliance players have had access to wolf mount models and the Horde hasn't really had opportunities to get horses. That changed a little thankfully with Legion though. Being able to attain Lucid Nightmare and the Dreamweavers unicorn. But it'd still be nice to have access to just a plain old horse Horde side!

I hear ya! I have yet to get collecting proper in WoW (barely have time to keep up during school), but summer is almost here! One more week

Yeah that was a bit strange lol, isn't it because Orcs eat the Horses? Or no? o.O?? Anyways yeah that's pretty true, Alliance does have access to a wolf model so makes sense if Horde could get a Horse as well.

[Thalassian Bob]

I hear ya! I have yet to get collecting proper in WoW (barely have time to keep up during school), but summer is almost here! One more week

Yeah that was a bit strange lol, isn't it because Orcs eat the Horses? Or no? o.O?? Anyways yeah that's pretty true, Alliance does have access to a wolf model so makes sense if Horde could get a Horse as well.

Well, I wish you luck when you're able to get back into Azeroth!

Considering that the blood elves may have bred horses as an art before the Scourge attack (going by the flavour text on the Quel'dorei Steed), I'm sure Horde-used horses could be hidden away from the voracious orcish appetite in stables in Quel'thalas somewhere!

I'm guessing most of the steeds still in Quel'Thalas at the time of the invasion got killed and that's why only the Silver Covenant seems to have access to them now, since they were likely stabled in Dalaran and other safer Alliance-controlled towns and cities.

[FlubberPuddy]

Well, I wish you luck when you're able to get back into Azeroth!

Considering that the blood elves may have bred horses as an art before the Scourge attack (going by the flavour text on the Quel'dorei Steed), I'm sure Horde-used horses could be hidden away from the voracious orcish appetite in stables in Quel'thalas somewhere!

I'm guessing most of the steeds still in Quel'Thalas at the time of the invasion got killed and that's why only the Silver Covenant seems to have access to them now, since they were likely stabled in Dalaran and other safer Alliance-controlled towns and cities.

Thank you

I now imagined an Orc eyeing a horse and a Blood Elf going, "Hey! Back away Bucko!! These are for traveling ONLY!"

[Melsiren]

You already can play as a high elf paladin, you just have to realize you don't get to be catered only because you want to be on one faction.

And yet again we have returned to the root of the problem have we not?

Snideness aside they really need to HD update both the Paladin chargers and the Warlock horses.

[MechaCThun]

It's time this on-going debate moves to audio/visual debate.

[Magicon]

Lol....but horde are evil....here lets make the time travel orcs the good ones...


Btw you do know what whining means right?
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/whining

Above are just facts and a analyse . Things that can be found ingame/wowpedia/wowhead. Whining would be if i did not post the facts above and want something just because.


And btw comes from a guy who only goes to threads like this to respond.

and :
https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...0#post49229530

Ok. They asked about the least favourite classes and I answered my least favourite classes. I don't see your point?

I am sometimes active on the forums, so what?

[Thalassian Bob]

Thank you

I now imagined an Orc eyeing a horse and a Blood Elf going, "Hey! Back away Bucko!! These are for traveling ONLY!"

Haha! That's quite believable!

[Ithekro]

Hmmmm.


If the new datamined stuff coming out about the AU Orcs and Draenei is accurate, the Horde may start looked at the new golden eyed Blood Elves as Light corrupted.
Wouldn't take much of a plot twist for the Orcs and Forsaken to start going on a purging spree against the "few remaining" elves.

The same information suggests the random possibility of Lightbound Orcs (who would not join the Horde if playable). If that route if taken, There is nothing left to stop High Elves. In fact it might encourage High Elves as being the only uncorrupted version of the non-Night Elves left, since the seem to have been weaning themselves off the Sunwell's magic. Meaning that the Blood Elves might be forced from the Horde due to their "Light corruption" and forced to join the Alliance as they would have no remaining alternative but to either join or surrender to the Alliance. The Nightborne friends they have wouldn't be able to stop the combined Orcs should they decide the "Light" must be purged to save us all from their tyranny.

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Still the same argument can be said about Zandalari Paladins. Taurens were your compromise, accept that and move on, but still there is clearly a demand for it. None should be disclosed because of "reasons" but discussed.

Difference there is that the Alliance doesn’t have Zandalari Paladins or anything remotely close to it. The Horde has High Elves whether you agree with it or not. So Zandalari paladins are way more valid as an option than Alliance High Elves.

[Deleted]

Come on... This is close enough. Right, guys?

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Close enough for me.
Wouldn't it be easier if Blizz just added few more hairstyles without tentacles, one or two pale, but more fleshy skincolor and one pale blonde/purewhite + one red haircolor? Do we need whole new allied race if we just can have more customization?

It's side by side comparison of belves with palest skincolor + black/silver hair and the most similar velf counterpart (male velf has tentacle hair, I know, but there are still few non-tentacled hair):



It works for me. It just needs a little bit of immagination and voila, I have a High Elf with black/silver hair, they just have exremely pale skin due to few years of fighting magic addiction/living in Northrend far away from sunlight/white skinpowder they use to distinguish themselves from tanned belves/was born like that/whatever you wish. Even eyecolor is right, it's blue. Damn, I was roleplaying a High Elf with a Night Elf dressed in Silvermoon styled outfit and it worked for me, too. I just had very tall and well build helf, that's all.

For example if I would want to roleplay a High Elf, it's obvious now that Void Elf base is good. It's just need to take the least "voidy" customization, right transmog and it works, I can pretend I'm a normal HE without any relation with void, I can have an arcanist like that:



Or knight like that:



They are high elves, they lived in Northrend since Third War and they suffered a lot from magic addiction and that's why they are so pale. And Void? What is Void? They were never related to this.
Immagination, that's all.


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What is my point. I'm not against High Elves and I would prefer them much more than Void Elves who are just asspull race for me. But reality is just we have Void Elves, and this is the closest what we can get to HE in Alliance. It's highly doubtable they will add another playable elf race, but there's still possibility to fight for more customization. For one more skincolor and two more haircolors. For some tattoos (well, I'm for tattoos for all races!). And it should be close enough.

For example quick recolor of what I think of:


It's still not fleshy and I won't made it even similar to healthy color - it wouldn't fit the Void Elf theme. But alabaster white skin is closer to High Elf aesthetics than grey or blue, but still fitting gothic theme of velves. The same with haircolors - pinkish blonde and cherry red aren't natural, but those are haircolor that helves definitely could have (they can have silver, purple or blue hair as they are descendants of Night Elves, so why not red or pink?). I think it's a good compromise between void elf and high elf aesthetics. It would look good with blue skin and fit the vampiric theme, but it's also a one step closer to traditional High Elf look.

[Gaexion Ramza Beoulve]

"daily reminder that High Elves will never happen"

Weekly reminder that High Elves will never happen.

I got stuff to do.

[Maljinwo]

It works for me. It just needs a little bit of immagination and voila, I have a High Elf with black/silver hair, they just have exremely pale skin due to few years of fighting magic addiction/living in Northrend far away from sunlight/white skinpowder they use to distinguish themselves from tanned belves/was born like that/whatever you wish. Even eyecolor is right, it's blue.

For example if I would want to roleplay a High Elf, it's obvious now that Void Elf base is good. It's just need to take the least "voidy" customization, right transmog and it works, I can pretend I'm a normal HE without any relation with void, I can have an arcanist like that:

I'm proud of this post

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While I feel you shouldnt have to roleplay to such an extent all those elves just look undead to me...

That's why I told about immagination.
It's cool to have a character looking exactly as you wish, but unfortunately ammount of customization in WoW isn't enough. With immagination I can be a Night Elf with tattoos. A fem dwarf with huge beard. A Drakkari troll. Everything.
Also, elves who were slowly turning into Wretched but stopped in half way, could look undead due to pale skin.

[ravenmoon]

@Obelisk Kai highborne aren't the exclusive progenitors of the nightborne, they are of the high elves, not the nightborne. They are kaldorei (incl their ruling highborne)subjected to their own event and seclusion story different from the other two kaldorei groups (the hyjal survivors which incl the highborne high elf progenitors, and the shen'dralar highborne - the only exclusive highborne society from the sundering. nightborne are night elves who remained in Suramar, both highborne and non-highborne. They are not descendants either they are the original kaldorei altered slightly by the nightwell physically. In every other respect they are pre-existing kaldorei culture near the time of the sundering as described in WotA trilogy, the developers lifted Suramar from that description and brought that era of it to life as we see. The only thing changed is minor appearances we are not even sure the arcand'or cure won't reverse. Think of them more as a sidestep, rather than a descendant branch like the high elves. And note they aren't all highborne tho like kaldorei SOCIETY then, it was highborne ruled, but the culture wasn't known as highborne them, it was simply kaldorei culture .

Also I get Warcraft startedbhumans and orcs,but it was also overly simplistic and moved on from there. Although it always has that element, it is not nor does it have to be all exclusive to that. To say the factions getting along or some races having exceptions to the general course as some sort of prphibited by theme is presumptious and non progressive. Whiles sone things here remain the same evolve. Wow has always done both,. Simultaneously done new and different and expanded on old.

I think this development can certainly fit in this framework and make it more appealing, extending the fantasy adding new elements and diversity without eliminating the old. They are not mutually exclusive in this setting.