Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[Gaexion Ramza Beoulve]

Never forget, the Alliance is evil, and High Elves will never belong to an evil faction.

[Arrashi]

* Until they change their mind again.

Unless they don't. So far we have...13 years ? streak of them not changing their mind. Oh how many blizzcons full of disappointment for high elf fans.

[Ithekro]

Rydanis point from many pages ago were far more honest and believable that any of the faction wall/"Blizzard says so" ideology being spouted in the last few pages. His points I can respect in there honesty. The others ring as arrogant and ignoring that there are already High Elves in the Alliance and have been since the game started.

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Unless they don't. So far we have...13 years ? streak of them not changing their mind. Oh how many blizzcons full of disappointment for high elf fans.

About as many as have been disappointments for Alliance fans that don't care about High Elves in the least.

[Enkrypt]

Do you want some specific sentence that prooves what you want? I can play that game too. And i'm gonna be very kind to you and ask for something easier so you don't feel overhelmed.

Show me something that proove the inhability of HE to be playable for today standards, why is it, and what is the backup of that.

The rest of things you asked for (is not a point, is a cumulative list of points but whatever dude xddd) had been answered here a hundred times and again and again and again.

Is ironic that you are talking about doing mental gymnastics while saying that pointing to where HE are and who they are is a perversion to the lore.

BE the new HE is a lie or a twisted statement as best.

Population issue does not backup, it barely did before, and now it simply doesn't.

Blizzard's official stance is not a true, it's human words that do not support by itself and can be pointed out if they are wrong.

And just with the whole VE thing... are you just saying that Blizzard added a race without intention of it making sense? that Blizzard did it to solve the HE dillema and by that we aren't entitled to discuss? you lack vision if that is your argument, void elves seems like an insult for some people, and not just for people who want high elves.

Weak ad-hominem. Try harder if you want to get rid of me. And for future reference, if someone asks you a question, it's not a good strategy to evade the entire question and then propose a question of your own. That's not how this debate, or any debate, works. You can't omit a challenge and issue one of your own, especially while trying to condescend me. So again I ask you for proof, and I will not accept your goalposting or evasion until you do so. If you can't answer, then just admit you're lying and there is no proof. Because that's what I believe the case here is.

But let me get this straight, so I understand what kind of screecher I'm dealing with. You think you know the game better than Blizzard, and that you can disprove their official stance on the matter? You think you, a mere player of the game and biased High Elf supporter, know the game and the lore better than the people who create it? And I'm just supposed to take you at your word? Nope.

Your arrogance is too ridiculous to take seriously. There's no way you can seriously make that claim with a straight face. And if you think it's a legitimate claim, you have brainwashed yourself into a state of delusion like the others.

Nothing has been proven. You can't walk into a courtroom and say, "I am innocent, because I say so, and that's proof! Even though the cops are saying I'm guilty, they are wrong! There, I proved it!" You need actual proof or evidence. Since you're confused on the actual spelling of the word, I wouldn't dare presume you even know the meaning of the word.

So, until you prove to me that you're right with actual evidence and support, I'll just assume you're just blowing off more frustrated steam at not being able to have what you want. That is literally all any of you have done.

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Unless they don't. So far we have...13 years ? streak of them not changing their mind. Oh how many blizzcons full of disappointment for high elf fans.

And so? Now they introduced Void Elves - it was one of the first things they tried after bringing allied races. I believe they rather failed in recognizing the nature of expectations, and growing High Elves fans feedback is the proof. But I do not expect them to validate this move, before BfA was even released.

If there will be more allied races in future expansions, then there will be also future tries of solving High Elf demand questions. So I'm not so much worried about.

[Melsiren]

Am I the only one who feels most of the "unique" HE concepts in this thread are culturally appropiated wildhammer dwarf styles?

[Ithekro]

And so? Now they introduced Void Elves - it was one of the first things they tried after bringing allied races. I believe they rather failed in recognizing the nature of expectations, and growing High Elves fans feedback is the proof. But I do not expect them to validate this move, before BfA was even released.

If there will be more allied races in future expansions, then there will be also future tries of solving High Elf demand questions. So I'm not so much worried about.

As people have brought up over the last several hundred pages, the Void Elf issue could have been solved in one of two ways (or both).

1. Having made their origin story about them having been High Elves that were either converted to the Void and discovered by Alleria, Allieria's troops from Outland that were lost decades ago, or High Elves Alleria saves but in doing so they get converted to the Void. Any option that starts out with this group being High Elf at the start of the experience, rather than them being Blood Elf at all. This would appease the lore crowd.

2. Cosmetically have them have natural skin tones in some way (like an out of combat feature), to appease the RP crowd.

That would have probably solved, or at least mitigated the High Elf groups rather than agitating them even more. Void Elves made it worse than it was before.

A third option would be if they advance the Void Elf story to prove that they are using High Elves to increase their numbers and groups like the Silver Covenant join the Void Elves (thus that group of prominent High Elves goes away as High Elves), that to would appease the lore crowd. Making less High Elves, more Void Elves would at least give the Void Elves the High Elf backing. Right now, it looks like the process to make a Void Elf is a one time thing, while learning about the Void could eventually result in Void Elf like people like Alleria was prior to absorbing a Darkened Naaru's core.

[KrakHed]

Romulans are Vulcans.

The point I'd make here is that Romulans and Vulcans have been separated long enough to develop real physical differences, two entirely separate cultures, and a different set of aesthetics for the most part.

When it comes to Blood Elves and High Elves, we must accept that Blood Elves are the base race. High Elves are the divergent outlier. And mostly? They're shown as the blue mirror to Blood Elves these days. I honestly just think the High Elves need a little more time to evolve. There current form isn't so much a distinct culture and identity as it is a subsection of Blood Elf dissidents.

In time, they'll diverge from Silvermoon culture, and likely physically change through admixture.

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Am I the only one who feels most of the "unique" HE concepts in this thread are culturally appropiated wildhammer dwarf styles?

You're not, but I don't take that too seriously. I would expect there to be some Wildhammer influence on them, but I don't think they should go full Wildhammer.

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If You are willing, to call destroying them, solving the case...

Using void is in no way consistent with motivations of elves previously exiled from Quel'Thalas, and even Blizzard was probably aware of that to some point. That's why they made them new Blood Elf exiles. Still, they used Thalasian elf model and blue eyes - maybe even believing, that it is really the case High Elves fans wan't.

Am I the only one who feels most of the "unique" HE concepts in this thread are culturally appropiated wildhammer dwarf styles?

Both are derived from WC2, from related early concepts.

[Ithekro]

The point I'd make here is that Romulans and Vulcans have been separated long enough to develop real physical differences, two entirely separate cultures, and a different set of aesthetics for the most part.

When it comes to Blood Elves and High Elves, we must accept that Blood Elves are the base race. High Elves are the divergent outlier. And mostly? They're shown as the blue mirror to Blood Elves these days. I honestly just think the High Elves need a little more time to evolve. There current form isn't so much a distinct culture and identity as it is a subsection of Blood Elf dissidents.

In time, they'll diverge from Silvermoon culture, and likely physically change through admixture.

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You're not, but I don't take that too seriously. I would expect there to be some Wildhammer influence on them, but I don't think they should go full Wildhammer.

Given the changes to the Sunwell, I would think the Blood Elf culture would be the one to change more drastically in a shorter period of time than the High Elves.

As for the tattooed High Elf images in the thread that appear Wildhammer-like, its from the Warcraft II era High Elves who's Rangers had their faces painted to make them different from Elven archers. The Elven ranger being the upgraded unit type. Much like the paladin was the upgrade to the knight unit.

[Enkrypt]

Am I the only one who feels most of the "unique" HE concepts in this thread are culturally appropiated wildhammer dwarf styles?

They have, and will continue, to try any and every single thing they can to justify why they need them, or how they should look to differentiate them. To be fair, Alleria Windrunner is seen with these markings already.

Funny thing is, they got the High Elves already. They just have tentacles, purple skin, and are void infused. That's the compromise Blizzard made instead of tattoos, battle-markings, and other body decor.

[arcadius1]

is giving us blue eyes on an elf and making for the alliance too hard ?

[Friendlyimmolation]

is giving us blue eyes on an elf and making for the alliance too hard ?

when it goes against faction boundry, yes, play Horde.

[Cyram]

Now, I don't wanna stir shit, but I have a question.
What would happen if Blizz decided to release the fairer skintones and blue-eyed faces they use on the Silver Covenant and made them part of the Horde?
Lorewise they'd say that Lor'themar gave the High Elves an ultimatum and told them that with the ongoing war the Helves would have to choose between being free to do their pilgrimage to the Sunwell or the Alliance and they chose to side with their now Light-aligned brethren, thus leaving the void-welcoming Alliance behind.
Would pro-High Elven Allied Race be happy with a reason to introduce them in-game, but to put them more as customized Blood Elven character? Would that suffice? Or do they have to be Alliance?

[Melsiren]

Both are derived from WC2, from related early concepts.

Which is has been outright abandoned in modern Warcraft, the only elf who has the facepaint/tattoo is Alleria and it has become part of her unique lore character look.

Kinda like Thrall's eyebrows.

Now, I don't wanna stir shit, but I have a question.
What would happen if Blizz decided to release the fairer skintones and blue-eyed faces they use on the Silver Covenant and made them part of the Horde?
Lorewise they'd say that Lor'themar gave the High Elves an ultimatum and told them that with the ongoing war the Helves would have to choose between being free to do their pilgrimage to the Sunwell or the Alliance and they chose to side with their now Light-aligned brethren, thus leaving the void-welcoming Alliance behind.
Would pro-High Elven Allied Race be happy with a reason to introduce them in-game, but to put them more as customized Blood Elven character? Would that suffice? Or do they have to be Alliance?

I actually pretty much asked this about a hundred pages ago, I'm pretty sure the Pro-HE community would not be happy at all.

Me on the other hand? I already hate the faction conflict as it is, I make no secret I want the Alliance and the Horde to end, so a united Quel'thalas is perfect for me.

[Phaelia]

Can we please just rename this thread “we like to argue about the same 4 things for nearly 300 pages”?

[Ithekro]

Now, I don't wanna stir shit, but I have a question.
What would happen if Blizz decided to release the fairer skintones and blue-eyed faces they use on the Silver Covenant and made them part of the Horde?
Lorewise they'd say that Lor'themar gave the High Elves an ultimatum and told them that with the ongoing war the Helves would have to choose between being free to do their pilgrimage to the Sunwell or the Alliance and they chose to side with their now Light-aligned brethren, thus leaving the void-welcoming Alliance behind.
Would pro-High Elven Allied Race be happy with a reason to introduce them in-game, but to put them more as customized Blood Elven character? Would that suffice? Or do they have to be Alliance?

Happy? No. But would it fulfill the lore request requirements? Yes. If the remaining High Elves all joined the Horde save for those allied directly with the Void Elves, than yes the issue would be, essentially, solved.

The lingering issue would be the Windrunner Sisters and the Outland High Elves (which could probably use a CATA-like revamp anyway). But Blizzard would need to remove the majority of the remaining High Elves from Alliance territory, and any future use of Dalaran. Replacing them with Void Elves mostly. Single individuals remaining might be fine, but the larger concetrations would need to go or be repopulated in order for the change to stick, since the sticking point is and has been that there are High Elves in the Alliance, so why can't they be played as such?

[Aldo Hawk]

Weak ad-hominem. Try harder if you want to get rid of me. And for future reference, if someone asks you a question, it's not a good strategy to evade the entire question and then propose a question of your own. That's not how this debate, or any debate, works. You can't omit a challenge and issue one of your own, especially while trying to condescend me. So again I ask you for proof, and I will not accept your goalposting or evasion until you do so. If you can't answer, then just admit you're lying and there is no proof. Because that's what I believe the case here is.

But let me get this straight, so I understand what kind of screecher I'm dealing with. You think you know the game better than Blizzard, and that you can disprove their official stance on the matter? You think you, a mere player of the game and biased High Elf supporter, know the game and the lore better than the people who create it? And I'm just supposed to take you at your word? Nope.

Your arrogance is too ridiculous to take seriously. There's no way you can seriously make that claim with a straight face. And if you think it's a legitimate claim, you have brainwashed yourself into a state of delusion like the others.

Nothing has been proven. You can't walk into a courtroom and say, "I am innocent, because I say so, and that's proof! Even though the cops are saying I'm guilty, they are wrong! There, I proved it!" You need actual proof or evidence. Since you're confused on the actual spelling of the word, I wouldn't dare presume you even know the meaning of the word.

So, until you prove to me that you're right with actual evidence and support, I'll just assume you're just blowing off more frustrated steam at not being able to have what you want. That is literally all any of you have done.

Uhhm but what is this? you acuse me of screeching and being frustrated while the only thing you are giving here is whining and screeching about me not falling on your argumental traps and then suggest that i'm somekind dumb because you think i don't know what a proof is? you really seems to be on an enrage.

And i did not evaded the question my dear, i answered it in pieces while explaining to you that you were asking for something that doesn't make sense in the first place.

You have tons, and tons of things you must revise on yourself, this whole pointing to me things you do (and some of the people on your side) is greatly tiring.

You even have the guts of calling ad-hominems when is something that anti-helfers do everyday here.......

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Unless they don't. So far we have...13 years ? streak of them not changing their mind. Oh how many blizzcons full of disappointment for high elf fans.

High Elves are so similar to be a race.

But not to be an allied race.

Is it hard for you?

[Arrashi]

High Elves are so similar to be a race.

But not to be an allied race.

Is it hard for you?

Given ions response - they are too similar to be allied race.

[Tribaleyes]

Yes to High Elves from me!!