Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[Zorish]

I would prefer Vereesa to die in the elven civil war, sorry for that And Silver Covenant act just as connector between Alliance, and new ranger-themed population with changed lifestyle, as I already mentioned. So those are not my primary concerns.

Moreover that's minor problem for me, as I don't consider biological change to be necessary and only, but rather secondary explanation of model updates. If You think, that biological change is the only reasonable motif, of model upgrade, then we have no easy way, other maybe than operating on two models, as Tirasian population.

and for game old like WoW the biological change is ONLY way to show how one race unique from other, because WE DON't HAVE customization options like eso/bdo/any new eastern mmo. till you bring modern customization in wow - you can do this only by different races, end of story.
It would stop being Warcraft when "any race can be any faction". This is core principle of it.
When new player who not familiar with Warcraft lore will join this game - he will see "good" and "evil" faction. Horde and Aliance. And he will AUTOMATICALY think of Horde as evil. He don't care for lore for now. He want to be good guy.

However i still consider modern Blood Elf model not to be accurate, to what High Elf should look, after all - I still see it also as possible way of highlighting different thematically atmosphere, temperament, and behavior -

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and how exactly you show different atmosphere? In BC only one time when we saw "High elf" buildings and they were EXACTLY the same to Blood elven one. HE "aestetic" from the past? THEY WERE INNEHITED BY BLOOD ELVES. Every tatto, hairstyle, cloth from WC1-2-3 BELONG to current Blood elves. They not magicaly wiped tatto from their faces, they not magicaly shaved their heads differently. They not stopped employing rangers, because they have their own base near QT (AND IT'S NEAR BECAUSE RANGERS ARE BETTER WORK IN THE WOODS AND NOT CITY!). You see the problem people? You Pulling PAST for your "High elves". You not trying to invent something new for them. And EVERYTHING from their past (WC1-2-3) BELONG to Quel'thalas - aka BLOOD ELVES and the same (if not higher degree) as "High elves", who "breed with lesser races = half elves"

And everyone who bring "faction population" thing. So you think when on Vanila A-H had 70% - 30% ratio was good? I think it's good when you have 5% difference in favour of one of another. When Horde get numbers like 60 to 40 THEN AND ONLY THEN you can start bringing this argument. So cut the crap from it.

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He want to be good guy.

And how is that related to slightly different behavior and temper?.. And how it is, that their rather ambiguous, and egdy name doesn't stop him?

new player

Do not start with allied races anyway.

This is core principle of it.

Didin't they just said, that BfA is their last big shinny moment for factions, and later they are gonna rather rearrange the game?

But never mind, I actually wrote here already few times - close parallels are good for keeping faction tensions and catching attention. And even not making High Elves playable Blizzard was not able to not use it in story. I do not harm faction divisions, in fact - they make them look more authentically.

customization options

No one seem to be against. In fact - proposals for more customization options for all elven races are strongly needed.

He don't care

So You admit, that elven concept erosion is driven by aspiration to please poor tastes?

Every tatto, hairstyle, cloth from WC1-2-3 BELONG to current Blood elves.

And yet won't be used for them. Even existence of High Elven druids became retconed. Why is that? Because these are only in game lore explanations. And if some concepts are not consistent with current story development - they will just stay unused.

If model can show only poor average race representation, then it is the population with more nature shifted lifestyle, who shows such look, even if in lore ranger tattoos could be present in both. That's how highlighting differences work. And - no - it's not "taking away" from the Blood Elves, if thanks to that move they get less blurred, and easier to define. It seem to be very, very common misunderstanding here - consistency of motives and quality of picture is more important than their quantity.

and how exactly you show different atmosphere?

Strange case - I could felt it easily in WC3, despite less visual differentiation, and much more poor graphics. But I agree - at some point in needs independent development, from positions similar to taken by Highvale Elves in game. And there are also ideas for such development in this thread - driven from other more classical elven fantasy interpretations.

So you think when on Vanila A-H had 70% - 30% ratio was good?

No, I don't think It was good.

Although I see Blizzard working since few years intensively on recreating Blood Elves success, mostly by focusing on different dark-ellf-niche aesthetics. And so we got Nightfallen - with grim looks from Morrowind, Nightborne - nearly 100% drow in physical appearance, and Void Elves with equipment taken straight from Warhammer. Of all that - they made conservative and cowardly, but predictable decision, to make playable Nightborne, not Nightfallen in their previous appearance, and so - follow rather just a trope of being pretty, and make redemption story even faster than in case of Blood Elves. As for now Nightborne are outnumbered by totally carelessly done Void Elves.

Vampires, if they become playable (in way making them to some point recognizable as elves) - may be second attempt. And their possible future popularity in relation to Nightborne will may in fact falsify Your assumptions. Because who knows? Maybe it's not looks itself - however important for all elves - the only thing behind most popular Blizzards race? And if so - smoothing way of presentation Blood Elves might do not serve them. And do not serve Horde. Even despite many new players being ignorant and predictable for sure.

I'm going to observe it, being honesty curios of outcome.

[Thalassian Bob]

Honestly, I think with all the beautiful new faction-centric armor available in BfA, you can get void elves looking pretty close to what a lot of people are wanting out of high elves. You can even say your Ren'dorei was a high elf and never a blood elf (as high elves are present in the Rift) but they decided to take in the power of the void because it was a Windrunner who was guiding people in it and they wanted all the power they could muster to fight for the Alliance.
People just need to use a little imagination.

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You can even say your Ren'dorei was a high elf and never a blood elf (as high elves are present in the Rift)

Still waiting on something conclusive about this. Because currently Void Elves are exclusively the result of being forcibly transformed by a now dead Ethereal. It's not something any of them actually wanted or studied for, they were being turned into void creatures against their will. I don't see them being keen to replicate it unless some new developments occur. Theres Elves being trained now yes, but it'd be more likely to me they wind up like Alleria rather than perma greyscale Elves with tentacle hair.

[DeicideUH]

Honestly, I think with all the beautiful new faction-centric armor available in BfA, you can get void elves looking pretty close to what a lot of people are wanting out of high elves. You can even say your Ren'dorei was a high elf and never a blood elf (as high elves are present in the Rift) but they decided to take in the power of the void because it was a Windrunner who was guiding people in it and they wanted all the power they could muster to fight for the Alliance.
People just need to use a little imagination.

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I just handwave mine as a high elf that was with Alleria when recruiting Umbric and got caught in the ethereal's trap (I like to create backgrounds for all characters). But it's not the same thing as a high elf, it's just the closest thing possible. You don't look like a high elf, don't have a high elf place to hang out, won't get high elf lore when that playable race gets featured (I think that's the biggest problem).

But those mogs are very cool. Gold/blue fit well with void elves.

Still waiting on something conclusive about this. Because currently Void Elves are exclusively the result of being forcibly transformed by a now dead Ethereal. It's not something any of them actually wanted or studied for, they were being turned into void creatures against their will. I don't see them being keen to replicate it unless some new developments occur. Theres Elves being trained now yes, but it'd be more likely to me they wind up like Alleria rather than perma greyscale Elves with tentacle hair.

I agree there.

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Honestly, I think with all the beautiful new faction-centric armor available in BfA, you can get void elves looking pretty close to what a lot of people are wanting out of high elves. You can even say your Ren'dorei was a high elf and never a blood elf (as high elves are present in the Rift) but they decided to take in the power of the void because it was a Windrunner who was guiding people in it and they wanted all the power they could muster to fight for the Alliance.
People just need to use a little imagination.

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That's the route I went, it's better than nothing. I would have liked the Void Elf population to be only made of people like these, rather than a scenario that clearly points towards Blood Elf renegades and then randomly includes High Elf NPCs in Telogrus without a single word about them. Still not sure why they didn't go down the Worgen Two Forms path so we could have an out-of-combat High Elf form that looks like Alleria and an in-combat Void Elf form. I'm pretty sure that would have made more people happy.

[Thalassian Bob]

Still waiting on something conclusive about this. Because currently Void Elves are exclusively the result of being forcibly transformed by a now dead Ethereal. It's not something any of them actually wanted or studied for, they were being turned into void creatures against their will. I don't see them being keen to replicate it unless some new developments occur. Theres Elves being trained now yes, but it'd be more likely to me they wind up like Alleria rather than perma greyscale Elves with tentacle hair.

Well, you know what they say, "Desperate times call for desperate measures.". Some Quel'dorei might see the "reclamation" of Lordaeron as a new opportunity to wrestle Quel'Thalas away from the Sin'dorei and are willing to get their hands a little voidy to do it.

That's the route I went, it's better than nothing. I would have liked the Void Elf population to be only made of people like these, rather than a scenario that clearly points towards Blood Elf renegades and then randomly includes High Elf NPCs in Telogrus without a single word about them. Still not sure why they didn't go down the Worgen Two Forms path so we could have an out-of-combat High Elf form that looks like Alleria and an in-combat Void Elf form. I'm pretty sure that would have made more people happy.

At first, I expected the void elves to be more worgen-like with battle transformations. I was a little disappointed when I realised the model previews represented their usual form, but hey ho! We work with what we've got!

I just handwave mine as a high elf that was with Alleria when recruiting Umbric and got caught in the ethereal's trap (I like to create backgrounds for all characters). But it's not the same thing as a high elf, it's just the closest thing possible. You don't look like a high elf, don't have a high elf place to hang out, won't get high elf lore when that playable race gets featured (I think that's the biggest problem).

That's very plausible. I imagine many of the high elves stuck in Outland at the Allerian Stronghold probably didn't have much against the Sin'dorei once they realised that Kael'thas' followers did not represent all of the survivors of the Third War. Auric, their presumed leader in Alleria's absence, is happy to be in the company of blood elves and refers to all Thalassians collectively as the "Children of Silvermoon".
It's quite possible that one of the high elves of Alleria's squad was eager to rejoin their former commander and accompany her on her quest to get more of the "Belore'dorei" to join them in standing with the Alliance. People who the Allerian elves have stood by for decades.

[DeicideUH]

That's very plausible. I imagine many of the high elves stuck in Outland at the Allerian Stronghold probably didn't have much against the Sin'dorei once they realised that Kael'thas' followers did not represent all of the survivors of the Third War. Auric, their presumed leader in Alleria's absence, is happy to be in the company of blood elves and refers to all Thalassians collectively as the "Children of Silvermoon".
It's quite possible that one of the high elves of Alleria's squad was eager to rejoin their former commander and accompany her on her quest to get more of the "Belore'dorei" to join them in standing with the Alliance. People who the Allerian elves have stood by for decades.

One of my suggestions to make void more relatable for high elf players is to turn some high elf NPCs into void elves. I'd take some of the Allerian elves, like Taela Everstride and Theloria Shadecloak as hunter and rogue figures for the ren'dorei, for instance. Would also take Lyria and Ennas (the blood elf priests preaching against the Horde in Silvermoon) as priest representatives and Summoner Nolric (only high elf warlock known) as a ren'dorei warlock.

I find it interesting that Umbric's dialogue for 8.0 indicates he's more like a high elf in regards to faction loyalty than a blood elf. It's a good start, but the void elves need to have their lore fleshed out a lot before people start to feel comfortable with them.

The recruitment scenario for the void elves would also be way better if, instead of Alleria alone, we had a full squad of high elves with her, some named (like Auric and the above mentioned Theloria and Taela) plus generic Silver Covenant mages and rangers. Then, they are all caught in the trap and turned, so we instantly have known high elves becoming void elves, and also make the ren'dorei more diverse, with some wishing to study the void, others wary of the transformation.

[Thalassian Bob]

One of my suggestions to make void more relatable for high elf players is to turn some high elf NPCs into void elves. I'd take some of the Allerian elves, like Taela Everstride and Theloria Shadecloak as hunter and rogue figures for the ren'dorei, for instance. Would also take Lyria and Ennas (the blood elf priests preaching against the Horde in Silvermoon) as priest representatives and Summoner Nolric (only high elf warlock known) as a ren'dorei warlock.

I find it interesting that Umbric's dialogue for 8.0 indicates he's more like a high elf in regards to faction loyalty than a blood elf. It's a good start, but the void elves need to have their lore fleshed out a lot before people start to feel comfortable with them.

The recruitment scenario for the void elves would also be way better if, instead of Alleria alone, we had a full squad of high elves with her, some named (like Auric and the above mentioned Theloria and Taela) plus generic Silver Covenant mages and rangers. Then, they are all caught in the trap and turned, so we instantly have known high elves becoming void elves, and also make the ren'dorei more diverse, with some wishing to study the void, others wary of the transformation.

Those are all good suggestions, yeah.

On Umbric's dialogue, I imagine that many Sin'dorei even today (in the current WoW timeline) still aren't particularly comfortable with Silvermoon being aligned with the Horde. I think that the only reason even part of the general Thalassian public was able to accept joining the Horde was because it was the former Ranger-General and a Windrunner who was inviting them in.

It wouldn't surprise me if many still deeply resented the orcs for their involvement in the Second War (even if it was mostly just the Dragonmaw) and thoroughly distrusted all trolls because of the millennia-old rivalry between Quel'Thalas and the Amani. Many of the Ren'dorei probably breathed a sigh of relief when they were able to disentangle themselves from their ties to the Horde. Even if it meant leaving Quel'Thalas for the foreseeable future, if not forever.

[Zorish]

And how is that related to slightly different behavior and temper?.. And how it is, that their rather ambiguous, and egdy name doesn't stop him?

Surpse. it won't! And your friends scream on every corner that Horde is faction for children. well - at least this is how we keep enough players to be actuall faction? Or you mean Void elves? then MAYBE they will turn some of people from Aliance who don't want to be "bad elf" and make this people actually read lore? who knows.

Do not start with allied races anyway.

but they will see Common "good guy races" on Aliance side and will automaticaly consider them "good faction".

Didin't they just said, that BfA is their last big shinny moment for factions, and later they are gonna rather rearrange the game?

But never mind, I actually wrote here already few times - close parallels are good for keeping faction tensions and catching attention. And even not making High Elves playable Blizzard was not able to not use it in story. I do not harm faction divisions, in fact - they make them look more authentically.

Care to share link about that? especialy that they will rearrange the game AFTER BFA

So You admit, that elven concept erosion is driven by aspiration to please poor tastes?

Sorry but new players (especialy young ones) commonly have poor tastes, and almost always don't care about lore.

And yet won't be used for them. Even existence of High Elven druids became retconed. Why is that? Because these are only in game lore explanations. And if some concepts are not consistent with current story development - they will just stay unused.

If model can show only poor average race representation, then it is the population with more nature shifted lifestyle, who shows such look, even if in lore ranger tattoos could be present in both. That's how highlighting differences work. And - no - it's not "taking away" from the Blood Elves, if thanks to that move they get less blurred, and easier to define. It seem to be very, very common misunderstanding here - consistency of motives and quality of picture is more important than their quantity.

so you again want to wipe history happened during WC3. And want bring "past" for your personal needs. Want to know where was BAD writing (wich people scream not about current state)? In WC1-WC2. It was f**king common fantasy with "good vs bad". Oh and by this "druidic" you want to dwindle role of Nigh elves too. Nice trade for both factions i guess eh?

Strange case - I could felt it easily in WC3, despite less visual differentiation, and much more poor graphics. But I agree - at some point in needs independent development, from positions similar to taken by Highvale Elves in game. And there are also ideas for such development in this thread - driven from other more classical elven fantasy interpretations.

yes you felt "High elves" become Blood elves - so they innerhited everything what was part of the "High elves"

No, I don't think It was good.

elves by GENERAL most popular race in every f**king fantasy world. Everyone want to be beautifull, skillfull, immortal, etc. And by current population we see that every elf is big selling point for faction. But NOW factions difference have about 10% (45 vs 55). Till it turn to 70 horde and 30% aliance you have zero chance getting this "selling" race. And this won't, because Race skill will be nerfed (reworked) and aliance got Void elves, wich silenced part of your "i want High elf in aliance" community.

Sorry but pleasing EVERYONE is not blizzard job. Blizzard job is please Big part, without making other sad.

You are my dear "Pro high elf" - replaceable. They already counted most outcomes they can from this step. Few who will "cancel" their sub permanently (laugh) or temporary are "adequate" loss, while they again consider possible new customers for adding so many races. They will monitor faction population after that, will try predict future and work accordingly. But for now? You my dear are "expected loses"

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Elves with tentacle hair.

Not all hairstyles have tentacles.

[FlubberPuddy]

Still waiting on something conclusive about this. Because currently Void Elves are exclusively the result of being forcibly transformed by a now dead Ethereal. It's not something any of them actually wanted or studied for, they were being turned into void creatures against their will. I don't see them being keen to replicate it unless some new developments occur. Theres Elves being trained now yes, but it'd be more likely to me they wind up like Alleria rather than perma greyscale Elves with tentacle hair.

The conclusion has already arrived with Magister Umbric's recent lines:

Do you believe we have earned the trust of the Alliance?

"So long as Silvermoon stands with the Horde, there will always be those who mistrust us.

But the Alliance is where our people belong. I am more certain of that now than ever before.

Stay the course, $n. Show our comrades in the Alliance that we fight for the same cause.

One day the Horde's grip on our land will be broken, and the children of Quel'Thalas will stand united once more.

I know it."

He is talking directly to the player character Void Elf, answering a question the player asks about "earning the Alliance's trust" - something which Alliance High Elves would never have to do since they've already been loyal for pretty much WoW's existence to the Alliance.

Therefore, currently (as in right this moment), every player made Void Elf is an exiled Silvermoon Blood Elf that is part of Magister Umbric's crew.

People can make believe all they want that their Void Elves are High Elves, but it doesn't change the reality that this is what the current story for player character Void Elves are at the moment. Means these Void Elves have none of the History of the Silver Covenant, or Highvale, or groups like that who've had story progress within WoW. They pretty much have the history of Blood Elves up until the moment they changed into Void Elves.

This also implies they haven't yet made new Void Elves either.

The Void nearly claimed you?

"I led us right into the ethereals' trap. If not for Alleria Windrunner's intervention, we would have been lost.

As it was, the shadow energies transformed us... and opened our minds to the whispers of the Void. Without Alleria's guidance, we would have fallen into madness.

She has helped us quiet our minds. Dampen the whispers. It is a constant struggle."

http://www.wowhead.com/news=284450/b...magic-spoilers

It isn't up to interpretation anymore. Could this change in the future? Absolutely, but that's not the case right now.

[Ithekro]

Part of the problem with the idea that Void Elves are as a compromise solution to High Elves is that it doesn't take hardly any semblance of a proper compromise into account.

A) One group asked for High Elves.

B) The other side says you can't have those because they look like Blood Elves.

A) Okay, than how about we alter the model in some way so the High Elves look different from the Blood Elves.

B) Okay, we will give you blue Blood Elves with sometimes tentacles.

A) Wait, I thought you didn't want to give us Blood Elves.

B) Blood Elves are essentially High Elves.

A) What!? Couldn't you just do the same thing to the High Elves, make them blue? I mean you already have them in game so it would just be to satisfy the lore.

B) .... (silence and no explanation given)

A) Hello? High Elves?

B) You can't have High Elves because they look like Blood Elves, take your Void Elves and be happy.

A) But those are Blue Blood Elves, not High Elves.

B) Blood Elves are essentially High Elves.

A) Sigh. What about a normal skin tone option or Worgen style transformation so the RP crowd can at least pretend they are High Elves?

B) You can't have High Elves because they look like Blood Elves. You need to play Horde for that.

A) But you already gave us Blue Blood Elves.

B) Blood Elves are essentially High Elves....(repeat indefinitely).


I mean Blue Blood Elves with or without tentacles looks really good and people do and will play them, but they aren't a good compromise for High Elves. It only satisfies the people that wanted the model on the Alliance side. Not the people that wanted the either the natural skin tone for RP uses, or the Lore people who wanted to continues the High Elf storyline of those High Elves we see that didn't stay with the Blood Elves, nor joined the Horde.

[DeicideUH]

Part of the problem with the idea that Void Elves are as a compromise solution to High Elves is that it doesn't take hardly any semblance of a proper compromise into account.

A) One group asked for High Elves.

B) The other side says you can't have those because they look like Blood Elves.

A) Okay, than how about we alter the model in some way so the High Elves look different from the Blood Elves.

B) Okay, we will give you blue Blood Elves with sometimes tentacles.

A) Wait, I thought you didn't want to give us Blood Elves.

B) Blood Elves are essentially High Elves.

A) What!? Couldn't you just do the same thing to the High Elves, make them blue? I mean you already have them in game so it would just be to satisfy the lore.

B) .... (silence and no explanation given)

A) Hello? High Elves?

B) You can't have High Elves because they look like Blood Elves, take your Void Elves and be happy.

A) But those are Blue Blood Elves, not High Elves.

B) Blood Elves are essentially High Elves.

A) Sigh. What about a normal skin tone option or Worgen style transformation so the RP crowd can at least pretend they are High Elves?

B) You can't have High Elves because they look like Blood Elves. You need to play Horde for that.

A) But you already gave us Blue Blood Elves.

B) Blood Elves are essentially High Elves....(repeat indefinitely).


I mean Blue Blood Elves with or without tentacles looks really good and people do and will play them, but they aren't a good compromise for High Elves. It only satisfies the people that wanted the model on the Alliance side. Not the people that wanted the either the natural skin tone for RP uses, or the Lore people who wanted to continues the High Elf storyline of those High Elves we see that didn't stay with the Blood Elves, nor joined the Horde.

I think most of the rejection of void elves come from two things:
- They are not a continuation of the high elf/Silver Covenant story, but rather a new group that wasn't properly seeded in the world;
- Their transformation and thus new appearance comes from the use of forbidden dark magic, which the high elves rejected.

Some other storyline that changed high elves using some other power source would probably appease high elf fans way more. For instance, I always wanted to see the 5.2 Thunder King storyline continued. There, the Silver Covenant helped Jaina empower the Storm Staff of Antonidas. The staff was never used for anything. Why not get back to that storyline and use the staff to change the high elves into some sort of "storm elves" with lightning eyes, lightning "tattoos" and glowing hair details (they could even have blue skin! And even the same racials could have worked, with you empowering yourself with lightning rather than void, or teleporting via electricity).

It would feel natural, even rewarding, for people who followed high elf lore all this time.

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Care to share link about that? especialy that they will rearrange the game AFTER BFA

Sorry, but can't keep source to every hint about every topic a read a day, so feel free to address only second part of that statement only then.

WC1-WC2. It was f**king common fantasy with "good vs bad".

Well, thast's called classic. And there is nothing wrong, with people wanting classic motives somewhere in the background of the game. High Elf fans are rather clear, that they want classic elf. Do You act the same way with people asking for Ogres?

so you again want to wipe history happened during WC3

Totally opposite - this is why I speak against equating Blood Elves with High Elves, and so them loosing core concept. In defense of them. Because what I associate with Blood Elves story as one of the most important symbols is the Dead Scar - would that could be never cured. Blood Elves were always scared people. And those, who equate them with High Elves, harm them - rob of what is most beautiful in them - their unseen scars.

And as for High Elves - rare ones, that never participated in hard decision made to survive, but are still presented in story - none of my ideas was about turning back the past. I would be personally repulsed by Blizzard just arranged retaking Quel'Thalas and recoloring it in blue. It's time for them to to come to terms with losing homeland, losing their people, and start something new. For their independent development. I have in fact went further, in pushing them out of that past in my suggestions, that most of the High Elves fans.

And so, even if You can call me little bit nostalgic, and little bit bind to classical motives - I'm for sure not this kind of High Elf fan You think.

You my dear are "expected loses"

For now.

I acknowledged it already in previous post, bringing notes about Blizzard experimenting on different kind of dark elves. Because these sugests, that they are in fact working slowly on it. This is not end of the WoW yet, isn't it? I have nothing against waiting and seeing effects.

People just need to use a little imagination.

Imagination won't change that, Void Elves are recognized as continuation of Blood Elf story, not High Elf story, even by the people strongly opposing to playable High Elves.
Imagination won't change, that they are in fact Anti-High Elves, pushing further practices rejected by High Elven exiles, with whom High Elf fans feel usually most connected.
Imagination won't change, that they are deeply rooted in dark elf aesthetics, not classic elf aesthetics

And peoples imagination can only harm Void Elves themselves, who won't be developed on any interesting, fitting territory, as they going to stay with no properties and no character, to not discourage further High Elves fans. Such hybrid have no future - other, than staying purple toy with no character, because their design and current lore in fact pushes them to become something dangerous in time, and pleasing High Elven fans requires opposite.

At this point I can't even stand their name. It reminds me painfully of Kylo Ren from Star Wars - emotionally unstable teen, placed in position of villian from some unknown reason, in the film that was one total waste of time.

[Zorish]

Sorry, but can't keep source to every hint about every topic a read a day, so feel free to address only second part of that statement only then.

then don't bring such statement without actuall proof. (for now i see this only something like another headcanon)

Well, thast's called classic. And there is nothing wrong, with people wanting classic motives somewhere in the background of the game. High Elf fans are rather clear, that they want classic elf. Do You act the same way with people asking for Ogres?

I would care about ogres when they will be introduced. AND EVEN if they somehow will end up in Aliance - i will accept it, because for NOW they are not playable by any faction. And you want classic? Wait for Vanila servers OR you know? you have enough mmo there with "classic" good elves. Blizzard want create something different - this hurt your comfort zone - you push blizzard back - blizzard don't want be pushed back.

Totally opposite - this is why I speak against equating Blood Elves with High Elves, and so them loosing core concept. In defense of them. Because what I associate with Blood Elves story as one of the most important symbols is the Dead Scar - would that could be never cured. Blood Elves were always scared people. And those, who equate them with High Elves, harm them - rob of what is most beautiful in them - their unseen scars.

dread scar was never healed only because it's part of BC content. Hell even orgrimmar got total rebuild in shorter time, and Stormwind got hit and rebuilded too (and even expanded with naval part).

And as for High Elves - rare ones, that never participated in hard decision made to survive, but are still presented in story - none of my ideas was about turning back the past. I would be personally repulsed by Blizzard just arranged retaking Quel'Thalas and recoloring it in blue. It's time for them to to come to terms with losing homeland, losing their people, and start something new. For their independent development. I have in fact went further, in pushing them out of that past in my suggestions, that most of the High Elves fans.

Most of "High elf fans" want "classic" elves in good guys faction. They want to be beautifull, pretty, elf paladin (especialy this class got biggest pain in the butt of "High elf fans"). They don't try to create something new. they pulling from the past. I am sad that Traycor wasted so much energy on pulling the past wich now innerhited by Blood elves, instead creating something new from CURRENT ones.
And so, even if You can call me little bit nostalgic, and little bit bind to classical motives - I'm for sure not this kind of High Elf fan You think.

For now.

I acknowledged it already in previous post, bringing notes about Blizzard experimenting on different kind of dark elves. Because these sugests, that they are in fact working slowly on it. This is not end of the WoW yet, isn't it? I have nothing against waiting and seeing effects.

you not and most of your "High elf fans" have problems with waiting. Every time i read discord of them there something like "ion prick" "i expect them to be 8.1-8.2", "ion will be fired if he won't create them asap" and other statements.

And every time when you pull Alleria stronghold there (and in discord) answer me. DO YOU HONESTLY BELIVE THAT ELVES WHO LIVED THERE ONLY BECAUSE THEY GOT STUCK will stay there all that time instead some of them going home in silvermoon/dalaran/etc.? Like hell even Auric gone to Silvermoon for negotiations, and after all BC events main "dividing force" between so called "High elves" and Blood elves are old grudges of Veressa, and some of them who can't separate current horde from one that attacked them during second war.

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you have enough mmo there with "classic" good elves

And who do You think You are, to show people the doors?

Blizzard want create something different - this hurt your comfort zone - you push blizzard back - blizzard don't want be pushed back.

Create, then waste. Create, then destroy. As now is destroying idea of Blood Elves from TBC.

dread scar was never healed only because it's part of BC content.

So information about it being irreversible - presented both in game, and in it's description - is also just my headcanon? Yeah. And for sure any prof, that I have some point about abandoning previous ideas for Blood Elves.

They don't try to create something new. they pulling from the past. I am sad that Traycor wasted so much energy

You are contradicting yourself in this paragraph. High Elf fans don't create anything new, so You are sad, that they wasted energy in creating new appearances, for development of their race. Traycor used old concept as a base, for new population - similar for example to Highvale Elves. There is nothing to be sad for people invest their work in what they see most worth it, wven if You dion't agree with their decision. I myself, in contrast to what You say - suggested here few ideas for news settlements - actually having no current visual precedence in WoW, but consistent with conceit of classic elf.

You perfectly know, that this aesthetics will never be useful for Blood Elves, but You still oppose High Elf fans to reuse it, and game to serve more diverse tastes.

most of your "High elf fans" have problems with waiting.

And You state this on the basis of observation of how they loyally wait for their race for more than actual decade, yes?

I'm not sure, how to discuss with such prejudices. Nothing I see here, reflects behavior You describe. High Elves fans who spoke up since I joined, were creative, flexible, willing to compromises and clear in message, that they want classic elves independently derived from the High Elf story. Not Blood Elf remake, not Blood Elf story continuation, not Blood Elf model etc.

old grudges of Veressa, and some of them who can't separate current horde from one that attacked them during second war.

I dont't ask You about opinion of in game politics and sympathies, as they can only in fact blur the image, that people sympathizing with other side of that coin, have in fact equal to yours right to their own interpretation, and continuation of their side of story.

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Personally I don't understand why they WOULDN'T be added at this point, those who don't want to play another elf character don't have to make one. Problem solved?

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Personally I don't understand why they WOULDN'T be added at this point, those who don't want to play another elf character don't have to make one. Problem solved?

In short, because it would lower the standard for playable races in terms of distinctive identity, in particular between factions.

Blizzard has been committed to introducing new and creative races for either faction, and it's important that they maintain that pursuit, or we risk losing a wider breadth of options in favor of filling in the insignificant details in between. From Blizzard's perspective on this specific topic, the issue is that the fantasy of this particular race is embodied by Blood Elves, and they are something that is intended to make the Horde appealing. To recreate that fantasy on the other faction, especially with 2018 levels of quality, would take something unique and valuable to the Horde, strip it of its distinctiveness, and overshadow its quality. That would only serve to make the Blood Elves, the Horde, and in turn the game as a whole less appealing, all for the sake of adding redundant pieces that lack the unique identity we have come to expect for playable races in terms of visuals, fantasy, and story. That is not a direction I want to see Blizzard take the game, because I think it discourages creativity and panders to a minority at the expense of the game's overall quality. I believe that adding them would placate a small group of players in the short term, but wouldn't be worth it to any of us in the long term.

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And who do You think You are, to show people the doors?

maybe the one who want Warcraft to be somewhat unique from common fantasy worlds where dakr = evil, light = good, elves, dwarves, humans = goodguys, orcs, trolls, undead, goblins = bad guys?

Create, then waste. Create, then destroy. As now is destroying idea of Blood Elves from TBC.

"desctruction is done". Chronicles cemented it. 0,0001% chances that blizz will retcon after releasing chronicles.

So information about it being irreversible - presented both in game, and in it's description - is also just my headcanon? Yeah. And for sure any prof, that I have some point about abandoning previous ideas for Blood Elves.

corrupted land can still be taken and trown out of there if needed. i don't think it's deep enough corrupted soil with no chances of actually clear it. But okay

You are contradicting yourself in this paragraph. High Elf fans don't create anything new, so You are sad, that they wasted energy in creating new appearances, for development of their race. Traycor used old concept as a base, for new population - similar for example to Highvale Elves. There is nothing to be sad for people invest their work in what they see most worth it, wven if You dion't agree with their decision. I myself, in contrast to what You say - suggested here few ideas for news settlements - actually having no current visual precedence in WoW, but consistent with conceit of classic elf.

You perfectly know, that this aesthetics will never be useful for Blood Elves, but You still oppose High Elf fans to reuse it, and game to serve more diverse tastes.

so list please "aestetics" wich won't be used by Blood elves and WHY they won't be used? Hairstyles and tatto (later mostly) not there only because we lack them FROM THE START ON EVERY F**CKING RACE! Every race have some kind of warpaint/tattoo, but they started implement them with AR. So what stopping them from ACTUALLY adding them to normal races AFTER BfA (because they said that main focus in BfA are Alied Races)?

And You state this on the basis of observation of how they loyally wait for their race for more than actual decade, yes?

I'm not sure, how to discuss with such prejudices. Nothing I see here, reflects behavior You describe. High Elves fans who spoke up since I joined, were creative, flexible, willing to compromises and clear in message, that they want classic elves independently derived from the High Elf story. Not Blood Elf remake, not Blood Elf story continuation, not Blood Elf model etc.

decade of demanding of return to classic fantasy world so Warcraft will end up again another "meh" mmo lorewise, where cool guys Human, dwarves, elves, and gnomes overpower everything on their path. Oh and i just can't stop imagining how many "High elves" would start scream on horde that they are "loyal, proud, clear, etc, etc. (holly hypocrites)" just because they play for the "right faction". And how much damage it will do to faction population AGAIN, and then AGAIN Aliance will scream "horde bias" when after adding "High elves" blizzard would try to AGAIN balance faction by adding something cool to horde race (dragonkin for example). But yeah - Horde bias.
Also - tell me. Where is Ogres for Horde thread of 300 pages and ancestors knows how much posts on bnet forums? even if they were part of the horde from start. i don't see any. Where big thread of 300 pages for San'layn? i don't see it. Taunka? Wildhammer? Dragonmaw? I. DON'T. SEE. THEM. show how "biased" aliance and hore eh?

I dont't ask You about opinion of in game politics and sympathies, as they can only in fact blur the image, that people sympathizing with other side of that coin, have in fact equal to yours right to their own interpretation, and continuation of their side of story.

you can do whatever you want, without "High elves" being added to Aliance.