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    Quote Originally Posted by Friendlyimmolation View Post
    or you can see how Blizzard has already taken some high elves out of the beta, or in the Warfront's case, turned them into blood elves and put them on the Horde side instead.
    Yes, one High Elf NPC, after the fact they tried to say "High Elves aren't really active out there" (when before they were placed in the Warfront for BfA). Most likely a case of Ion trying to save face, "wtf are these HEs doing here? Make em BE like i said!!"

    But not only that they corrected Frostfencer Seraphi's Eyes and even changed the name of the team to Auric's Angels. Auric who holds the literal title "High Elf Representative."

    It still is, as always has been, the potential for High Elves to exist and their inclusion as a playable race for a future. Here I have a better idea, someone with a Twitter, why not just ask Muffinus if they are still potential for later or did Ion's answer mean "no forever."

    He elaborated once before, he could do so again?

    Regardless, if playable or not, High Elves certainly have a place in the game among Alliance, and this continues to be shown in BfA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grythletubs View Post
    There are high elves in the Alliance though, and they've received even more spotlight than their fellow blood elf brethren.
    It is fundamentally impossible for a group that is not playable to receive more spotlight than a race that is playable.

    As for the Alliance High Elves receiving more spotlight in BFA I do not see it. If you are counting Alleria's participation as High Elf spotlight, this is incorrect. The Void Elf racial leader's participation counts as Void Elf, not Alliance High Elf.

    There were High Elf NPCs added to the warfronts in an earlier beta build, but SOMETHING (I can't for the life of me think what...) caused Blizzard to reconsider, convert them into Horde Blood Elves and replace them with Human NPCs.

    The only Alliance High Elves who could have a presence in BFA is Frostfencer Seraphi and of course Veressa. But any plot Veressa will have will almost certainly be in your usual role of supporting someone else, in this case Alleria and the Void Elf plot.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grythletubs View Post
    They are an allied race, just not playable. That's enough of a reason for me to see them being playable in the future.
    An Allied race is by definition playable. As Alliance High Elves are not playable, they are not an Allied race. My reasoning for them NOT being playable in the future was the analysis provided by the game director where he said that Alliance High Elves would blur the faction lines too much, that Blood Elves are High Elves ( and so High Elves are playable) and that Void Elves were created as a thematically distinct variant for the Alliance to enjoy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grythletubs View Post
    I'm not sure what you're trying to prove, high elves are part of the Alliance even if blood elves are on the Horde.
    I am not trying to prove anything. I do not need to prove anything. My position is backed up by all in game evidence and by all out of game evidence. That a tiny number of High Elves are with the Alliance does not change that the vast majority of their race, who control everything of value to their race, are loyal members of the Horde.

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    With Calia being set up as a replacement for Sylvanas and the very, very low chance she'd ever lead them against the Alliance, I can't help but wonder if they're just going to do away with the factions at the end of BfA.

    If that were the case, it would certainly make some sense why they'd so desperately be gripping the 'No High Elf Allied Race' wheel when in less than one expansion the difference would literally be an eye colour swap in-game and no faction barrier between them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Obelisk Kai View Post
    It is fundamentally impossible for a group that is not playable to receive more spotlight than a race that is playable.

    As for the Alliance High Elves receiving more spotlight in BFA I do not see it. If you are counting Alleria's participation as High Elf spotlight, this is incorrect. The Void Elf racial leader's participation counts as Void Elf, not Alliance High Elf.

    There were High Elf NPCs added to the warfronts in an earlier beta build, but SOMETHING (I can't for the life of me think what...) caused Blizzard to reconsider, convert them into Horde Blood Elves and replace them with Human NPCs.

    The only Alliance High Elves who could have a presence in BFA is Frostfencer Seraphi and of course Veressa. But any plot Veressa will have will almost certainly be in your usual role of supporting someone else, in this case Alleria and the Void Elf plot.



    An Allied race is by definition playable. As Alliance High Elves are not playable, they are not an Allied race. My reasoning for them NOT being playable in the future was the analysis provided by the game director where he said that Alliance High Elves would blur the faction lines too much, that Blood Elves are High Elves ( and so High Elves are playable) and that Void Elves were created as a thematically distinct variant for the Alliance to enjoy.



    I am not trying to prove anything. I do not need to prove anything. My position is backed up by all in game evidence and by all out of game evidence. That a tiny number of High Elves are with the Alliance does not change that the vast majority of their race, who control everything of value to their race, are loyal members of the Horde.
    OK great, there are still high elves on the Alliance though, and like I said they get almost as much attention as humans.
    Even if there's only 500 high elves, they're still there, are given attention by the devs and if they aren't killed off, people will keep requesting them.

    It would be the same if there was a horde race being flaunted around and they weren't playable, but horde do not have such a race unless you consider undead Sylvannas her own race.

    Your reason, Ion's reasoning and his no do not change the fact that High elves are very much there (and often focused upon) in the Alliance. I don't think people requesting high elves are wrong, I think the devs are wrong for constantly featuring an alliance race and then being shocked when people want to play them.

    Edit: Also to address your first comment, high elves do receive more attention in game and in the books than blood elves do. And when blood elves are given attention, high elves seem to always be involved. I'm not referring to gameplay.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grythletubs View Post
    OK great, there are still high elves on the Alliance though, and like I said they get almost as much attention as humans.
    Even if there's only 500 high elves, they're still there, are given attention by the devs and if they aren't killed off, people will keep requesting them.

    It would be the same if there was a horde race being flaunted around and they weren't playable, but horde do not have such a race unless you consider undead Sylvannas her own race.

    Your reason, Ion's reasoning and his no do not change the fact that High elves are very much there (and often focused upon) in the Alliance.
    Alliance High Elves get no where close to as much attention has Humans ... maybe Dwarves or Gnomes ... but Humans get so much Alliance attention it ain't funny. I don't have a problem with High Elves potentially being playable, but don't use hyperbole.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Obelisk Kai View Post
    Again, the classic elf archetype is fulfilled in every way by the Blood Elves except for the allying with Humans and Dwarves part. The best solution was the one already implemented, giving the Alliance a variant of those Elves meaningfully distinguished from the Blood Elves which was accomplished via the Void Elves.

    While I acknowledge the debt fantasy owes to lord of the rings, this is not lord of the rings. The tolkien style elves are not friends of Humanity in Warcraft. They stand with the Horde.
    Yep, sorry @JdRobespierre - I find his argument more compelling than yours.

    I'm going to retire from this thread, because it's literally going nowhere. If alliance one day gets HE's good for them, they worked really hard to get them! I personally don't think this will happen due to already getting VE's and being told in a very clear, kind way from the game director that it's not going to happen.

    I would still support the creation of a brand new, distinct race. But I cannot support anything that weaves existing HE's into that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grythletubs View Post
    OK great, there are still high elves on the Alliance though, and like I said they get almost as much attention as humans.
    Even if there's only 500 high elves, they're still there, are given attention by the devs and if they aren't killed off, people will keep requesting them.

    It would be the same if there was a horde race being flaunted around and they weren't playable, but horde do not have such a race unless you consider undead Sylvannas her own race.

    Your reason, Ion's reasoning and his no do not change the fact that High elves are very much there (and often focused upon) in the Alliance. I don't think people requesting high elves are wrong, I think the devs are wrong for constantly featuring an alliance race and then being shocked when people want to play them.

    Edit: Also to address your first comment, high elves do receive more attention in game and in the books than blood elves do. And when blood elves are given attention, high elves seem to always be involved. I'm not referring to gameplay.
    That there are High Elves in the Alliance is irrelevant. They are the exact same race as the Blood Elves and are different in only one respect, political alignment.

    In other words, playable High Elves bring nothing unique to the game and the experience of playing a traditional thalassian elf is already available. The Void Elf variant has a distinct theme and look all of it's own. This is why they were made available.

    The developers are not wrong in using the Alliance High Elves as a story tool, as they are clearly intended and have always been intended to be. If some players wish to persist in misinterpreting the Alliance High Elves as anything other than a story tool, then that is unfortunate but cannot be helped.

    As for the 'attention' they have received, the Alliance High Elves have never carried a story by themselves or for themselves. This demonstrates that they are just a story tool. Any future story involving the Alliance High Elves will have them playing a role in the Blood Elf or Void Elf storylines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Obelisk Kai View Post
    That there are High Elves in the Alliance is irrelevant. They are the exact same race as the Blood Elves and are different in only one respect, political alignment.

    In other words, playable High Elves bring nothing unique to the game and the experience of playing a traditional thalassian elf is already available. The Void Elf variant has a distinct theme and look all of it's own. This is why they were made available.

    The developers are not wrong in using the Alliance High Elves as a story tool, as they are clearly intended and have always been intended to be. If some players wish to persist in misinterpreting the Alliance High Elves as anything other than a story tool, then that is unfortunate but cannot be helped.

    As for the 'attention' they have received, the Alliance High Elves have never carried a story by themselves or for themselves. This demonstrates that they are just a story tool. Any future story involving the Alliance High Elves will have them playing a role in the Blood Elf or Void Elf storylines.
    Your story tool statement is extremely subjective considering the amount of races that receive little to no attention, yet are playable. Everyone is a story tool then.
    The devs are not wrong to use high elves as a story tool, but they are wrong to constantly use them and then act surprised when people want to play them.

    Anywho, my point stands that high elves have been the center of attention in the alliance along with humans, you can't deny that. And that alone is a reason to request them being playable.
    There's not a single unplayable race in the horde that's receiving the same treatment as high elves. Also why are you including your speculations about their future? You don't know what's going to happen, keep things in the present please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darththeo View Post
    Alliance High Elves get no where close to as much attention has Humans ... maybe Dwarves or Gnomes ... but Humans get so much Alliance attention it ain't funny. I don't have a problem with High Elves potentially being playable, but don't use hyperbole.
    I agree that humans receive alot more attention, though high elves are easily in line behind humans regarding attention lorewise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grythletubs View Post
    Your story tool statement is extremely subjective considering the amount of races that receive little to no attention, yet are playable.
    By virtue of being playable, a race is conferred the status of being a major and important part of it's faction. Every race that makes up the Alliance has at one point or another carried a narrative that contributed to the overall plotline. Some races have done so to a lesser degree than others, but they still did it.

    The unplayable Alliance High Elves have never done that and have merely served as a glorified prop thus far. A prop for the Blood Elves. A prop for the Kirin Tor. A prop for Jaina. And now a prop for Alleria and the Void Elves. But never by themselves.


    Quote Originally Posted by Grythletubs View Post
    Everyone is a story tool then.
    The devs are not wrong to use high elves as a story tool, but they are wrong to constantly use them and then act surprised when people want to play them.
    The devs are not surprised by the desire. That some people wish to play Alliance High Elves is not a fact they have suddenly become aware of, they have known about it for many years. They simply have no wish to grant that desire because of the damage it would do to the divide between the factions and because Alliance High Elves are redundant as an option for a playable race, given that High Elves are already playable.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grythletubs View Post
    Anywho, my point stands that high elves have been the center of attention in the alliance along with humans, you can't deny that. And that alone is a reason to request them being playable.
    Actually I very easily can. I have several Alliance characters and leveled one as recently as last year. During my travels on my Alliance Hunter I found that I was predominantly dealing with Humans and to a lesser extent Night Elves and Dwarves. Draenei began to heavily predominate as I moved into Draenor and Legion content for obvious reasons. Gnomes and Worgen were also healthily represented.

    The few High Elves I encountered stood out because I was specifically looking for this 'massive' High Elf presence within the Alliance. I encountered a few, but mostly related to the Silver Covenant as i expected.

    All playable races within the Alliance, the real Alliance, were adequately represented.

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    There's not a single unplayable race in the horde that's receiving the same treatment as high elves.
    Undead Elves.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grythletubs View Post
    Also why are you including your speculations about their future? You don't know what's going to happen, keep things in the present please.
    If we keep it to the present then Alliance High Elves have been ruled out without any possibility of being added. You can't limit the discussion to the present without conceding the discussion entirely.

    Your prospects in the future are almost as bleak but we have to entertain they hypothetical if exceptionally unlikely maybe. After all, we have Blizzard's rationale for not adding playable High Elves. They would be basically identical to Blood Elves. All attempts at reimagining them have just been attempts at reinventing the wheel, they don't go far enough whereas Void Elves did go far enough.

    So either Alliance High Elves will be the equivalent of reinventing the wheel so that it isn't round or Blizzard has to be convinced that the faction wall isn't important anymore.

    Given the former is impossible, you must aim for the later and hope to convince Blizzard to dismantle the two most iconic factions in videogaming, which is the consequence of the removal of the faction wall. Good luck with that one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Obelisk Kai View Post
    Undead Elves.
    Such pompous blathering and then this ^. Equating Undead Elves to Alliance High Elves then trying to say Pro-HE fans are the ones reaching.

    There continues to be no equivalent Horde group comparable to the High Elves of the Silver Covenant. Having continuous story progression as a consistent group and consists of an unplayable race of its Faction alignment.

    Undead Elves simply being a "prop" under what Obelisk constitutes as a prop (npcs just being placed there) makes them unequal to Silver Covenant High Elves. Nor those Allerian Stronghold High Elves, nor Highvale Elves.

    All of those Alliance High Elves have their own stories. What specific stories do Undead Elves have since WoW and before BfA?
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    The main story of the High Elves is still "went Hordin', see ya." Isn't it, since Burning Crusade?

    I don't think there needs to be an "equivalent group" to justify the thought.
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    Maybe give the Alliance High Elves touched by the void! That would be so cool.

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    @Obelisk Kai You don't even have an excuse for this. Stop hiding behind fallacies, you have to explain your points like everyone else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Obelisk Kai View Post
    By virtue of being playable, a race is conferred the status of being a major and important part of it's faction. Every race that makes up the Alliance has at one point or another carried a narrative that contributed to the overall plotline. Some races have done so to a lesser degree than others, but they still did it.

    The unplayable Alliance High Elves have never done that and have merely served as a glorified prop thus far. A prop for the Blood Elves. A prop for the Kirin Tor. A prop for Jaina. And now a prop for Alleria and the Void Elves. But never by themselves.




    The devs are not surprised by the desire. That some people wish to play Alliance High Elves is not a fact they have suddenly become aware of, they have known about it for many years. They simply have no wish to grant that desire because of the damage it would do to the divide between the factions and because Alliance High Elves are redundant as an option for a playable race, given that High Elves are already playable.



    Actually I very easily can. I have several Alliance characters and leveled one as recently as last year. During my travels on my Alliance Hunter I found that I was predominantly dealing with Humans and to a lesser extent Night Elves and Dwarves. Draenei began to heavily predominate as I moved into Draenor and Legion content for obvious reasons. Gnomes and Worgen were also healthily represented.

    The few High Elves I encountered stood out because I was specifically looking for this 'massive' High Elf presence within the Alliance. I encountered a few, but mostly related to the Silver Covenant as i expected.

    All playable races within the Alliance, the real Alliance, were adequately represented.



    Undead Elves.



    If we keep it to the present then Alliance High Elves have been ruled out without any possibility of being added. You can't limit the discussion to the present without conceding the discussion entirely.

    Your prospects in the future are almost as bleak but we have to entertain they hypothetical if exceptionally unlikely maybe. After all, we have Blizzard's rationale for not adding playable High Elves. They would be basically identical to Blood Elves. All attempts at reimagining them have just been attempts at reinventing the wheel, they don't go far enough whereas Void Elves did go far enough.

    So either Alliance High Elves will be the equivalent of reinventing the wheel so that it isn't round or Blizzard has to be convinced that the faction wall isn't important anymore.

    Given the former is impossible, you must aim for the later and hope to convince Blizzard to dismantle the two most iconic factions in videogaming, which is the consequence of the removal of the faction wall. Good luck with that one.
    With trolls and taurens being props to orcs, yet they're playable. Thank you for proving my point.

    You don't know the "damage" it would cause.

    I'm not referring to your questing experience, I'm referring to the lore in which high elves are very present in pretty much every expansion, cinematic and book. Also the allied races don't make an appearance during your questing experience except for a few DI dwarves and AU orcs, so by that logic the allied races are a huge mistake and shouldn't exist.

    I would gladly support the addition of undead elves though...that being said, I haven't seen undead elves having their own factions/settlements like high elves have so I don't think that's really comparable. The forsaken is unique in that way since they're more than one race within a race and are the only group to be lead by an unplayable race.

    What I'm trying to say is your assumptions of the future lore are meaningless in this discussion, like I said, stick to the present. You are not a Blizzard writer, you're not a Blizzard emissary.

    Regarding this faction wall that'll supposedly be destroyed with the addition of high elves, have you completely ignored the fact that Blizzard added night elves to the horde? The alliance got a purple blood elves, while the horde got same skin colored night elves. The equivalent to the nightborne could have easily been high elves and would have made more sense then asspull void elves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grythletubs View Post
    Regarding this faction wall that'll supposedly be destroyed with the addition of high elves, have you completely ignored the fact that Blizzard added night elves to the horde? The alliance got a purple blood elves, while the horde got same skin colored night elves. The equivalent to the nightborne could have easily been high elves and would have made more sense then asspull void elves.
    He will somehow deflect this by saying "they're different enough" or some shit even though there's a literal quest titled, "Not our Purple Elves" for Alliance in which they go against Nightborne.

    Therefore showing that Purple Elves which used to be unique to Alliance are not unique to them anymore.

    By this logic, doesn't matter if it's High Elves or other types of Elves, Ion's reasoning on "fair skin" staying unique to Horde is already stupid in its own right.

    By this logic, "fair skin elves" shouldn't be unique to Horde either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlubberPuddy View Post
    Such pompous blathering and then this ^. Equating Undead Elves to Alliance High Elves then trying to say Pro-HE fans are the ones reaching.

    There continues to be no equivalent Horde group comparable to the High Elves of the Silver Covenant. Having continuous story progression as a consistent group and consists of an unplayable race of its Faction alignment.

    Undead Elves simply being a "prop" under what Obelisk constitutes as a prop (npcs just being placed there) makes them unequal to Silver Covenant High Elves. Nor those Allerian Stronghold High Elves, nor Highvale Elves.

    All of those Alliance High Elves have their own stories. What specific stories do Undead Elves have since WoW and before BfA?
    Yes, Dark Rangers which for the most part appear as undead High Elf/Blood Elf totally not like Alliance High Elves.

    As for your question, *points to Sylvanas who is literally an undead Elf* ... the current leader of the Horde is literally an unplayable race. You can play ever major leader in the alliances race. Honestly, Undead Elf and High Elf are pretty easily to state are even ... yes, more background High Elves exist than undead elves, but undead elves by definition are more important to the Horde than High Elves to the Alliance.
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    Wow, this thread is still going? Hey Blizzard reps, it's me, the guy that fought for taller Zandalari and thanks for listening to us about that. Can you do me another favor, I was wondering if you could add blue glowing eyes to the Blood Elves like you did the golden ones. I think it would help you get the point to these people, and it is a simple addition, just an emission color change on a model. 320 pages so far, I don't get it.
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    Void Elves are closer to High Elves than Nightborne are to night elves. If you're honestly going to argue that they're the same, you should have no problem accepting Void Elves as a substitute. It's not a deflection, it's a issue of degree. If I want to play out my Malfurion fantasy on the Horde, I'm going to have a hard time, because actual night elves aren't on the Horde. Nightborne have transformed physically and culturally over the course of 10000 years. High Elves took an extended internship in Stormwind. It's just not comparable.

    The role of High Elves in the story is only a small issue in the question of whether or not they should be playable, and the solution to that problem with the fewest drawbacks is to simply feature them less going forward, either by leaving them as they are or by concluding their story.

    Personally, though, I just don't think Blizzard is willing to sacrifice a part something unique to WoW for a fantasy trope. Blizzard shouldn't be forced into creating a more familiar fantasy universe; it's the things that make WoW different that make it interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darththeo View Post
    Yes, Dark Rangers which for the most part appear as undead High Elf/Blood Elf totally not like Alliance High Elves.

    As for your question, *points to Sylvanas who is literally an undead Elf* ... the current leader of the Horde is literally an unplayable race. You can play ever major leader in the alliances race. Honestly, Undead Elf and High Elf are pretty easily to state are even ... yes, more background High Elves exist than undead elves, but undead elves by definition are more important to the Horde than High Elves to the Alliance.
    What was being disputed was that there isn't a single unplayable race on Horde side that receives the treatment High Elves do. Sylvanas's story I'd argue doesn't equal the story of the Undead Elves. They are just there in the sidelines, a force that's needed whenever Sylvanas sends them to do something.

    The Alliance High Elves, specifically the group of Silver Covenant have their own stories progressing them further on, we see that there is infighting between them and Sunreavers in MoP. That they hate the Blood Elves with a passion during BC. Then that they're part of the overtaking of Suramar. Then there are those Highvale Elves which are shown to have given up magic out right.

    Those are some pretty major events that show/explore/progress the Alliance High Elf story. Is it much? No, of course not. And it makes sense given their previously stated smaller population. They aren't a major race and of course shouldn't be getting major race equivalent story progression. Yet that is enough for uniquely them to still have stories moved forward and on this topic of Allied Races.

    It's a stark difference than looking at Undead Elves who are mostly just NPCs fitting as soldiers. You could replace the Undead Elves with Forsaken Undead Humans and it would not change much of anything for their story or Sylvanas's story. Because again, her story is not the story of Undead Elves specifically.

    This can't be said for the situations that Alliance High Elves have found themselves in. You cannot switch TBC Alliance High Elves out to show their animosity against Blood Elves, the Purge of Dalaran is another incident that's showcasing the animosity between the 2 Thalassian Elf groups. Elisande's comment to the Quel'dorei can only make sense to Alliance High Elves and not any other Elf group. Also neither does the story of the group of Highvale Elves makes sense with any other race or elf group, since it was specifically dealing with the magic addiction of Thalassian Elves and being away from the Sunwell and/or trying to stave off the magic cravings.

    Not sure how Undead Elves "by definition" are more important to the Horde. We see in BFA that there are Forsaken Guards used by Sylvanas. You place Undead Elves there, it would make no difference. They're completely interchangeable with the game content we know to date.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Anax View Post
    Wow, this thread is still going? Hey Blizzard reps, it's me, the guy that fought for taller Zandalari and thanks for listening to us about that. Can you do me another favor, I was wondering if you could add blue glowing eyes to the Blood Elves like you did the golden ones. I think it would help you get the point to these people, and it is a simple addition, just an emission color change on a model. 320 pages so far, I don't get it.
    They just internally changed their file names for High Elves and Blood Elves to keep them separate and not have what's happened in the past where some Blood Elves would spawn with Blue Eyes and some High Elves with Green Eyes.

    They've specifically made this change so that High Elves don't spawn with Gold Eyes and so that Blood Elves made going forward won't run into having Blue Eyes.

    So I'd say it's safe to say "Blue Eye Blood Elves" won't ever happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yzak View Post
    Farstriders were founded around the time of the Troll Wars and the Magisters are speculated to have been founded around the time of the founding of Silvermoon; unless I'm missing some vital info, how the hell are those the least BE things? They are foundations of High Elf culture and according to Blizzard and lore Blood Elves are High Elves.

    Wtf are you on about?
    Other races in warcraft have magisters and rangers, they are not exclusively BE, the farstrider name is what make farstriders blood elven.

    Goddamn even Nightborne had somekind of rangers.

    Is not my problem if you can't see this, a magister is not an exclusive blood elf thing, Bloodnight are an exclusive BE thing (using the light by manipulating it instead of get it by their convictions and believfs), not paladins.

    Come on dude, this is common lore knowledge...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Obelisk Kai View Post
    Actually I very easily can. I have several Alliance characters and leveled one as recently as last year. During my travels on my Alliance Hunter I found that I was predominantly dealing with Humans and to a lesser extent Night Elves and Dwarves. Draenei began to heavily predominate as I moved into Draenor and Legion content for obvious reasons. Gnomes and Worgen were also healthily represented..
    So basically if you don't see something it doesn't exist.

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