Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[cocomen2]

i hope to get high elfs ali, and undead elfs horde (make this dream true)

[FlubberPuddy]

Even typical Dark elves aren't locked into a role like Void elves are.
Take Everquest 2, you can have Dark elves becoming good and being Paladins and whatnot.

Void elves however, are forced to have taken a path leading them to the Void and to have to fight the whispers and all that entails. It's my biggest issue, it's really limiting for a race to have all of them virtually come from the same place and be warped by the same power.

Even Lightforged aren't that limited as they can have several origin stories.

This I agree with, it's one of the many reasons Void Elves can't be a compromise for High Elves. Something the Developers themselves haven't even stated. They continually assert that these are a type of Blood Elves.

Besides, by nature a compromise involves two parties getting partly what the other wanted after hearing each other out. That's not what happened here at all, Void Elves from their very inception to now have been solely a Blizzard decision, from people like Shani Edwards to mentioning they were something new the artists wanting to do to Ion Hazzikostas saying they're to give something like a Blood Elf to the Alliance.

Backed up by John Hight stating that they're trying to give Alliance and Horde races that each lack that one of them already has in spades, etc.

[Enkrypt]

I pointed a hundred times where he lied. The population issue, the years of not having allied races, the criteria for allied races, the faction wall destruction, the whole 'a dev can't be wrong ever', and much more bullshit he was throwing here in the course of the thread, i'm not in the mood now to search for it, but it's there.

Ohh, and i'm not going to forget his denying of B4A being a 'last hurrah' for the faction war, it came from a mouth of a developer in an interview, they were not completely right with everything they said?

And you are doing another fallacy (faulty comparison), doesn't matter how long is this thread, Obelisk comes here and throws bunchs and bunchs and bunchs of walls of text, do you think that encourages people to discuss? it just makes the discussion blurs in a rain of words, and ohh, that's called an ad nauseum.

And no my little dear, i'm not repeating what others say, sadly for you (and unlike you i imagine) i think by myself.

First of all, you basically pointed your finger and said "He's lying!" which amounts to about fuck-all. He used events and statements that actually happened, that are verifiable. You did not. Sorry, you lose. Sure, I bet you're "not in the mood". You didn't formally disprove anything, don't bother searching. I read it all. You just pitched tantrums because of your agenda being disproven. Like, a few times.

It's spelled ad nauseam. Ad nauseam is when a conversation, argument, or discussion has endured to the point of causing nausea. I can think of no better description for the High Elf megathread than ad nauseam. I don't know what nonsense you're pretending to know, but it's wrong. Faulty comparison? Wut?

Trying to belittle others still to no avail? This time with the super pedophile "little dear" remarks? And you want to talk about fallacies. You're too rookie for me, man. Rookie mistakes...

[Aldo Hawk]

First of all, you basically pointed your finger and said "He's lying!" which amounts to about fuck-all. He used events and statements that actually happened, that are verifiable. You did not. Sorry, you lose. Sure, I bet you're "not in the mood". You didn't formally disprove anything, don't bother searching. I read it all. You just pitched tantrums because of your agenda being disproven. Like, a few times.

It's spelled ad nauseam. Ad nauseam is when a conversation, argument, or discussion has endured to the point of causing nausea. I can think of no better description for the High Elf megathread than ad nauseam. I don't know what nonsense you're pretending to know, but it's wrong. Faulty comparison? Wut?

Trying to belittle others still to no avail? This time with the super pedophile "little dear" remarks? And you want to talk about fallacies. You're too rookie for me, man. Rookie mistakes...

Oh my god can you be more hurted?

Is not my problem that you look at my finger when i point something, you even say that this thread is so long and then acuse me of not having points for not wanting to search them in the thread, and you even accuse me of being pedophile for say 'little dear', are you on your mind?

And yes, Obelisk uses ad nauseam for blur the thread, even making 10 paragraphs from a single thing without explaining more in those paragraphs, that, is, called, ad nauseam. (thanks for pointing my grammar error btw).

Sorry little dear, but if you want to be taken seriously, don't seem so hurted, i don't want to discuss someone who seems so unstable.

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The fact that people like Obelisk have to come in and continually "remind people it won't happen" means they aren't confident enough by Ion's own response. Otherwise they wouldn't be trying so hard to stamp out people's request/hope. <-- and that is exactly the purpose of posts like Obelisk's and a few others.

He is not, that's for sure, it's impossible that someone makes those claims with a straight face.

[Enkrypt]

Oh my god can you be more hurted?

Is not my problem that you look at my finger when i point something, you even say that this thread is so long and then acuse me of not having points for not wanting to search them in the thread, and you even accuse me of being pedophile for say 'little dear', are you on your mind?

And yes, Obelisk uses ad nauseam for blur the thread, even making 10 paragraphs from a single thing without explaining more in those paragraphs, that, is, called, ad nauseam. (thanks for pointing my grammar error btw).

Sorry little dear, but if you want to be taken seriously, don't seem so hurted, i don't want to discuss someone who seems so unstable.

So instead of making an argument, you're going to appeal to a falsehood that I'm not stable or my feelings are hurt? You're aware that's another logical fallacy, right?

I think you just KO'd yourself with that last post. Talk about a deflection. I think you're done for the day.

[Theoris]

Is this thread still alive and people still discuss this topic?

This topic will be discussed until either Blizzard caves in and give people SC high elves or WoW shuts down. Would be interesting to see if this thread will still be around if or when (respectively) that happens.

[Darththeo]

The Void Elves are a matter of debate. It is heavily implied that the Void Elves are able to convert other thalassian elves willing to join their cause into Void Elves. If this is true, then the Void Elves would easily at this point outnumber the remaining Alliance High Elves as they would be able to draw from both groups to boost their numbers.

While informed speculation only, you cannot do the same thing for Alliance High Elves given that Blizzard has been very vocal and very consistent in letting us know they are almost all dead and that the survivors are likely interbreeding with humanity.

I personally don't bring up LFDraenei as they seem to be at least as numerous as the base race if not more so.

However, we know they are "recruiting" Blood Elves and High Elves, we have no idea if they are making more Void Elves. We can either speculate they are, or they are looking for like minded elves to join their cause. Even if they are recruiting and converting Blood Elves and High Elves into Void Elves it doesn't mean they A) do outnumber High Elves or B) ever will outnumber High Elves. What matters also is right now, they don't ... that isn't speculation that's a fact. They were a small group of Blood Elves that were converted into Void Elves ... there could be more Void Elves in the Future than High Elves, but right now there isn't.

Also, Blizzard has stated point blank that half elves like all half races are rare ... so High Elves aren't likely interbreeding with Humans.

[Sigxy]

The fact that people like Obelisk have to come in and continually "remind people it won't happen" means they aren't confident enough by Ion's own response. Otherwise they wouldn't be trying so hard to stamp out people's request/hope. <-- and that is exactly the purpose of posts like Obelisk's and a few others.

That's... not how it works... you know that, right...?

Right now what you're asking for, is that you want 100% pro high-elves on this thread and people are not allowed to speak against your thoughts. If you want that - go make your own forums.

[Aldo Hawk]

So instead of making an argument, you're going to appeal to a falsehood that I'm not stable or my feelings are hurt? You're aware that's another logical fallacy, right?

I think you just KO'd yourself with that last post. Talk about a deflection. I think you're done for the day.

Falsehood? Read your own post my dude, it seems wrote with anger.

I don't like to waste energy arguing with unstable people that can only provide anger and hate.

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That's... not how it works... you know that, right...?

Right now what you're asking for, is that you want 100% pro high-elves on this thread and people are not allowed to speak against your thoughts. If you want that - go make your own forums.

And what about wanting people with all kind of opinions but without goddamn biases and clear anger about the thread?

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Also, Blizzard has stated point blank that half elves like all half races are rare ... so High Elves aren't likely interbreeding with Humans.

High Elves are interbreeding with humans, the answer is: In what degree? and untill now we can't tell, there is the windrunner sisters and Elisande's hateful commentary, but that doesn't give a clear point about that.

[Strippling]

To those still pushing the pro-high elf agenda: Your persistence is acknowledged... but bloody hell some people are starting to sound like a child throwing a fit because their mummy bought them a blue Popsicle, not the red one.

As much as high elfs might sound plausible to be playable and as much as they are a popular request for some players, at the end of the day it does feel like their inclusion as an AR would blur faction identity too much. Unfortunately I think people need to accept that this is the way the story has been written, and that light skinned thalassian elfs are and will always be a core part of the Horde... not the Alliance.

[Enkrypt]

Falsehood? Read your own post my dude, it seems wrote with anger.

No argument. Only more of that, "I'm right and Blizzard's wrong." nonsense. Noted.

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To those still pushing the pro-high elf agenda: Your persistence is acknowledged... but bloody hell some people are starting to sound like a child throwing a fit because their mummy bought them a blue Popsicle, not the red one.

Indeed, this is the case. They claim Blizzard must be wrong. They claim lore. Yet here we are, with Blizzard saying they're too rare, and the lore stating that High Elves essentially joined Horde and became Blood Elves. The latest bit, and I hope you're sitting down, is that both the Night Elves and Nightborne are both purple. So, totally a precedent, right? That's that fine logic Blizzard is contending with.

I repeat, yet he we are.

[FlubberPuddy]

That's... not how it works... you know that, right...?

Right now what you're asking for, is that you want 100% pro high-elves on this thread and people are not allowed to speak against your thoughts. If you want that - go make your own forums.

That's exactly how it works. Someone who was confident that "High Elves would never be" from Ion's response would typically go: Finally he said it. It's done.

Then continue about their days not wasting time trying to still "convince others" it won't ever happen.

What Obelisk is doing is nothing other than trying to stamp out the discussion/people's hopes. He wants those who still strive for High Elves to be playable to stop wishing it so, he wants them to feel utterly defeated by Ion's statement. Which is why he has to keep trying to rub it in.

This isn't anything new, the moderators of this thread have even come in here and stated so that people who make comments such as this thread shouldn't be alive anymore or the constant berating of others needs to stop.

I'm not going to say the berating doesn't happen on both sides, so try not to focus on that too much.

The people who are still here discussing possibility of High Elves or come to leave comments hoping still that one day they are playable are doing just that, making their request still known EVEN WITH Ion's response.

It's not like the people who wish for High Elves are ignoring Ion's response. Some are saying he's incorrect, to say that means to acknowledge it in the first place.

Yet Obelisk and a few others like to hide behind that the people who are asking for High Elves are in "denial". Denial would be never acknowledging Ion's response in the first place.

But this is just a smokescreen to veil the blatant attempt and trying to end the discussion on High Elves, that's truly what he and a few others wish.

Because why else would people need to be "constantly reminded" about Ion's response when they are making their comments from acknowledging Ion's response.

That's exactly how it works and you know this as well yet try to feign ignorance and strawman me by saying I only want 100% pro HEs. When there are posters here that don't come with the sole purpose of stamping out hope/hating on the thread for existing yet still disagree with the notion of playable Alliance High Elves.

It's not about speaking against thoughts, it's about berating those that have a different opinion which certain anti-helf posters seem to do.

Again the mods of this website and thread have even acknowledged that this is going on in this thread so nice try.

[Byleth]

@FlubberPuddy - I'm an anti-heifer, but I'm NOT anti a fair skinned, traditional fantasy elf race being added to the alliance. I just don't think it should be high elves as they currently exist.

Don't make generalized, sweeping statements about anti-helfers goals.

Also, this is the High-Elf megathread. Claiming that it's for pro-helfers only, when in reality it's the one and only designated place to discuss the topic for both sides is not a good look.

[FlubberPuddy]

@FlubberPuddy - I'm an anti-heifer, but I'm NOT anti a fair skinned, traditional fantasy elf race being added to the alliance. I just don't think it should be high elves as they currently exist.

Don't make generalized, sweeping statements about anti-helfers goals.

Also, this is the High-Elf megathread. Claiming that it's for pro-helfers only, when in reality it's the one and only designated place to discuss the topic for both sides is not a good look.

It's not about speaking against thoughts, it's about berating those that have a different opinion which certain anti-helf posters seem to do.

Please re-read. I don't generalize at all. I've always used "certain" and "few" when describing the specific peeps I'm talking about.

EDIT: Here's from the previous post of mine before the more recent one I made.

and that is exactly the purpose of posts like Obelisk's and a few others.

[Doffen]

How about Vrykul Elves? Kval'dorei got a nice ring to it.

[FlubberPuddy]

How about Vrykul Elves? Kval'dorei got a nice ring to it.

That actually sounds pretty cool, Viking Elves? Hell yeah! (Please let them be Paladins)

[Doffen]

That actually sounds pretty cool, Viking Elves? Hell yeah! (Please let them be Paladins)

Yeah, they can be the sea elves right Kvaldir+elf=Kval'dorei!

[FlubberPuddy]

Yeah, they can be the sea elves right Kvaldir+elf=Kval'dorei!

I would actually love that so much. I pictured High Elves being near the sea sorta kind of like Kul'Tiras - where it was said before that High Elves were a part of.

So it's all very fitting

Kval'dorei!

[Strippling]

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Hell yeah! (Please let them be Paladins)

Comments like this (and many others similar to it) suggest that the pro-high elf rallies were more founded upon 'pushing to get the pretty light skinned elf model on the alliance...oh and who can also be a paladin', rather than their claims of 'it's not about the model, it's about the lore'. Lorewise high elfs were not paladins...

I don't see an issue with high elfs per se, but I do see an issue when people have been blindly willing to blur the faction lines (even though WoW is and always will be heavily focused around two opposing factions) just so they can have their coveted thalassian model on the blue side... whilst hiding behind the pretense of 'it's about muh lore'. If it's about the lore, then why is story progression for NPC high elfs not sufficient??

I understand some may not see an issue with requesting to play the light skinned thalassian model on alliance, but unfortunately to others this would detract from their faction identity (which you know... is a core aspect of this franchise). Although you or some others may not care about faction identity, I DO, many others do and Blizzard does too. So when you feel 'berated' because people like Obelisk express their views on the matter, please realise that your 'innocent' request is actually coming at the potential expense of others who value faction pride.

[Lumineus]

Lorewise high elfs were not paladins...

Uh, you might want to do further research before basing your entire finger-wagging post on such an audacious claim as this.