Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[Fyersing]

and when they did that? like never?

silver covenant elves still suck mana and are mages

and there are blood elves who priorize combat proficiency above magical ability, thats why they have warrior and hunters like the farstriders

there is no logical reson

This was already addressed earlier. You're going to need to fully read into a conversation before trying, half-heartedly at best, to poke holes in them.

The vast majority of HE's don't use magic, full stop. They sate their biological addiction by keeping something magical near them, or keeping themselves near something magical, but otherwise virtually all of them have dedicated themselves to naturalist lifestyles; that we still see HE's who utilize magic doesn't really detract from this general fact.

[Syegfryed]

This was already addressed earlier. You're going to need to fully read into a conversation before trying, half-heartedly at best, to poke holes in them.

nope i red all, the point still standm there is nothing the HE did the Blood don't did it

The vast majority of HE's don't use magic, full stop.

not the silver covenant ones, and the propost is "silver covenant" allied race

They sate their biological addiction by keeping something magical near them, or keeping themselves near something magical, but otherwise virtually all of them have dedicated themselves to naturalist lifestyles; that we still see HE's who utilize magic doesn't really detract from this general fact.

some of then just endure the hunger, marjory suck mana from magic objects

[Garfurion]

nope i red all, the point still standm there is nothing the HE did the Blood don't did it

Apart from living on another planet for +- 25 years in the case of the Alliance Expedition High Elves.

[matrix123mko]

This statement doesn't jive well with how variable any given population can become, especially when under duress. These people are all biologically identical:



A biological distinction doesn't have to exist for a population to self-express in entirely different ways.

It wouldn't be shocking to the senses if the HE's, having shifted their collective priorities away from magical ability and towards combat proficiency, present as being more physically robust than their kinfolk-in-red -- more fully cultivated by strenuous physicality. This militarism, in conjunction with a necessity to maintain allegiance with the Alliance, could easily be cited as explanation for the motivations of the HE's having clearly deviated (this process become more rapid recently) from venerating the creations (i.e. things, like Silvermoon or Sunwell) to exalting the creators (i.e. themselves, whatever they create going forward).

A model which is structurally similar, but more pragmatically athletic, and a culture which has chosen to distance themselves from things they had no part of (instead of retroactively laying claim to the achievements of their ancestors) -- on paper, this is strikingly different from Blood Elves (and Void Elves, who present as being BE's without common sense).

Kul'tirans have T H I C C bones so they are biologically different.

[Traycor]

Surprised at the effort put in for this, digging up that warcraft II nostalgia was a cheap shot, well done though.

Here's an image furthering on the idea that the High Elves in the Alliance can be part of an organization of "Rangers". These are kind of like Navy Seals and are not a defined class. Any class could be a Ranger. This works well because WoW has underutilized the Ranger motif, mainly because it didn't fit for all race/class combinations in the Hunter class. It's a very iconic concept that we don't really have, so it makes a lot of sense to give it to the High Elves.

[Blazindragon1737]

Hey i just wanted to say that I really like the idea of this post but i think it should maybe be the Highvale High Elves that live in the Hinterlands as the faction since the Silver Covenant is supposed to mostly military and wouldn't fit all the class roles.

I would also like to suggest looking at this page by Jokubas about the Stonemaul Ogres or basically just Ogres joining the Horde in general, I think it could give you a bunch more ideas such as class lore, hunters pet and just the setup. He even made a website for his Ogre passion and I really think you guys could help each other out in more ways than one by making a collaboration together of what could be the 2 next playable Races instead of an Allied one.

P.S. I can't post the links due to this being a new account.

I personally would like to see a new Alliance race I thought of and would like your opinion I called them the called the Glacialfur Cyclopes. They would be the size of Ogres, pretty hairy but not fully covered, have pretty big feet, maybe have two horns with one that is usually partially broken, have a neanderthal kind of face and one big eye obviously. They could come with a bunch of skin/fur color combos if more Tribes join as I'm trying to base them off of Cyclops, Yetis, Abominable Snowmen, Sasquatches, Bigfeet and Neanderthals which is the only none monster i just needed a face description. They could maybe even have dark green fur if they have a tribe which live near a swamp or dark purple fur for fantasy creatures similar to these monsters like the Purple People Eater or Swamp Monster

[Zorish]

oh i see topic moved to "HE" are thicker than BE because they refused magic
Hey people. "HE" didn't stop using magic! hello! They just refused to sate their hunger with fel power (wich ACTUALLY can make living creatuer "Thicker" yeah)!
And let's don't forget that BE leader is RANGER! Then he must be "thicker" too? And Liadrin who WEARING F**KING ARMOR AND BASH ENEMIES WITH SWORD AND SHIELD! I think "rangers" of Blood elves still there and they are trained enough to be like you say "muscular"? Stop being ridiculus already. BLOOD ELF NAME DIDN'T CHANGED ELVED APPEARANCE PHYSICALY! Only colors of their cloth and color of their eyes (after fel "rdiation" in the city)! They still elves! Even Rangers!

Update: Want to actually see "High Elves" without magic? Go for Withered. Yeah - THAT'S what happen with elf without magic at all. Your "glorious High Elves" still took magic! STILL! FROM OTHER SOURCES! LIKE DALARAN CITI OF MAGES ITSELF OR MAGICAL ARTIFACTS! Their "life" as you say would lead them to NOT being "muscular", but thinner! Like with withered! it's their Physiology wich require magic for them to live! Or do you think they will "adapt" during same generation? Don't make me laugh

With the reigniting of the Sunwell, the pangs of their magic addiction are being eased and more high elves are no longer tempted to succumb to it.[43]

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And yet noone raises an eyebrow over the speed of change in Orcs, BElfs, Forsaken and others?

speed of what? Orcs not long lived race like elves, Blood elves still have half of the city in ruins and part of their population were wiped during KT death and sunwell events during BC. They still not big in numbers O_o and VE separation lowered their numbers even more

[Lumineus]

That's your headcanon. Withered are Night Elves formerly tied to the Nightwell. High/Blood Elves have never been shown to wither. At worst those with weak constitution merely die. And before you bring up the Wretched, know that they are overdosed, not starved.

Incidentally, it's obvious that you're passionate about denying the possibility of playable High Elves, but talking down to people in all caps, especially when you don't even know what you're talking about, is more likely to make them want to shove a rusty nail through your eye socket than listen to anything you have to say.

[Zorish]

That's your headcanon. Withered are Night Elves formerly tied to the Nightwell. High/Blood Elves have never been shown to wither. At worst those with weak constitution merely die. And before you bring up the Wretched, know that they are overdosed, not starved.

Incidentally, it's obvious that you're passionate about denying the possibility of playable High Elves, but talking down to people in all caps, especially when you don't even know what you're talking about, is more likely to make them want to shove a rusty nail through your eye socket than listen to anything you have to say.

what? really? REALLY! YOU REALLY SAID THAT?! http://www.wowhead.com/npc=15965/duskwither-apprentice So this bastards are nothing and nonexistant?!
or this? http://www.wowhead.com/npc=15644/wretched-urchin
OKAY! i MAYBE made a mistake and CALLED them withered INSTEAD of Wretched. BUT THEY STILL THERE!

Edit: and yes - specialy FOR YOU. i am NOT against adding them playable (f**king world of elfcraft... do we really need 5 elven races?). i am against the idea that THEY ARE DIFFERENT FROM BLOOD ELVES! Because they are not! Not in the same generation! Not in the same generation of ELVES! who need catalyst or veeeery long time (or both) to change so drasticaly! And specialy! If you add "High elves" you add them to BOTH factions (or as race for aliance and customisation for Blood elves). Because blizzard said that Blood elves can "cleanse" from this "fel taint" in some time. Like... There is NO! LORE! REASON! FOR! THEM! TO BE DIFFERENT! That's my pont there.

[Torrasque]

If it does come out, I hope that you can simply pay money for their heritage armor. Leveling is annoying when you're forced to do it over and over again with all of these character races coming out. I'd pay for the content, the race, the boost, and the armor all separately if it meant saving my much more valuable time.

[Lumineus]

what? really? REALLY! YOU REALLY SAID THAT?! http://www.wowhead.com/npc=15965/duskwither-apprentice So this bastards are nothing and nonexistant?!
or this? http://www.wowhead.com/npc=15644/wretched-urchin
OKAY! i MAYBE made a mistake and CALLED them withered INSTEAD of Wretched. BUT THEY STILL THERE!

And what you fail to understand is that Wretched are the literal opposite of Withered! They took too much, too fast, and were transformed into fiends. Why do you think Quel'Lithien turned when they were "gifted" a powerful artifact, when they were just fine for years before that? SHOUTING DOESN'T MAKE YOU RIGHT!

[Zorish]

And what you fail to understand is that Wretched are the literal opposite of Withered! They took too much, too fast, and were transformed into fiends. Why do you think Quel'Lithien turned when they were "gifted" a powerful artifact, when they were just fine for years before that? SHOUTING DOESN'T MAKE YOU RIGHT!

first if you think every use of "shift" in internted is "shout" then you are wrong
second - okay. Even if it's "overuse" state, then please still SAY me for what reason "High elves" must look different from Blood elves or maybe even "bigger" than BE? From Liadrin or LTT who are RULLERS of the Blood elves and actually RANGER and PALADIN. Even if i mistaken in wretched, this still not change the fact that they are not different physicaly! And read second part of my post:

Edit: and yes - specialy FOR YOU. i am NOT against adding them playable (f**king world of elfcraft... do we really need 5 elven races?). i am against the idea that THEY ARE DIFFERENT FROM BLOOD ELVES! Because they are not! Not in the same generation! Not in the same generation of ELVES! who need catalyst or veeeery long time (or both) to change so drasticaly! And specialy! If you add "High elves" you add them to BOTH factions (or as race for aliance and customisation for Blood elves). Because blizzard said that Blood elves can "cleanse" from this "fel taint" in some time. Like... There is NO! LORE! REASON! FOR! THEM! TO BE DIFFERENT! That's my pont there.

[The Prince]

Love the effort put down on these concepts on how the High elves could look like without being just blood elves with blue eyes. I´m quite bummed out by Blizzards direction with these allied races and their continueous neglect of HE´s. In my eyes, most of allied races unveiled completely contradicts Blizzards rationale on the high elves. Void elves are the worst offender here, specially lorewise.

[Syegfryed]

Apart from living on another planet for +- 25 years in the case of the Alliance Expedition High Elves.

don't member the silver covenant lving for 25 years in outland

besides those are prob dead and/or forgotten by now

[Amunrasonther]

What about a gold variation of the jewelry that the Nightborne get for their ears?

[Traycor]

What about a gold variation of the jewelry that the Nightborne get for their ears?

That's an interesting idea. We'll have to think if there's a way to do it that would be different from Nightborn. Maybe if they were made of wood and feathers?

[Deleted]

The thing with various concepts based on just the Silver Covenant or just the Highvale are that they are too small. Imagine instead the Silver Covenant gathering all the scattered groups under one banner. The Silver Covenant would be the main military arm backed up by the other groups such as Mages from Dalaran and Rangers from Highvale.

you could then have inter-factions that push for more magic through the Dalarani or a less magic approach through the Highvale.

[Traycor]

Hey i just wanted to say that I really like the idea of this post but i think it should maybe be the Highvale High Elves that live in the Hinterlands as the faction since the Silver Covenant is supposed to mostly military and wouldn't fit all the class roles.

I would also like to suggest looking at this page by Jokubas about the Stonemaul Ogres or basically just Ogres joining the Horde in general, I think it could give you a bunch more ideas such as class lore, hunters pet and just the setup. He even made a website for his Ogre passion and I really think you guys could help each other out in more ways than one by making a collaboration together of what could be the 2 next playable Races instead of an Allied one.

P.S. I can't post the links due to this being a new account.

I personally would like to see a new Alliance race I thought of and would like your opinion I called them the called the Glacialfur Cyclopes. They would be the size of Ogres, pretty hairy but not fully covered, have pretty big feet, maybe have two horns with one that is usually partially broken, have a neanderthal kind of face and one big eye obviously. They could come with a bunch of skin/fur color combos if more Tribes join as I'm trying to base them off of Cyclops, Yetis, Abominable Snowmen, Sasquatches, Bigfeet and Neanderthals which is the only none monster i just needed a face description. They could maybe even have dark green fur if they have a tribe which live near a swamp or dark purple fur for fantasy creatures similar to these monsters like the Purple People Eater or Swamp Monster

@Jokubas Yes, his Ogre site is fantastic. Highvale High Elves are a great direction to go in. Silver Covenant has been very prominent in the story, but there are other groups of High Elves that might fit the "Ranger" creative direction better.



Your Cyclopes idea sounds pretty neat! Currently we have a Cyclops in game, along with the large Gronds or whatever they are called. I like the Sasquatch angle, but this seems like a very savage type of race to match with the Alliance. These races so far don't seem to get along with much of anyone.

I was thinking last night that once we have playable Kul'Tirans, they have a great skeletal rig that could be used to build Ogres from as an allied race instead of needing a whole new race. At least, if you drop the whole two headed thing.

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The main problem I have with that "Ranger" set is that it's some simple clothes and no armour.

[Traycor]

The thing with various concepts based on just the Silver Covenant or just the Highvale are that they are too small. Imagine instead the Silver Covenant gathering all the scattered groups under one banner. The Silver Covenant would be the main military arm backed up by the other groups such as Mages from Dalaran and Rangers from Highvale.

you could then have inter-factions that push for more magic through the Dalarani or a less magic approach through the Highvale.

Silver Covenant uniting the scattered High Elf groups is a wonderful direction. Especially if we found another group or two hidden in the woods, or Northeron/Greenwood. It would give some narrative weight to High Elves coming together as an Allied Race. This would also be a fun counterpoint to giving the Horde Forest Trolls. The High Elves could take on the Troll Hunter angle against their ancient enemy and the Forest Trolls could make their big push to retake their great empire that spanned the continent. OR you could give the Horde ogres (from the Kul'Tiran rig) and play up that two WCII races are making their big comeback for both factions. They could make some fun viral, nostalgic videos that would sell that. I can see the marketing team salivating now.

The main problem I have with that "Ranger" set is that it's some simple clothes and no armour.

A fair criticism. I was trying to fit that light, mobile feel of the WCII Ranger. It also helped that the outfit was general enough to match any class, since all Heritage Armor sets need to be class neutral. I'm sure individual players could mix/match their transmog to add bigger shoulders, boots, etc...

Do you think even a mage/priest Ranger should have more armor? Or do only the melee classes need beefing up?