Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[Obelisk Kai]

The same can be true of those adamantly against High Elves.

They said no for now. Now, let the Helfers have their fun and discuss how it is possible.

It isn't possible, that's our counter-point. You cannot make a High Elf that is distinguishable from Blood Elves without them ceasing to be High Elves, as Void Elves proved.

If the pro High Elf community wishes to 'have their fun' as you put it they can do so on the Legacy of Quel'thalas facebook page and discord, communities where they control membership and they can block anyone whom they don't like.

If you post here or on the official forums, you are going to encounter Anti High Elf posters who are going to point out all the flaws with the suggestions put forward in the pro High Elf echo chamber.

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Nah the sentence is totally fine, you should stop to play dumb and making things as they aren't, such as saying that someone at the starting of this thread threated others with mass shootings or telling me that i told someone to literally die.

I don't know about the ones threatening to kill themselves and i saw somebody wanting cancer for anti helfers (and i called him about), but what i'm really sure is that you hide behind the storm of information to make as people are totally crazy feeling free to twisting the means of what they said, and that is what somebody without principles do for trying to harass others by destroying their images.

Yes I was directed to that too because I was that target.

https://twitter.com/Twinbros20/statu...74985885364224

As I see it, your response was that I don't deserve cancer because when playable High Elves come I'm going to get 'crippling depression'.

That isn't a whole heck of a lot better than what the first guy was saying. I hate to disappoint you, but I will not be getting crippling depression. Both because a development in a video game isn't going to scar me for the rest of my life, and also because I don't believe I'll ever be in a position to find out.

Given the death threats against Ion and calls for his firing post interview and now individuals on the pro High Elf side wishing their opponents literally suffer a slow and agonising death, it seems there is a dark and rancid underbelly to the pro High Elf position that has formed as a result of the networking performed by that community.

Some of your pals need to take a long hard look at themselves.

[Darththeo]

It isn't possible, that's our counter-point. You cannot make a High Elf that is distinguishable from Blood Elves without them ceasing to be High Elves, as Void Elves proved.

If the pro High Elf community wishes to 'have their fun' as you put it they can do so on the Legacy of Quel'thalas facebook page and discord, communities where they control membership and they can block anyone whom they don't like.

If you post here or on the official forums, you are going to encounter Anti High Elf posters who are going to point out all the flaws with the suggestions put forward in the pro High Elf echo chamber.

No, it's merely you considered it impossible ... it isn't impossible. You see no acceptable answer, doesn't mean there isn't one.
Also, you haven't really pointed out "flaws" any more than they try to shut you down with your own opinion on the matter (this entire argument is pretty much 100% opinion) ... you stated your problem with their view and continue to harass them while complaining about being harassed.

[ExtremelyCrusty]

High Elves are never going to happen.

[KOUNTERPARTS]

High Elves are never going to happen.

Watch out - you may get infracted for such offensive rhetoric

[Obelisk Kai]

No, it's merely you considered it impossible ... it isn't impossible. You see no acceptable answer, doesn't mean there isn't one.
Also, you haven't really pointed out "flaws" any more than they try to shut you down with your own opinion on the matter (this entire argument is pretty much 100% opinion) ... you stated your problem with their view and continue to harass them while complaining about being harassed.

Let's get one thing clear, because this seems to be the main fallacy in this debate.

The pro High Elf side is the one that is 100% opinion, that opinion being High Elves should be playable for the Alliance.

The Anti High Elf side is based on evidence. In game evidence, out of game evidence, word of god, interviews with Chris Metzen. You bring something up, the Anti High Elf side has a fact based, sourced response.

This is why the majority of pro High Elf discourse is based around trying to argue why what a developer says doesn't matter, or what is in game doesn't count.

You have no sources or evidence of your own to rely upon.

So no, this discussion is not 100% opinion. Your side is 100% opinion. It's not my problem that there is nothing that is firm, nothing fact based, that the pro High Elf community can rely upon. That's why whenever I reply to someone asking for evidence, I have gotten only evasion. You can't answer me with facts because you have none.

Just an opinion.

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High Elves are never going to happen.

Yeah I would delete this, it is in fact infractionable to just come in and state that. You need to present an argument alongside it I believe.

[Darththeo]

Let's get one thing clear, because this seems to be the main fallacy in this debate.

The pro High Elf side is the one that is 100% opinion, that opinion being High Elves should be playable for the Alliance.

The Anti High Elf side is based on evidence. In game evidence, out of game evidence, word of god, interviews with Chris Metzen. You bring something up, the Anti High Elf side has a fact based, sourced response.

This is why the majority of pro High Elf discourse is based around trying to argue why what a developer says doesn't matter, or what is in game doesn't count.

You have no sources or evidence of your own to rely upon.

So no, this discussion is not 100% opinion. Your side is 100% opinion. It's not my problem that there is nothing the firm, nothing fact based, that the pro High Elf community can rely upon. That's why whenever I reply to someone asking for evidence, I have gotten only evasion. You can't answer me with facts because you have none.

Just an opinion.

Lies not make what you believed true ... the fact you listed "word of god" as part of the Anti-Helfer stance pretty much proves you are full of crap. Your view is no less opinion than the Pro-Helfers is just like them you have convinced yourself that your view is factual, it's still opinion.

My side is who really honestly cares if High Elves become playable ... I don't. If they do, fine ... if they don't, fine. I don't care if they are playable. My side is your are just as wrong as the pro-helfers but no argument will convince you of that reality.

The only good arguments against them are opinions and the only good arguments for them are opinions. The argument is literally one opinion against another.

[Syegfryed]

Lies not make what you believed true ... t

thats... ironic

[Aldo Hawk]

@Obelisk Kai sorry if the crippling depression thing seems too exagerated, but you know, it's a common joke in the internet, just look who retweeted my tweet, and i didn't even expected the retweet in the first place.

[Obelisk Kai]

Lies not make what you believed true ... the fact you listed "word of god" as part of the Anti-Helfer stance pretty much proves you are full of crap.

It is entirely true. Like it or not the developers have on multiple occasions ruled out playable Alliance High Elves.

Your entire project is based on trying to convince them to change their minds, which are currently set against playable Alliance High Elves.

Like I said, I can bring up multiple sources.

Like both Ion's interviews.

Or the time Chris Metzen said Blood Elves are Blizzard's spin on traditional High Elves.

And here you are again, offering only an opinion without backup.

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@Obelisk Kai sorry if the crippling depression thing seems too exagerated, but you know, it's a common joke in the internet, just look who retweeted my tweet, and i didn't even expected the retweet in the first place.

When I read that tweet I did a double take, not yours but the one that was responded to. It was disgusting.

Twinbros20 is foul beyond words for saying such a thing, and a thirty five year old man has no excuses.

So I have zero toleration for the pro High Elf community and their coordinated attacks on the opposition with filth like that.

And your response 'Cancer is too much, crippling depression instead!'.

[Darththeo]

It is entirely true. Like it or not the developers have on multiple occasions ruled out playable Alliance High Elves.

Your entire project is based on trying to convince them to change their minds, which are currently set against playable Alliance High Elves.

Like I said, I can bring up multiple sources.

Like both Ion's interviews.

Or the time Chris Metzen said Blood Elves are Blizzard's spin on traditional High Elves.

And here you are again, offering only an opinion without backup.

Would you like to know how I know you don't care about reality?

[Traveler Voltin]

Let's get one thing clear, because this seems to be the main fallacy in this debate.

The pro High Elf side is the one that is 100% opinion, that opinion being High Elves should be playable for the Alliance.

The Anti High Elf side is based on evidence. In game evidence, out of game evidence, word of god, interviews with Chris Metzen. You bring something up, the Anti High Elf side has a fact based, sourced response.

This is why the majority of pro High Elf discourse is based around trying to argue why what a developer says doesn't matter, or what is in game doesn't count.

You have no sources or evidence of your own to rely upon.

So no, this discussion is not 100% opinion. Your side is 100% opinion. It's not my problem that there is nothing that is firm, nothing fact based, that the pro High Elf community can rely upon. That's why whenever I reply to someone asking for evidence, I have gotten only evasion. You can't answer me with facts because you have none.

Just an opinion.

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Yeah I would delete this, it is in fact infractionable to just come in and state that. You need to present an argument alongside it I believe.

are you calling the mods bias?

[Obelisk Kai]

Would you like to know how I know you don't care about reality?

Not really but I am sure you're going to tell me anyway

[Darththeo]

Not really but I am sure you're going to tell me anyway

Because you keep asserting I am a Pro-Helfer. I am not. I honestly don't care if they are playable for the Alliance or not.
You seem to think anyone who argues against you holds the opposing view, that that frankly is nonsensical.

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High Elf fans are both delusional and disgusting.

Could you tell me wy are You actually insulting me, if we had never any conversation here?

I can not understand why wanting some lacking classical race, no matter if willing to compromise, no matter if willing to discussion, have to face so much agression and viollence.

Most of it I actually saw here turned against High Elf fans. To the point, that it stops to be not just discussion about fan made High elf concepts, but about Warcraft elves at all, and instead changes into strange tale about some wild monsters, weaved of examples of people provoked and teased for years.

It is easy to play such game, but there is nothing worth respect in playing it.

[Obelisk Kai]

Because you keep asserting I am a Pro-Helfer. I am not. I honestly don't care if they are playable for the Alliance or not.
You seem to think anyone who argues against you holds the opposing view, that that frankly is nonsensical.

Oh come off it. You argue consistently in favour of the pro High Elf opinion.

You do that, you're a pro High Elfer. If you don't care, then don't post. Because if you don't care then you are here only to participate in a flame war.

Because it is nonsensical to argue against a position if you don't have an emotional stake in the outcome. In the big referendum here in Ireland a few weeks back there wasn't a single person on either the for or against side who, after laying out the case for their position in a speech would end it by saying 'but I don't care either way so.'

[Darththeo]

Oh come off it. You argue consistently in favour of the pro High Elf opinion.

You do that, you're a pro High Elfer. If you don't care, then don't post. Because if you don't care then you are here only to participate in a flame war.

Because it is nonsensical to argue against a position if you don't have an emotional stake in the outcome. In the big referendum here in Ireland a few weeks back there wasn't a single person on either the for or against side who, after laying out the case for their position, ended by saying 'but I don't care either way so.'

Again, reality doesn't matter to you. Your view is correct and no argument will ever be good for you to convince you that you are wrong.

I have not put forth a Pro-helfer argument on why they should be playable. I have not once argued why they should be playable. I have argued against your reasons why they shouldn't, but that wouldn't mean I hold the opposing view.

I am not arguing for playability or against it ... I am arguing that Anti-helfers aren't more correct than Pro-Helfers. You are assuming what I am doing rather than listening which is what I think you are doing to the Pro-Helfers.

[FlubberPuddy]

Y'all, this thread started with some awesome potential to discuss things that could make High Elves stand out and worth it as an allied race. The OP has so many cool ideas in it, and there was clearly a lot of effort put into it. While we're not saying this has to be a "pro high elf" only thread, coming into here just to say "it's never happening" and stomp all over each other isn't okay.

It doesn't matter if the devs hypothetically do say that it will never happen. People are still allowed to speculate and have fun with ideas. A lot of you seem to only post in here to destroy that and rile others up, and that needs to stop.

I'm requoting this because some of y'all have seem to forgotten the purpose of this thread IS to HAVE FUN WITH IDEAS!

So all the talk of "if they want to speculate they can go do it in their Discord/Facebook group" can just get over themselves.

This thread is around for the purpose of sharing/talking about High Elf ideas, come in with disagreements sure that's cool too.

But to say people shouldn't be able to talk about High Elves in this thread SPECIFICALLY FOR HIGH ELVES is very much asinine.

If it's something that bothers you (general) to see people talking about something you (general) don't like then here's a very simple solution:

Don't enter the thread anymore.

Y'all have a nice day and stop being so sensitive over what's said, on both sides.

Besides, the only people that took actual action comes from the anti-Helf side where they deleted a Wiki section (but got caught) and then another time changed all artwork in a google drive full of High Elf artwork sent to Chris Robinson with drawings of anti-helf trolls killing high elves etc.

So one group have "said things" while another has actually "done things" --- but ultimately just stop being sensitive and stop focusing on attacking the persons.

Talk about High Elves (whether for or against or ideas or solutions or artwork or etc) or don't should be the main comments in this thread.

Not internet poster fights.

[Obelisk Kai]

Again, reality doesn't matter to you. Your view is correct and no argument will ever be good for you to convince you that you are wrong.

I have not put forth a Pro-helfer argument on why they should be playable. I have not once argued why they should be playable. I have argued against your reasons why they shouldn't, but that wouldn't mean I hold the opposing view.

I am not arguing for playability or against it ... I am arguing that Anti-helfers aren't more correct than Pro-Helfers. You are assuming what I am doing rather than listening which is what I think you are doing to the Pro-Helfers.

Reality matters fine to me. As I said, I use sources and evidence to back up my assertions.

And please, the fact that you haven't put forward a pro High Elf argument and instead focused on attacking my arguments as to why they shouldn't be playable? You think by doing that you don't qualify as a pro High Elf?

THE PRO HIGH ELF COMMUNITY DOES NOT HAVE AN ARGUMENT. They have a desire, but that is quite separate from a sourced argument.

Nothing they have ever said is backed up by word of god opinion, in game lore or anything substantial. In other words, by NOT put forwarding non-existant arguments and instead attacking all the sources supporting the anti High Elf side, all you've done is behave in exactly the same manner as almost every other pro High Elf commentator out there.

And you expected me to able to tell the difference?

[Darththeo]

Reality matters fine to me. As I said, I use sources and evidence to back up my assertions.

And please, the fact that you haven't put forward a pro High Elf argument and instead focused on attacking my arguments as to why they shouldn't be playable? You think by doing that you don't qualify as a pro High Elf?

THE PRO HIGH ELF COMMUNITY DOES NOT HAVE AN ARGUMENT. They have a desire, but that is quite separate from a sourced argument.

Nothing they have ever said is backed up by word of god opinion, in game lore or anything substantial. In other words, by NOT put forwarding non-existant arguments and instead attacking all the sources supporting the anti High Elf side, all you've done is behave in exactly the same manner as almost every other pro High Elf commentator out there.

And you expected me to able to tell the difference?

Sources that you then twist to say what you want and evidence that you interpret in your way ... you aren't different than the Pro-Helfer.

And no, because I either hold the opposing viewpoint or just merely disagree with your stance. I don't have to hold the opposing view to disagree with you.

[Obelisk Kai]

Sources that you then twist to say what you want and evidence that you interpret in your way ... you aren't different than the Pro-Helfer.

Not really, at least I have sources to apparently 'twist'.

Pro High Elfers can't twist sources because they've no sources.