Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[FlubberPuddy]

What exactly was you point with this? Regular Orcs are corrupted which is their distinction between them and the Mag'har, hence Mag'har being an allied race. Eredar and Draenie have no biological differences which is my point with Blood and High Elves.

Given that Blood Elf children are born with Fel eyes it looks like there is a biological difference, but slight. Just like the skin difference between Mag'har and Green Orcs.

Hell the Orcish culture of Mag'har are the same as current Green Orcs, so while High Elves and Blood Elves are physically and politically different, Orcs are just physically different yet that's enough to have them playable yet not enough to have High Elves on Alliance playable?

Yeah that's pretty much a great example of splitting hairs: Skin color is enough of a difference, but eye color isn't to make playable.

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You must be joking. You yourself having a conniption across this thread over the possibility of blue eyes for blood elves ("never gonna happen! it's impossible! just give up asking!" remind you of someone? ) gives the lie to this.

You must've missed the post after where I said this one thread is full of the same type of people who won't back down, that doesn't mean there's an army of Alliance players "throwing a hissy fit" as you and Friendly like to imply. I also never excluded myself when I typed that line, so I don't see the point you're trying to make.

Also read my earlier post about how they've changed the files to ensure Blue Eye Blood Elves don't happen.

So easy it is to see anti-helfers just jumping at the bits to find someone and go "Ah ha! I got you now!"

[Friendlyimmolation]

Oh you mean 350 pages of this thread full of the same people on both sides that can't back down? Sounds like another thread currently more active than this one

No one asks for anything "constantly" it's just the High Elf thing is highlighted right now due to getting Void Elves. I guarantee you if Void Elves weren't added there wouldn't be this much talk of High Elves that exploded after the fact.

Throughout the years of WoW High Elves have been a pretty frequent request, but it has come up that Horde players have asked for some Alliance races as well.

You can go ahead and read through this thread where the recent Alterac Human reddit thread was leaked.

I'm not gonna waste my time searching for evidence that's pretty easy to find and has been discussed to death.

And Blood Elves didn't reverse any effects, they just received a different magic source that doesn't require them to rely on Fel to feed their addiction.

If they were reversed they'd be reverting back to blue eyes and no mark of Fel would be a part of them. As it is, only Blood Elf Paladin and Priest NPCs will have the new Golden eyes, there will still be fel eyed Blood Elf NPCs because guess what? That's part of their people/culture.

You do realize blood elves never fed on fel to feed their addiction right? The only ones who did were killed in burning crusade. Fel was never part of their culture, no matter how hard you try to make it some big distinguishing factor.

[FlubberPuddy]

You do realize blood elves never fed on fel to feed their addiction right? The only ones who did were killed in burning crusade. Fel was never part of their culture, no matter how hard you try to make it some big distinguishing factor.

Fel was a part of their culture until the end of TBC, no matter how much you want to not make it some big distinguishing factor. It's what led to the split and that's why it matters for these purposes.

If that didn't matter then nearly all High Elves would go back to being with the Blood Elves wouldn't they?

[Friendlyimmolation]

Fel was a part of their culture until the end of TBC, no matter how much you want to not make it some big distinguishing factor. It's what led to the split and that's why it matters for these purposes.

If that didn't matter then nearly all High Elves would go back to being with the Blood Elves wouldn't they?

it's sad that ten year old lore is still somehow escaped by people, either that or you're seriously trying to peddle your fanfiction as canon.

The split was not about fel, it was about high elves throwing a hissy fit that they had to kill critters to sustain themselves. Fel was used to rebuild the city, nothing more.

[Kithelle]

It's cute that we have 339 pages of this discussion. I can undertand that somebody has very deep desire to get playable high elf, but why are people so determined to disagree? If they would add high elves, you won't be able to sleep for three years.

Because, it's a "It's mine and you can't have it" attitude from people.

[Varx]

Ok, this is the problem with you people. You do not know how to separate your Lore from you game play mechanics. No one is disputing the existence of High Elves and their involvement with the alliance. However, when it comes to PLAYABLE races the uncorrupted Thalasian Model belongs to the Horde. Since there is no physical distinction between both elven parties lore-wise, then that means playable High Elves would have to be identical to Blood Elves, (and no eye color is nowhere near as a significant difference as skin color) which from a game play perspective would be incredibly lazy especially if the Horde got a brand new reskin as their counter to High Elves.

The faction system is the Pillar of WoW and how players play the game. This is why its important that each faction has its own distinct identity to players and the races they're given to choose from is a core aspect of this experience. You wanna be a Dwarf, ok then You must be in the Blue team. Wanna live your fantasy as a Minotaur, well the Horde and its Tauren are waiting for you. Which brings me to Ion's comment about the Horde waiting for you if you wanna play an UNCORRUPTED Blond Majestic Elf.

Now Lore-wise this doesn't mean that every single Human in Azeroth believes in the Alliance, look at Khadgar. This also doesn't mean that every orc is strictly a Horde member. This is clearly shown with all the numerous neutral factions like the Argent Dawn. Does this mean Orcs should be a playable race on the alliance??

Hell the freaking 2nd in command for SI:7 is a fucking goblin. Who's to say there aren't more like him in their ranks? Does this mean the Alliance should get playable Goblins too? The sooner you guys accept that not everything in the lore can be available to Players the sooner you'll be happier with WoW.

[DeicideUH]

The fel corruption is noncanonical. There is no difference between the two. The blood Elves resorted to other ways to siphon arcane energy. Arcane is the opposite of fel.

Then explain felgreen eyes.

I understand they toned down a lot the fel usage in canon, but the blood elves were still using fel to rebuild Quel'thalas, enough to change their eyes, and that's canon, like it or not.

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Hell the freaking 2nd in command for SI:7 is a fucking goblin. Who's to say there aren't more like him in their ranks? Does this mean the Alliance should get playable Goblins too?

You are comparing a single NPC with a race that has more presence than some playable alliance races.

[Friendlyimmolation]

Because, it's a "It's mine and you can't have it" attitude from people.

Because begging for an enemy faction's race because you don't want to role said faction is a sensible request.

Your signature is akin to complaining they don't serve burgers at a suishi restaurant when there is a burger joint across the street.

[FlubberPuddy]

it's sad that ten year old lore is still somehow escaped by people, either that or you're seriously trying to peddle your fanfiction as canon.

The split was not about fel, it was about high elves throwing a hissy fit that they had to kill critters to sustain themselves. Fel was used to rebuild the city, nothing more.

You're not understanding what I am saying. The split that is now, is defined by one group of Thalassian Elves relying on Fel and the one that didn't. I'm not trying to say they call themselves Blood Elves for using Fel, but that Fel usage is what's being described as the deciding factor in differentiating High Elves and Blood Elves.

If it wasn't about that then High Elves should be also using Fel too right? Yet the only one known in existence is a Warlock Trainer, why? Because obviously they as a people do not use Fel magic.

[Magnagarde]

No, I assure you the statement had nothing to do with that, it was a shallow and generalized reference about Troll Paladins making as much as sense as Pandaren and that Zandalari would have been made so out of "rule of cool" alone.

Well, regardless of it all, Rezan being dead doesn't mean players can't bring the power of the light back into the fold for the Zandalari in the future. If Blizzard wants it to happen, it'll happen.

[Varx]

Then explain felgreen eyes.

I understand they toned down a lot the fel usage in canon, but the blood elves were still using fel to rebuild Quel'thalas, enough to change their eyes, and that's canon, like it or not.

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You are comparing a single NPC with a race that has more presence than some playable alliance races.

How many Void Elves existed before BfA? How many Nightborne, highmountain, lightforged existed before Legion and yet those are all playable now. Who's to say that he's the only goblin. For all we know There could be hundred of them or maybe a small squad. The point is with your logic then alliance should also be entitled to goblins and since Allied Race are a thing now then it should happen right.

This is the problem I have with Allied Races. Blizzard opened Pandora's box and now every wittle snowflake thinks their race fantasies have as much merit as anyone else. So now we got delusional people demanding 10 million reskins as a playable race. And even the ones wanting direct copy-pasts.

[Friendlyimmolation]

You're not understanding what I am saying. The split that is now, is defined by one group of Thalassian Elves relying on Fel and the one that didn't. I'm not trying to say they call themselves Blood Elves for using Fel, but that Fel usage is what's being described as the deciding factor in differentiating High Elves and Blood Elves.

If it wasn't about that then High Elves should be also using Fel too right? Yet the only one known in existence is a Warlock Trainer, why? Because obviously they as a people do not use Fel magic.

Fel usage isn't the deciding factor that differentiated them though, Blood elves drained magic from mana bearing vermin.

[Sluvs]

Given that Blood Elf children are born with Fel eyes it looks like there is a biological difference, but slight. Just like the skin difference between Mag'har and Green Orcs.

Hell the Orcish culture of Mag'har are the same as current Green Orcs, so while High Elves and Blood Elves are physically and politically different, Orcs are just physically different yet that's enough to have them playable yet not enough to have High Elves on Alliance playable?

Yeah that's pretty much a great example of splitting hairs: Skin color is enough of a difference, but eye color isn't to make playable.

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You must've missed the post after where I said this one thread is full of the same type of people who won't back down, that doesn't mean there's an army of Alliance players "throwing a hissy fit" as you and Friendly like to imply. I also never excluded myself when I typed that line, so I don't see the point you're trying to make.

Also read my earlier post about how they've changed the files to ensure Blue Eye Blood Elves don't happen.

So easy it is to see anti-helfers just jumping at the bits to find someone and go "Ah ha! I got you now!"

Yes, skin color is a WAY bigger difference than eye color. But here is the thing, there is also cultural differences and overall story that need to be take in account, high elfs hold the same beliefs, just different alliances and went through similar things. Those draenor orcs hold have lived in conflict in a uncorrupted outland, they refused demon blood and fought the light. There is a clear difference in story and what they bring to the story.

I'm not saying is not possible, but after the inclusion of void elves i would say that it's unlikely at best.

[FlubberPuddy]

Fel usage isn't the deciding factor that differentiated them though, Blood elves drained magic from mana bearing vermin.

And you try to imply pro-helfers are the ones in denial about lore. Fel usage is the exact reason Blood Elves have their green eye look and why High Elves do not. You're trying to focus so pinpointedly on the reason for the split, except that's not even the point of what's going on here which is discussing the looks and why the races are the way they are.

Just as Mag'har are brown because no Fel and current Orcs are Green because Fel.

So are High Elves blue eyed (no Fel) and Blood Elves green eyed (because Fel).

This isn't strictly about lore, if it were then High Elves could be added. The issue is and always has been in the looks department.

[Friendlyimmolation]

And you try to imply pro-helfers are the ones in denial about lore. Fel usage is the exact reason Blood Elves have their green eye look and why High Elves do not. You're trying to focus so pinpointedly on the reason for the split, except that's not even the point of what's going on here which is discussing the looks and why the races are the way they are.

Just as Mag'har are brown because no Fel and current Orcs are Green because Fel.

So are High Elves blue eyed (no Fel) and Blood Elves green eyed (because Fel).

This isn't strictly about lore, if it were then High Elves could be added. The issue is and always has been in the looks department.

Lore alone would have them not playable because there are so few, and it's been brought up time and time again by blizzard how few of them remain, how they don't even have any large groups anymore.

If you want to base it solely on looks, you're beat there too. They made it quite clear your not getting a copy paste of a horde race with blue eyes, something that isn't even high elf exclusive.

[FlubberPuddy]

Yes, skin color is a WAY bigger difference than eye color. But here is the thing, there is also cultural differences and overall story that need to be take in account, high elfs hold the same beliefs, just different alliances and went through similar things. Those draenor orcs hold have lived in conflict in a uncorrupted outland, they refused demon blood and fought the light. There is a clear difference in story and what they bring to the story.

I'm not saying is not possible, but after the inclusion of void elves i would say that it's unlikely at best.

High Elves didn't hold the same beliefs though. When it came to the Light they believed in it similar to how Humans and Dwarves believed in it, the way Blood Elves believed in the Light was through taking it by force through a Light entity.

On another note they chose to hold loyalties to their friends rather than their family (whether this is correct is up for debate).

And ofc there was the difference of fel usage similar to Mag'har and green Orcs the Horde have.

[Deleted]

Fel was a part of their culture until the end of TBC, no matter how much you want to not make it some big distinguishing factor. It's what led to the split and that's why it matters for these purposes.

Again, this is completely wrong. The majority of the modern Alliance's high elves spit off from the rest of their race to integrate into the Alliance a decade or so before blood elves were even a thing. And again, for the group that did leave Quel'Thalas after the name change, it was never about fel. To quote literally the only character in the entire canon who talks about this, their BC-era disagreement came down to this:

"Five years we rot here, thrown out of our homes at your behest because we refuse to suck magic from living things like vampires."

That's all that's said. It had nothing to do with fel. Fel was nothing more than a tool the magisters used to rebuild SMC without the Sunwell to do it (the devs even explained that this was why the entire blood elf race got green eyes despite never touching the stuff)

[FlubberPuddy]

Lore alone would have them not playable because there are so few, and it's been brought up time and time again by blizzard how few of them remain, how they don't even have any large groups anymore.

If you want to base it solely on looks, you're beat there too. They made it quite clear your not getting a copy paste of a horde race with blue eyes, something that isn't even high elf exclusive.

Nah because we see that groups that have same culture can be added (Dark Iron) and (Mag'har). It's purely due to AR being about looks.

[DeicideUH]

How many Void Elves existed before BfA? How many Nightborne, highmountain, lightforged existed before Legion and yet those are all playable now. Who's to say that he's the only goblin. For all we know There could be hundred of them or maybe a small squad. The point is with your logic then alliance should also be entitled to goblins and since Allied Race are a thing now then it should happen right.

This is the problem I have with Allied Races. Blizzard opened Pandora's box and now every wittle snowflake thinks their race fantasies have as much merit as anyone else. So now we got delusional people demanding 10 million reskins as a playable race. And even the ones wanting direct copy-pasts.

Still none of your examples match the case of the high elves, which have existed since Warcraft 2 as part of the Alliance, and even when most of their race renamed themselves and went Horde, kept appearing regularly as Alliance NPCs and even had presence during specific storylines in almost every expansion.

[Varx]

Look the only way I can ever see Playable High Elves is the following.

9.0
Thalasian Elves are now neutral. Silvermoon, eversong, and ghostlands have had been revamped and added to the world. Silvermoon is being besieged by Vereesa and Alleria. At the culmination you character decides to be either a High Elf or a Blood Elf.

Void Elves are also Neutral and have a different starting experience.

Ogres replace Blood Elves in the Horde Roster

Redeemed Undead replace Void Elves in the Alliance Roster.

Demon Hunter starting experience has also been revamped to include more races to balance the shift of Blood Elves.