Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[FlubberPuddy]

Again, this is completely wrong. The majority of the modern Alliance's high elves spit off from the rest of their race to integrate into the Alliance a decade or so before blood elves were even a thing. And again, for the group that did leave Quel'Thalas after the name change, it was never about fel. To quote literally the only character in the entire canon who talks about this, their BC-era disagreement came down to this:

"Five years we rot here, thrown out of our homes at your behest because we refuse to suck magic from living things like vampires."

That's all that's said. It had nothing to do with fel. Fel was nothing more than a tool the magisters used to rebuild SMC without the Sunwell to do it (the devs even explained that this was why the entire blood elf race got green eyes despite never touching the stuff)

read where I replied to Friendly, you're doing the same thing he did.

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Look the only way I can ever see Playable High Elves is the following.

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Thalasian Elves are now neutral. Silvermoon, eversong, and ghostlands have had been revamped and added to the world. Silvermoon is being besieged by Vereesa and Alleria. At the culmination you character decides to be either a High Elf or a Blood Elf.

Void Elves are also Neutral and have a different starting experience.

Ogres replace Blood Elves in the Horde Roster

Redeemed Undead replace Void Elves in the Alliance Roster.

Demon Hunter starting experience has also been revamped to include more races to balance the shift of Blood Elves.

Or you could say since the Thalassian model is on Alliance now, there's a slightly higher chance of High Elves being added. Since currently, High Elves (as a group) ARE Alliance, just unplayable.

[Varx]

Still none of your examples match the case of the high elves, which have existed since Warcraft 2 as part of the Alliance, and even when most of their race renamed themselves and went Horde, kept appearing regularly as Alliance NPCs and even had presence during specific storylines in almost every expansion.

Ok fine you wanna use the RTS's. Night Elves were a neutral race in Warcraft 3. There are many neutral Night Elves in WoW, many of which are not aligned with Darnassus or the teachings of elune. Why can't the horde have Night Elves.

[Sluvs]

High Elves didn't hold the same beliefs though. When it came to the Light they believed in it similar to how Humans and Dwarves believed in it, the way Blood Elves believed in the Light was through taking it by force through a Light entity.

On another note they chose to hold loyalties to their friends rather than their family (whether this is correct is up for debate).

And ofc there was the difference of fel usage similar to Mag'har and green Orcs the Horde have.

They have the same architecture, the same looks, their culture is virtually the same with the exception of light(which some blood elves DO believe see priests and what not, hell, they have the BLOODY SUNWELL. Liadrin loves the light and they reformed the blood knights because of it)

The choice between friends or family is literally the ONLY separation between blood elf and high elf.

Fel as used to build the city, the divide was not about that. C'mon man, stop ignoring that.

[Varx]

read where I replied to Friendly, you're doing the same thing he did.

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Or you could say since the Thalassian model is on Alliance now, there's a slightly higher chance of High Elves being added. Since currently, High Elves (as a group) ARE Alliance, just unplayable.

Then WTF would be the Horde equivalent be? Green eyed Night Elves??

[FlubberPuddy]

Ok fine you wanna use the RTS's. Night Elves were a neutral race in Warcraft 3. There are many neutral Night Elves in WoW, many of which are not aligned with Darnassus or the teachings of elune. Why can't the horde have Night Elves.

They do in the form of the Nightborne.

And if that's not enough, please show me where there's a consistent group of Night Elves that side with Horde continually through multiple expansions.

^ That is what makes High Elves on Alliance different and no unplayable race on Horde can replicate that.

There is no equivalent consistent group like the Silver Covenant or High Elves that consist of an unplayable race on Horde side that keeps getting propped up alongside Horde stories and gets further screen time over some playable Horde races.

Yet many anti-helfers seem to act like the High Elf request has no grounds for being a request in the first place.

I have yet for any Horde fanboy to provide this evidence, people just go mum every time I post this example or try to sound like a smart ass and bring up Ogres or something which isn't equivalent to the Silver Covenant or High Elves in general.

[Sluvs]

They do in the form of the Nightborne.

And if that's not enough, please show me where there's a consistent group of Night Elves that side with Horde continually through multiple expansions.

^ That is what makes High Elves on Alliance different and no unplayable race on Horde can replicate that.

There is no equivalent consistent group like the Silver Covenant or High Elves that consist of an unplayable race on Horde side that keeps getting propped up alongside Horde stories and gets further screen time over some playable Horde races.

Yet many anti-helfers seem to act like the High Elf request has no grounds for being a request in the first place.

I have yet for any Horde fanboy to provide this evidence, people just go mum every time I post this example or try to sound like a smart ass and bring up Ogres or something which isn't equivalent to the Silver Covenant or High Elves in general.

And you do have High Elves, in the form of Void Elves.

You are ignoring several arguments, people gave you links and provided evidence, YOU are not being reasonable here.

[FlubberPuddy]

They have the same architecture, the same looks, their culture is virtually the same with the exception of light(which some blood elves DO believe see priests and what not, hell, they have the BLOODY SUNWELL. Liadrin loves the light and they reformed the blood knights because of it)

The choice between friends or family is literally the ONLY separation between blood elf and high elf.

Fel as used to build the city, the divide was not about that. C'mon man, stop ignoring that.

I'm not ignoring it, I'm acknowledging it. You guys are the ones that trying to ignore it as if it doesn't exist as a differentiating factor.

Let's go through it again with that line of thought. If it DIDN'T MATTER (the Fel green eyes) then why aren't the majority of High Elves with Green Eyes, why aren't the Blood Elves getting blue eyes along with their Gold (Blizzard isn't retarded they wouldn't take the time to add Gold Eyes and hold of Blue till later, even more so that the Eye color is locked to face options).

What some of you aren't acknowledging is that regardless of the reason for the split: The Eyes ARE the differentiating factor.

[Zulkhan]

To be fair that's true, even if they do make 100% sense.

Your statement is a fucking contradiction.

[FlubberPuddy]

And you do have High Elves, in the form of Void Elves.

You are ignoring several arguments, people gave you links and provided evidence, YOU are not being reasonable here.

Nah because when we're talking about High Elves we're talking about groups like the Silver Covenant, Allerian Stronghold etc.

Void Elves are through and through Blood Elves. Everytime they've been described by Blizzard themselves in person or in-game they're referred to as "Blood Elves".

What I was getting at is the whole purple elf thing that Nightborne bring to Horde yet Alliance for some reason can't have fair skin type elves which is beyond stupid.

[Sluvs]

I think it's pretty okay to request HE, I just think you need to understand that the divide is not that big and it would bring close to no lore to this game. Ofc they can create lore to justify it, but it would be a little less shiny than other options.

[Varx]

They do in the form of the Nightborne.

And if that's not enough, please show me where there's a consistent group of Night Elves that side with Horde continually through multiple expansions.

^ That is what makes High Elves on Alliance different and no unplayable race on Horde can replicate that.

There is no equivalent consistent group like the Silver Covenant or High Elves that consist of an unplayable race on Horde side that keeps getting propped up alongside Horde stories and gets further screen time over some playable Horde races.

Yet many anti-helfers seem to act like the High Elf request has no grounds for being a request in the first place.

I have yet for any Horde fanboy to provide this evidence, people just go mum every time I post this example or try to sound like a smart ass and bring up Ogres or something which isn't equivalent to the Silver Covenant or High Elves in general.

Once again the lore is not a valid reason to give the Alliance an identical copy of a Horde race and repackage it as an Allied Race. What part of that do you not understand.

Imagine all the alliance players who are not so keen on the Lore and see that the Horde is getting Gilgoblins or Ogres while all they literally get are Blood Elves with a different god damn name. If you think Alliance players scream "Horde favoritism" now then imagine that shit storm if something like this happened.

Plus do you really think this game needs 3 Thalasian models with one of them having almost no clear physical difference as the other unless you zoom into your fucking characters face or play in first person.

[FlubberPuddy]

Your conflating the elves that followed Kael'thas after the fall of Tempest Keep with all of the elves that live on Azeroth or abandoned him to become the Scryers.

Those blood Elves became felbloods.

No, what I'm doing is exactly the same as saying: Looks wise, Blood Elves are defined by their fel usage (green eyes) and High Elves aren't (blue eyes). Has nothing to do with whether or not these Blood Elf players actually consumed fel or just were exposed to it.

It is the differentiating factor visually between a High Elf and a Blood Elf.

[Sluvs]

Nah because when we're talking about High Elves we're talking about groups like the Silver Covenant, Allerian Stronghold etc.

Void Elves are through and through Blood Elves. Everytime they've been described by Blizzard themselves in person or in-game they're referred to as "Blood Elves".

What I was getting at is the whole purple elf thing that Nightborne bring to Horde yet Alliance for some reason can't have fair skin type elves which is beyond stupid.

You do realize that i can say that about those night elves to right? That is not a good argument.

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No, what I'm doing is exactly the same as saying: Looks wise, Blood Elves are defined by their fel usage (green eyes) and High Elves aren't (blue eyes). Has nothing to do with whether or not these Blood Elf players actually consumed fel or just were exposed to it.

It is the differentiating factor visually between a High Elf and a Blood Elf.

No it is not. The split was over draining life of critters and choosing the alliance. Stop ignoring this.

[FlubberPuddy]

I think it's pretty okay to request HE, I just think you need to understand that the divide is not that big and it would bring close to no lore to this game. Ofc they can create lore to justify it, but it would be a little less shiny than other options.

I'm a bigger advocate of "give players long-time requests, especially if there's a reason for it" It's not like the High Elf request is out of nowhere, Blizzard even continues to sprinkle them around in BFA and this is before the expansion has even launched.

I'm pretty confident people will 9 times out of 10 prefer something that "makes sense" (High Elves) over something completely out of the blue (Void Elves) and before that the Draenei - where Blizzard acknowledged that when they add new races they'd be better off seeding them in.

And both these two races are the only ones where the community went "uh WTF?!" The vitriol that came with Void Elves were similar to when Draenei were put on Alliance back then.

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Once again the lore is not a valid reason to give the Alliance an identical copy of a Horde race and repackage it as an Allied Race. What part of that do you not understand.

Imagine all the alliance players who are not so keen on the Lore and see that the Horde is getting Gilgoblins or Ogres while all they literally get are Blood Elves with a different god damn name. If you think Alliance players scream "Horde favoritism" now then imagine that shit storm if something like this happened.

Plus do you really think this game needs 3 Thalasian models with one of them having almost no clear physical difference as the other unless you zoom into your fucking characters face or play in first person.

The shitstorm over Void Elves, and before that Draenei, already did happen. So I don't know why you're talking as if Alliance hasn't dealt with this before.

[Sluvs]

I'm not ignoring it, I'm acknowledging it. You guys are the ones that trying to ignore it as if it doesn't exist as a differentiating factor.

Let's go through it again with that line of thought. If it DIDN'T MATTER (the Fel green eyes) then why aren't the majority of High Elves with Green Eyes, why aren't the Blood Elves getting blue eyes along with their Gold (Blizzard isn't retarded they wouldn't take the time to add Gold Eyes and hold of Blue till later, even more so that the Eye color is locked to face options).

What some of you aren't acknowledging is that regardless of the reason for the split: The Eyes ARE the differentiating factor.

And eyes are a pretty weak differentiating factor.

[DeicideUH]

Ok fine you wanna use the RTS's. Night Elves were a neutral race in Warcraft 3. There are many neutral Night Elves in WoW, many of which are not aligned with Darnassus or the teachings of elune. Why can't the horde have Night Elves.

If they introduce a group in lore that joins the Horde, I don't see why they couldn't do it.
Indeed, they just did that with the nightborne.

High elves exist in lore. That's reason enough to justify them.

[Sluvs]

I'm a bigger advocate of "give players long-time requests, especially if there's a reason for it" It's not like the High Elf request is out of nowhere, Blizzard even continues to sprinkle them around in BFA and this is before the expansion has even launched.

I'm pretty confident people will 9 times out of 10 prefer something that "makes sense" (High Elves) over something completely out of the blue (Void Elves) and before that the Draenei - where Blizzard acknowledged that when they add new races they'd be better off seeding them in.

And both these two races are the only ones where the community went "uh WTF?!" The vitriol that came with Void Elves were similar to when Draenei were put on Alliance back then.

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The shitstorm over Void Elves, and before that Draenei, already did happen. So I don't know why you're talking as if Alliance hasn't dealt with this before.

Whoa, calm down, you cannot spout those number and "be pretty confident" using only your guts. Also, the only backlash for the void elves that I saw came from the high elf community, so let's ease up on the certainty that high elves would be a good idea.

[FlubberPuddy]

And eyes are a pretty weak differentiating factor.

Which is why the pro-helf group, who want to still play High Elves said, "Ok if eye color isn't enough how about all these other things in terms of looks that still follow High Elf thematics be added too" and thus threads like this one were born with fan concepts showing further extra differentiation that would VISUALLY differentiate High Elves from Blood Elves but still keep their lore as a people the same.

Then you have the antagonizers coming in and saying "but but but if you change then it's not a High Elf!" and round and round the wheels go of "Ok we'll just keep them the same look it doesn't matter" and "but then you can't have exactly Blood Elves!"

That's how retarded the circular arguments are and why I try to avoid them. But as I said before in another post, it's so easy to see how quickly some anti-helfers just want to jump on someone's comments and go "ha! I've proved you wrong!!!"

[Varx]

If they introduce a group in lore that joins the Horde, I don't see why they couldn't do it.
Indeed, they just did that with the nightborne.

High elves exist in lore. That's reason enough to justify them.

There are great differences between Night Elves and Nightborne. What difference are there physically between High Elves and Blood Elves besides having to zoom to your face to see it.

[FlubberPuddy]

Whoa, calm down, you cannot spout those number and "be pretty confident" using only your guts. Also, the only backlash for the void elves that I saw came from the high elf community, so let's ease up on the certainty that high elves would be a good idea.

High Elves have been much more longer requested than Transmog, the changes to PVP/PVE servers happening in BFA, same server Alliance and Horde, Vanilla Servers etc etc (basically any long time request is where i"m getting at that had people saying those are terrible ideas)

I'm pretty confident they would be a good idea, also "calm down"? who's uncalm?