Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[Alanar]

Ohh, we're talking about the art from that comic? Look at this gem:

Omg hahaha yea that comic art is horrible but thank you for this!

[Kyphael]

This turned into a an anti-High Elf thread pretty unnecessarily, pretty quickly. I thought you guys would be smart enough to realize the demand will never die, even if they exterminate High Elves down to the last one (which they won't, Blizzard likes their HE lore even if Ion doesn't want to make it playable.) And even if they were snuffed out, the counter argument would be "well we could go back in time with a bronze dragon to the time before Arthas invaded Quel'telas and bring high elves to the present."

[Huntaer]

Didn't Blizzard say blood elves are high elves? Isn't that why they have a yellow glow in their eyes now? And void elves are high elves who defected to the alliance because they were banished from Silvermoon for practising void magic. And for fucking with the sunwell.

[Somnium]

Sylvanas and Alleria will come to a head, and Vereesa will die in the process, along with the Silver Covenant.

[Management]

Or they could rewind time, undo the void elf travesty and give us High Elf instead like everyone has been asking for since forever. I myself honestly don't care that much, but the whole Void Elf crap was just a massive slap in the face to everyone who has been asking for High Elves.

[Deleted]

If that happens then there's no Warcraft. You Antis don't even understand it at all. If you get rid of High Elves that is original elven race that WoW as we know will not be 100% Warcraft. It'll just be a generic Dragonball Z/Final Fantasy Game with no original fantasy races but random ones that doesn't feel like Warcraft.

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Let's take a moment to unpack all the horse shit in this paragraph alone.

1. Elves are not the heart of Warcraft. Orcs and humans are

2. Blood Elves exist it's not like High Elf culture is gone. It just change for the better. Also void Elves exist. I don't want all elves removed I just want the shitty high elf remnants gone.

3. The removal of High Elves, the most generic race in all fantasy, would make the game more generic. (Not even going to go into the fact you thing wow is anything like DBZ ).

4. No original fantasy races left? Tauren, pandas, wows trolls are very different to typical fantasy trolls, wows gnomes have a unique style, tuskarr etc etc etc etc. All of these feel like Warcraft because they make up the silly world that is the Warcraft universe.

[Thage]

I figure that's the direction they're heading in regardless, OP, with all the High Elf Wayfarers and Silvermoon Scholars you find in the Telogrus Rift after unlocking void elves.

[Yuujin]

Or they could rewind time, undo the void elf travesty and give us High Elf instead like everyone has been asking for since forever. I myself honestly don't care that much, but the whole Void Elf crap was just a massive slap in the face to everyone who has been asking for High Elves.

I like them. Opens up more potential than just a regular old civil war.

[Thage]

Or they could rewind time, undo the void elf travesty and give us High Elf instead like everyone has been asking for since forever. I myself honestly don't care that much, but the whole Void Elf crap was just a massive slap in the face to everyone who has been asking for High Elves.

You'll take my blueberry space elf when you pry her out of my cold, dead hands.

[Management]

I like them. Opens up more potential than just a regular old civil war.

I'm not saying they have no place in the game or that the models are bad or anything. I just think that it's sort of ridiculous that we are to believe there are somehow enough Void Elves for them to be a playable race. There was literally no reason why they coudn't have made Quel'Dorei a playable race instead of introducing void elves. I think the VE's would be an interesting lore addition to the game as NPC's I just don't think they fit the bill when it comes to being a playable race. Not only that but the introduction of the Void Elves was a massive failure on Blizzard's part. While I was questing in Argus having heard about the Void Elves being a playable race, and I was hoping to learn more about them while earning rep with the Argussian Reach and I kept wondering where the Void Elves were or when I would be introduced to some lore. There is basically not a single VE present in the game other than in the VE starting area. High elves however have been in the game since the beginning and make perfect sense as an Alliance allied race. They could easily have been made unique enough from the Blood Elves modelwise to justify their addition.

[DeicideUH]

I'm not saying they have no place in the game or that the models are bad or anything. I just think that it's sort of ridiculous that we are to believe there are somehow enough Void Elves for them to be a playable race. There was literally no reason why they coudn't have made Quel'Dorei a playable race instead of introducing void elves.

Which is why I think Blizzard wants to eventually merge high elves and void elves. It pains me, since I'm a high elf fan, but after introduction of a "race" that is not a race at all, more like a small cult, I'm thinking Blizzard has plans of increasing their numbers by making more high elves go void. It would make no sense to keep void elves as this small cult while still featuring high elves everywhere...

[FlubberPuddy]

Well I'm not here to debate more about High Elves BUT!

The most current lore about Void Elves, especially the playable ones (our own Velf characters) is that they're all Blood Elves from Silvermoon.

So until newer, even more, current lore is created then as of the most up to date news every Void Elf was just a Blood Elf before.

Not a High Elf from the Alliance or Silver Covenant or any one of those High Elves that people actually have been wishing for since forever on Alliance side.

[DeicideUH]

Well I'm not here to debate more about High Elves BUT!

The most current lore about Void Elves, especially the playable ones (our own Velf characters) is that they're all Blood Elves from Silvermoon.

So until newer, even more, current lore is created then as of the most up to date news every Void Elf was just a Blood Elf before.

Not a High Elf from the Alliance or Silver Covenant or any one of those High Elves that people actually have been wishing for since forever on Alliance side.

Yeah, people are discussing future possibilities here.

Currently, void elves barely constitute a small cult.

[FlubberPuddy]

Yeah, people are discussing future possibilities here.

Currently, void elves barely constitute a small cult.

I feel like with the Three Sisters comic sort of cements that High Elves, or at the least the Silver Covenant will very much stay their own thing.

I know your speculation is them turning through an accident of some kind but I don't think it'll happen. It removes the purpose of the Silver Covenant existing (as a Relic of the High Elves) and I can't see Blizzard doing that.

More likely they just leave them alone, like the Wildhammer, rather than make the already small group of High Elves that exist, even more tiny. Doesn't really add much to their own story (the High Elves) that isn't already happening with the Void Elves themselves (dealing with the Void's powers).

Plus I feel that whole exchange between the Player void elf and Umbric would be rendered meaningless. There'd be no reason to "keep proving your loyalty" if once staunch loyal members of the Alliance turned to the Void through an accident as well.

While future content usually does render old content moot, I don't think something like that would happen so very quickly, as in, not within 1 expansion's timeline.

[DeicideUH]

I feel like with the Three Sisters comic sort of cements that High Elves, or at the least the Silver Covenant will very much stay their own thing.

I know your speculation is them turning through an accident of some kind but I don't think it'll happen. It removes the purpose of the Silver Covenant existing (as a Relic of the High Elves) and I can't see Blizzard doing that.

More likely they just leave them alone, like the Wildhammer, rather than make the already small group of High Elves that exist, even more tiny. Doesn't really add much to their own story (the High Elves) that isn't already happening with the Void Elves themselves (dealing with the Void's powers).

Plus I feel that whole exchange between the Player void elf and Umbric would be rendered meaningless. There'd be no reason to "keep proving your loyalty" if once staunch loyal members of the Alliance turned to the Void through an accident as well.

While future content usually does render old content moot, I don't think something like that would happen so very quickly, as in, not within 1 expansion's timeline.

The thing is, void elf story is still being established, so faster-than-normal developments may happen.

Half of me thinks Blizzard has an endgame planned for them. Their story has just begun and an event that cements their long-term status quo is coming soon(ish).

The other half thinks void elves are just a big asspull and Blizzard has no idea of what to do with them. They'll be left alone for quite some time.

[Syegfryed]

Seems like another tumor is growing on from this cancer

Silver covenant will prob vanish, like the minor organization it is, they will not bother to do something with

[Obelisk Kai]

Only Horse BS I see in this paragraph alone is you still refusing to see the whole problem of WoW at all.

1: Elves are the Heart of Warcraft. Just not Orcs and Humans.

2: There's a Difference between Blood Elves and High Elves. Blood Elves exist but they abandon everything that made them quel'dorei and move into a another society while the those are High Elves that are still around are still the ones from Warcraft 2 who aided the alliance and still to this very day and when you put in Void theme to the Elves. They're no longer Warcraft 2 High Elves. They're just blue blood elves nothing more.

3 The removal of High Elves would damage anything that Warcraft the way is it to this very day. It doesn't even matter if they're generic race in all fantasy. It is what make fantasy true to its name and rest of Warcraft.

4: In terms of Original Fantasy races left. I mean Ogres, Forest Trolls, Wildhammer Dwarves, High Elves and etc. Adding in random races like fox people or snake people doesn't make Wow, Warcraft all. It makes it look like a Final Fantasy/Disney/DBZ Hybrid.

So to conclude you obvious have never learned anything about the lore of Warcraft nor played both the horde and the alliance to see why players want high elves or why players want to play ogres and etc. You people are so stocked up with your blind hatred that you guys are the very ones that is ruining everything that World of Warcraft the way it is to this day.

If you think Elves are the heart of Warcraft then I don't even know where to begin with you. The first game had the subtitle Orcs and Humans, not Elf versus Elf, and no matter how long the game has gone on the two constants are the Human based Alliance and the Orcish based Horde. The Orcs and Humans are the hearts of their respective factions.

I believe the problem here is your obsession with Warcraft 2, inexplicable to me as you were two when it was released. You can't argue it was a formative moment for you in your understanding of Warcraft lore. By the time you were likely beginning to understand the Warcraft universe, Warcraft 3 would have been out quite a while.

While it is clearly hard for you to accept, Warcraft 2 did not mark the end of the franchise. The storyline has moved on, the factions and characters have evolved and progressed. They have had to, because Warcraft 2 didn't have the deepest lore in the world.Warcraft 3 was the moment the modern warcraft universe was born, and a considerable amount of effort has been spent by Blizzard retconning large chunks of the first two games so that they flow into the overall narrative.

You also have to accept that you are just incorrect in stating that Blood Elves are different from High Elves. You are aware of all the evidence to the contrary, and just flat out denying that evidence because you find it inconvenient is your right, but the rest of us don't have to indulge that denial or take it seriously. Blood Elves are High Elves, and the most generic race in fantasy is available to play. If you want to play something like a Blood Elf but can't stomach the Horde, the Void Elves are available to you.

You will either ignore this post, respond, or go on a rant about it on your twitter feed where you can say what you like without fear of being challenged and celebrate an imagined victory that way.

[Deleted]

Only Horse BS I see in this paragraph alone is you still refusing to see the whole problem of WoW at all.

1: Elves are the Heart of Warcraft. Just not Orcs and Humans.

2: There's a Difference between Blood Elves and High Elves. Blood Elves exist but they abandon everything that made them quel'dorei and move into a another society while the those are High Elves that are still around are still the ones from Warcraft 2 who aided the alliance and still to this very day and when you put in Void theme to the Elves. They're no longer Warcraft 2 High Elves. They're just blue blood elves nothing more.

3 The removal of High Elves would damage anything that Warcraft the way is it to this very day. It doesn't even matter if they're generic race in all fantasy. It is what make fantasy true to its name and rest of Warcraft.

4: In terms of Original Fantasy races left. I mean Ogres, Forest Trolls, Wildhammer Dwarves, High Elves and etc. Adding in random races like fox people or snake people doesn't make Wow, Warcraft all. It makes it look like a Final Fantasy/Disney/DBZ Hybrid.

So to conclude you obvious have never learned anything about the lore of Warcraft nor played both the horde and the alliance to see why players want high elves or why players want to play ogres and etc. You people are so stocked up with your blind hatred that you guys are the very ones that is ruining everything that World of Warcraft the way it is to this day.

1. They're just not. High Elves had a brief moment in Warcraft 2 and 3 beyond that they are not important or have been supplanted.

2. Warcraft 2 High Elves stopped existing when the Scourge invaded. They changed like cultures do. High Elves in WoW are homeless refuges at least if they join the Void Elves they serve a purpose.

3 High Elves are not needed to make a fantasy world a fantasy world. They have not been important as a race for years. stop acting like they are integral.

4: 'I don't like X race ergo it isn't wow'. Doesn't hold water. Animal races have been in Warcraft since the third game and have been a stable for well over a decade in fact more then half the franchises history.

You say the i haven't learnt lore when you parade a race (which by your own view BE don't belong to) as important when they haven't been for more then a decade. Only appearing as a supporting act to the Kirin Tor with like one named semi-important Lore Character, the least important windrunner. Nonsense, I want playable Orges. They are numerous and different enough from current playable races. I don't hate HE but they had their day. Keeping them around serves no purpose. I think they should have been added over VE but they werent and so are no longer important. I dont think modern wow is too bad, some writing fallen off to be sure but i dont see how i effected that.

[Irian]

I actually really like that idea. In particular, the death of Vereesa leading the remains of the Silver Covenant to swear themselves to Alleria and join the void elves.

As it stands, based on high elf lore currently...I don't think they'd be particularly fond of the void elves. They disapproved of the blood elves dabbling in fel and being tainted for it, so god knows what they think of blood elves fully engulfed in void energy. A brand new Silver Covenant who gives themselves to Alleria's void teachings out of a yearning for vengeance would be an interesting story and help shape the void elves into more than just "A handful of blood elves who went to Telogrus Rift".

[Maxilian]

Well i do expect the Silver Covenant to be, sooner or later, more Void Elf than High Elf, but i doubt we will see the last of all HE.