Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[Fyersing]

I'm still genuinely curious about your answer on this one, @Obelisk Kai. I'll quote myself from Page 3:

I feel obligated to inquire about why you feel this is a gameplay necessity?

If every portal and/or ship that currently leads to Exodar/Azuremyst were suddenly re-directed to Ratchet or Gadgetzan, I can't really see how this would affect "gameplay" in any impactful way. I just input "/who Exodar" on US-Sargeras (Alliance), an enormous popular server, and there are four people there -- in total.

[Wyrt]

I don't know why people want high elves. Alleria and Vereesa are hideous.

Wouldn't be surprised if their family just has a long history of breeding with humans and that's why they look so awful and explains their fetishes.

[Obelisk Kai]

I'm still genuinely curious about your answer on this one, @Obelisk Kai. I'll quote myself from Page 3:

The gameplay need is that it provides players a psychological stake in the landmass, to know that they have a presence and that they are not just merely invaders. Only a city, the core of a race that belongs to the Alliance or the Horde, can provide that anchor. Otherwise Kalimdor becomes the Horde continent, the Eastern Kingdoms becomes the Alliance continent, and we lose our sense of belonging in either to instead become invaders on the other side's soil.

Gadgetzan and Ratchet do not fulfil this function.

[Fyersing]

The gameplay need is that it provides players a psychological stake in the landmass, to know that they have a presence and that they are not just merely invaders. Only a city, the core of a race that belongs to the Alliance or the Horde, can provide that anchor.

Then I would be safe in assuming you believe Battle for Azeroth is doomed to failure, at least in the psyche of the playerbase, considering that each faction has very little "psychological stake" in the continental affairs of their adversaries? This according to your own explanation of such stakes.

Otherwise Kalimdor becomes the Horde continent, the Eastern Kingdoms becomes the Alliance continent, and we lose our sense of belonging in either to instead become invaders on the other side's soil.

If you substitute Kalimdor and Eastern Kingdoms with Zandalar and Kul'Tiras, respectively, you would have been describing the upcoming expansion with great accuracy -- so I'm not sure how you can then turn around and posit that applying the same rationale utilized throughout the entirety of Battle for Azeroth's known content to the rest of the gamespace would (specifically, Azuremyst for Horde and Quel'thalas for Alliance) would in any way be a devastating blow to the gameplay. Just seems odd.

[FlubberPuddy]

@Fyersing it's because you're speaking to a well-known Horde and Blood Elf fanboy, so the tales will be spun to fit the greater good of either of those agendas. I've already pointed out in another of his posts previously that he was already contradicting his statements, since it's just trying to find any solution that leads toward upping the Horde/BE Fanboy agenda.

Anyways, looks like the general consensus for this topic is that most can't see SC going Void, most of the underpinning conversations are a hate of High Elves on Alliance and merely wanting a large group of them to be gone. It's funny seeing how triggered some get over the HE being brought up.

[Deleted]

It's like... can you guys stop making up these moronic stories in your heads to justify something that is not near reasonable neither justifiable.

Call it for what it is - whining, there's only been whining, there have been no compromises, no understandings... nothing. Just a long fucking whine since BC to this point. That is not reasonable and it's not justifiable. Just a cryfest that has gone on for so long that some people got the wrong idea that they are owed something for simply fucking whining a lot. Get over yourselves.

"I speak like a complete and utter asshole but it's me who is reasonable". You should change your friends. The current ones are clearly a bad influence.

[Fyersing]

Anyways, looks like the general consensus for this topic is that most can't see SC going Void, most of the underpinning conversations are a hate of High Elves on Alliance and merely wanting a large group of them to be gone. It's funny seeing how triggered some get over the HE being brought up.

The best cast scenario, as I see it, would be for the Silver Covenant to officially attach themselves to the Void Elves. Thus, they become a "second wave" of Void Elves, complete with all of the physiological distinctions (i.e. all the Void-based pigmentations).

This would allow the SC to be for the VE's what the Farstriders are for the Blood Elves: a sub-group, with slightly distinct cultural tendencies, but ultimately aligned on the larger issue. Which, of course, only strengthens the entire concept being peddled that Blood Elves versus Void Elves is the new hot-button schism.

[Aldo Hawk]

Explain how, and you better not bring San'layn into this, because I swear if I have to explain the difference between San'layn situation and High elf one to another dummy I will kI'll somebody

xd i can't take this seriously anymore.

[Evilfish]

"I speak like a complete and utter asshole but it's me who is reasonable". You should change your friends. The current ones are clearly a bad influence.

I give you the typical High Elf wannabe player response.

So when the devs tell you it's not happening, when they introduced an Alliance race based on belfs already, it's common sense to keep asking?

[Aldo Hawk]

Lastly, Void Elves HAVE gotten a bit more development and what did it amount to? That they're all Blood Elves under Magister Umbric who weren't okay with joining up with the Horde and need to prove their loyalties to the Alliance.

Not sure what extra development you're trying to look for? Genuinely I am curious, from anyone who think further development will somehow help Void Elves.

Learning about the Void =/= learning about Void Elves. And the extra info we know about them so far isn't mind-blowing, if anything it just reinforced they aren't the High Elves that have been with the Alliance.

Plus they break their own rule of being an Allied Race, in that we learn about their story after we recruit them. They will always remain an outlier unless Blizzard once again decides to have players recruit an Allied Race without much story and then develop them post-recruitment. No other Allied Race does this so far. And Blizzard have time and again said Allied Races you learn about their story before recruiting them.

Well, i want to point that VE get a bit of story before being recruited, during the recruitment scenario, but you are right about they not having story before all that.

I want to point this out because some people bring that up to say that VE have story, but actually my dudes, that's not enought, Pandaren got more story than VE when they got playable, just saying.

[Sigxy]

why would you revive this?

My reaction when I saw this thread on the front page: "Oh no, not again... There hasn't been any news from Blizzard about it in a while, what are they writing up this time...?"

[Magnagarde]

why would you revive this?

It's actually good if all the high elf stuff is posted here, rather than all over the place. It's better to have this bumped than have discussions derail or have new threads.

[Thelxi]

Omg all these years later still no high elves. What is this void elf shit.

[Aldo Hawk]

If this thread hurt you so much just don't enter it, it's your fault if you do that, sorry.

[FlubberPuddy]

The best cast scenario, as I see it, would be for the Silver Covenant to officially attach themselves to the Void Elves. Thus, they become a "second wave" of Void Elves, complete with all of the physiological distinctions (i.e. all the Void-based pigmentations).

This would allow the SC to be for the VE's what the Farstriders are for the Blood Elves: a sub-group, with slightly distinct cultural tendencies, but ultimately aligned on the larger issue. Which, of course, only strengthens the entire concept being peddled that Blood Elves versus Void Elves is the new hot-button schism.

I'd prefer if the SC stayed their own thing. It would really go against why High Elves are High Elves in the first place because they broke away from Blood Elves due to the Fel use. They wouldn't accept one corrupting magic source over another (Void).

Just how I see it, which is probably why they're still the way they are. Remember that Void Elves didn't have any choice in being turned into what they are, and I wonder if many would even want to pursue it that far given it becomes a choice.

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Well, i want to point that VE get a bit of story before being recruited, during the recruitment scenario, but you are right about they not having story before all that.

I want to point this out because some people bring that up to say that VE have story, but actually my dudes, that's not enought, Pandaren got more story than VE when they got playable, just saying.

I consider "recruited" to be when we do the scenario as well. But yeah you're right.

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Omg all these years later still no high elves. What is this void elf shit.

precisely lol

Well I still love seeing all the HE hate salt flow so there's that.

[Obelisk Kai]

Then I would be safe in assuming you believe Battle for Azeroth is doomed to failure, at least in the psyche of the playerbase, considering that each faction has very little "psychological stake" in the continental affairs of their adversaries? This according to your own explanation of such stakes.

That is an exaggeration of my point. You asked for me to clarify what I meant by gameplay need, and I provided what I believe to be the rationale. Extrapolating that the absence of the 'sense' that both Kalimdor and the Eastern Kingdoms are shared spaces, rather than faction specific, would mean doom for the game is not what I said. You are employing a straw man here. What I said was that having faction cities on both continents for both factions provides a sense of ownership and presence for both factions and does not render Kalimdor the Horde continent and the EK the Alliance continent. The Eastern Kingdoms and Kalimdor are unique among the landmasses in that, a.) they are the continents where the bulk of the populations of both Alliance and Horde are concentrated and b.) hold a special place in people's hearts due to them being the original continents of the gameworld. Being evicted completely from the Eastern Kingdoms would not feel nice for the Horde playerbase, and ditto Kalimdor for Alliance players.

I also question the motive of the desire. A lot of Alliance posters in this thread seem to want Silvermoon to fall, not because it is the base of the Horde which I could understand, but somehow to punish the race for not being Alliance High Elves. DeicideUH often postulates his pet theory of the Blood Elves being evicted, the Sunwell being destroyed and lots of Blood Elves being turned against their will into Void Elves...who would then for some reason decide to serve the Alliance that caused this catastrophe.

That is his attempt to fix Void Elves, by wrecking the Blood Elf storyline and setting them back to the pre TBC era.

If you substitute Kalimdor and Eastern Kingdoms with Zandalar and Kul'Tiras, respectively, you would have been describing the upcoming expansion with great accuracy -- so I'm not sure how you can then turn around and posit that applying the same rationale utilized throughout the entirety of Battle for Azeroth's known content to the rest of the gamespace would (specifically, Azuremyst for Horde and Quel'thalas for Alliance) would in any way be a devastating blow to the gameplay. Just seems odd.

Because Kalimdor and the Eastern Kingdoms are the original game world continents, whereas Zandalar and Kul Tiras were conceived of and introduced as faction specific landmasses for the story of BFA.

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The best cast scenario, as I see it, would be for the Silver Covenant to officially attach themselves to the Void Elves. Thus, they become a "second wave" of Void Elves, complete with all of the physiological distinctions (i.e. all the Void-based pigmentations).

This would allow the SC to be for the VE's what the Farstriders are for the Blood Elves: a sub-group, with slightly distinct cultural tendencies, but ultimately aligned on the larger issue. Which, of course, only strengthens the entire concept being peddled that Blood Elves versus Void Elves is the new hot-button schism.

This would be the best option. Frankly I have no problem with a group of exiled High Elves functioning as story support on the Alliance side, adding nuance and texture to the story. But since that apparently cannot be tolerated without a never ending demanding they become playable exactly as they are, turning them into Void Elves would at least nix this debate.

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It's actually good if all the high elf stuff is posted here, rather than all over the place. It's better to have this bumped than have discussions derail or have new threads.

Yes but what is left to talk about?

Even a new angle on it, such as 'will the SC join the void elves', just goes back into the same circular discussion.

[Deleted]

I give you the typical High Elf wannabe player response.

So when the devs tell you it's not happening, when they introduced an Alliance race based on belfs already, it's common sense to keep asking?

I know what is not a commons sense. Not a common sense is repeatedly behaving like a complete jerk about something that doesn't affect you in any way. And no, you didn't give me a typical something. You just showed what kind of person you are. Don't be this person. It's really not nice to be an asshole.

[Mace]

I also question the motive of the desire. A lot of Alliance posters in this thread seem to want Silvermoon to fall, not because it is the base of the Horde which I could understand, but somehow to punish the race for not being Alliance High Elves. DeicideUH often postulates his pet theory of the Blood Elves being evicted, the Sunwell being destroyed and lots of Blood Elves being turned against their will into Void Elves...who would then for some reason decide to serve the Alliance that caused this catastrophe.

That is his attempt to fix Void Elves, by wrecking the Blood Elf storyline and setting them back to the pre TBC era.

Well, what DecideUH is suggestion would be an interesting twist on the exact same thing the forsaken represent, except flowing the other way, into alliance. Forsaken afterall are humans turned undead and now serving Sylvannas, boosting her numbers that way, and becoming void isn't as bad as becoming dead then undead.

ANyway, it won't be exactly the same for elves as for humans, it's actually not a bad idea toying with.


I certainly don't want Silvermoon to fall, I liked the other idea floating on the forums somewhere that had the Thalassian elves sharing Silvermoon in a stalemate and declaring it a sanctuary where faction aggression was strictly forbidden and elf on elf violence outlawed - brought about when war did go to Silvermoon and it risked destroying the Sunwell.

[Magnagarde]

Yes but what is left to talk about?

Even a new angle on it, such as 'will the SC join the void elves', just goes back into the same circular discussion.

Well, this isn't a dictatorship in which people aren't allowed to talk about things someone doesn't like to see. Everyone can freely ignore this thread. I opened it because I chose to and you did so too.

[FlubberPuddy]

I also question the motive of the desire. A lot of Alliance posters in this thread seem to want Silvermoon to fall, not because it is the base of the Horde which I could understand, but somehow to punish the race for not being Alliance High Elves. DeicideUH often postulates his pet theory of the Blood Elves being evicted, the Sunwell being destroyed and lots of Blood Elves being turned against their will into Void Elves...who would then for some reason decide to serve the Alliance that caused this catastrophe.

That is his attempt to fix Void Elves, by wrecking the Blood Elf storyline and setting them back to the pre TBC era.

Who cares what the motive is? It's not any bit as different as those who call for Silver Covenant to die at Teldrassil just to "shut up the High Elf request" or since that didn't work now the goal posts have moved to converting the rest of em into Void Elves.

Motives for why something occurs doesn't have to be any more than "because it's wanted" whether by developers or players.

This would be the best option. Frankly I have no problem with a group of exiled High Elves functioning as story support on the Alliance side, adding nuance and texture to the story. But since that apparently cannot be tolerated without a never ending demanding they become playable exactly as they are, turning them into Void Elves would at least nix this debate.

See, just as you do here? It wouldn't make sense at all for SC/HE to turn into Void Elves but the only purpose ever raised for it is always just to close the HE discussion.

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Well, this isn't a dictatorship in which people aren't allowed to talk about things someone doesn't like to see. Everyone can freely ignore this thread. I opened it because I chose to and you did so too.

Some people would have it be a dictatorship. "I don't like this topic being discussed so it should be shut down."