1. #6861
    Quote Originally Posted by FlubberPuddy View Post
    You can go back a few pages (or look through my previous posts) and I posted some of the High Elves that are High Elves in the BFA zones nowhere near the VE area.

    Not just that but the latest lore for Void Elves in BFA when you talk to Magister Umbric (in BFA) as a VE player is they're all former Silvermoon Blood Elves that need to learn the Alliance's trust and weren't fully on board with when Silvermoon joined the Horde.

    So yeah, no Alliance High Elf is actually a Void Elf because Umbric says that spiel to all VE players only. Only one you could say that is - is Alleria who so happens to look like a Normal High Elf when not Voided out.

    Not that you probably care anyway for these developments.
    Right.

    You seem to have missed the point. That's your thing I guess. My point was that the High Elves are taking a serious interest in the void... thing. Hence their presence there. Or can you confirm they are there for decorative purposes only.

    And speaking about caring. I guess you don't care that Alleria has undergone a specific process that voided her up, Umbric and his bunch were an accident. That's why she's all pretty and your velf is a fugly shadow abomination.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evilfish View Post
    Right.

    You seem to have missed the point. That's your thing I guess. My point was that the High Elves are taking a serious interest in the void... thing. Hence their presence there. Or can you confirm they are there for decorative purposes only.

    And speaking about caring. I guess you don't care that Alleria has undergone a specific process that voided her up, Umbric and his bunch were an accident. That's why she's all pretty and your velf is a fugly shadow abomination.
    You previously said "Your Helfs are turning into Velfs" and a poster corrected you they weren't and you still tried to imply they were by citing some HEs in the Void.

    All my post did was set you straight on that point. It's you who missed the point, not me or that other poster.

  3. #6863
    Quote Originally Posted by Strippling View Post
    "Buh mah feelings" perfectly sums up pro-high elfers
    So what? Just stop pretending that there's more to the anti side than fear of having their feelings hurt.
    Whatever...

  4. #6864
    Quote Originally Posted by FlubberPuddy View Post
    It is not the responsibility of the players when requesting something to worry over "potential negatives" of whatever addition they are requesting. That's up to Blizzard, it is their game and their decision in the end. Even when something does pass through with being greenlit by them, Blizzard will still do it in their own Blizzard way. But even saying this, HE fans did go above and beyond in taking that responsibility of working in "possible negative side effects" (which are honestly unrealistic - longtime BE players leaving all their friends/family just to go play Alli HEs? please) and had a huge discourse throughout this thread as well as others on other, more official, channels to work with what is given currently in the game to bring about their desire. This is far more effort than 99.9% of players who request things would ever do.
    You're right, it's not the responsibility of the players to worry over potential negatives when requesting something... that's Blizzard's job. In the case of High Elfs, Blizzard decided the potential negatives were too great. Many other players did so too, and expressed their concerns on various forums (albeit not always politely, but the same goes for both sides).

    Many pro-high elfers couldn't seem to accept this decision. This followed with some responding rudely and claiming the anti's are just "babies, etc...", while others tried to put together a concoction of reasons/ideas that countered the potential negative side affects. Some of these ideas were reasonable, many others weren't. At the end of the day, it ultimately came down to them wanting the aesthetics on the blue side, and Blizz and anti's alike weren't down for that.

    A reasonable request shouldn't require so much effort to "show" it wouldn't be harmful... it would typically be accepted (for the most part) on merits of the request alone. In the case of High Elfs, the fact that so much effort had to be put in shows that the request wasn't really suitable in the first place..hence the backlash (especially after the matter persisted)
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  5. #6865
    Quote Originally Posted by FlubberPuddy View Post
    You previously said "Your Helfs are turning into Velfs" and a poster corrected you they weren't and you still tried to imply they were by citing some HEs in the Void.

    All my post did was set you straight on that point. It's you who missed the point, not me or that other poster.
    Ok. If that's all it did then please help me understand where it clearly states that the Helfs visting Velf spacial bunghole does not mean Helfs are not undergoing the Velf transformation. I will accept my mistake if you provide he said proof.

  6. #6866
    Quote Originally Posted by DeicideUH View Post
    So what? Just stop pretending that there's more to the anti side than fear of having their feelings hurt.
    There is much more than feelings being hurt at stake. But lets say for a second it was purely based on hurt feelings.... you do realize that requesting High Elfs is literally requesting for a race/aesthetic that forms a core part of the Horde. So, if people were to "feel hurt" that a core identity of their preferred faction were to simply be given to the blue side (because the innocent pro-high elfers kindly requested it) would this be wrong? Your response suggests that they have no right to feel hurt.

    The reality though, is that there are more than just feelings at stake. Blurring faction lines is a no no, and adding high elfs does just that. Else might as well change the name of the game and make both sides perfectly equal... experience and all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strippling View Post
    A reasonable request shouldn't require so much effort to "show" it wouldn't be harmful... it would typically be accepted (for the most part) on merits of the request alone. In the case of High Elfs, the fact that so much effort had to be put in shows that the request wasn't really suitable in the first place..hence the backlash (especially after the matter persisted)
    Except it wouldn't be harmful and didn't require that. It's just the community, like with everything per usual, likes to blow negatives out of proportion and deem it world ending. Like the crying out from Warlocks when DHs rightfully got metamorphosis and Warlocks went back to actually being about summoning demons, not turning into them.

    The effort put in doesn't mean it was a terrible idea, it means there's actually so many around the love the idea enough to put work into it. It's much easier to say "No" that takes barely any effort in comparison.

    It's also like the bitching about Flying through pathfinder still, still there's people who see it as a terrible idea but that doesn't mean Blizzard deems it a terrible idea. They do what they want, how they want, when they want, because it's their game.

    Taking it to mean the Antis were correct in this manner is very short-sighted. And the answer Blizzard gave was always in context to "right now" and almost every pro-HE person knew it wouldn't be possible right now. All it showed is that High Elves aren't coming right now, which everyone already knew.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evilfish View Post
    Ok. If that's all it did then please help me understand where it clearly states that the Helfs visting Velf spacial bunghole does not mean Helfs are not undergoing the Velf transformation. I will accept my mistake if you provide he said proof.
    I already did, are you purposefully being obtuse or are you just always like this? The newest chatter that Umbric tells VE players (and only VE players) is that they're all Silvermoon Blood Elves and need to earn the Alliance's trust.

    So until you can provide proof that HEs ARE transforming into VEs the current state is this: Every VE made from the recruitment scenario and every player VE is a former Silvermoon Blood Elf.

    Alliance High Elves wouldn't have to earn Alliance trust if they were already loyal. Therefore Alliance High Elves are not being made into VEs.

    You're trying to have me provide proof when you can't even provide proof for your claim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Strippling View Post
    I suggest you re-read my posts before writing a story length response that has no relevance to what I said.

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    "Buh mah feelings" perfectly sums up pro-high elfers
    "We have it so you can't have it" perfectly sums people like you up...as selfish as the Warchief I guess

    Yet I've seen at least 3-4 different posts in the last 6 months asking for some kind of Human race for the Horde...kinda ironic huh?

  9. #6869
    Quote Originally Posted by FlubberPuddy View Post
    High Elves also fit into this, being already Alliance members. They don't become a neutral race by being playable on the Alliance since they never were a neutral race to begin with.
    Playable races have different rules than NPCs. First and foremost, they have to be significantly different from other playable races, leaving wider margins for those on the other faction. Alliance High Elves and Blood Elves are racially identical, and because the Blood Elves are playable for the Horde already, playable high elves are and will continue to be a Horde exclusive option until the circumstances surrounding the issue change.

    Quote Originally Posted by DeicideUH View Post
    So what? Just stop pretending that there's more to the anti side than fear of having their feelings hurt.
    Sure there is, people arguing against Alliance High Elves have 14 years of WoW's success to back them up. Arguing for change without proper evidence is only going to convince the desperate, and WoW is doing fine.

  10. #6870
    Quote Originally Posted by FlubberPuddy View Post
    Except it wouldn't be harmful and didn't require that. It's just the community, like with everything per usual, likes to blow negatives out of proportion and deem it world ending. Like the crying out from Warlocks when DHs rightfully got metamorphosis and Warlocks went back to actually being about summoning demons, not turning into them.

    The effort put in doesn't mean it was a terrible idea, it means there's actually so many around the love the idea enough to put work into it. It's much easier to say "No" that takes barely any effort in comparison.

    It's also like the bitching about Flying through pathfinder still, still there's people who see it as a terrible idea but that doesn't mean Blizzard deems it a terrible idea. They do what they want, how they want, when they want, because it's their game.

    Taking it to mean the Antis were correct in this manner is very short-sighted. And the answer Blizzard gave was always in context to "right now" and almost every pro-HE person knew it wouldn't be possible right now. All it showed is that High Elves aren't coming right now, which everyone already knew.

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    I already did, are you purposefully being obtuse or are you just always like this? The newest chatter that Umbric tells VE players (and only VE players) is that they're all Silvermoon Blood Elves and need to earn the Alliance's trust.

    So until you can provide proof that HEs ARE transforming into VEs the current state is this: Every VE made from the recruitment scenario and every player VE is a former Silvermoon Blood Elf.

    Alliance High Elves wouldn't have to earn Alliance trust if they were already loyal. Therefore Alliance High Elves are not being made into VEs.

    You're trying to have me provide proof when you can't even provide proof for your claim.
    But Alleria does not and she leads them, or at least it seems that way in BFA. So are we missing something here deliberately?

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    Quote Originally Posted by protip View Post
    Playable races have different rules than NPCs. First and foremost, they have to be significantly different from other playable races, leaving wider margins for those on the other faction. Alliance High Elves and Blood Elves are racially identical, and because the Blood Elves are playable for the Horde already, playable high elves are and will continue to be a Horde exclusive option until the circumstances surrounding the issue change.
    Agree, but High Elves are not neutral in any sense. They're ether for the Horde (Blood Elves) or for the Alliance (High Elves and Void Elves) and don't start neutral ever like the Pandaren did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evilfish View Post
    But Alleria does not and she leads them, or at least it seems that way in BFA. So are we missing something here deliberately?
    Yup you're definitely being obtuse and a lot of other words I can't use to describe you or else I'd get banned.

    I'll leave you to your ignorance.

  12. #6872
    Quote Originally Posted by FlubberPuddy View Post
    Agree, but High Elves are not neutral in any sense. They're ether for the Horde (Blood Elves) or for the Alliance (High Elves and Void Elves) and don't start neutral ever like the Pandaren did.

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    Yup you're definitely being obtuse and a lot of other words I can't use to describe you or else I'd get banned.

    I'll leave you to your ignorance.
    Very convenient and typical helf fan response - get angry and ignore. I know, it's hard wanting something you can't get, but at least make a fucking effort to pretend you are making sense and not just making your "feelings" known.

  13. #6873
    Quote Originally Posted by Sorotia View Post
    "We have it so you can't have it" perfectly sums people like you up...as selfish as the Warchief I guess
    "But but Mom, I want what he has wahhh wahhh" perfectly sums up people like you... as childish as the High King I guess
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    Quote Originally Posted by Evilfish View Post
    Very convenient and typical helf fan response - get angry and ignore. I know, it's hard wanting something you can't get, but at least make a fucking effort to pretend you are making sense and not just making your "feelings" known.
    Lmao you're so transparent. You can't back up what you say so you just aim to throw insults and belittle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Strippling View Post
    "But but Mom, I want what he wants wahhh wahhh" perfectly sums up people like you... as childish as the High King I guess
    Sorry...there is a whole faction of High Elves on the Alliance...unlike umm...the only race even remotely human involved with the Horde is a race of walking corpses. Never any kind of vampire race of humans...or more than one unique non-decayed human ever involved with the Horde.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlubberPuddy View Post
    Lmao you're so transparent. You can't back up what you say so you just aim to throw insults and belittle.
    Welcome to the internet, sadly happens way to much.

  16. #6876
    Quote Originally Posted by FlubberPuddy View Post
    Lmao you're so transparent. You can't back up what you say so you just aim to throw insults and belittle.
    Whatever. I am giving you a fair chance to make your case. Believe it or not, I'm actually capable of being fair. Be thankful I'm trying to talk to you cause otherwise you'd be bumping your dead-horse of a thread by yourself. So show some common fucking curtesy and make an effort to keep the discussion going at least for the sake of your cause.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evilfish View Post
    Whatever. I am giving you a fair chance to make your case. Believe it or not, I'm actually capable of being fair. Be thankful I'm trying to talk to you cause otherwise you'd be bumping your dead-horse of a thread by yourself. So show some common fucking curtesy and make an effort to keep the discussion going at least for the sake of your cause.
    Don't expect people to treat you with any semblance of respect after you insult them and in general being a huge jerk to them. This is how basic communication works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evilfish View Post
    Whatever. I am giving you a fair chance to make your case. Believe it or not, I'm actually capable of being fair. Be thankful I'm trying to talk to you cause otherwise you'd be bumping your dead-horse of a thread by yourself. So show some common fucking curtesy and make an effort to keep the discussion going at least for the sake of your cause.
    I did, and your only response was a deflection to focus on Alleria, which has nothing to do with your original point of "the HEs in Telogrus are turning into VEs". For which I've been waiting on your proof for while providing my proof that nothing so far, even with the most current lore in BFA, says your idea is happening.

    Also, I don't care if this thread lives or dies. There's no reason for it to hop up on the front pages unless people are talking about High Elves, which of course there seems to be. It can fall off and my feelings will continue as they've always been: hope high elves get added some day!

    Your purpose seems to be just coming in here to shit on others, that's pretty useless. At least I provide extra info and clarification for anyone coming into the thread.

    Not just 'HE aren't happening get the fuck over it" as many Antis seem to be doing.

  19. #6879
    Well, I guess Blizzard finally made a distinction between high elves and blood elves. Blood elves are evil and high elves are good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wyrt View Post
    Well, I guess Blizzard finally made a distinction between high elves and blood elves. Blood elves are evil and high elves are good.
    The way some posters have been trying to snuff out the High Elf hope makes me think today's cinematics gets them going.

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