Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

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I am not the one bothered about my void elf not having white skin tone. I just commented on what so many others seemed driven by. I am not even against it, I don't share that aesthetic desire/want/need but if that is what a lot of people prefer, have at it. Just be open about what it is.

But I am actually against you assuming something for others and strongly implying that those who want High Elves are racist. And yes, based on your comment before, you do accuse those who want them as racists and all that "I am not against it" and "have at it" is just you hiding the real intention of your post, ironically something you accuse others of.

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

Where did he say that? I don't see where he said that.

You are not the first pro-High Elfer to see words that aren't there. You guys are adept at seeing words and meanings in places where they do not exist.

"I am glad people are finally admitting most of the desire for high elves for alliance is about a deep aesthetic desire for aryan visuals"

Like he LITERALLY said that??

I'm saying he shouldn't generalize, am I being too off base for you?

I am glad people are finally admitting most of the desire for high elves for alliance is about a deep aesthetic desire for aryan visuals.

For my part, I like the features but I am not bothered by my character not having white skin.

This reminds me of something a darker skinned latino girl told me from her childhood, she had a relative that had lighter skin and people were fawning over her even though the person I was talking to thought her looks did not warrant it.

But when it comes to looks, people are into what they are into. I care more about attractive features in my characters, so any blood elf model will do. Even one with bluish skin.

I am not the one bothered about my void elf not having white skin tone. I just commented on what so many others seemed driven by. I am not even against it, I don't share that aesthetic desire/want/need but if that is what a lot of people prefer, have at it. Just be open about what it is.

For context.

So yeah, miss me with your fake outrage about people being pissed at the "hurr durr high elf fans are racist and want to be white" implications. Of all the things this is the one you come batting for?

[Enkrypt]

"I am glad people are finally admitting most of the desire for high elves for alliance is about a deep aesthetic desire for aryan visuals"

Like he LITERALLY said that??

I'm saying he shouldn't generalize, am I being too off base for you?

He shouldn't generalize. To equate the desire for High Elves as merely a racist motivation is foolish. Why you are even falling prey to this deceptive type of trolling is beyond me.

Could it be said that some people just want a fair-skinned Elf on the Alliance side? Absolutely. Ion himself said it in as many words.

Could it be said that most of that desire comes from racism? No doubt there are racist people that play WoW, because I see it in /tradechat everyday. Does that mean it's grounds for him to say most of this stems from racism? Not at all. You need data to back that up. Of which he posted none. It's merely his opinion and he triggered you like a Russian kalashnikova.

So if you know the truth, kinda like I do, why even bother with him? Put him on ignore and move on. Don't be so naive in the face of an obvious troll. Miss me with that whole "not too smart" thing next time. You're clearly enraged.

[Wyrt]

I feel like you're basing this on the events of Teldrassil burning... in which case: you REALLY have to start open your eyes up and look on the forums. There are -A LOT- of people on the Horde side who are NOT okay with what Sylvanas does.

But hey, let's go with the logic that Blood elves and High Elves NOT being the same. At least the artsy cutscene showed really well that high elves aren't fit for the "surival of the fittest". "Imma gonna GUITAR SLIIIDE in STYLE and--- oh hello Arthas *DEAD*"

What players think doesn't matter. They're going to keep supporting Sylvanas for the foreseeable future. Blizzard doesn't give players choices.

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

He shouldn't generalize. To equate the desire for High Elves as merely a racist motivation is foolish. Why you are even falling prey to this deceptive type of trolling is beyond me.

Could it be said that some people just want a fair-skinned Elf on the Alliance side? Absolutely. Ion himself said it in as many words.

Could it be said that most of that desire comes from racism? No doubt there are racist people that play WoW, because I see it in /tradechat everyday. Does that mean it's grounds for him to say most of this stems from racism? Not at all. You need data to back that up. Of which he posted none. It's merely his opinion and he triggered you like a Russian kalashnikova.

So if you know the truth, kinda like I do, why even bother with him? Put him on ignore and move on. Don't be so naive in the face of an obvious troll. Miss me with that whole "not too smart" thing next time. You're clearly enraged.

Oh myghad the speed at what you hit that deflection had me like WHOA.

Where did he say that? I don't see where he said that.

You are not the first pro-High Elfer to see words that aren't there. You guys are adept at seeing words and meanings in places where they do not exist.

You are so disingenuous you actually leave me shook.

I'm sorry I'm just so emotional about this.

[Aldo Hawk]

He shouldn't generalize. To equate the desire for High Elves as merely a racist motivation is foolish. Why you are even falling prey to this deceptive type of trolling is beyond me.

Could it be said that some people just want a fair-skinned Elf on the Alliance side? Absolutely. Ion himself said it in as many words.

Could it be said that most of that desire comes from racism? No doubt there are racist people that play WoW, because I see it in /tradechat everyday. Does that mean it's grounds for him to say most of this stems from racism? Not at all. You need data to back that up. Of which he posted none. It's merely his opinion and he triggered you like a Russian kalashnikova.

So if you know the truth, kinda like I do, why even bother with him? Put him on ignore and move on. Don't be so naive in the face of an obvious troll. Miss me with that whole "not too smart" thing next time. You're clearly enraged.

This damage control is pity to say the least.

[Enkrypt]

Oh myghad the speed at what you hit that deflection had me like WHOA.



You are so disingenuous you actually leave me shook.

I'm sorry I'm just so emotional about this.

Apology accepted. You don't have to make excuses, dude. I didn't deflect anything. I agreed with you. Also, how am I being disingenuous? Please enlighten me on how you can read me that way through merely reading my forum post.

It's okay, though, your wounded pride will heal.

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This damage control is pity to say the least.

What was that? I didn't understand your incomplete thought. Just trolling? Okay, thought so.

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

Apology accepted. You don't have to make excuses, dude. I didn't deflect anything. I agreed with you.

It's okay, though, your wounded pride will heal.

Enkrypt, everybody! Give him a round of applause!

[Chain Chungus]

So we can only want high elves, or even a simulacra of them, only under what you prescribe our motivation is? You are not the first one to come with that one.

Look, people ant high elves for several reasons, some for lore, some because they just want to be a pretty elf and whatever. What are you bringing up to the conversation by generalizing all of our opinions under the "accept you just want to be a white and blond elf" misconstruction? Why are you attempting to build up this narrative as the truth? And you are not the only one that has done this.

This is just a common gaslighting tactic that racists use everywhere online these days. The fact that it is such a big deal to him is the big giveaway.

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

This is just a common gaslighting tactic that racists use everywhere online these days.

Perhaps, but as it stands in this context, this has certainly been a technique used against people that want different pixels on a videogame -sweet baby j-

The problem is that we can't just want to play a high elf, no, there has to be something morally deficient about us so people can be morally right about being against.

You can only laugh about it really.

[FlubberPuddy]

This is just a common gaslighting tactic that racists use everywhere online these days.

Sad they're projecting their own views onto others.

I want High Elves so Alliance can have an Elf Paladin. If Void Elves got that I wouldn't have been rallying for HEs.

People who come at others with "no THIS is actually why you want em" need to feel good about themselves by telling others how to be.

[TLH]

He shouldn't generalize. To equate the desire for High Elves as merely a racist motivation is foolish. Why you are even falling prey to this deceptive type of trolling is beyond me.

Could it be said that some people just want a fair-skinned Elf on the Alliance side? Absolutely. Ion himself said it in as many words.

Could it be said that most of that desire comes from racism? No doubt there are racist people that play WoW, because I see it in /tradechat everyday. Does that mean it's grounds for him to say most of this stems from racism? Not at all. You need data to back that up. Of which he posted none. It's merely his opinion and he triggered you like a Russian kalashnikova.

So if you know the truth, kinda like I do, why even bother with him? Put him on ignore and move on. Don't be so naive in the face of an obvious troll. Miss me with that whole "not too smart" thing next time. You're clearly enraged.

The term aryan was definitely loaded, but then so is a preference for white skinned characters more often than not. A lot of people don't like that being pointed out to them, that's too bad. Take heart that one of the areas people are allowed to have racial/aesthetic preferences with minimal stigma, are in player characters and dating.

[Chain Chungus]

Perhaps, but as it stands in this context, this has certainly been a technique used against people that want different pixels on a videogame -sweet baby j-

The problem is that we can't just want to play a high elf, no, there has to be something morally deficient about us so people can be morally right about being against.

You can only laugh about it really.

It is an attempt to force a moral equivalence onto a false equivalence, softening you up to later support (or at least be less outraged by) their own racism.

[Aldo Hawk]

What was that? I didn't understand your incomplete thought. Just trolling? Okay, thought so.

You understand it better than me, stop trying to fix your mistake throught stupid political gibberish, is obvious don't you think?

[Chain Chungus]

Sad they're projecting their own views onto others.

I want High Elves so Alliance can have an Elf Paladin. If Void Elves got that I wouldn't have been rallying for HEs.

People who come at others with "no THIS is actually why you want em" need to feel good about themselves by telling others how to be.

Indeed. Next they will call you racist for being sexually attracted to white people, even if you aren't only attracted to them.

[Enkrypt]

The term aryan was definitely loaded, but then so is a preference for white skinned characters more often than not. A lot of people don't like that being pointed out to them, that's too bad. Take heart that one of the areas people are allowed to have racial/aesthetic preferences with minimal stigma, are in player characters and dating.

Yeah, dude, but you're pretending these dozen or so posters represent most of the High Elf community. They don't. On top of that assertion, you're implying "most" of the desire for High Elves is based on a desire for a white-skinned elf. So my question to you is, do you have any data? Any information you've gathered to support this claim? You can't make racist allegations lightly. Be prepared to have something to back that shit up with, because to me, it's just hot garbage.

I'm moderately against High Elves being given to the Alliance because they are essentially what the Horde has as Blood Elves. In my mind there is no way to make that happen while keeping both factions happy, so it's best not to fuck with it in the first place. Just let the Alliance be unhappy, oh well, they're the beta faction anyway. But some of the people here have posted compelling reasons why Blizzard should give it some thought, no doubt. But to say racism is the motivation? Get the fuck outta here, dude.

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You understand it better than me, stop trying to fix your mistake throught stupid political gibberish, is obvious don't you think?

Uh... wut? You need to come at me a little stronger than that, Aldo. Come correct, dude, or don't at all.

You've yet to reply to my initial quote to you. Until you address that, I'm not really interested in your one-liner chicken scratch. Most of what you put out is utter nonsense, anyway. Not sure why I expected any different from you.

[TLH]

Yeah, dude, but you're pretending these dozen or so posters represent most of the High Elf community. They don't. On top of that assertion, you're implying "most" of the desire for High Elves is based on a desire for a white-skinned elf. So my question to you is, do you have any data? Any information you've gathered to support this claim? You can't make racist allegations lightly. Be prepared to have something to back that shit up with, because to me, it's just hot garbage.

I'm moderately against High Elves being given to the Alliance because they are essentially what the Horde has as Blood Elves. In my mind there is no way to make that happen while keeping both factions happy, so it's best not to fuck with it in the first place. Just let the Alliance be unhappy, oh well, they're the beta faction anyway. But some of the people here have posted compelling reasons why Blizzard should give it some thought, no doubt. But to say racism is the motivation? Get the fuck outta here, dude.

I think most of the desire for High Elves is driven by aesthetic preferences, as are most decisions on which race/characters to play as.

I started playing wow at the tail end of vanilla in 2006, and stayed until the beginning of cataclysm in 2010 before taking a long hiatus until legion. When I made my first mage, I wanted to play as an archetypal caster, and as a male... and hardest of all, a good looking caster.


There was nothing that checked all these boxes. So I chose the least hideous to my eyes, the human male. I always thought the human male in game model looked way too roided out, if it looked like the Kalecgos model I'd have been fine with it, but that was the best I could do. Otherwise I'd have to be a gnome or undead carcass.

Even later on when more races were allowed to be male, all of them, except for the blood elf model looked terrible for the male casters imo. Male night elves are way too buff / roided out to me. So I made a blood elf mage. But unlike many, my aesthetic preference was NOT based on the skin tone being white that made me gravitate to the blood elf. That is why it was no big deal for me to switch my human mage on alliance to void elf. The skin color was not as much as an aesthetic preference for me, as it is for many of the people here craving high elves.

So I have plenty of my own preferences. And on the extremes, REALLY dark skin tones or REALLY pasty white skin tones, I'm not fond of those either. Looking at you dbz/mr popo, uub = good, mr popo = disaster.


I think alliance players that want to play as a good looking paladin are in the same boat as I was when looking for a good looking model for a mage. Slim pickings on alliance side, there having the high elf models would help. And I hope you all get them.


But like I said earlier, I think most of this stuff is driven by pure/naked physical preferences.

[Andromedes]

I hate when people assume why I want to play as an Alliance high elf.. Some people say: ''You just want to fulfill your Lord of the rings fantasy of elves, men and dwarves together. This is not Lord of the rings'' and then this guy who is barfing something about racism..

[TLH]

I hate when people assume why I want to play as an Alliance high elf.. Some people say: ''You just want to fulfill your Lord of the rings fantasy of elves, men and dwarves together. This is not Lord of the rings'' and then this guy who is barfing something about racism..

I love it when people assume I am playing void elf to be some emo goth dude, makes it even more satisfying when I kill them in battlegrounds.

[Kendros]

High Elves are not a different race, they were just a caste of noble birth night elves. In appearence they are not different from any ordinary night elf so asking for high elves simply makes no sense and its very stupid to insist on it. Plus all of the remaning High elves that survived after the first war against the legion left to found silvermoon and turned into Blood elves so you have them right there.