Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[ausoin]

Which wouldn't make any sense. Being the same race and all - any customizations that they have (such as the face paint/feathers/tattoos/etc) would also be something blood elves would have available to them. Lor'themar and Sylvanas were rangers with Alleria at the same time - they just didn't paint their faces.

It's all just absurd. Imagine for a moment if they gave the Horde playable humans with new tattoos, new haircuts, and literally no other changes physiologically.
We could call them High Humans!

But the Void elves with an temporary appearance only ability have changes physiologically on every level.

[Villager720]

why not the defias brotherood? they are the human high elves.

Because then we'd have the same race playable on both factions.
Which is something, post Pandaren, they said they do not want to do.

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But the Void elves with an temporary appearance only ability have changes physiologically on every level.

Or just get an Orb of the Sin'dorei.

[Super Dickmann]

If the Horde gets red Draenei (=Eredar) instead - deal!

Sure, why not. I'd give them high elves for free if it means blood elves get to be fun again. In a better world, after the gutting of their TBC identity belves would have become lux vult elves purging the heretics, but it hasn't happened.

[ausoin]

Or just get an Orb of the Sin'dorei.

Sure create a new orb, orb of the quel'dorei, that's another solution.

[Villager720]

Sure create a new ord, orb of the quel'dorei that's another solution.

That is acceptable to me honestly.

We have a compromise Blizzard!

[ausoin]

Alleria was a vastly different scenario. Void Elves were partially transformed into etherals while Alleria had training in the void prior and absorbed a dark naaru.

The whole point of void elves was to give the alliance something close to high elves, but a bit different thematically and visually.

Giving them normal high elf options defeats the purpose. Worgen work because humans are already on the Alliance.

The only debacle going on is the discussion itself. The lore is all there; Blood Elves ARE High Elves and Blizzard has already stated as much. Alliance now, technically,has Void corrupted High Elves. The options are all there, whiners just aren't happy with the options they have.

Well with the orb like orb of the Sin'dorei they would still be completely the same, it would only be an illusion. When you think about it its a better idea then the ability to change back like with the worgen.

[Katchii]

Well with the orb like orb of the Sin'dorei they would still be completely the same, it would only be an illusion. A better idea then the ability to change back like with the worgen.

That's a really shallow compromise. In a world filled with magic, I understand it's possible to cast an illusion like this...we see it in quests all the time, but it just doesn't sit right with me.

If they implemented something like this it would feel far more like Blizzard caved in to this inane discussion with a "FINE! shut the fuck already, here's a costume item you can use to get your High Elf appearance, now leave me alone..."

Which, based on how this forum shows, wouldn't even do anything to stop the discussoin. IMO it would get even worse from there unless they implemented a fully functional "race" where they get to fully customize their appearance.

What I HOPE they finally do is just give Blood Elves blue eyes since the Sunwell is purified. The tears would be glorious.

[Florena]

Well with the orb like orb of the Sin'dorei they would still be completely the same, it would only be an illusion. When you think about it its a better idea then the ability to change back like with the worgen.

If we're talking magic illusions why stop there?!

Orcs can use magical illusions to look like gnomes! Pandaren can use illusions to look like Tauren!

The orb is a temporary toy and not something we ought to look to for long term race customization.

[Sunderella]

What about all those Alliance-aligned High Elves following Vereesa? :thinking:

let them dilute their genome mating with humans until there is no more high elves dressed in blue. then the debate will be over

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Hopefully they get Vareesa's Hobbit children too.

Nah see heres my dream for then. One becomes a VE and one becomes a BE. That way even the future of the High Elves is forever destroyed!

[Pregnant Orc]

The lack of physical model differences could have been solved by giving them the same level of model/skeleton change given to the Nightborne, Zandalari trolls or Kul'Tirans.

Three levels of differentiation to pick from.

Blood elf model is made to represent their city lifestyle just like the Night elf one is based on their outdoors lifestyle. Of course there are outdoorsy blood elves and city life night elves but the model represents one typical aspect of the race. So as long as the High elves are not high society living it up in their city of luxury we are good to go with something to help them look different.

[The Stormbringer]

let them dilute their genome mating with humans until there is no more high elves dressed in blue. then the debate will be over

I accept this burden... send me several High Elf women and I will assist in this, despite the great sacrifice.

[Fahrenheit]

Worgen & Goblin are getting finally refreshes later this expansion. By extension, I believe that we'll be getting allied race Sethrak and Vulpera seeing as those races are built off the goblin/fem worgen frames.

Not sure about HEs. Blizzard seems pretty adamantly against them. But, if it makes people happy, I hope it happens for them.

[Pebrocks The Warlock]

look at the Worgen, the player got infected and turned and five seconds later he could change back to a human form

I don't believe that's true actually. Wasn't it awhile later in their starting zone that the Worgen learns to change back to human because the Night Elves helped them. It wasn't "5 seconds later" or even 10 minutes later.

[baskev]

Still the same race - as noted by Ion, game director.
They do not want to give both factions the same playable race. It's that easy. Basic ideas are hard...i know.

Yes same race, different faction/beliefs. And you could even argue different (sub)race because of the origin of their power ( and their looks).
And ingame it has been shown to be 2 different factions/sub race. Again look ingame at suramar cinametic. 3 elf races get named by name: night, blood and high elves. AND ingame lore still see's high elves in alliance as high elves . But hey lets belief Ion. They guy who says azurite is okay, and said we as alliance where not getting anymore horses in 8.1....oohhh wait we are :P

And yes they do not want to give both factions the same race. So that is why i suggest to make the look like alleria....not the same as blood elves then. Blue tattoo's, blue eyes. Hell they could even do the weird tentecal thing with the hair even. But making the smurfs is just plain ugly.
See, not that hard huh. Making a race look different for the other faction. Hell nightborn are very close to night elves to. But they still went to the horde. Atleast they look normal instead of like blue smurfs.

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The only debacle going on is the discussion itself. The lore is all there; Blood Elves ARE High Elves and Blizzard has already stated as much. Alliance now, technically,has Void corrupted High Elves. The options are all there, whiners just aren't happy with the options they have.

Blizzard has not said that , Ion did. The same guy that defends azurite gear and says alliance does not get anymore horses in 8.1...and then more horses are datamined :S:S

And the LORE says high elves and blood elves are different. They belief other things. Their sources of magic are different. ( hence the different eye colors). Hell INGAME they are identified by a FREAKING RAID BOSS in LEGION that there are 3 races/subraces/factions of elves. Night, blood and HIGH.

But hey if blizzard does not want us to get high elves...why give us void elves to start with??
And if they giving us void elves could they have not come up with anything better then this???
What about making the look like aleria. So high elves with blue tattoo's on their body, hell give them the weird hair to .

[Pebrocks The Warlock]

I somewhat like the Void Elves and the fact they're on the Alliance because it makes High Elves fans go crazy. Always a great read since they've been added.

[Katchii]

Yes same race, different faction/beliefs. And you could even argue different (sub)race because of the origin of their power ( and their looks).
And ingame it has been shown to be 2 different factions/sub race. Again look ingame at suramar cinametic. 3 elf races get named by name: night, blood and high elves. AND ingame lore still see's high elves in alliance as high elves . But hey lets belief Ion. They guy who says azurite is okay, and said we as alliance where not getting anymore horses in 8.1....oohhh wait we are :P

And yes they do not want to give both factions the same race. So that is why i suggest to make the look like alleria....not the same as blood elves then. Blue tattoo's, blue eyes. Hell they could even do the weird tentecal thing with the hair even. But making the smurfs is just plain ugly.
See, not that hard huh. Making a race look different for the other faction. Hell nightborn are very close to night elves to. But they still went to the horde. Atleast they look normal instead of like blue smurfs.

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Blizzard has not said that , Ion did. The same guy that defends azurite gear and says alliance does not get anymore horses in 8.1...and then more horses are datamined :S:S

And the LORE says high elves and blood elves are different. They belief other things. Their sources of magic are different. ( hence the different eye colors). Hell INGAME they are identified by a FREAKING RAID BOSS in LEGION that there are 3 races/subraces/factions of elves. Night, blood and HIGH.

But hey if blizzard does not want us to get high elves...why give us void elves to start with??
And if they giving us void elves could they have not come up with anything better then this???
What about making the look like aleria. So high elves with blue tattoo's on their body, hell give them the weird hair to .

Ion works for Blizzard right? He's the game director? So if, in his capacity as the World of Warcraft Game Director working for Blizzard, as a spokesperson, he said something, it would be appropriate to say "Blizzard said "XXXX?" Right?

The lore states they are an identical race. Belief system and magic usage doesn't make them a difference race anymore than Democrats and Republicans are different races or British and Australians are different races. Or any other combination of a "human race" vs "human race." The name difference is equivalent to political parties having different names as a way to differentiate themselves politically.

Night Elf vs Blood Elf is an actual genetic/ racial difference. Blood elf vs High elf is just a political differentiation. There are Blood elves currently living that used to call themselves High elves.

[baskev]

Ion works for Blizzard right? He's the game director? So if, in his capacity as the World of Warcraft Game Director working for Blizzard, as a spokesperson, he said something, it would be appropriate to say "Blizzard said "XXXX?" Right?

Yup, does not make the answer correct. If you read the rest of the post. He also said there would not be anymore horse mounts for the alliance. And he can say all he wants in Q&A. But ingame the lore has shown that they are 2 different factions. That + eye color because of magic usage means they are different enough.

The lore states they are an identical race. Belief system and magic usage doesn't make them a difference race anymore than Democrats and Republicans are different races or British and Australians are different races. Or any other combination of a "human race" vs "human race." The name difference is equivalent to political parties having different names as a way to differentiate themselves politically.

That is where you are wrong. Like i said they are in lore different factions in a race. Like americans and russians in the cold war. But also different biological. 1 needs water to survive the other needs sand ( or fel energy's ( and now light) and the other mana). So they are different biological. They have different eye color for instance to make that clear.

Night Elf vs Blood Elf is an actual genetic/ racial difference. Blood elf vs High elf is just a political differentiation. There are Blood elves currently living that used to call themselves High elves.

I was talking about models ingame :S they look a lot alike.
And that is where you are wrong. Blood elves have different eye colors, and in lore some times ( not all the time). Blood elves are more "tanned" and less fair haired then high elves...again watch suramar cinametic...it clearly shows the difference.

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And like i said. I get that they do not want 2 races that look to much like each other. But there could have been better options then Emo smurfs with tenteclas on their head.

They could have change how blue they are, or gave them a lot of blue tattoo's. They could have still done something with the hair etc. Instead they gave us emo smurfs.

And i think the extra insult why most alliance players are bad is lightforged and kul tirans. 1 is a race witch is clearly been made out to be space nazi's ( because the light is bad now) and the other are fat humans that look like inbreds. We got 1 decent ( dark iron) warrior race, the rest are jokes. Also add the fact that out of the 4 allied races. alliance has 2 races with little to no lore/future to them.

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Ion works for Blizzard right? He's the game director? So if, in his capacity as the World of Warcraft Game Director working for Blizzard, as a spokesperson, he said something, it would be appropriate to say "Blizzard said "XXXX?" Right?

The lore states they are an identical race. Belief system and magic usage doesn't make them a difference race anymore than Democrats and Republicans are different races or British and Australians are different races. Or any other combination of a "human race" vs "human race." The name difference is equivalent to political parties having different names as a way to differentiate themselves politically.

Night Elf vs Blood Elf is an actual genetic/ racial difference. Blood elf vs High elf is just a political differentiation. There are Blood elves currently living that used to call themselves High elves.

Ion is not a lore guy, he himself admitted it and he clearly is not on the same page on High Elves (and on many other stuff) with some other Blizzard devs who write in game storylines. He also doesn't care about it, which is why his answers regarding High Elves are that of someone who first time saw high elves in WoW in a cinematic featuring Alleria despite it being a very hot debate among the community.

[Katchii]

Regardless of what you say...Blood Elves ARE High Elves. There are Blood Elves alive today that used to call themselves Blood Elves. Blood Elves only became a thing within the last 5-10 years in game. The name Blood Elf is homage to their fallen brethren. Kael'thas Sunstrider was the HIGH ELF who decided to change the name.

Your analogy is off. This would be more akin to the British colonists who came to North America and started calling themselves American. They're not different races, they're literally the same people. Getting a tan makes you a different race? C'mon man...

Keep stretching the lore, and physical differences you see in whatever cinematic you want. What you're pointing out does not make them a different race.