Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[Hawkknight97]

Yea sorry but I can't take you serious. The part I bolded shows that its your own head cannon and fantasizing that your request for high elfs is founded on. Sorry to break it to you kiddo, but the LORE is that the blood elfs SHOULD and DID join the Horde.... that's the established lore. It's set in stone. Anyone who disputes that it shouldn't have happened is purely just arguing to satisfy their own head cannon. And you my friend are doing just very that.

Also, Horde never asked for Blood Elfs. Blizzard decided to take the story in that direction. Head canon folks like yourself chose to get upset about that and to this day request that you get the same elfs on your side...despite the fact that those same high elfs in WCI and WCII ended up leaving the Alliance in WCIII and joining the Horde in BC. A few stragglers with no real purpose remained behind, a few of which formed the SC which serves no purpose but to counter the BE story arcs. The void elfs exist now to be that counter (light elfs vs shadow elfs, ergo light vs void). At this stage, there isn't really much going on for the high elfs and I think people need to learn to let go of the past and accept that the thallasian elf story is being progressed via blood elfs and void elfs.

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You just countered yourself in your own response.. that's incredible.

Also, in response to the bolded, WoW is not other games. WoW is a game where races do define factions. An integral part of the upcoming expansion is to literally recruit races into your faction. So I'm sorry but your point doesn't really stand.

Pandaren and shaman/paladins pushed the faction boundaries. In the case of Pandarens, Blizz attempted something new by implementing a shared faction race. Blizz also stated that they recognized it didn't work out they way they hoped and would likely not take that avenue again. In the case of shaman/paladin, gameplay wise there were a lot of issues revolving around balancing (especially for raiding). The most logical course of action was to allow both factions to play these classes and change the lore a bit to justify it. Blizz recognize the blurring of faction lines in the past and I would say don't want to jeopardize that boundary again, where possible.

In the case of high elfs, its a request from pro-high elfers purely based on a desire to have the aethestic... which is an unreasonable request as it blurs faction lines even further all so someone can play the pretty light skinned elf on the alliance. If the request was lore related (as in to see their story progress) then it should suffice to have high elf story via NPC, without the need to make them playable. Given the request is purely aethestic, and unfortunately factions on this game are by large defined by specific races, Blizz decided that a "the Horde is waiting for you" response was necessary. The response emphasized the importance of race/faction identity being integral to one another. If you can't see that then I don't know what else to say, except to stop demanding something and calling anybody stupid if they disagree with your demand.

You know something. I really can't take you serious ether. I mean your so blinded by One Developer that goes to sure your only making WoW as a whole no longer Warcraft in general. First off High Elves do have a purpose. Like seriously what is the silver covenant or other high elf factions going to do? Are they just going to sit around and do nothing while no lore Void Elves takes the spot light against the most generic story writing in history. God you antis have terrible headcanons in terms of the story and I'm sick of it..

Oh Light vs Void, Light Elf vs Shadow Elf. What kind of a response is that? Also to say that letting go past of Warcraft is like saying "Oh hey let's completely forget everything that made Warcraft 1, 2, and 3 likeable and just take out Warcraft 2 like it didn't happen. If there's one group of people that is to blame for being so blinded and entitled to reject high elves towards alliance players who wanted them is probably you Antis. Yea you think the Pro HEers bad. But atleast they have every proof about high elves and the story itself unlike this arc of light vs void story. I say Dungeons and Dragons Lore was better and even Legion itself. Because atleast we have something to fight then Darkness Bad! No wait Light is Bad! Stop defending Blizzard on this terrible writing of light vs void and void elves in general. Because I could see WoW turning into a generic final fantasy game than a Warcraft game that actually has REAL Fantasy Races than Fox people, than Emo Void Elves, than any other random races that just screams bad writing and bad game design.

Void Elves are bad game design. Light vs Void and Morally Grey are bad writing as well.

[Fyersing]

Well damn son, This is next level grasping at straws.

It's not grasping at anything, simply regurgitating what they've said without any inferences.

I'm not arguing that this is proof that they're adding anything. You, however, are arguing that their statement is proof-positive that they won't be adding something -- which is simply untrue, and would be entirely out of character for Blizzard (and video game developers, generally) to promise.

They did say you have to play horde to be a fair skinned elf sorry. In other words you can rewatch it.. I defo means no.

The problem is, this "defo" isn't what was said. It may come as a surprise to you, but words and the order they're arranged in has a fairly large impact on their meaning; in this case, what Ion said was that Blood Elves kind of are High Elves (and he added, "with slightly different eye color, different backstory in terms of their relationship with magic and the Sunwell...", which is mildly amusing because this applies equally for Void Elves), and that if that's what you're looking for then you can currently get that fix by playing Horde.

You can link every interview Ion has ever given and you'll never once find an instance of him saying, "we'll never add High Elves". It simply isn't stated, so you can't claim anything as being "defo" proof.

reading between lines is hard, but I clearly got a no out of it, also not the first time he says no to this, why should you believe there is hope for this when you even got void elves instead of high elves.

I mean, I couldn't care less about playable High Elves in the sense that I wouldn't roll one even if it were added. I just don't like people (thousands of people, even, by the looks of this particular thread) throwing around off-the-cuff statements that are themselves intentionally vague and open-ended as if they're "proof of intent" from Blizzard. They're not.

[Strippling]

You know something. I really can't take you serious ether. I mean your so blinded by One Developer that goes to sure your only making WoW as a whole no longer Warcraft in general. First off High Elves do have a purpose. Like seriously what is the silver covenant or other high elf factions going to do? Are they just going to sit around and do nothing while no lore Void Elves takes the spot light against the most generic story writing in history. God you antis have terrible headcanons in terms of the story and I'm sick of it..

Oh Light vs Void, Light Elf vs Shadow Elf. What kind of a response is that? Also to say that letting go past of Warcraft is like saying "Oh hey let's completely forget everything that made Warcraft 1, 2, and 3 likeable and just take out Warcraft 2 like it didn't happen. If there's one group of people that is to blame for being so blinded and entitled to reject high elves towards alliance players who wanted them is probably you Antis. Yea you think the Pro HEers bad. But atleast they have every proof about high elves and the story itself unlike this arc of light vs void story. I say Dungeons and Dragons Lore was better and even Legion itself. Because atleast we have something to fight then Darkness Bad! No wait Light is Bad! Stop defending Blizzard on this terrible writing of light vs void and void elves in general. Because I could see WoW turning into a generic final fantasy game than a Warcraft game that actually has REAL Fantasy Races than Fox people, than Emo Void Elves, than any other random races that just screams bad writing and bad game design.

Void Elves are bad game design. Light vs Void and Morally Grey are bad writing as well.

I never said Blizz's writing was good...Not sure how you came up with that conclusion. But given that you did conclude that, I think your head canon will influence the way you read my post (or any "anti's" post). On that note, I'm not going to respond.

p.s here's the definition of headcanon fyi: headcanon. Noun. (uncountable) (fandom slang) Elements and interpretations of a fictional universe accepted by an individual fan, but not found within or supported by the official canon.

Kind of sums up a lot of "pro's" posts quite well don't you say?

[Evilfish]

Well Let's see maybe its because Pro HEers as you Antis like to call them really don't have time to deal with the harassment, insulting, and false flagging down high elf posts/threads in order to get a raise of out of them that you people do on a daily basis.

Instead of actually agreeing with something that is wrong with Allied Race System of how Alliance Players getting treated like shit by Blizzard for not giving them the real high elves aka Void Elves the False High Elves and the expansion as a whole. You guys instead have a agenda of harassing people who wanted high elves, You Bully them and force them to ether play the Void Elf and Blood Elf, You silence them when one Developer is wrong and needs to be called out for his false bias towards one playerbase faction, You keep on saying Blood Elves are High Elves to shut people up, and of course have a agenda of getting blue eyes for no lore reasons other than we deserve them because we are Blood Elf Players we are the High Elves and Alliance Players can go screw themselves.

Heck even trying to show many different ways of how High Elves can be playable and even more to them and yet you people the Antis continue to act self entitled and don't even a single shit about what other faction wants. Why should we even form a discussion with you if you guys continue to shove in the same stupid quote from one developer, continually forcing people to play 2 elves where no one wanted to, and simple haven't really cared or really didn't play on the alliance at all to see why people want to play high elves, why people wanted to play wildhammer dwarves, etc, etc, and etc.

But you know why brother because you guys obvious don't care about the other side of the community. You just care about you. Yourself, and Horde only. Because honestly at this point I really wish Anti Hate Band Wagon can just die. Like I said few comments back before I got ignored and insulted again. If Blizzard actually give the real High Elves for the Alliance Players. Then all of this 7 months of pure drama wouldn't happen. But Blizzard screwed up royally and because the horde side doesn't give any fucks about what the other side wants. It already happened.

I don't see them harassed, flagged or insulted, I do see them acting like all those things were done to them when someone simply said no not to mention someone who goes past a simple no and points out the obvious hypocrisy and collective hate in these threads aimed at people who don't comply with this "vision". I get it, some of them might think that the people who disagree are in fact to blame for not having playable Helfs. But that's not true. If that were true you wouldn't even have Velfs.

And honestly, as far as I'm concerned the Allied races are great, I love the addition of the NB, HM tauren and the LF draenei since they actively participated to the story of the Legion expansion. It makes more sense to get them as to resurrect some by-gone elves just cause some guys in the Alliance can't handle playing a dark-skinned helf. It might come as a shock to you but there are some Belf players that are NOT just waiting for the Alliance to "save" them from the Horde and they enjoy their position in the Horde. Having the race of their choice FULLY cloned would be quite disappointing to them. But you fellas don't care about that. No matter what they say, they are the bullies and you are always the victims. No other way. But you are the ones trying to take. You are the ones trying to steer everyone on the other side of your "argument" into a guilt-trip. You are not victims, just people trying to weaponize pity.

But this amuses me a lot. You guys simply don't want to accept that the whole Helf idea is unacceptable but you expect everyone to understand why you won't accept Velfs as the only compromise. Another example of hypocrisy to add to the very large pile. But you are right. Why attempt to discuss something with people who won't accept anything less than exactly what they keep demanding, no matter what consequences there might be. No need to point out the hypocrisy in this as well, I guess.

And it's ironic you would say what you said in the end, you know how you can "kill" the Anti-Helf Hate Band Wagon? Stop asking for Helfs. And if you think that anyone is going to forget how long and hard you cried should you ever get these Helfs, then you are deluding yourselves once again. But that seems to be your thing I suppose.

[Darththeo]

You just countered yourself in your own response.. that's incredible.

Also, in response to the bolded, WoW is not other games. WoW is a game where races do define factions. An integral part of the upcoming expansion is to literally recruit races into your faction. So I'm sorry but your point doesn't really stand.

Pandaren and shaman/paladins pushed the faction boundaries. In the case of Pandarens, Blizz attempted something new by implementing a shared faction race. Blizz also stated that they recognized it didn't work out they way they hoped and would likely not take that avenue again. In the case of shaman/paladin, gameplay wise there were a lot of issues revolving around balancing (especially for raiding). The most logical course of action was to allow both factions to play these classes and change the lore a bit to justify it. Blizz recognize the blurring of faction lines in the past and I would say don't want to jeopardize that boundary again, where possible.

In the case of high elfs, its a request from pro-high elfers purely based on a desire to have the aethestic... which is an unreasonable request as it blurs faction lines even further all so someone can play the pretty light skinned elf on the alliance. If the request was lore related (as in to see their story progress) then it should suffice to have high elf story via NPC, without the need to make them playable. Given the request is purely aethestic, and unfortunately factions on this game are by large defined by specific races, Blizz decided that a "the Horde is waiting for you" response was necessary. The response emphasized the importance of race/faction identity being integral to one another. If you can't see that then I don't know what else to say, except to stop demanding something and calling anybody stupid if they disagree with your demand.

I am starting to think you maybe functionally illiterate. There isn't a counter in my own argument ... you just don't understand that this isn't a black and white issue.

Yes, WoW isn't other games, but you seem to ignore the hints the have dropped since MoP that the faction "wall" so to speak isn't really as strong as they are portraying it. In fact, this is why people believe a "traitor expansion" may follow BfA where the factions allow some if not all races to switch factions. Pandaren was an experiment that didn't work out the way they wanted in order to continue to tell a story involving that race ... it wasn't because they are neutral but rather how they were made neutral (where it is up to the player to pick the faction). They could easily make another neutral race (say Vrykul) where truly distinct factions one goes Horde and one goes Alliance (ie like Northrend goes Horde while Valajar goes Alliance.)

You don't get to assert why another person wants something especially when they have given reasons other than aethestics, even if you disagree with said reason or believe the person is being dishonest. You don't have a right to tell people the reason they want something. Here let me do this to you ... you don't want high elves playable not because blizzard said no or that it blurs faction identity ... you don't want them playable because you just want to troll those that do. Is that fair for me to say? No.

[Hawkknight97]

I never said Blizz's writing was good...Not sure how you came up with that conclusion. But given that you did conclude that, I think your head canon will influence the way you read my post (or any "anti's" post). On that note, I'm not going to respond.

p.s here's the definition of headcanon fyi: headcanon. Noun. (uncountable) (fandom slang) Elements and interpretations of a fictional universe accepted by an individual fan, but not found within or supported by the official canon.

Kind of sums up a lot of "pro's" posts quite well don't you say?

Like I said I really can't take you serious for not even understanding anything about the theme of WoW. You choose to continue ignoring what made the alliance who are they today. Blood Elves or High Elves as you Antis like to preach didn't make the horde. Still continuing agreeing the ignorant response of a developer just goes to show you guys are only making the theme and the story of wow a lot worst than it already is.

You think Pro's are making WoW Worst. Guess a again. Because its obvious you guys are never truly Warcraft fans at all if you think everything should be throw at you on one only faction while forcing or telling the real Warcraft fans to accept poor writing like Void Elves while ruining your own horde faction in give me more pretty races instead of iconic ones.

Kind of sums up why you guys are the main problem of wow and even the wow community in general.

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I don't see them harassed, flagged or insulted, I do see them acting like all those things were done to them when someone simply said no not to mention someone who goes past a simple no and points out the obvious hypocrisy and collective hate in these threads aimed at people who don't comply with this "vision". I get it, some of them might think that the people who disagree are in fact to blame for not having playable Helfs. But that's not true. If that were true you wouldn't even have Velfs.

And honestly, as far as I'm concerned the Allied races are great, I love the addition of the NB, HM tauren and the LF draenei since they actively participated to the story of the Legion expansion. It makes more sense to get them as to resurrect some by-gone elves just cause some guys in the Alliance can't handle playing a dark-skinned helf. It might come as a shock to you but there are some Belf players that are NOT just waiting for the Alliance to "save" them from the Horde and they enjoy their position in the Horde. Having the race of their choice FULLY cloned would be quite disappointing to them. But you fellas don't care about that. No matter what they say, they are the bullies and you are always the victims. No other way. But you are the ones trying to take. You are the ones trying to steer everyone on the other side of your "argument" into a guilt-trip. You are not victims, just people trying to weaponize pity.

But this amuses me a lot. You guys simply don't want to accept that the whole Helf idea is unacceptable but you expect everyone to understand why you won't accept Velfs as the only compromise. Another example of hypocrisy to add to the very large pile. But you are right. Why attempt to discuss something with people who won't accept anything less than exactly what they keep demanding, no matter what consequences there might be. No need to point out the hypocrisy in this as well, I guess.

And it's ironic you would say what you said in the end, you know how you can "kill" the Anti-Helf Hate Band Wagon? Stop asking for Helfs. And if you think that anyone is going to forget how long and hard you cried should you ever get these Helfs, then you are deluding yourselves once again. But that seems to be your thing I suppose.

Here we go once again of saying it's our fault that we the alliance/Pro HEers are the ones trying ask Blizzard to fix their screw up or atleast give something original or iconic instead of being insulted. You people think we trying to weaponize pity? What kind of a statement is that. Its obvious you people don't care for the theme of WoW/Warcraft at all nor the stories of both factions from the early Warcraft games.

P.S Its not our fault how you guys act this way and probably are the main reason why your making the community around WoW a lot more worst than good. It just goes to show you Antis are going to be the ones who will bring down WoW. Not us Pro HEers nor Alliance Players who played Warcraft 2 and Etc. You Anti HEers.

[Sigxy]

Hopefully not too off-topic but I do want to ask the high elf fans, since I'm definitely not as big of a fan as they are I think:

Since I'm working on a custom campaign on WC3 and I need 2 high elf basic units for an army roster, what would be the most 'easy picks'?

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Hopefully not too off-topic but I do want to ask the high elf fans, since I'm definitely not as big of a fan as they are I think:

Since I'm working on a custom campaign on WC3 and I need 2 high elf basic units for an army roster, what would be the most 'easy picks'?

Archer, priest.

[Hawkknight97]

Hopefully not too off-topic but I do want to ask the high elf fans, since I'm definitely not as big of a fan as they are I think:

Since I'm working on a custom campaign on WC3 and I need 2 high elf basic units for an army roster, what would be the most 'easy picks'?

Archer/Ranger, Priest, and Mage. Don't forget about the Iconic Warcraft 3 High Elf Mage. XD

[Sigxy]

Archer, priest.

Archer/Ranger, Priest, and Mage. Don't forget about the Iconic Warcraft 3 High Elf Mage. XD

Thanks for sharing the input! <3

[ArguesWithStrangers]

Anyone else annoyed with Alleria’s story now with the whole void thing? The whole bit about her distancing from Turalyon, after being at his side through all they’ve been through is just a depressing turn for a story that was dangled in front of us for a decade. I’m not saying everything should be perfect in the lives of these two, but this really does nothing for me. I think the whole plot line is forced and not entertaining.

Beyond Alleria, Nothing about the void elves seems compelling from a narrative standpoint. A handful of rogue blood elves suffering from paranoid schizophrenia constitutes an “allied race”...... whoopty do

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

Hopefully not too off-topic but I do want to ask the high elf fans, since I'm definitely not as big of a fan as they are I think:

Since I'm working on a custom campaign on WC3 and I need 2 high elf basic units for an army roster, what would be the most 'easy picks'?

Ranger and Mage feel like the most iconic classes for HE. Personally, I think it would be interesting to see the Ranger as less of a weak ranged unit since I feel "Rangers" on elven culture are basically the foot soldier archetype, but I don't think what kind of gameplay a unit between a Human Footman and a Night Elven Archer would bring.

And Mages as a more basic distance unit would be pretty fun.

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Anyone else annoyed with Alleria’s story now with the whole void thing? The whole bit about her distancing from Turalyon, after being at his side through all they’ve been through is just a depressing turn for a story that was dangled in front of us for a decade. I’m not saying everything should be perfect in the lives of these two, but this really does nothing for me. I think the whole plot line is forced and not entertaining.

Beyond Alleria, Nothing about the void elves seems compelling from a narrative standpoint. A handful of rogue blood elves suffering from paranoid schizophrenia constitutes an “allied race”...... whoopty do

IMO I feel they are still at the point where they are trying to make it work, so I'm hoping there aren't going with the "now I must leave uuuu" route.

So far we have pretty much nothing about the ways of the Void Elves as a people, and it's hard they will be anything beyond "Alleria's personal army" anytime soon. Maybe that will work out fine in time as we get the VE trying to forge their own path on a calmer period, so *shrug*

Honestly I'm more bothered that Alleria might be a Void Elf, but she still looks like the Ur example of the High Elf War 2 fantasy lol. The group that looks like her is unplayable, and the group that is playable doesn't look like her.And it's not just the being a "human" skinned elf, but the fact that her whole aesthetic is High Elven instead of Void Elven, which bring us to the fact that the VE barely have their own aesthetic, a cool one indeed, but that exists removed from any solid influence -I guess that is intended to be a mashup between ethereal and elven aesthetics?- There's no explanation why the VE aesthetics are what they are, they just feel too much removed of the diegesis of the lore.

Honestly if Umbric's acolytes would have already going for the aesthetic while researching -like, the uniform of their little group? eh- that would have been enough. That they had been purposely separating themselves aesthetically of their blood elven past to forge their own identity as "renegade" elves.

[Sigxy]

Ranger and Mage feel like the most iconic classes for HE. Personally, I think it would be interesting to see the Ranger as less of a weak ranged unit since I feel "Rangers" on elven culture are basically the foot soldier archetype, but I don't think what kind of gameplay a unit between a Human Footman and a Night Elven Archer would bring.

And Mages as a more basic distance unit would be pretty fun.

Think the only way for that to work, sadly, would be if if you add 2 weapon types and ranged only works on flying. :< Would be possible to give them abilities that works at range but I think that'd go a bit too far on the multi-tasking side. And the fact that unless there's a REALLY good looking custom unit out there somewhere, a bit hard to take it seriously when one fights with point-blank shot animations!

Anyone else annoyed with Alleria’s story now with the whole void thing? The whole bit about her distancing from Turalyon, after being at his side through all they’ve been through is just a depressing turn for a story that was dangled in front of us for a decade. I’m not saying everything should be perfect in the lives of these two, but this really does nothing for me. I think the whole plot line is forced and not entertaining.

Beyond Alleria, Nothing about the void elves seems compelling from a narrative standpoint. A handful of rogue blood elves suffering from paranoid schizophrenia constitutes an “allied race”...... whoopty do

M'yeah, to be honest I'd prefer it if they could actually chill out together rather than having this issue they got now.

I mean, unless they somehow cure that void thing - which I'm not sure is possible - they are going to have to live like this for the rest of their lives. That's not really all that great and should take on their mentality a bit. x_x

[ninthbelief]

WoW forums are abuzz over High Elves again thanks to a mix of Blizzard slapping High Elves all over Warfronts and the community somehow not knowing about it despite all the arguments showcasing it up till now.

This thread has been linked more than once over there, so expect people to be reading and for newcomers to be showing up.

Edit: Also, remember not to give trolls any attention. That's all they're here for. If someone isn't contributing to the discussion, ignore them, they will go away.

[dgi7]

a tangible form of autism

Yeah, you should really go and have that checked out. People might be worried about your health.

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You know something. I really can't take you serious ether. I mean your so blinded by One Developer that goes to sure your only making WoW as a whole no longer Warcraft in general. First off High Elves do have a purpose. Like seriously what is the silver covenant or other high elf factions going to do? Are they just going to sit around and do nothing while no lore Void Elves takes the spot light against the most generic story writing in history. God you antis have terrible headcanons in terms of the story and I'm sick of it..

Oh Light vs Void, Light Elf vs Shadow Elf. What kind of a response is that? Also to say that letting go past of Warcraft is like saying "Oh hey let's completely forget everything that made Warcraft 1, 2, and 3 likeable and just take out Warcraft 2 like it didn't happen. If there's one group of people that is to blame for being so blinded and entitled to reject high elves towards alliance players who wanted them is probably you Antis. Yea you think the Pro HEers bad. But atleast they have every proof about high elves and the story itself unlike this arc of light vs void story. I say Dungeons and Dragons Lore was better and even Legion itself. Because atleast we have something to fight then Darkness Bad! No wait Light is Bad! Stop defending Blizzard on this terrible writing of light vs void and void elves in general. Because I could see WoW turning into a generic final fantasy game than a Warcraft game that actually has REAL Fantasy Races than Fox people, than Emo Void Elves, than any other random races that just screams bad writing and bad game design.

Void Elves are bad game design. Light vs Void and Morally Grey are bad writing as well.

I find Light vs. Void brilliant. You are just a ungrateful, narcisstic, special snowflake who insists on something to be re-created though there isn't anymore reason for this left. You have a Blood Elf model in the Alliance, though with a different flavour of colours - but with the best styling of all Allied Races coming out of Legion. You got the race which continues the story of the Thalassian elves, while the BE storyline will now be more and more reactive, because it's the Nightborne elves who now get more of the spotlight on the Horde side. You have a race which is pretty much unique to Warcraft, because no other race has this much of focus towards the Void, all other worship the Light. What do you want on top of that?

[Hawkknight97]

I find Light vs. Void brilliant. You are just a ungrateful, narcisstic, special snowflake who insists on something to be re-created though there isn't anymore reason for this left. You have a Blood Elf model in the Alliance, though with a different flavour of colours - but with the best styling of all Allied Races coming out of Legion. You got the race which continues the story of the Thalassian elves, while the BE storyline will now be more and more reactive, because it's the Nightborne elves who now get more of the spotlight on the Horde side. You have a race which is pretty much unique to Warcraft, because no other race has this much of focus towards the Void, all other worship the Light. What do you want on top of that?

Oh ungrateful. You know what players like you are the reason why the lore sucks now. So tried of dealing with this BS. Special Snowflake my ass. I don't care if I get another false report because you butthurt entitled baby blood elf players can't respect anything in this damn game. Fuck off.

[Fyersing]

I find Light vs. Void brilliant. You are just a ungrateful, narcisstic, special snowflake who insists on something to be re-created though there isn't anymore reason for this left. You have a Blood Elf model in the Alliance, though with a different flavour of colours - but with the best styling of all Allied Races coming out of Legion. You got the race which continues the story of the Thalassian elves, while the BE storyline will now be more and more reactive, because it's the Nightborne elves who now get more of the spotlight on the Horde side. You have a race which is pretty much unique to Warcraft, because no other race has this much of focus towards the Void, all other worship the Light. What do you want on top of that?

The latter part of this response is why it probably would've been better, for the factions, if Void Elves were Horde and Nightborne were Alliance -- but that's only because of the original blunder of Night Elves being Alliance and Blood Elves being Horde.

Maybe we'll get lucky and factions will disappear, allowing Blizzard to lump High Elves in with the Blood Elves and let you play with whomever you enjoy playing with. If that happens to be three varieties of human and a Dark Iron Dwarf, then so be it.

[Obelisk Kai]

The latter part of this response is why it probably would've been better, for the factions, if Void Elves were Horde and Nightborne were Alliance -- but that's only because of the original blunder of Night Elves being Alliance and Blood Elves being Horde.

Maybe we'll get lucky and factions will disappear, allowing Blizzard to lump High Elves in with the Blood Elves and let you play with whomever you enjoy playing with. If that happens to be three varieties of human and a Dark Iron Dwarf, then so be it.

I would have preferred Void Elves on the Horde too and Nightborne for the Alliance. The storyline could even have been tweaked to produce such a result. Instead of being instantly hostile towards the Nightborne, Tyrande could have been sympathetic and accommodating. Instead of the Void Elves being saved by Alleria, Umbric's experiments could have drawn the attention of Sylvanas who could have agreed the Void Elves would serve the Horde (despite Rommath's protestations. But as we've seen, ignoring Rommath and paying for it later seems to be a problem within the Horde).

Yet the Void Elves and the Nightborne are unique amongst all the Allied races in that their 'parents' are on the opposite factions. Mag'har Orcs and Orcs are on the same side. Highmountain Tauren and Tauren are on the same side. Dark Iron Dwarves and Dwarves are on the same side. Lightforged Draenei and Draenei are on the same side. So why did these two buck the trend and end up on the other side of the faction wall?

Simple. They wanted to give the Alliance a thalassian elf model in order to appease some of the sentiment for a playable High Elf. Blizzard was listening to the demand for all these years. They knew it existed. Yet the barriers I long argued (in threads that existed many years before this one) would hamper High Elves being added proved insumountable for them and they created a variant instead. Once you understand that the variant was designed as an attempted compromise, to give the Alliance something that was a bit like a Blood Elf (which is a High Elf) but with a unique flavour of it's own, you understand just how little chance there is of them going back and granting pure High Elves to the Alliance. Yes, they couldn't satisfy the hard core of High Elf fans. I don't think they ever thought they could. Every choice they make has a group of people unhappy with it. They knew they couldn't make everyone happy.

I do however object to two of your statements. I see little chance of Blizzard scrapping the iconic Horde and Alliance factions and would vehemently argue against it. Scrapping the factions is one of those ideas like a third faction that most people like discussing, but know in their bones Blizzard is never going to do. Seeing people who want High Elves argue for it because it would allow them to play a non void thalassian with Allliance friends is too big a demand by far.

Secondly, your belief that the Night Elves and Blood Elves ended up on the wrong factions. When the choice was made behind the scenes to adopt a faction based approach to the game world, the Night Elves had to go somewhere, and it was never going to be the Orcs who killed Cenarius and who needed to chop down their wood in Ashenvale. Similarly the Blood Elves had to go somewhere, and it wasn't going to be with the Humans who sentenced them to death and who were appalled by their magical addiction. Each race had only one choice of two and they ended up where they were always fated to go.

And both have flourished within their respective factions, becoming mainstays of each.

[Starla]

Oh ungrateful. You know what players like you are the reason why the lore sucks now. So tried of dealing with this BS. Special Snowflake my ass. I don't care if I get another false report because you butthurt entitled baby blood elf players can't respect anything in this damn game. Fuck off.

If anything it's posts like this that prove the fanatical Helfers are the ones who are trying to ruin the game.