Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[Syegfryed]

Ehh, yeah, if you ignore the part of the High Elves that are in the Alliance

this can be easily ignore because they are just a small and insignificant amount of elves

and was part of the storyline in WotLK, Cata, MoP(big time), WoD, Legion(a lot)

they did what again? they were just npcs with no value on lore, and could be completly erased or easily removed and the story could goes the same

WtLK? just some shenanigans with blood elves, on the crusade, the only storyline i can remember is about the elf sword, who is canocially wih Liadrin

Cata? compltly removed and retconed by chronicles in zulaman, MOP? token npcs sidekick of jaina and the kirin tor - humans, Legion? sidekick of night elves who played the major role

and now they are in the Alliance War Campaign

Random npcs

And I guess you forgot Void Elves whos also High Elves.

thats great, thats why high elves playable should not happen, in fact, void elves have more lore, deep and spotlight in wow lore than high elves, weird

And you truly believe that You said in the existence btw.

in the entire wow existence, yes, sadly

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Too bad, that you cant play as Rexxar, because he is notable character, not some random adventurer you can create.

dunno man, people are going nuts asking half-ogre allied race, you could be surprised

[Kithelle]

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Your bias is showing, calling Ogres more relevant in BfA than High Elves in all of WoW just shows how delusional you are, that you're willing to say anything just to dismiss people.

Sorry...High Elves have been leading the charge of things in multiple expansions while Ogres just sit around and scratch there heads in a few random Horde villages.

I guess in your little head canon fantasy world the Silver Covenant doesn't exist? Because if they were gone it would pretty much kill any High Elf argument...so you pretend they don't exist.

[Andromedes]

Yeah, Mok'nathal or ogres arent relevant in story. Only Rexxar as a person. Also mok'nathal are too few in numbers and as we were told for years, numbers really matter. We cant have playable faction of one lodge or small village.

It would be nice, if those low population races were locked behind some hardly obtainable achievment, so there isnt too many people playing them.. But it would be waste of development time i guess.

[Doffen]

this can be easily ignore because they are just a small and insignificant amount of elves

they did what again? they were just npcs with no value on lore, and could be completly erased or easily removed and the story could goes the same

WtLK? just some shenanigans with blood elves, on the crusade, the only storyline i can remember is about the elf sword, who is canocially wih Liadrin

Cata? compltly removed and retconed by chronicles in zulaman, MOP? token npcs sidekick of jaina and the kirin tor - humans, Legion? sidekick of night elves who played the major role

Yeah the bolded part is the main issue here it seems.

Random npcs

Sure, but we still got the Silver Covenant with Vereesa Windrunner. Not sure you heard about them. And it's just the start so far. But the list of expansions just shows High Elves in the Alliance have gotten a lot of story.

thats great, thats why high elves playable should not happen, in fact, void elves have more lore, deep and spotlight in wow lore than high elves, weird

Yeah, weird, because in what world is this the truth

in the entire wow existence, yes, sadly

Yeah, it is sad when people have followed this game for so long and don't know that the High Elves of the Alliance have played a major part. It's the second most used race in the Alliance story after Humans.

[Shaqthefat]

Your bias is showing, calling Ogres more relevant in BfA than High Elves in all of WoW just shows how delusional you are, that you're willing to say anything just to dismiss people.

Sorry...High Elves have been leading the charge of things in multiple expansions while Ogres just sit around and scratch there heads in a few random Horde villages.

I guess in your little head canon fantasy world the Silver Covenant doesn't exist? Because if they were gone it would pretty much kill any High Elf argument...so you pretend they don't exist.

There aren't really enough of them to justify making blood elves a neutral race, because thats basically what a high elf allied race is.

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Sure, but we still got the Silver Covenant with Vereesa Windrunner. Not sure you heard about them. And it's just the start so far. But the list of expansions just shows High Elves in the Alliance have gotten a lot of story.

They haven't gotten any story lol

[Syegfryed]

Your bias is showing, calling Ogres more relevant in BfA than High Elves in all of WoW just shows how delusional you are, that you're willing to say anything just to dismiss people.

no, i call HALF-ogres, as more relevant than high elves

pls show some MEANINGFUL, lore impact, high elves did, besides showing up as npcs and doing nothing

Sorry...High Elves have been leading the charge of things in multiple expansions

"leading the chare" thats factual false, and you know it

I guess in your little head canon fantasy world the Silver Covenant doesn't exist? Because if they were gone it would pretty much kill any High Elf argument...so you pretend they don't exist.

rly funny call my headcanon, as far s i know silver covenant did shit to wow lore besides killing some random elves in MOP because Jaina - a human - told to

[Doffen]

They haven't gotten any story lol

True, TBC, WotLK, MoP and Legion was just a figment of my imagination

[Syegfryed]

Yeah, Mok'nathal or ogres arent relevant in story. Only Rexxar as a person.

he still is a mok'nathl, and is more relevant in story than any high elf together, not even veressa surpass him

Also mok'nathal are too few in numbers and as we were told for years, numbers really matter. We cant have playable faction of one lodge or small village.

i know that, i don't want half-ogres playable, but they will do regardless the reasons against it, you can quote me later

[Shaqthefat]

True, TBC, WotLK, MoP and Legion was just a figment of my imagination

Yeah, because they didn't do anything besides stand around. Although to your credit Vereesa did get a bit of story in MoP

[Syegfryed]

Yeah the bolded part is the main issue here it seems.

remove then from mop you have blood elves and lothermar vs human of kirin tor and jaina, no effect on lore, and the story would go the same

Remove then form Legion and you have blood elves nd liadrin "vs" tyrnde and the night elves, no effect on lore, the story would go the same but the elisande speech short

Sure, but we still got the Silver Covenant with Vereesa Windrunner. Not sure you heard about them.

I hear about then, no, in fact i just saw then, like token npcs, nothing else,

And it's just the start so far.

...and it will end like tht, like llprevious expansion, they show up, don't even say "hy guys" and its done

But the list of expansions just shows High Elves in the Alliance have gotten a lot of story.

"lots of story" LUL

Yeah, weird, because in what world is this the truth

in the world Azeroth

Yeah, it is sad when people have followed this game for so long and don't know that the High Elves of the Alliance have played a major part.

They had no major part in nothing,just sidekick apparitions

It's the second most used race in the Alliance story after Humans.

yep, no about that too

[Doffen]

Yeah, because they didn't do anything besides stand around. Although to your credit Vereesa did get a bit of story in MoP

Wasn't only talking about the Silver Covenant, but High Elves as a whole. In TBC they are part of the Alliance Expedition, have their own town, with questhubs and also lives in Shattrath. In WotLK they started the Silver Covenant with Veressea Windrunner as leader, and was part of the Alliance Vanguard together with a presence as a race as their own in the Argent Tournament. Dalaran was the main city, so their presence was strong there as well.

In Cata there wasn't much, there was some co-op against the troll as far as I can remember. In MoP they were part of the story, big time. You had the whole incident with Jaina, then you had the whole 5.2 patch with Throne of Thunder were they were the main part of the story with Jaina and Kirin Tor. In Legion they were a part of the Suramar story, and then we have Alleria who brought us the Void Elves.

Sure, humans get lots of the story, but it's not before recently Night Elves got some story development, while the High Elves have been here the whole time within the story. Integrated within the human society, yes, but still more story development than the other Alliance-races, night elves included.

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"Rexxar more story than the whole High Elves in the existence" LUL

yep, no about that too

Okay, which race then?

in the world Azeroth

This is false, and you know it.

[Alanar]

Your bias is showing, calling Ogres more relevant in BfA than High Elves in all of WoW just shows how delusional you are, that you're willing to say anything just to dismiss people.

Sorry...High Elves have been leading the charge of things in multiple expansions while Ogres just sit around and scratch there heads in a few random Horde villages.

I guess in your little head canon fantasy world the Silver Covenant doesn't exist? Because if they were gone it would pretty much kill any High Elf argument...so you pretend they don't exist.

lol
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[Obelisk Kai]

You can just stop trying at this point, you have given up.

"Hey Rexxar got a little questline in Legion too, man he so much more relevant than High Elves ever was"

It's nice you like ogres, but High Elves have been a part of the story since TBC/WotLK, and a major part at that. And to to be honest, Rexxar is only a half-ogre LUL

Being background support does not equate to being a 'major part' of the story.

Do you know what being a major part of the story really means? It means having to evacuate your home just before the Horde burns it down.

It means having to evacuate your home before an Alliance assault, and having to destroy it to spite the invaders.

It means returning to alternate version of your homeworld, to see your people as they could have been had they not made the greatest mistake they ever had, only to find they would have become as bad in other ways and some would gladly make the same original mistake again.

It means leading a revolution against the leader of your faction because he had gone nuts.

It means at the very least, being actually playable and it certainly means more than being background flavour. Lest we forget, the 'major' role too many pro High Elfers harp on about can be summed up as being the Alliance 'in' to Zul'Aman where they appeared for all of one scene, the purge of Dalaran and the Isle of Thunder (two sides of the same event), they weren't in WOD and Veressa was the only notable High Elf I saw in Legion. And even then only at the end in 7.3. And the only reason she was there was that her vastly more important sister Alleria came back. And yes, the Silver Covenant played a role in the Hunter order hall campaign. A very small role not seen by the majority of the playerbase and which really comprised of interacting occasionally with Veressa...who didn't even end up as an Order Hall Champion (Halduron Brightwing did though).

So please stopped peddling this nonsense of the High Elves being a major part of the story. There has in reality only been one High Elf of note and that is Veressa. And she is always playing second fiddle to someone else when she appears.

The Alliance High Elves are just like Horde Ogres. Rare and only there as a story element.

[Doffen]

Being background support does not equate to being a 'major part' of the story.

Do you know what being a major part of the story really means? It means having to evacuate your home just before the Horde burns it down.

It means having to evacuate your home before an Alliance assault, and having to destroy it to spite the invaders.

I guess they know that, because there lived High Elves in Teramore.. But that's just details right.

It means returning to alternate version of your homeworld, to see your people as they could have been had they not made the greatest mistake they ever had, only to find they would have become as bad in other ways and some would gladly make the same original mistake again.

Alleria?

And that doesn't matter at all. A story doesn't have to be the things you listed.

It means at the very least, being actually playable and it certainly means more than being background flavour.
Lest we forget, the 'major' role too many pro High Elfers harp on about can be summed up as being the Alliance 'in' to Zul'Aman where they appeared for all of one scene, the purge of Dalaran and the Isle of Thunder (two sides of the same event), they weren't in WOD and Veressa was the only notable High Elf I saw in Legion. And even then only at the end in 7.3. And the only reason she was there was that her vastly more important sister Alleria came back. And yes, the Silver Covenant played a role in the Hunter order hall campaign. A very small role not seen by the majority of the playerbase and which really comprised of interacting occasionally with Veressa...who didn't even end up as an Order Hall Champion (Halduron Brightwing did though).

So please stopped peddling this nonsense of the High Elves being a major part of the story. There has in reality only been one High Elf of note and that is Veressa. And she is always playing second fiddle to someone else when she appears.

Stop peddling this nonsense, they have been part of the Alliance story for several years now. Yeah everyone gotta have a leader, and Vereesa is the High Elf one. So weird that the leaders gets the most of the attention. What you just said about they having to be playable to be part of the story, what a load of bullshit. I guess the Man'ari was not a part of the story in Legion, the Iron Orcs in WoD was not part of the story and so on, because they are not playable


The Alliance High Elves have always been integrated in the story, whether you like it or not. As I have said before, blame blizzard for the hope that they give the pro High Elves every damn expansion, they are using them so much that it's start to become weird that they aren't playable yet. Make them all go Void Elves for example, so people would stop getting their hopes up.

[Shaqthefat]

Wasn't only talking about the Silver Covenant, but High Elves as a whole. In TBC they are part of the Alliance Expedition, have their own town, with questhubs and also lives in Shattrath. In WotLK they started the Silver Covenant with Veressea Windrunner as leader, and was part of the Alliance Vanguard together with a presence as a race as their own in the Argent Tournament. Dalaran was the main city, so their presence was strong there as well.

In Cata there wasn't much, there was some co-op against the troll as far as I can remember. In MoP they were part of the story, big time. You had the whole incident with Jaina, then you had the whole 5.2 patch with Throne of Thunder were they were the main part of the story with Jaina and Kirin Tor. In Legion they were a part of the Suramar story, and then we have Alleria who brought us the Void Elves.

Sure, humans get lots of the story, but it's not before recently Night Elves got some story development, while the High Elves have been here the whole time within the story. Integrated within the human society, yes, but still more story development than the other Alliance-races, night elves included.

Being around is not having a story. As a race they have not received any story. MoP was the only time High elves were really around in the story and ONLY because Rhonin died. If Rhonin didn't die, Vereesa wouldn't be around and without Vereesa there wouldn't be high elves in MoP

[Cien]

Being around is not having a story. As a race they have not received any story. MoP was the only time High elves were really around in the story and ONLY because Rhonin died. If Rhonin didn't die, Vereesa wouldn't be around and without Vereesa there wouldn't be high elves in MoP

so can i say then that sylvanas is around, she doesnt have a story? oops ignorance is deliberate isnt it

[Obelisk Kai]

I find it cute how you resort to flee to the "HI ELVS ARE BLOOD ELVS" argument because you have nothing to say.

It is beyond sad that when the pro High Elf community hears a fact they don't like, after the initial shock they then spend so much time attacking it that within a few weeks they've convinced themselves that said fact is no longer relevant and display contempt for anyone deploying it.

I resort to that argument because it is not an argument. It is a statement of fact. It is not my problem you cannot assimilate what you were told twice in the past year, that Blood Elves are the High Elves of WoW.

Also yes the blood elves played a major role...in THE EXPANSION they were added in, Woooo!

And MOP and Legion as well. Maybe even BFA, but that has yet to be seen.

Regarding isle of thunder, the high elves played an equal role to the blood elves. The liberation of suramar had 3 armies (more denial on your part), high elves, blood elves and night elves.

No, they didn't. Had the High Elves played an equal role to the Blood Elves, then nearly every NPC within the Alliance camp would be a High Elf. Instead we find Silver Covenant NPCs mixed up with a lot of Human Kirin Tor NPCs. If they were equivalent, the camp leader would have been Veressa. It was Jaina. What we find is that the Silver Covenant is playing the role prescribed for them, of a militia loyal to the Kirin Tor providing security.

The liberation of Suramar had two armies, Horde and Alliance. The Horde army was entirely Blood Elven. The Alliance army was Night Elven with a few High Elves. And don't take my word for it. You can still fly to the north of the Horde capital of Suramar and see the two armies primed for assault. One side fully Blood Elven, one side almost all Night Elven...and two or three High Elves with Veressa. In fact, if we watch that video the pro High Elf community loves so much because Elisande deigns to notice the High Elves actually exist, you see that among all the Blood Elf and Night Elf NPCs that stretch across the bridge there are only four High Elves accompanying Veressa. That's it. Sole contribution. That's the mighty High Elf army equivalent to the Blood Elf and Night Elf forces.

By contrast the high elves have played just as many if not more bits and parts than blood elves. And why does this matter considering they've obviously received more "bits and parts" than pretty much any other alliance race excluding humans since wotlk. They even had a role in Landfall which was before the thunder king.

This is pretty much a lie. I have done all the Alliance content over the years and I have seen Gnomes, Dwarves, Draenei and Worgen more frequently while questing than I have High Elves. When I have encountered High Elves, it sticks out precisely because they are so rare and so unusual. You seem to define bits and parts as the big moments. I certainly don't. There are hundreds of smaller narratives within Warcraft, the quest chains within zones all telling individual stories. These stories together build the warp and weft of the faction narrative, the foundation of who the Alliance is. And High Elves are a not a big part, or even a moderate part, of that underpinning story.

Wow, you just named 4 instances of high elves being in the books.

And half of those were, as I said, Second War novels when they were all High Elves. In a novel set during roman times, you'd expect to meet a lot more Romans than you would in the modern era.

You also forgot to mention Stormrage, Warcrimes, day of the dragon, night of the dragon, and the new comic "three sisters". (regardless of whether any of these were terrible)

Haven't read Stormrage in a few years, checked the wowpedia page for a refresher. They have the characters conveniently listed as major, supporting and minor...the only High Elf they list is Veressa.

In Warcrimes there is only High Elf, that is Veressa.

Day of the Dragon involves Rhonin meeting the High Elf in the story...Veressa.

Night of the Dragon is a sequel to Day of the Dragon which involves the High Elf named Veressa.

And Three Sisters has an Undead Elf, a Void Elf and one High Elf...Veressa.

Turns out if Veressa dies you've basically wiped out all High Elf representation in the books. Perhaps what you want isn't a High Elf Allied race but a Veressa allied race? Everyone gets to be Veressa. Play as the youngest Windrunner sister. Locked to Hunter class. Racial is summoning two hobbits to gnaw on the enemy's feet.

High elves are EASILY one of the most spoken about races in the alliance, I'm not sure why you blatantly choose to ignore this fact.

Because it's not a fact. It's an unfortunate by-product of the echo chamber we are in where the pros and antis have been saying High ELF for the past half decade. In game they are as rare as Blizzard has said they are.

Instead of spiting alliance people who request easily the most valid race in the game, you should just make a request thread asking Blizzard to either kill them off or just turn them into void elves, then your bullshit logic may actually have some substance.

Why should the Alliance High Elves be killed because you are salty you can't play them? They are a remnant of a remnant and reflect how the story has progressed. They show that at one time, the High Elves of Azeroth were once a part of the Alliance. They add depth and texture to a story people are often at pains to point out as lacking depth simply because faction allegiance is more often than not predicated on race.

I don't mind them existing so long as they remain as they are, background support to the real races of the Alliance. However were they all to be killed or turned into Void Elves (perhaps as the result of a potential upcoming warfront) I wouldn't exactly be overly sad either.

[Doffen]

Being around is not having a story. As a race they have not received any story. MoP was the only time High elves were really around in the story and ONLY because Rhonin died. If Rhonin didn't die, Vereesa wouldn't be around and without Vereesa there wouldn't be high elves in MoP

They were just as big part of the story as Night Elves and Blood Elves in Suramar, they were a major part of the Alliance forces against the Scourge. It's not for nothing that Rhonin and Vereesa is standing in the Violet Citadel. In MoP they were a big part of the story, so much that any other alliance race haven't been close to getting that attention, until now with the Night Elves. Which I am very glad for btw, shifting the story a bit. Sure, Cataclysm and WoD they weren't there much, but I didn't say they were in my initial response to the other poster.

I am not talking about having the main story in an expansion, our races barely get any main story, but when it has, the High Elves of the Alliance have been there.

[TriHard]

Void elves were added to replace the High elves, there, that was the solution. I don't see them ever happening at this point because of the velf addition to the alliance.

[Shaqthefat]

They were just as big part of the story as Night Elves and Blood Elves in Suramar, they were a major part of the Alliance forces against the Scourge. It's not for nothing that Rhonin and Vereesa is standing in the Violet Citadel. In MoP they were a big part of the story, so much that any other alliance race haven't been close to getting that attention, until now with the Night Elves. Which I am very glad for btw, shifting the story a bit. Sure, Cataclysm and WoD they weren't there much, but I didn't say they were in my initial response to the other poster.

I am not talking about having the main story in an expansion, our races barely get any main story, but when it has, the High Elves of the Alliance have been there.

No, they were supporting troops at suramar for the night elves. They were supporting troops for the alliance while fighting the scourge. The only time they take a major role is hinged on the presence of one character. No other races is that insignificant to where it only preforms a supporting role or is reliant on one character.

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so can i say then that sylvanas is around, she doesnt have a story? oops ignorance is deliberate isnt it

No, because Sylvanas actually does something besides stand around guarding things. When Sylvanas walks around debriefing the player about them going to Stormwind she does more then every high elf, except Vereesa and the high elf that died in the MM artifact weapon unlock.

Also adding on to this, majority of high elves stand around as guards and or soldiers. So when Sylvanas stands around as warchief not doing anything, no thats not story.