Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[Shefu]

Holy crap over a 100 pages wanting high elf’s for the alliance. So should the horde bitch and complain saying we want night elf part of the trolls again, since they came from trolls. High elf’s blood elf’s they are all the same the only difference was artha murder the shit out of them and make out of respect called his group blood elf’s.

I think you missunderstood what I meant. I am not part of the "I want High Efls" movement at all. I'm also not against me, I just think people are blowing it out of proportion with their demands while twisting facts and lore. Cheers!

[Kaleion]

Sorry wasn’t attacking u, meant to post my reply to the mega post about blood elf’s and high elf’s

[Deleted]

lol a mod with a "Blood Elf" avatar and Sylvanas in her sig closed down the half elf thread comparing it with High Elves... Figures. Welcome to MMO-C champs.

Half Elves are yet another 'compromise' anyway.

[Evilfish]

lol a mod with a "Blood Elf" avatar and Sylvanas in her sig closed down the half elf thread comparing it with High Elves... Figures. Welcome to MMO-C champs.

Well you fellas are REALLY annoying so it's understandable.

[Deleted]

Well you fellas are REALLY annoying so it's understandable.

I mean, it's ironic that it's you who say it, lol.

[Evilfish]

I mean, it's ironic that it's you who say it, lol.

Whatever. Act like we are the ones with a problem all you want. The fact is it's you fellas that are spamming these forums with your messed up fantasy, trying to get people riled up, attempting to instill insecurity among common players by creating a fictional conflict between the developers and the player's respective faction just to get back at the devs cause they won't give into your extremely unreasonable demands. Starting thread after thread about this subject and derailing existing threads. Yeah, I guess mods got tired of your tactics. In my opinion you are among the worst people on these forums.

[Deleted]

Whatever. Act like we are the ones with a problem all you want. The fact is it's you fellas that are spamming these forums with your messed up fantasy, trying to get people riled up, attempting to instill insecurity among common players by creating a fictional conflict between the developers and the player's respective faction just to get back at the devs cause they won't give into your extremely unreasonable demands. Starting thread after thread about this subject and derailing existing threads. Yeah, I guess mods got tired of your tactics. In my opinion you are among the worst people on these forums.

Who are "we"? I was talking about you specifically as one of the most annoying, assholish and rude people in the thread. I genuinely believe that you are not a nice person, to put it mildly.

And the mods only try to contain the High Elf topic to one megathread in order to avoid multiple threads appearing on the front page about the same thing, like how it happened before.

[FlubberPuddy]

Remember that time blizzard chose to not do blood high elves and made up some stupid smurf elfs no one was interested in called void elves, and in a very PR way the game director who is very famously a meme for getting the lore wrong said that the high elves were just blood elves. Its like a giant satire on Trump supporters the way it brought out a huge group of people who don't seem to be able to read or comprehend, and still to this day will argue the same disproven points in a circle to try and make fake reasons to justify no high elves ever?

Crazy

Yeah there really is no rhyme or logic to the "no high elves forever" reasonings. Some even destroy their own arguments. It's really pointless after being exposed to it for the last few pages. I'd rather just focus on brainstorming any new ideas that could potentially lead to their (High Elves) addition.

Arguing with the "no crowd" leads nowhere. There's no compromising to be had between the two parties.

[Evilfish]

Who are "we"? I was talking about you specifically as one of the most annoying, assholish and rude people in the thread. I genuinely believe that you are not a nice person, to put it mildly.

And the mods only try to contain the High Elf topic to one megathread in order to avoid multiple threads appearing on the front page about the same thing, like how it happened before.

Evidently I am. I am speaking against your helf fetish, which means I must be the worse person on earth as far as you are concerned. But that's fine with me. Having some helf enthusiast slandering me is pretty much a given when you disagree with these people and it seems quite a few people tend to disagree with you. That's who "we" are. So feel free to insult me, work yourselves into another frenzy conveniently forgetting the words of Ion telling you to roll a fucking belf and shut up.

[Deleted]

Evidently I am. I am speaking against your helf fetish, which means I must be the worse person on earth as far as you are concerned. But that's fine with me. Having some helf enthusiast slandering me is pretty much a given when you disagree with these people and it seems quite a few people tend to disagree with you. That's who "we" are. So feel free to insult me, work yourselves into another frenzy conveniently forgetting the words of Ion telling you to roll a fucking belf and shut up.

Oh, come on, you are not the worst person on Earth, don't be so hard on yourself . There are much worse people out there, I am sure. And I am not claiming that just because you disagree with me, in fact, I would not call majority of anti-High Elvers bad people, only very very few. And only because they've shown to be such by behaving like, you know, you behave.

[tikcol]

The title of this thread is wrong. It should read ''Official Blood Elf Discussion Megathread''.

[Mehrunes]

How on earth is this still a thing? Like Ion said, roll a Blood Elf.

Whatever. Act like we are the ones with a problem all you want. The fact is it's you fellas that are spamming these forums with your messed up fantasy, trying to get people riled up, attempting to instill insecurity among common players by creating a fictional conflict between the developers and the player's respective faction just to get back at the devs cause they won't give into your extremely unreasonable demands. Starting thread after thread about this subject and derailing existing threads. Yeah, I guess mods got tired of your tactics. In my opinion you are among the worst people on these forums.

You forgot to mention that the spamming isn't even new but something that has been going on for more than a decade. And will continue for eternity.

[Andromedes]

How on earth is this still a thing? Like Ion said, roll a Blood Elf.




You forgot to mention that the spamming isn't even new but something that has been going on for more than a decade. And will continue for eternity.

Because we are supposed to be satisfied with everything Ion says. I wonder why there are now unique zandalari druid forms and heritage armors for old races, even though Ion said NO.

[Gurluas]

I'm still 100% pro High elves or pro an Alliance Thalassian elf that isn't a friggin Void monster.

Snow/crystal elf or Forest Elf (Nature infused elf) would be good too.

[Goldielocks]

Yeah the only thing that should matter is demand. Like if the issue was so passionate people have been arguing over it for an entire year.

1) There's no direct proof that there's actually enough demand to matter. Yeah, there are tons of HE questions on the Q&As but that's not exactly representative of the entire playerbase. Neither is this thread or any thread on forums. It's not big enough.

2) Demand itself actually mattering is an opinion and its an opinion the devs have to share. This is different to lore mattering because to a game, demand matters more than story. The story is supposed to serve the game, not the other way around.

I wonder why there are now unique zandalari druid forms and heritage armors for old races, even though Ion said NO.

Source?

[Deleted]

How on earth is this still a thing? Like Ion said, roll a Blood Elf.

You forgot to mention that the spamming isn't even new but something that has been going on for more than a decade. And will continue for eternity.

Wait, did you just get surprised that this is still going on and told someone that this is a usual thing that never stops in one post?

[FlubberPuddy]

1) There's no direct proof that there's actually enough demand to matter. Yeah, there are tons of HE questions on the Q&As but that's not exactly representative of the entire playerbase. Neither is this thread or any thread on forums. It's not big enough.

2) Demand itself actually mattering is an opinion and its an opinion the devs have to share. This is different to lore mattering because to a game, demand matters more than story. The story is supposed to serve the game, not the other way around.

Source?

Your 1st point can then be said for pretty much every potential Allied Race people are talking about. Don't be dense, there certainly has been popular race suggestions and unpopular race suggestions. Blizzard understands this too. It's why there are so many Elves in the game in the first place. The data is there, while only a % of the playerbase may use forums and such, you can still extrapolate some patterns from a subset of a community if the involved persons are varied and numbered enough.

Regardless, your point is correct in that we cannot truly know just how popular or unpopular any given want/addition is before it's added to the game. The only thing that can be seen is externally once that addition has occurred. Just like the whole Azerite armor debacle.

As for your 2nd point, not really. There are some conceits to the game that are added even when developers don't really approve of it. And not every developer shares the same opinion. This was seen with the Flying debate, where it was added back in but for pathfinder when it was initially outright removed.

Same for some employee opinions on High Elves, some are okay with them, some are not. Of course they eventually have to make a decision as a company, but that doesn't mean opinion that isn't shared by the Blizzard decision doesn't matter. It's how game changes occur as they do. Players just have to put up with the decisions because yes it's ultimately their game. Or if Blizzard gets the data back that truly shows something is worth implementing then they'll do it.

As for your source on Zandalari Druid Forms, it was last November Q&A 2017: https://www.wowhead.com/news=276367/...on-hazzikostas

Starts at 31:10-32:04

Ion: "Just the travel forms. So I think it's your combat forms, they're very specifically a cat, a bear. There's a ton of things that reference and hook into that. Both visuals and animations and the name and theme-ing of a lot of your abilities..feline such and such and Tiger Roar etc. That's just the kit of a druid so, suddenly turning that into a raptor or some other dinosaur variant I think would be at odds with the rest of Druid identity. The travel form thing just felt like a really cool hook for... alright there's a very close connection between the Zandalari Trolls and Dinosaurs as we're going to see as we explore that subcontinent. So, we're excited to be able to do that."

Notice as Ion went onto a long drawn-out bullshit answer about this as well

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Also I think with Void Elves reaching more population at 120 than some mainstay Alliance races. It's safe enough to say that particular Elf model shared by Blood Elves and Void Elves is extremely popular.

Which means people can hee-haw all they want about "omg High Elves would SO BORING" yet the rise of Void Elf characters made at end-game points to showing that model is really popular. Regardless of whether it's blue or not. Therefore while not directly showing High Elf demand, it correlates to that particular model being popular, which High Elves share - thus showing the potential of popularity for High Elves on Alliance.

[Andromedes]

Thanks for that source. I was wrong about heritage armors. He didnt say NO, but he said it is something they want to do. But this phrase is used for a lot of things that wont probably happen, or happen in far future. It is weird that this is more important than worgen and goblin models, which they are supposedly being worked on.. Just another lie, or only person is working on them, that is why it takes too long.

[Mehrunes]

Wait, did you just get surprised that this is still going on and told someone that this is a usual thing that never stops in one post?

One can spot the trend of never-ending "I am entitled to High Elves on the Alliance because the universe revolves around me" spam and still hope that in light of Blizzard's rather one-sided statements on the issue High Elf fanatics would finally get a hint.

[Pheraz]

I am pretty sure they will add a washed out blonde tone to void elves to please the high elf crowd in the future.