Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[Obelisk Kai]

As has been explained many times, the problem with the Void elves is how limited the race's origin in, coupled with the fact you're forced to use the VOID!
As I suggested before, Crystalline Elves wouldn't be a problem to me.


Here's a Crystal Satyr, compare it to a normal Satyr, now imagine that done with High elves.
And the customization they could have, crystalline hair, multiple crystal colors, etc.
All you had to do is make it so that a Mana bomb or something turns the High elves into Crystal Elves.

The Void Elves origins within the void is likely deliberate, a convenient tool for mutating a group of Blood Elves sufficiently to justify their inclusion on the Alliance, a power source that is the exact opposite of the light that sustains the majority of the race and a way of getting a void based race into the game for future narrative purposes.

While Crystal Elves would not be a problem for you, that is a lonely opinion. The majority of the ideas regarding how to differentiate High Elves from Blood Elves proposed earlier in this thread revolved around tattoos and hairstyles. That is what is commonly assumed by the idea of differentiating them and as stated, that is nowhere near enough.

Whilst your crystal elf proposal probably could differentiate them enough it's fatally undermined by the fact it is never going to happen and that crystal elves exist only in your mind and nowhere in the game. If Blizzard was minded to transform the remaining Alliance High Elves into anything, they'd almost certainly just convert them into Void Elves rather than having us suspend our disbelief as yet another group of Elves gets magically transformed by yet another doohickey and that for some reason, this would satisfy the pro High Elf community.

[Gurluas]

The Void Elves origins within the void is likely deliberate, a convenient tool for mutating a group of Blood Elves sufficiently to justify their inclusion on the Alliance, a power source that is the exact opposite of the light that sustains the majority of the race and a way of getting a void based race into the game for future narrative purposes.

While Crystal Elves would not be a problem for you, that is a lonely opinion. The majority of the ideas regarding how to differentiate High Elves from Blood Elves proposed earlier in this thread revolved around tattoos and hairstyles. That is what is commonly assumed by the idea of differentiating them and as stated, that is nowhere near enough.

Whilst your crystal elf proposal probably could differentiate them enough it's fatally undermined by the fact it is never going to happen and that crystal elves exist only in your mind and nowhere in the game. If Blizzard was minded to transform the remaining Alliance High Elves into anything, they'd almost certainly just convert them into Void Elves rather than having us suspend our disbelief as yet another group of Elves gets magically transformed by yet another doohickey and that for some reason, this would satisfy the pro High Elf community.

Crystal elves may not exist in the game, but Crystalsong forest is full of crystalline creatures, and there's no reason why Elves couldn't be differentiated that way.
I originally supported different hairstyle/tattoos, but I realized it just wasn't enough. The thing with Crystal elves is that there's a big precedent, Void elves is not what any of us wanted. The attractive thing about High elves isn't that they're Alliance Blood elves, it's that they turn against the majority of their people to do what is right. To make a hard choice they have to overcome through sheer willpower. What better way than literally turning the High elves into crystalline arcane beings?

They'd still be beautiful, they'd be attractive to the elf-loving crowd, they would still be the same group of High elves we always wanted, and it makes a whole lot more sense than Void elves ever did.






There's a ton of potential for Crystal elves, use your imagination.

Here's another ingame example, a Crystal Dryad.

[FlubberPuddy]

The Void Elves origins within the void is likely deliberate, a convenient tool for mutating a group of Blood Elves sufficiently to justify their inclusion on the Alliance, a power source that is the exact opposite of the light that sustains the majority of the race and a way of getting a void based race into the game for future narrative purposes.

Yeah that's great and all, but it's still not what High Elf fans when there has been a consistent example in-game, added by Blizzard continuously even to this day in BFA, of what the High Elf fans have been asking for.

To say that Void Elves are the compromise and that the community that wanted High Elves should just put up with that is absolute nonsense. Not every addition added into the game by Blizzard is met with praise.

Players wanted Player Housing, Blizzard gave their version in the form of Garrisons. That was met with lack of excitement, people dislike it to this day.

Players wanted Diablo 4, Blizzard comes out with Diablo: Immortal. Again, not met with excitement at all, many players point out even a teaser for D4 would've been enough.

And whatever else Blizzard has added into WoW that players hate, I don't really keep up with all of it.

This implied narrative that High Elf fans need to be alright with the addition of Void Elves and the existing Blood Elves because that's all they're ever going to get is straight up silly.

The fact that a year ago (and late April this year) it was "Blood Elves are your High Elves" to now "Yes it can change, don't give hope" to actually being able to add a possible modicum of playable High Elf representation on Alliance shows that decisions wade and fluctuate throughout the course of a year (or less than a year).

Players should simply keep asking for what they want in a matter conducive to an actual brainstorming discussion and Blizzard will decide from how to handle it. The only thing players are responsible is showing Blizzard that there is still a desire for whatever it is they want.

If Blizzard was minded to transform the remaining Alliance High Elves into anything, they'd almost certainly just convert them into Void Elves rather than having us suspend our disbelief as yet another group of Elves gets magically transformed by yet another doohickey and that for some reason, this would satisfy the pro High Elf community.

You know what is actually funny about this point. Is that Alex didn't mention anything about High Elves converting into Void Elves as well. So that implication made up by players is still just speculation. Just pointing that out.

[Keihndeth]

Nor do I accept this notion that I am a toxic contributor to this debate.

Noticed you failed to address the point about being a Blood Elf fanboy. Which is fine, but you need to state you have some pretty strong bias and there might be merit to what pro-HEers stances and views are.

You are correct in that why it generates so much passion among dedicated Horde players is that what the pro High Elf side is asking for is a duplicate of a Horde race.
And I agree our concerns are routinely brushed aside, this is also true. The usual refrain back at us is 'you wouldn't have to play it, it doesn't affect you and it would make us happy' which on the face of it is a powerful argument.

Firstly our opposition is not based on a desire to make the lives of the pro High Elf community miserable. That isn't the point. It is based on two pillars. The integrity of the Horde and the integrity of the Blood Elf race.

Oh, I guess you kinda did admit to it here... Interesting. Funny thing is, I don't remember any person ever in the Horde who mains an Orc, Tauren, Troll or Undead defending retaining Blood Elves as keeping "...the integrity of the Horde..." Actually, I've seen most of those Horde players complaining they water-down the Horde with an Alliance looking and feeling race, so that's an interesting perspective.

Anyways, let's look at your friends list - the "Whose Who?" of anti-High Elf superpals.



We have Aeula, Combatbulter, Friendlyimmolation, Syegfryed and Mehrunes. I mean, anyone can look up the post history of any of you and not go far to see anti-High Elf toxicity. You don't have to look far. Whats funny is you like to fling toxicity, but don't like to receive it. When you roll in the mud, expect to get dirty

Let's have a look at what you and one of your superpals have to say in a thread you created entitled "How can Blizzard mitigate the potential Alliance backlash at Blizzcon? (Spoilers?)" (which is implying quite a bit from the title I might add... can sense some Alliance dislike there...)

Snarky responses are par the course. That is often all some people have to contribute. And they deserve snark back in turn. Speaking of which, the title is fine and if you believe it only appeals to people who fall for click-bait well, you clicked it.

^^ Snarky kinda correlates with toxic, dontcha think?

They should simply ignore the Alliance, they’ll whine about anything.

Awesome. No pro-Horde fanboy bias, Alliance hater here. Not toxic at all.

I will not treat him as a normal poster. He directly called me out this morning in his post, and as a result I felt it appropriate to let everyone know exactly why he should not be treated as a normal poster.

^^ Toxic

Then you state something contradictory...

I don't hold the entire pro High Elf community in the same contempt as I do twinbros, but I do believe it to be important that this individual be publicly exposed for what he has said so everyone knows exactly what they are dealing with.

That's odd, because you seem to lump all pro-High Elf people together when it suits you...

But it seems a lot of pro High Elfers tend to do this and then play the martyr when, yet again, High Elves for the Alliance are not coming.

Hmm... that's a bit toxic too... calling people martyrs and painting "a lot of pro High Elfers" with broad strokes of the brush...

I can see how you managed to get a post count of over twenty thousand if all your contributions are so pithy and empty of content.

^^ Toxic

Then let's come to the content of your signature. It's not only a misquote of what Ion said (he said it in an interview, not a Blue Post), but it's entirely misleading. You cherry-picked the snippet of what he said to confirm your beliefs while completely dismissing the context. Add to that your consistent, daily drumming on these forums for over a year where 1/2 to 2/3's of your posts are anti-High Elf... it's just not healthy man. You're in too deep and to be honest, nobody should care that much about anything in a video game. There is thin line between passion and obsession, and it's clear you've crossed the threshold.

Think I've made my point.

[Friendlyimmolation]

Holy fuck. And here I thought @Twinbros2 wasn't just the brightest of the bunch. No, you're a fucking disgrace.



And you ain't any better.

When you're so upset you have to play Horde to be a blood elf you wish someone dies of cancer, fucking amazing.


What a day, and now we see people confusing being beaten over the head with a fact as being toxic.

[Keihndeth]

Haha. Didn't take long for the cavalry to arrive.

[Deleted]

Don't get why people seriously debate with Obelisk when it's obvious that he is simply against High Elves no matter what and he just writes arguments against them regardless if he himself believes in these arguments. Needless to say that he also doesn't care what others write to him. So to get tilted by his posts to the point of wishing cancer to him? Some people... :/ That's not just disgusting, it's also stupid.

[Thundering]

troll paladins. if there is no high elfs for the alliance then we know the bias is real.

[Friendlyimmolation]

troll paladins. if there is no high elfs for the alliance then we know the bias is real.

Horde bias is Blizzard not giving you a Horde race. Amazing.

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Haha. Didn't take long for the cavalry to arrive.

Heaven forbid you just have an echo chamber where hilarious ideas can spread and you convince yourselves blizzard is wrong and you're right, and somehow end up defending the people who want someone to die because they point out how hilariously petty the screeching for high elves became

[The Silver Covenant]

Horde bias is Blizzard not giving you a Horde race. Amazing.

But Blood Elves (High Elves) are an Alliance race that was given to the Horde for out-of-lore faction population reasons. We're just asking to play an Alliance race after 14 years.

[Deleted]

But Blood Elves (High Elves) are an Alliance race that was given to the Horde for out-of-lore faction population reasons. We're just asking to play an Alliance race after 14 years.

No, they are not Alliance race.

[Redzonetode]

New interview says "there's a chance" they could add customization options to void elves to allow for a high elf fantasy

https://www.mmo-champion.com/content...layers-DLC-654

[DeicideUH]

No, they are not Alliance race.

[TriHard]

New interview says "there's a chance" they could add customization options to void elves to allow for a high elf fantasy

https://www.mmo-champion.com/content...layers-DLC-654

Should please everyone then, I think that'd be great for the people. They don't need their own models, just making High elf customization available to the void elf makes a lot of sense. Would like to see that happen

[DeicideUH]

Should please everyone then, I think that'd be great for the people. They don't need their own models, just making High elf customization available to the void elf makes a lot of sense. Would like to see that happen

High elf fans were asking for things like that as compromise when void elves were announced, only to be constantly rebuked. Blizzard would have avoided a lot of needless trouble if it just listened back then.

[Deleted]

Should please everyone then, I think that'd be great for the people. They don't need their own models, just making High elf customization available to the void elf makes a lot of sense. Would like to see that happen

Would be another fake High Elves, nothing different from people RPing humans as High Elves.

[Fion Silberpfeil]

Its just a fair skin and white/blond hair god dammit. They dont even have to change anything else....

[Deleted]

Void Elves should have never been a thing to begin with, they should have been High Elves. Hell, they could have just given them a faction of Priests who do what the Velves do anyway as their priest class lore.

[FlubberPuddy]

Don't get why people seriously debate with Obelisk when it's obvious that he is simply against High Elves no matter what and he just writes arguments against them regardless if he himself believes in these arguments. Needless to say that he also doesn't care what others write to him. So to get tilted by his posts to the point of wishing cancer to him? Some people... :/ That's not just disgusting, it's also stupid.

I'm not sure why some others are so caught up in debating with him, he has me on ignore so he can't see my posts. But I like to still reply to his to offer counter-arguments for any visitors to the thread.

He has a tendency to paint the entire request/discussion as if it's never going to happen ever and what do we find out below vvv that oh yeah there's a chance now of getting some customization to Void Elves for that "High Elf fantasy".

New interview says "there's a chance" they could add customization options to void elves to allow for a high elf fantasy

https://www.mmo-champion.com/content...layers-DLC-654

Cmon man this is the same video I linked and was talking about a few pages ago, does it really have to be posted on MMO-C front page in order for people to believe it's credible now?

Regardless, fuck yes it's on the front page!

Void Elves should have never been a thing to begin with, they should have been High Elves. Hell, they could have just given them a faction of Priests who do what the Velves do anyway as their priest class lore.

A-MEN my wise ol' beautifully celestial tiger friend!

[Twinbros2]

Noticed you failed to address the point about being a Blood Elf fanboy. Which is fine, but you need to state you have some pretty strong bias and there might be merit to what pro-HEers stances and views are.





Oh, I guess you kinda did admit to it here... Interesting. Funny thing is, I don't remember any person ever in the Horde who mains an Orc, Tauren, Troll or Undead defending retaining Blood Elves as keeping "...the integrity of the Horde..." Actually, I've seen most of those Horde players complaining they water-down the Horde with an Alliance looking and feeling race, so that's an interesting perspective.

Anyways, let's look at your friends list - the "Whose Who?" of anti-High Elf superpals.



We have Aeula, Combatbulter, Friendlyimmolation, Syegfryed and Mehrunes. I mean, anyone can look up the post history of any of you and not go far to see anti-High Elf toxicity. You don't have to look far. Whats funny is you like to fling toxicity, but don't like to receive it. When you roll in the mud, expect to get dirty

Let's have a look at what you and one of your superpals have to say in a thread you created entitled "How can Blizzard mitigate the potential Alliance backlash at Blizzcon? (Spoilers?)" (which is implying quite a bit from the title I might add... can sense some Alliance dislike there...)



^^ Snarky kinda correlates with toxic, dontcha think?



Awesome. No pro-Horde fanboy bias, Alliance hater here. Not toxic at all.



^^ Toxic

Then you state something contradictory...



That's odd, because you seem to lump all pro-High Elf people together when it suits you...



Hmm... that's a bit toxic too... calling people martyrs and painting "a lot of pro High Elfers" with broad strokes of the brush...



^^ Toxic

Then let's come to the content of your signature. It's not only a misquote of what Ion said (he said it in an interview, not a Blue Post), but it's entirely misleading. You cherry-picked the snippet of what he said to confirm your beliefs while completely dismissing the context. Add to that your consistent, daily drumming on these forums for over a year where 1/2 to 2/3's of your posts are anti-High Elf... it's just not healthy man. You're in too deep and to be honest, nobody should care that much about anything in a video game. There is thin line between passion and obsession, and it's clear you've crossed the threshold.

Think I've made my point.

But they are the victims, try and remember! Anyway I have no regrets over what I said on Twitter, nor will I apologize for any fake outrage it might have stirred with Obelisk Kai or his/her cult.

Back to the matter at hand though, I'm pleased Blizzard put an end to the idea that High Elves are a 100% certain no. And contrary to what many of the anti-high elf trolls are saying now, they did in fact on many posts try and argue that Blizzard said it would never happen. It's because of these High Elf mega threads on all platforms that Blizzard is slowly coming around to notice that High Elves are the most desired race and why they are now considering giving Void Elves High Elf customization options. Keep up the good work guys and don't let the anti-high elf haters keep you from continuing to voice your support.