Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[Kithelle]

And I agree with you, but tbh there's not much we can do without being called childish whiners by every other tom dick and harry.

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Sorry darling those are Blood elves, we don't want them the Alliance High elves are in Stormwind and numerous other Alliance locations and friendly/supportive to the Alliance, it's ok I know you're sorry simple creatures can't tell the difference in complex situations. Here's a high elf for you:

Like I said, the fact they can't even give Blood Elves blue eye options to at least calm down some of the people just shows how they're out to troll between that and the Void Elves literally no one ever asked for.

[Varx]

And I agree with you, but tbh there's not much we can do without being called childish whiners by every other tom dick and harry.

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Sorry darling those are Blood elves, we don't want them the Alliance High elves are in Stormwind and numerous other Alliance locations and friendly/supportive to the Alliance, it's ok I know you're sorry simple creatures can't tell the difference in complex situations. Here's a high elf for you:

You post that as if politcal/cultural differences are biological. Current high elves never got the memo after arthas fucked silvermoon and stood by the alliance for who the Fuck knows why.

They're just a minor remembrance of life before that event. Its like old people who still use antenna tv, are they a different race?

Stop fucking with story progression cuz you wanna be a special snowflake and not group with big ugly orcs.

[Evilfish]

Refer to my previous post, The Alliance doesnt want your rejected Blood Elves. Blood elves are so... common..

Really? I guess the being the most played Allied race is a sign of rejection to you?

[Varx]

Only snowflake here is you cupcake, if you want to go into semantics there is a slight Biological difference between them by the fact that High elves were not exposed to large amounts of fel like Blood elves where hence their Biological change in eye colour and slightly more tanned skin tones.

Haha way to grasp at the straws. You realise Blizzard could easily give belves blue eyes after the restoration of the sunwell. The well is now a font of both holy and arcane so it would make perfect sense and add customization to belfs.

I would love to see you react towards that.

And belves also have very pale skin options too so nice try.

[Varx]

Night Elves and Humans still outnumber them and tbh with the small numbers of the Alliance of late it wouldnt be hard for a few dozen players to have gotten a VElf to lvl 120 to pad those population numbers.

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Sorry sweetie you won't see me react, I won't give in to your bait as you're precious fel elves won't get Blue eyes thats why they got golden ones.

I ain't trying to bait you. Im giving you facts. If blizzard decided to give belves an eye color option with green, gold and blue it would make perfect sense. Hell even the same tatoos alleria has would make sense too. Both would easily fit the lore and not regress the story that's been developed since warcraft 3.

Love how you call them fel elves too as if you're trying to ignore the lore to make your self happy.

[Evilfish]

Night Elves and Humans still outnumber them and tbh with the small numbers of the Alliance of late it wouldnt be hard for a few dozen players to have gotten a VElf to lvl 120 to pad those population numbers.

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Sorry sweetie you won't see me react, I won't give in to your bait as you're precious fel elves won't get Blue eyes thats why they got golden ones.

All old races outnumber allied races right now and also right now the most popular allied race across both EU and US realms are Velfs. Again where's the rejection?

[Keihndeth]

Especially when they made a crack at Alliance players...but there are still plenty of Horde hand wavers who will deny these facts till the end.

They like to cherry-pick their facts, reinforcing what they want to be true.

[Maxilian]

Something funny and sad the NB make me think about is:

That lorewise, it would be plausible for the Horde to get Blue eyes Blood elves and Golden eyes / tattoos Nightborne if both sides share their source of magic.

Note: Would still require some time to pass before they get much of an effect on their looks, but not that much

[Varx]

I honestly feel so bad for you guys. Wasting so much energy trying to justify something that will never happen.

Then you got people like me happily enjoying reality with real fair skinned, soon to probably include blue eyes, high elves who now go by blood elves due to years of story development. Oh well sucks to be you guys.

[RangerDaz]

enough already. blood elves are high elves!

Silver Covenant high elves, Sylvanas, dark rangers, Sanlayn, undead elves, felblood elves, void elves , blood elves, dalaran elves, BE Demon hunters, all come from the original Quelthalas High Elves. So that logic doesnt work much, sorry.

[Varx]

Silver Covenant high elves, Sylvanas, dark rangers, Sanlayn, undead elves, felblood elves, void elves , blood elves, dalaran elves, BE Demon hunters, all come from the original Quelthalas High Elves. So that logic doesnt work much, sorry.

Except that's not true since all those have drastic differences and belves/helves only differ in names and eye color and will probably only differ in names soon.

[MechaCThun]

Silver Covenant high elves, Sylvanas, dark rangers, Sanlayn, undead elves, felblood elves, void elves , blood elves, dalaran elves, BE Demon hunters, all come from the original Quelthalas High Elves. So that logic doesnt work much, sorry.

His logic is fine. You chose not to understand what he's saying.

"blood elves are high elves"

He is saying that current, living blood elves are in fact high elves. What's so different other than their eye color? Their name.

It doesn't matter "where they all came from" because they are no longer that now. Sylvanas, dark rangers, San'layn, Undead elves, Felblood elves, and Void elves are no longer high elves. They are something completely different.

So actually I'm wondering what you meant by saying his logic is flawed.

[derpkitteh]

His logic is fine. You chose not to understand what he's saying.

"blood elves are high elves"

He is saying that current, living blood elves are in fact high elves. What's so different other than their eye color? Their name.

It doesn't matter "where they all came from" because they are no longer that now. Sylvanas, dark rangers, San'layn, Undead elves, Felblood elves, and Void elves are no longer high elves. They are something completely different.

So actually I'm wondering what you meant by saying his logic is flawed.

what hazzikostas said was that they look the same, so there they are.

it never addressed the issue at hand. people that want high elves want the ideology.

[Varx]

what hazzikostas said was that they look the same, so there they are.

it never addressed the issue at hand. people that want high elves want the ideology.

Thats bullshit I dont buy that for one second. They're just using that as a last ditch atempt to justify helves.

I guarantee you if a group of blood elves diffected from the horde and were playable the entire pro helf fanbase would instantly reroll and ANYTHING they say otherwise is a lie.

Look at how that interview asked of velves would get customization options to fit helves. Void Elves, who are exiled blood elves.

[Obelisk Kai]

*Sigh* Please refer to evidence below



Horde have Night Elves so stop trying to pass it off as bullshit because its true and stop being a selfish little child.

You have used this screenshot before. To save myself the bother, I have found my original response. (Advanced search, keyword Nightborne, took thirty seconds. Great little feature)

Nightborne used to be Night Elves. They are based on the same model and use a lot of the same assets, but this image twists the case.

Firstly, the person who created this has used the female model. The female Nightborne model's musculature has not been altered. The male Nightborne has been altered and has noticeably thinner arms and legs.

Secondly, the Nighborne skin tones are substantially different from Night Elves. Night Elven skin colours range from pink, to purple, to a dry blue to a light gray. Nightborne have three skin tones, two very vivid blues and the gray. The person who made this image chose the lightest skin tone, the gray, to find a better match with the Night Elves.

Finally, and most damning, the models are oriented to obscure the other ear. Nightborne ears are upswept, whereas Night Elf ears are backswept. The intent behind such a positioning is obvious, as the image is designed to mislead seeing the most prominent difference in the ear shape would spoil the symmetry.

Leaving aside how the image is designed to be somewhat misleading (if it's intent is to portray both groups as identical) Nightborne are as different from Night Elves as Void Elves are as different from Blood/High Elves. Differences of skin tone, some cosmetic alterations such as tattoos/tentacles and utterly different themes.

In other words, you cannot have this both ways. If Nightborne are the same as Night Elves, then given the equivalence between them and Void Elves it follows that Void Elves are in fact Blood Elves...and as we know Blood Elves are High Elves so there is nothing for you to complain about.

You cannot consistently argue that Nightborne are Night Elves and then argue Void Elves aren't Blood/High Elves. You have to pick one. Either both Nightborne and Void Elves are the same as their parent races (in which case you already have High Elves) or they are different, in which case you must admit Nightborne are not Night Elves.

The truth is Nightborne are not Night Elves, they are differentiated from Night Elves so that giving them to the Horde did not breach the faction barrier. Just as Void Elves were differentiated from Blood/High Elves for the same reasons.

[RangerDaz]

Except that's not true since all those have drastic differences and belves/helves only differ in names and eye color and will probably only differ in names soon.

His logic is fine. You chose not to understand what he's saying.

"blood elves are high elves"

He is saying that current, living blood elves are in fact high elves. What's so different other than their eye color? Their name.

It doesn't matter "where they all came from" because they are no longer that now. Sylvanas, dark rangers, San'layn, Undead elves, Felblood elves, and Void elves are no longer high elves. They are something completely different.

So actually I'm wondering what you meant by saying his logic is flawed.

It is flawed. Because blood elves have changed from the original high elves before the scourge invasion. I have explained this lots of times in this thread, but i can do it again.

Old high elves are the Quel'dorei, infused only with the arcane magic of the original sunwell. They existed like this until arthas and his scourge invaded quelthalas and destroywd everything on their path, killing 90% of the elven population, and raising many in undeath. The remaining, or escaoed and seeked refuge elsewhere (like vereesa and many others thatvwould later form the silver covenant) or stayed in Silvermoon and renamed themselves the blood elves under kaelthas leadership, and renamed themselves Sin'dorei, no longer Quel'dorei. The silvermoon elves gained the fel tainted eyes and later were exposed to the holy and arcane energies of the new sunwell after the burning crusade, while the silver covenant remained untouched from any other magical taint source, besides arcane. Golden eyes on blood elves says everything.

So the Silver covenant are more untouched that blood elves. Blood elves evolved, while the silver covenant remained arcane only infused. Also in terms of culture and affiliation, silver covenant and Silvermoon are very antagonic as well.

So, there you go.

That is why blood elves are high elves as much as void elves or dark rangers, for example. The silver covenant are probably the most pure high elves that exist today. Untouched.

[Strippling]

Giving my support to NO playable high elfs on the Alliance. Please Blizz, no need to blur the faction lines any further than VE or NB have. VE were a fair compromise, let's move on to different ARs that can actually bring some much needed flavor to the Alliance. As someone who plays a high elf on the Horde (ie Blood Elf) I'd like to maintain my faction pride and identity in the Horde. I don't want to see a carbon copy of me jumping around on the blue team. On top of that, lorewise the alliance high elfs are a fractured and dwindling society with no real culture of their own... the Quel'thalas and thalassian culture was progressed with the Blood Elfs, please don't dilute and detract from 10+ years of story progression for a group of fractured high elfs.


From Wowpedia:

In consequence, there are very few high elves left on Azeroth today. High elves did not gather in any significant numbers, nor did they act as a coordinated whole. They are a very small group of individuals scattered all over the world. As such, they do not have common opinions or goals. Indeed, modern high elves cannot even truly be said to have a culture—only a past filled with glory and regret

The Alliance high elfs are in the past. The future of thalassian society has progressed forward in the Horde. There is no rich lore remaining in the Alliance high elfs... the only thing they would bring if playable is allow a few fanbois to play out their legolas fantasy. High elven culture, society and future is in the Horde. As per Elisande's comments in Legion, the Alliance high elfs are diluting their blood line with humans... their culture and society is becoming that of humans too. So by adding high elfs, all that you would accomplish is 1) duplicating a Horde model AGAIN and 2) add an AR with pretty much the same culture as SW humans and Dalaran.... nothing new would come of this. So at the end of the day, it comes down to Alliance just wanting the Horde BE aesthetic, to which I say in unison with Blizz "the Horde is waiting for you". Just like "the Alliance is waiting for me" if I want to play a gnome

[Varx]

It is flawed. Because blood elves have changed from the original high elves before the scourge invasion. I have explained this lots of times in this thread, but i can do it again.

Old high elves are the Quel'dorei, infused only with the arcane magic of the original sunwell. They existed like this until arthas and his scourge invaded quelthalas and destroywd everything on their path, killing 90% of the elven population, and raising many in undeath. The remaining, or escaoed and seeked refuge elsewhere (like vereesa and many others thatvwould later form the silver covenant) or stayed in Silvermoon and renamed themselves the blood elves under kaelthas leadership, and renamed themselves Sin'dorei, no longer Quel'dorei. The silvermoon elves gained the fel tainted eyes and later were exposed to the holy and arcane energies of the new sunwell after the burning crusade, while the silver covenant remained untouched from any other magical taint source, besides arcane. Golden eyes on blood elves says everything.

So the Silver covenant are more untouched that blood elves. Blood elves evolved, while the silver covenant remained arcane only infused. Also in terms of culture and affiliation, silver covenant and Silvermoon are very antagonic as well.

So, there you go.

That is why blood elves are high elves as much as void elves or dark rangers, for example. The silver covenant are probably the most pure high elves that exist today. Untouched.

Except all that didnt cause the belves to evolve how your implying minus blue eye color which once again can be given to belves too and not break lore.

[LilSaihah]

It is flawed. Because blood elves have changed from the original high elves before the scourge invasion. I have explained this lots of times in this thread, but i can do it again.

That's not really true.

Kael'thas renamed the High Elves to Blood Elves before he found any new source of magic to feed his peoples' hunger. A High Elf could say "I am a blood elf" and it would be completely true. There's no actual physiological distinction to be made, and very little of a cultural one; it's basically just a political distinction.

High Elves in the current game or in the Silver Covenant are not pre-Third War High Elves. It's a pretty big point in the lore that the absence of the Sunwell changed the High Elves; maybe not to such a degree as the Blood Elves changed, but they absolutely did change.

That is why blood elves are high elves as much as void elves or dark rangers, for example. The silver covenant are probably the most pure high elves that exist today. Untouched.

They really aren't, though, Void Elves and Dark Rangers are elementally misaligned with the three other playable elf races, as well as High Elves.

[LowestFormOfWit]

So the Silver covenant are more untouched that blood elves. Blood elves evolved, while the silver covenant remained arcane only infused. Also in terms of culture and affiliation, silver covenant and Silvermoon are very antagonic as well.

So, there you go.

That is why blood elves are high elves as much as void elves or dark rangers, for example. The silver covenant are probably the most pure high elves that exist today. Untouched.

There's no evolution at play here, and Silver Covenant aren't in this bubble of time remaining "pure" (what's with this blond haired, blue-eyed, purity focus I see so many High Elf fans on, sounds so close to being politically inappropriate).
The Sunwell was destroyed for a very, very, VERY brief amount of time in lore, especially for such old aged races like that of Elves. Arthas desecrated it in WC3: TFT, Kael destroys it soon after an renames his people Blood Elves. At the moment of the Sunwell's destruction, Thalassian elves across Azeroth start going into arcane withdrawals. However, by the end of the Burning Crusade expansion, not even, what, 10 or less years from the Sunwell's destruction, it is reignited by Velen as a font of both arcane and holy magic.

At this point (as evidenced in the Quel'delar questline, which takes place during Wrath's timeline, post-TBC) High elves make pilgrimages to the new Sunwell and Lor'themar permits this. No Thalassian elves need to feed or tap other creatures for mana, and even High elves are restored after making pilgrimages.

In BFA, Lor'themar even permits Alleria to see the Sunwell despite Rommath's protest.

This idea that there's some insulated spec of "pure" High elves, or that Blood Elves somehow "evolved" in less than 10 years just by tapping demons needs to go away.