Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[Fetus Rex]

The problems with HE are many, for an example they can't use purple color theme because of VE. Blue would clash with humans. So it is either blue-silver or blue-silver and green.

Also what should they be, arcane specialists or nature ones? A mixture? And what would be their theme in general?

[FlubberPuddy]

The problems with HE are many, for an example they can't use purple color theme because of VE. Blue would clash with humans. So it is either blue-silver or blue-silver and green.

Also what should they be, arcane specialists or nature ones? A mixture? And what would be their theme in general?

I'd take them the path toward more naturalist than arcane specialists, of course let's be honest pretty much every elf is a magical type being in WoW universe so it's not like magic wouldn't have some presence.

I would have their theme be that old-school ranger elf allied among human and dwarves, they can be that "vanilla elf" which is literally what High Elves on Alliance are just as Humans are your regular run-of-the-mill humans found in every fantasy genre.

The Blood Elves don't follow that archetype, Blizzard has subverted them. What's interesting is I was prepping up some DnD5e and going through the player's handbook and found this information regarding High Elves:



"As a high elf, you have a keen mind and a mastery of at least the basics of magic. In many of the worlds of DnD, there are two kinds of high elves. One type is haughty and reclusive, believing themselves to be superior to non-elves and even other elves. The other type are more common and more friendly, and often encountered among humans and other races.

The sun elves of Faerun (also called gold elves or sunrise elves) have bronze skin and hair of copper, black, or golden blond. Their eyes are golden, silver, or black. Moon elves (also called silver elves or gray elves) are much paler, with alabaster skin sometimes tinged with blue. They often have hair of silver-white, black, or blue, but various shades of blond, brown, and red are not uncommon. Their eyes are blue or green and flecked with gold."

Anyways, yes yes it's a different universe but when I came across that it immediately jumped out to me that these two types of High Elves reminds me of Blood Elves and High Elves in WoW.

There's a lot of similarity in that passage with how Blizzard has treated Blood Elves on Horde and High Elves on Alliance pretty much the same way. This adds further reinforcement to why I believe Blood Elves will never get these themes/aesthetics we discuss here for High Elves. Because it would greatly conflict with the image Blizzard has set forth for Blood Elves.

It's just like how even though Night Elves had a history where arcane magic was a huge part of their society, the Night Elves of today don't carry on that legacy because Blizzard took them in a different direction. Blizzard then also took the opportunity of an underutilized thematic that wasn't really strong in modern Night Elf society and expressed it as its own thing with Nightborne.

Same thing here, sure back then when High Elves were in the Alliance there were those that worked with humans and were friendly with Rangers and Priests etc (even though there was always that society in Quel'thalas who didn't want to be there), but that's not the direction Blizzard continued when Blood Elves came to be.

The continuation of that are the High Elves that have stuck in the Alliance, who went against their larger society because they didn't agree with the path Blood Elves went down and still continue to express this "more friendlier" and "found among other races" tropes we see with High Elf lodges working in tandem with Draenei, and of course among Humans and Dwarves too.

Blood Elves, even today, yeah sure they're part of Horde but you still mostly see them keeping to their people as a group or now that Nightborne are officially Horde you see a lot of Blood Elves and Nightborne together still expressing that "Elf superiority" mindset from an observational level.

[Fetus Rex]

I'd take them the path toward more naturalist than arcane specialists, of course let's be honest pretty much every elf is a magical type being in WoW universe so it's not like magic wouldn't have some presence.

I would have their theme be that old-school ranger elf allied among human and dwarves, they can be that "vanilla elf" which is literally what High Elves on Alliance are just as Humans are your regular run-of-the-mill humans found in every fantasy genre.

The Blood Elves don't follow that archetype, Blizzard has subverted them. What's interesting is I was prepping up some DnD5e and going through the player's handbook and found this information regarding High Elves:



"As a high elf, you have a keen mind and a mastery of at least the basics of magic. In many of the worlds of DnD, there are two kinds of high elves. One type is haughty and reclusive, believing themselves to be superior to non-elves and even other elves. The other type are more common and more friendly, and often encountered among humans and other races.

The sun elves of Faerun (also called gold elves or sunrise elves) have bronze skin and hair of copper, black, or golden blond. Their eyes are golden, silver, or black. Moon elves (also called silver elves or gray elves) are much paler, with alabaster skin sometimes tinged with blue. They often have hair of silver-white, black, or blue, but various shades of blond, brown, and red are not uncommon. Their eyes are blue or green and flecked with gold."

Anyways, yes yes it's a different universe but when I came across that it immediately jumped out to me that these two types of High Elves reminds me of Blood Elves and High Elves in WoW.

There's a lot of similarity in that passage with how Blizzard has treated Blood Elves on Horde and High Elves on Alliance pretty much the same way. This adds further reinforcement to why I believe Blood Elves will never get these themes/aesthetics we discuss here for High Elves. Because it would greatly conflict with the image Blizzard has set forth for Blood Elves.

It's just like how even though Night Elves had a history where arcane magic was a huge part of their society, the Night Elves of today don't carry on that legacy because Blizzard took them in a different direction. Blizzard then also took the opportunity of an underutilized thematic that wasn't really strong in modern Night Elf society and expressed it as its own thing with Nightborne.

Same thing here, sure back then when High Elves were in the Alliance there were those that worked with humans and were friendly with Rangers and Priests etc (even though there was always that society in Quel'thalas who didn't want to be there), but that's not the direction Blizzard continued when Blood Elves came to be.

The continuation of that are the High Elves that have stuck in the Alliance, who went against their larger society because they didn't agree with the path Blood Elves went down and still continue to express this "more friendlier" and "found among other races" tropes we see with High Elf lodges working in tandem with Draenei, and of course among Humans and Dwarves too.

Blood Elves, even today, yeah sure they're part of Horde but you still mostly see them keeping to their people as a group or now that Nightborne are officially Horde you see a lot of Blood Elves and Nightborne together still expressing that "Elf superiority" mindset from an observational level.

Wouldn't that make them Night Elves 2.0? I think if they introduce HE then with some small twist such as titan magic or maybe as replacement for wildhammer dwarves.

[FlubberPuddy]

Wouldn't that make them Night Elves 2.0? I think if they introduce HE then with some small twist such as titan magic or maybe as replacement for wildhammer dwarves.

Night Elves come off as much more Amazonian rather than "typical elf ranger" imo, at least that's how I've always seen them. Even when they were in the Alliance they stayed mainly reclusive to most of their areas.

High Elves are much more widely seen among Humans and Dwarves, and have carried this trope into WoW and even where WoW is today.

Plus they wouldn't be "Night Elf 2.0" anymore than Kul'Tirans are humans 2.0 or Mag'har being Orcs 2.0 or Zandalari being Trolls 2.0 or LF Draenei being Draenei 2.0 , etc etc. You see where I'm going with this, I hope. As said earlier though, Night elves come off as much more amazonian and reclusive.

We know that Wildhammer Dwarves will be coming in at some point in the future and they are basically "aerial dwarves". Dark Iron and Bronzebeard are both mountain dwarves, Dark Iron are just deeper into the mountain than Bronzebeards. While we don't know what form the Wildhammer Dwarves are coming in, it will give an idea of how Blizzard wants to handle adding an unplayable race that right now are only aesthetically differentiated by tattoos.

[Garfurion]

Night Elves come off as much more Amazonian rather than "typical elf ranger" imo, at least that's how I've always seen them. Even when they were in the Alliance they stayed mainly reclusive to most of their areas.

High Elves are much more widely seen among Humans and Dwarves, and have carried this trope into WoW and even where WoW is today.

Plus they wouldn't be "Night Elf 2.0" anymore than Kul'Tirans are humans 2.0 or Mag'har being Orcs 2.0 or Zandalari being Trolls 2.0 or LF Draenei being Draenei 2.0 , etc etc. You see where I'm going with this, I hope. As said earlier though, Night elves come off as much more amazonian and reclusive.

We know that Wildhammer Dwarves will be coming in at some point in the future and they are basically "aerial dwarves". Dark Iron and Bronzebeard are both mountain dwarves, Dark Iron are just deeper into the mountain than Bronzebeards. While we don't know what form the Wildhammer Dwarves are coming in, it will give an idea of how Blizzard wants to handle adding an unplayable race that right now are only aesthetically differentiated by tattoos.

I think lorewise Wildhammer are somewhat taller than Bronzebeards and Dark Iron so they could get new models (or scaled down Kul'Tiran models).

Instead of making "High Elves" more Night Elvish which would probably exclude paladins and mages as class options perhaps it would better to ask for a kind of Lightforged Night Elves,which would allow for paladins, priests and mages, potentially explain human-like skin-tones as well as a new "unique" model. In a way it would be "replicating" part of the process the original Highborne exiles went through and thus creating a new kind of High Elves from scratch.

[Shefu]

They should just add them and be done with it. I don't think anyone will quit the game if High Elves allied race would exist. And if they do then good riddance!

I'm neither for or against, but clearly there's a lot of folks who wish to play them. More so than most allied races that were already added to the game. If they can have two different types of Tauren, Orcs, Dwarves, Trolls, Nelves....etc they can add more type of Quel'Thalas Elves along the Blood Elves for the alliance only. I kinda took VE's out of that category because to me they're just in their own different category since they come off as a complete aberration. In fact it makes the Alliance look even more hypocritical. So they hated one Windruner sister for being Banshee and taking looking out for the Lordaeronians that became Forsaken, but somehow are ok with the other sister totally becoming the Void's mistress. Like, I don't know how more Alliance players find this hypocritical but whatever....I digress...

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So you want WoW to be even more like LOTRO or D&D?

[Fetus Rex]

Night Elves come off as much more Amazonian rather than "typical elf ranger" imo, at least that's how I've always seen them. Even when they were in the Alliance they stayed mainly reclusive to most of their areas.

High Elves are much more widely seen among Humans and Dwarves, and have carried this trope into WoW and even where WoW is today.

Plus they wouldn't be "Night Elf 2.0" anymore than Kul'Tirans are humans 2.0 or Mag'har being Orcs 2.0 or Zandalari being Trolls 2.0 or LF Draenei being Draenei 2.0 , etc etc. You see where I'm going with this, I hope. As said earlier though, Night elves come off as much more amazonian and reclusive.

We know that Wildhammer Dwarves will be coming in at some point in the future and they are basically "aerial dwarves". Dark Iron and Bronzebeard are both mountain dwarves, Dark Iron are just deeper into the mountain than Bronzebeards. While we don't know what form the Wildhammer Dwarves are coming in, it will give an idea of how Blizzard wants to handle adding an unplayable race that right now are only aesthetically differentiated by tattoos.

But what does make them stand apart? Being more around humans and dwarves is a thing of necessity. They are Alliance aligned. And typical High Elf fantasy troops is a loof and proud just like Nightborne. All those new races are 2.0, especially Mag'har who do not differ culturally much from green orcs. They are just brown.

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But what does make them stand apart? Being more around humans and dwarves is a thing of necessity. They are Alliance aligned. And typical High Elf fantasy troops is a loof and proud just like Nightborne. All those new races are 2.0, especially Mag'har who do not differ culturally much from green orcs. They are just brown.

High Elves in WoW translate from the Warhammer heritage which influenced the first Warcraft game. But differently to Warhammer, where you have High Elves, Wood Elves and Chaos Elves, we got a different setup in WoW. And High Elves are not in the focus anymore. Thalassian heritage went on to the Blood Elves. High Elves are merely exiles, just like Void Elves are. So, by adding High Elves as an additional AR to the Alliance, they would not only prey on the Blood Elves on Horde side, but also on the Void Elves on Alliance side. You get nothing unique by adding High Elves, except a step back into the realms of nostalgia.

I know such cases. I know people who don't play the World of Darkness Revised (3.0) games, because they prefer to be stuck in the storytelling situation of the 2.0 situation, where the end of the world was not as imminent, some factions behaved differently, and some signature characters' situation was different as well. I know people who also did not want to make the transition to the new World of Darkness. In pen & paper RPGs you have the luxury to stop at a specific point and to develop your own stories, because you and your RPG group are a separate entity.

But in WoW, beside the Classic fans, you only have one community and one storyline, and this is dictated by Blizzard. And whatever headcanon you have in mind for your roleplaying background, we have hard facts in the world. Blood Elves are the ones who are the Thalassian society. High Elves would not be a problem if High Elf fans would accept that fact and support the lore-given situation of them being the outcasts and the Blood Elves being the main body of their people.

But as fas as I have read threads like these, many High Elf players suffer from some kind of delusion of them being the "true and chosen" ones despite numbers and lore saying otherwise, probably forcing Blizzard to rewrite the story or even retcon it at some point. And this is a can of worms which I would not want to open.

Edit: Don't get me wrong. I would not mind if they decide to write Blood Elves as "evil elves" again, to bring them in line with the concept of Chaos Elves in Warhammer. I can even imagine to embrace that concept willingly. But at the current point of the storyline, the Blood Elves are not only the true successors of the High Elves in terms of lore and numbers, they even get purified from fel influence which is seen by Blood Elves aquiring golden eyes. This is a huge thing which I want to explore further, and the presence of High Elves would diminish such a story development, draw attention away from Light vs. Void in Thalassian Elves.

But maybe this is the underlying, hidden problem of the whole situation. I expect Void Elves to become something like Chaos Elves in Warhammer. And this would of course clash with the concept of High Elves being idealised into angelic beings who can do no wrong. Which is BTW the reason why I find High Elves despicable. In the LOTR setting, elves do make mistakes and harbor hatred and grudges just as well. There is even a civil war of elven tribes described in the Silmarillion. While the Hobbit movie trilogy was quite mediocre compared to the lore material and the LOTR movies, at least they got an interesting character in Thranduil, who could have been a great Blood Elf character just as well. High Elves in WoW lack this kind of depth.

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

But what does make them stand apart? Being more around humans and dwarves is a thing of necessity. They are Alliance aligned. And typical High Elf fantasy troops is a loof and proud just like Nightborne. All those new races are 2.0, especially Mag'har who do not differ culturally much from green orcs. They are just brown.

I mean you can make the case that High Elves in WoW are already a subversion given their place in the lore. There's nothing "High" about them anymore, they are expatriates living in human cities, all to willing to mingle with lesser races, assimilated into their culture while still trying to preserve something of their own even if it just ends up being carrying a name that doesn't really fit.

They really don't have the position to be aloof anymore tbh and I think there's such a lot possible to explore with them as a group of people on the brink of extinction but refusing to do so, and how they can have a legacy, a continuation, given their current context.

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High Elves in WoW translate from the Warhammer heritage which influenced the first Warcraft game. But differently to Warhammer, where you have High Elves, Wood Elves and Chaos Elves, we got a different setup in WoW. And High Elves are not in the focus anymore. Thalassian heritage went on to the Blood Elves. High Elves are merely exiles, just like Void Elves are. So, by adding High Elves as an additional AR to the Alliance, they would not only prey on the Blood Elves on Horde side, but also on the Void Elves on Alliance side. You get nothing unique by adding High Elves, except a step back into the realms of nostalgia.

I know such cases. I know people who don't play the World of Darkness Revised (3.0) games, because they prefer to be stuck in the storytelling situation of the 2.0 situation, where the end of the world was not as imminent, some factions behaved differently, and some signature characters' situation was different as well. I know people who also did not want to make the transition to the new World of Darkness. In pen & paper RPGs you have the luxury to stop at a specific point and to develop your own stories, because you and your RPG group are a separate entity.

But in WoW, beside the Classic fans, you only have one community and one storyline, and this is dictated by Blizzard. And whatever headcanon you have in mind for your roleplaying background, we have hard facts in the world. Blood Elves are the ones who are the Thalassian society. High Elves would not be a problem if High Elf fans would accept that fact and support the lore-given situation of them being the outcasts and the Blood Elves being the main body of their people.

But as fas as I have read threads like these, many High Elf players suffer from some kind of delusion of them being the "true and chosen" ones despite numbers and lore saying otherwise, probably forcing Blizzard to rewrite the story or even retcon it at some point. And this is a can of worms which I would not want to open.

Edit: Don't get me wrong. I would not mind if they decide to write Blood Elves as "evil elves" again, to bring them in line with the concept of Chaos Elves in Warhammer. I can even imagine to embrace that concept willingly. But at the current point of the storyline, the Blood Elves are not only the true successors of the High Elves in terms of lore and numbers, they even get purified from fel influence which is seen by Blood Elves aquiring golden eyes. This is a huge thing which I want to explore further, and the presence of High Elves would diminish such a story development, draw attention away from Light vs. Void in Thalassian Elves.

But maybe this is the underlying, hidden problem of the whole situation. I expect Void Elves to become something like Chaos Elves in Warhammer. And this would of course clash with the concept of High Elves being idealised into angelic beings who can do no wrong. Which is BTW the reason why I find High Elves despicable. In the LOTR setting, elves do make mistakes and harbor hatred and grudges just as well. There is even a civil war of elven tribes described in the Silmarillion. While the Hobbit movie trilogy was quite mediocre compared to the lore material and the LOTR movies, at least they got an interesting character in Thranduil, who could have been a great Blood Elf character just as well. High Elves in WoW lack this kind of depth.

I think you are making a lot of extrapolation of non WoW content for what is WoW's narrative, and I think that misses the point of looking at WoW's own narrative tbh.

Also the notion that High Elves are the "true and chosen" is simply stupid, let's not give any weight to such silly notions, nor take them as indicative of the reasons most of the playerbase wants High Elves.

Some of us want them because we like their lore, their place through it, and the potential they could have, and I feel your point is kinds dismissing all of that. Like I don't hate the whole Light V/S Void thematic VE's and BE's have, but I do feel it's rather shoehorned when we already had a far more interesting political set up between High and Blood Elves that could have been focused on in times of Faction War, and still, Alleria's own reasons to even go for the Void Elves were entirely political.

We had an great set up already and I think the whole Void/Light thing really came out of nowhere, and it really hasn't been even explored.

[FlubberPuddy]

I think lorewise Wildhammer are somewhat taller than Bronzebeards and Dark Iron so they could get new models (or scaled down Kul'Tiran models).

Instead of making "High Elves" more Night Elvish which would probably exclude paladins and mages as class options perhaps it would better to ask for a kind of Lightforged Night Elves,which would allow for paladins, priests and mages, potentially explain human-like skin-tones as well as a new "unique" model. In a way it would be "replicating" part of the process the original Highborne exiles went through and thus creating a new kind of High Elves from scratch.

True about Wildhammer, we'll have to see how Blizzard handles it. Do they want to keep the same silhouette dwarves have? Or construct it similar to have humans will now have access to a "new body type" through KulTiran. Interested to see how Blizzard handles it on that front.

As for High Elves and Night Elf, it really isn't trying to make them more Night Elvish lol, I know it's a meme but think more Legolas and less Amazonian Huntress. Basically the idea is that most High Elves on Alliance are depicted in situations where magic isn't a forefront to their identity. Silver Covenant ends up in the Hunter hall for instance during Legion, they'll mainly seen with Rangers when they mobilize (even though yes there are also High Elf mages around). There's Highvale who gave up using magic altogether.

But yeah I'm cool with your idea as well I want to have a High Elf Paladin on the Alliance ultimately so I aint saying no to that!!

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I mean you can make the case that High Elves in WoW are already a subversion given their place in the lore. There's nothing "High" about them anymore, they are expatriates living in human cities, all to willing to mingle with lesser races, assimilated into their culture while still trying to preserve something of their own even if it just ends up being carrying a name that doesn't really fit.

They really don't have the position to be aloof anymore tbh and I think there's such a lot possible to explore with them as a group of people on the brink of extinction but refusing to do so, and how they can have a legacy, a continuation, given their current context.

You pretty much summed up what I was going to say. I find it interesting to play this race of Elves who are carrying on a name/title as a callback to their previous society when they actually have no lands or power within that previous kingdom and have put all their eggs into their Ally's basket. They don't back down against their former society even when they are the vast minority, all the while having great camaraderie among old friends (and even new ones).

Maybe there are those that find it boring, but I find it very compelling to play a race that is the minority who decided that the path their kingdom was going down wasn't for them and gave up all they had because of the principle of the matter (as well as some also being exiled from the kingdom for it). There is no "right vs wrong" when it comes to the divide that was created by High Elves and Blood Elves, it was merely a choice of being pragmatic and being idealistic. It's compelling in the same way you see Sylvanas discussion happening around about whether she's a villain or anti-hero. There are arguments to be made for and against on both sides there which is the compelling part, and this applies to High Elves and Blood Elves as well.

Being able to play out this race (High Elves) lets players have the ability to experience one of the most contentious decisions and rivalries made in Warcraft to this day.

I think you are making a lot of extrapolation of non WoW content for what is WoW's narrative, and I think that misses the point of looking at WoW's own narrative tbh.

Also the notion that High Elves are the "true and chosen" is simply stupid, let's not give any weight to such silly notions, nor take them as indicative of the reasons most of the playerbase wants High Elves.

Some of us want them because we like their lore, their place through it, and the potential they could have, and I feel your point is kinds dismissing all of that. Like I don't hate the whole Light V/S Void thematic VE's and BE's have, but I do feel it's rather shoehorned when we already had a far more interesting political set up between High and Blood Elves that could have been focused on in times of Faction War, and still, Alleria's own reasons to even go for the Void Elves were entirely political.

We had an great set up already and I think the whole Void/Light thing really came out of nowhere, and it really hasn't been even explored.

Yeah just because there are some folks who say they consider Alliance High Elves as "true High Elves" doesn't mean every one of us does. I find it pretty useless to refer to them that way anyway. What is a "true High Elf" anyway? It misses the point of Alliance High Elves. They're proud in the sense that they kept to their convictions just as the Blood Elves did. But they are more often seen mingling with other races and considering themselves as equals rather than as being above them (which the Blood Elves do the reverse).

And yeah while Light/Void is a dynamic to be explored, it is a very black/white thing. Light/Void cannot co-exist together (as we see it affects relationships like Alleria and Turalyon) and a void being and light being will forever be opposed to each other. How is that honestly compelling? It's literally black and white. It's just as black and white as being someone who thinks every member of a race thinks 100% the same altogether. There's truly not much originality to black/whites like that as opposed to shades of gray.

This is why Light is starting to be shown in an oppressive manner and Void is starting to be shown in a helpful manner, but those concepts have nothing to do with the interactions of Light-Void which are black/white.

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

You pretty much summed up what I was going to say. I find it interesting to play this race of Elves who are carrying on a name/title as a callback to their previous society when they actually have no lands or power within that previous kingdom and have put all their eggs into their Ally's basket. They don't back down against their former society even when they are the vast minority, all the while having great camaraderie among old friends (and even new ones).

Maybe there are those that find it boring, but I find it very compelling to play a race that is the minority who decided that the path their kingdom was going down wasn't for them and gave up all they had because of the principle of the matter (as well as some also being exiled from the kingdom for it). There is no "right vs wrong" when it comes to the divide that was created by High Elves and Blood Elves, it was merely a choice of being pragmatic and being idealistic. It's compelling in the same way you see Sylvanas discussion happening around about whether she's a villain or anti-hero. There are arguments to be made for and against on both sides there which is the compelling part, and this applies to High Elves and Blood Elves as well.

Being able to play out this race (High Elves) lets players have the ability to experience one of the most contentious decisions and rivalries made in Warcraft to this day.

Honestly for me its just such a wasted opportunity TBH. And part of me thinks they could have least find a better balance if they had made the Silver Covenant into Void Elves. Not the most elegant solution, but it would have added a more blatant layer to their distinction, and made their political contrast also have the subtext of theur diverging paths have a literal cosmic representation.

It would have been far more interesting than Void Elves out of the ass.

Yeah just because there are some folks who say they consider Alliance High Elves as "true High Elves" doesn't mean every one of us does. I find it pretty useless to refer to them that way anyway. What is a "true High Elf" anyway? It misses the point of Alliance High Elves. They're proud in the sense that they kept to their convictions just as the Blood Elves did. But they are more often seen mingling with other races and considering themselves as equals rather than as being above them (which the Blood Elves do the reverse).

And yeah while Light/Void is a dynamic to be explored, it is a very black/white thing. Light/Void cannot co-exist together (as we see it affects relationships like Alleria and Turalyon) and a void being and light being will forever be opposed to each other. How is that honestly compelling? It's literally black and white. It's just as black and white as being someone who thinks every member of a race thinks 100% the same altogether. There's truly not much originality to black/whites like that as opposed to shades of gray.

This is why Light is starting to be shown in an oppressive manner and Void is starting to be shown in a helpful manner, but those concepts have nothing to do with the interactions of Light-Void which are black/white.

There is potential on the Void/Light dynamic, buy the thing is that is a completely removed theme that didn't have to be about Thalassian Elves? Specially since we have seen nothing about it so far, so it only exists as a thematic contrast with no substance for now, which feels like a waste, given that so much more interesting stuff could have been done on an expansion so focused on faction War with the High/Blood Elf divide. It really just feels like a wasted opportinity.

Like I hope they do something interesting with the Light/Void dichotomy, but yeah, it didn't have to be a about elves that already had an interesting conflict, and even still, it's hard to think the Light/Void thing won't end up playing the political division either way cause they literally made Void Elves another exiled group.

Missed opportunity form every angle.

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"Look sexy on mog" was confirmed when a multitude of high elf fans were happy with the possibility of void elfs getting high elf customization (following Alex's comment). IF it were about the lore, the vast majority of high elf fans would have opposed this idea. Instead, only a small minority don't like the idea as opposed to the many who would be happy with a high elf skin for void elfs.

Post your statistics.

[Strippling]

Come on, now you are just generalized based on the opinion of some High Elf fans. How is that fair? Like for example I am down for added HE customization on VE's ONLY if it has the lore reason of actual High Elves joining the Void Elves, because I feel it sufficiently follows up High Elven lore.

Not generalized bud. The post count of high elf fans FOR void elf customization was far greater than high elfs AGAINST the customization options. Don't believe me? Go count for yourself. Only a handful of people were against this idea... some were downright against it and said "high elfs AR only" and some said "only if high elf lore is included (such as yourself)". Most people were content with this customization idea, suggesting that for most high elf fans it was always about the aesthetics and lore has only been a bonus (per se). Which like I've said, if it's about the lore than NPC only high elfs is fine, as their story can continue through that.

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Post your statistics.

Go count for yourself. If you're too lazy to, then don't try act smug

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Go count for yourself. If you're too lazy to, then don't try act smug

Surely that means you then weren't too lazy to count, since you act so knowledgeable and smug yourself.

[Strippling]

I mean you can make the case that High Elves in WoW are already a subversion given their place in the lore. There's nothing "High" about them anymore, they are expatriates living in human cities, all to willing to mingle with lesser races, assimilated into their culture while still trying to preserve something of their own even if it just ends up being carrying a name that doesn't really fit.

They really don't have the position to be aloof anymore tbh and I think there's such a lot possible to explore with them as a group of people on the brink of extinction but refusing to do so, and how they can have a legacy, a continuation, given their current context.

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I think you are making a lot of extrapolation of non WoW content for what is WoW's narrative, and I think that misses the point of looking at WoW's own narrative tbh.

Also the notion that High Elves are the "true and chosen" is simply stupid, let's not give any weight to such silly notions, nor take them as indicative of the reasons most of the playerbase wants High Elves.

Some of us want them because we like their lore, their place through it, and the potential they could have, and I feel your point is kinds dismissing all of that. Like I don't hate the whole Light V/S Void thematic VE's and BE's have, but I do feel it's rather shoehorned when we already had a far more interesting political set up between High and Blood Elves that could have been focused on in times of Faction War, and still, Alleria's own reasons to even go for the Void Elves were entirely political.

We had an great set up already and I think the whole Void/Light thing really came out of nowhere, and it really hasn't been even explored.

I'll remind you that it was a high elf fan who brought in non WoW content to try and define what a WoW high elf is.

[FlubberPuddy]

I'll remind you that it was a high elf fan who brought in non WoW content to try and define what a WoW high elf is.

Yes because Blizzard themselves have never drawn parallels from any other fantasy universes.

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

I'll remind you that it was a high elf fan who brought in non WoW content to try and define what a WoW high elf is.

Eh, by the time of my response we were back on the WoW context of things so it was like coming back to a tangent that had been brought to show a concept that could work on the WoW setting, and my latter response was to shoehorning WoW's elves into specific Warhammer concepts 1:1 rather than FlubberPuddyy's original "inspiration"D&D post.

[Nargrom]

its pointless to add high elves cause they make zero sense. According to lore high elves ARE the blood elves, they only changed their cause the massacre that arthas caused over the sunwell story, the only possibility is to add blood elves to the alliance that defect from the horde but also refuse to embrasse the void but good luck explaing that to the casual player. The most logical step is to move blood elves as whole to alliance and rename them but good luck for that to happen. So all in all no reason to discuss this, cool concept, cant work though

[Redzonetode]

its pointless to add high elves cause they make zero sense. According to lore high elves ARE the blood elves, they only changed their cause the massacre that arthas caused over the sunwell story, the only possibility is to add blood elves to the alliance that defect from the horde but also refuse to embrasse the void but good luck explaing that to the casual player. The most logical step is to move blood elves as whole to alliance and rename them but good luck for that to happen. So all in all no reason to discuss this, cool concept, cant work though

But... High Elves are on the alliance right now, lore-wise. There's high elf mages on the airship in the arathi warfront. There's a high elf island squad.. And they aren't blood elves.

So all in all, you're misinformed or miseducated and you should maybe listen more to the arguments.