Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[Evilfish]

At this point I would just ignore and/or report, and move on. But definitely just ignore.

There's some people that come into the discussion just to make inflammatory posts (like Evilfish) where nothing of substance is brought to the discussion and keeps going round and round in circles.

Then there's those who actually make an effort towards creating posts against High Elves and discuss the different events occurring in-game and out-of-game towards their position (like Obelisk).

I think we're at a point in the discussion now where it's pretty clear to see who posts just to throw some quick jabs about the discussion and those who post to actually participate in it.

Inflammatory? Sorry that the reality check I posted about your version of a compromise immolated you. But that's still not flaming.

You say you want to discuss Helfs, I have nothing against that, but the reality is you do not, because you will turn against anything that is not in full agreement with you. You just want to hear everyone agree with exactly what you want and when people don't do that you start acting up, like your buddy who is acting like I pulled a knife on him and with you advising him to report me for ... what exactly?

As much as you would love it, I won't flame you. But by all means, ignore me, I'll still drop a reality check next time one of you starts confusing his desire with reality. Kinda like the whole compromise subject.

[RangerDaz]

It's hilarious you still need to be an hostile rant machine while still actually agreeing with my point.

I mean you still wholly misunderstand that both parts have to get something on a compromise, so a compromise that doesn't address even a little of what I want, I.E. the lore, is not a compromise by default.

So you are basically saying that I am wrong about what a compromise is, continue to flail about it, yet you actually agree with one of the cases of compromise I would find acceptable.

You are quite something Evilfish.

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If we are going by implications as people like to go around, yeah, that no High Elves have golden eyes, implies that for some reason only Blood Elves are getting them.

Is it proximity? active channeling of the light energies? Whatever the case might be, there is the implication that the golden eyes are just for SOME blood elves, and so far, no High Elves.

That itself creates even more differentiation, and since the implication is there already, not hard at all to expand upon.

While I think that High Elves are still connected to the Sunwell -In the Shadow of the Sun tells us that- I do believe that for some reason, the Sunwell is affecting Blood Elves differently because of context.

And there's also the possibility of Blood Elves willfully cutting off any traitors.

Yes! I believe the proximity to the sunwell is changing them. It is almost like radition. Who is near gets greatly exposed, and this is changing the blood elves infusing them with holy energy.

[Lumineus]

Proximity never affected them before. They had glowing eyes when there wasn't even a Sunwell to draw from, High Elves did not. The only logical explanation is that it's a side effect of over-reliance on mana-tapping during the period between TFT and TBC.

[FlubberPuddy]

Inflammatory? Sorry that the reality check I posted about your version of a compromise immolated you. But that's still not flaming.

You say you want to discuss Helfs, I have nothing against that, but the reality is you do not, because you will turn against anything that is not in full agreement with you. You just want to hear everyone agree with exactly what you want and when people don't do that you start acting up, like your buddy who is acting like I pulled a knife on him and with you advising him to report me for ... what exactly?

As much as you would love it, I won't flame you. But by all means, ignore me, I'll still drop a reality check next time one of you starts confusing his desire with reality. Kinda like the whole compromise subject.

Inflammatory is stuff like the below

like your buddy who is acting like I pulled a knife on him

You exaggerate so much, in an antagonistic way, that's what I call inflammatory. The report suggestion isn't a main point, it's more just ignoring. I said report because you're clearly being rude/inflammatory, but it's up to the mods how they'd like to handle it y'know? Just because I suggest it doesn't mean anything will come of it.

I've just learned it's better to ignore and/or report and move on, because going in circles does nothing.

Also you clearly put words into others mouths that isn't there. If I actually wanted things exactly the way I wanted then Void Elves wouldn't have ever been a thing and High Elves would be. I work with what's there.

There are facts to Blood Elves that everyone knows that I've never debated against, like them being the majority of the "High Elf race" or them being former High Elves. Heck even at some point is correct to say "Blood Elves are High Elves" but that misses the context of this entire discussion which has already been pointed out numerous times.

High Elf is the name of a race sure, but High Elf is also the name of a group of High Elves on Alliance (who still call themselves High Elves - blame Blizz not the players) that have been faction loyal forever and continue to pop up alongside Alliance matters. With the Allied Race system in place it's the reason why players who wanted to play High Elves are speaking up more now than ever before, even though it's been a known request for a long time Alliance side, but back then additional playable races had heavier requirements.

A Blood Elf doesn't fall into that fantasy. Just like a Green Orc could never fulfill the Mag'har fantasy. Just like a Bronzebeard can't fulfill the Wildhammer fantasy. A Void Elf is even further from that asked for High Elf fantasy since they're closer to beginning TBC Blood Elves with throwing their faith into a chaotic magic source.

You can talk about reality checks but you're missing the most recent reality check which is that there's a chance High Elf customization can come to Void Elves. If Blizzard is open to allowing that (HE customization) then perhaps they can be open to more? Who truly knows. I'll say we know once we see how Wildhammer Dwarves are handled. The other reality check that Ion off-the-cuff has said "the door hasn't closed" on High Elves.

The tone has changed since the April Q/A. That's a reality check you're continually ignoring. Not that it matters. Ultimately it's just Blizzard that has to be convinced. And the more we see them implementing High Elves in-game, the more story that occurs around Blood Elves coming back to Alliance, the further that Void Elves go in their own direction, all of it aids in giving High Elves an entry way into being properly playable on Alliance.

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

Proximity never affected them before. They had glowing eyes when there wasn't even a Sunwell to draw from, High Elves did not. The only logical explanation is that it's a side effect of over-reliance on mana-tapping during the period between TFT and TBC.

Considering that proximity to power sources literally gave them glowing eyes -The well of eternity, then the sunwell, then green with fel crystals- I think that the theory that proximity to radiating powers sources affects Thalassian Eye color cannot be dismissed.

Void Elves got blue-white eyes for being exposed to Void Energy, should have been purple but let's go with it.

[Lumineus]

Void Elves are also former Blood Elves, which means they used Mana Tap.

The High Elves stationed in Outland never got glowing eyes, let alone green glowing eyes, despite living on a Fel-blasted asteroid for two decades.

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

Void Elves are also former Blood Elves, which means they used Mana Tap.

The High Elves stationed in Outland never got glowing eyes, let alone green glowing eyes, despite living on a Fel-blasted asteroid for two decades.

I mean the Sunwel itself already gave them blue eyes on the first place so...

[Evilfish]

Inflammatory is stuff like the below



You exaggerate so much, in an antagonistic way, that's what I call inflammatory. The report suggestion isn't a main point, it's more just ignoring. I said report because you're clearly being rude/inflammatory, but it's up to the mods how they'd like to handle it y'know? Just because I suggest it doesn't mean anything will come of it.

I've just learned it's better to ignore and/or report and move on, because going in circles does nothing.

Also you clearly put words into others mouths that isn't there. If I actually wanted things exactly the way I wanted then Void Elves wouldn't have ever been a thing and High Elves would be. I work with what's there.

There are facts to Blood Elves that everyone knows that I've never debated against, like them being the majority of the "High Elf race" or them being former High Elves. Heck even at some point is correct to say "Blood Elves are High Elves" but that misses the context of this entire discussion which has already been pointed out numerous times.

High Elf is the name of a race sure, but High Elf is also the name of a group of High Elves on Alliance (who still call themselves High Elves - blame Blizz not the players) that have been faction loyal forever and continue to pop up alongside Alliance matters. With the Allied Race system in place it's the reason why players who wanted to play High Elves are speaking up more now than ever before, even though it's been a known request for a long time Alliance side, but back then additional playable races had heavier requirements.

A Blood Elf doesn't fall into that fantasy. Just like a Green Orc could never fulfill the Mag'har fantasy. Just like a Bronzebeard can't fulfill the Wildhammer fantasy. A Void Elf is even further from that asked for High Elf fantasy since they're closer to beginning TBC Blood Elves with throwing their faith into a chaotic magic source.

You can talk about reality checks but you're missing the most recent reality check which is that there's a chance High Elf customization can come to Void Elves. If Blizzard is open to allowing that (HE customization) then perhaps they can be open to more? Who truly knows. I'll say we know once we see how Wildhammer Dwarves are handled. The other reality check that Ion off-the-cuff has said "the door hasn't closed" on High Elves.

The tone has changed since the April Q/A. That's a reality check you're continually ignoring. Not that it matters. Ultimately it's just Blizzard that has to be convinced. And the more we see them implementing High Elves in-game, the more story that occurs around Blood Elves coming back to Alliance, the further that Void Elves go in their own direction, all of it aids in giving High Elves an entry way into being properly playable on Alliance.

Ok, let's cut the crap. I'm here cause I don't want you people to pull another Velf. And yeah, I'm aware you didn't create Velfs but you were the cause they were given to the Alliance. That is enough. Anything past that is ripping off Belfs and quite frankly the model was enogu of a compromise. If you fellas feel it's not enough for you then by all means the HORDE IS WAITING FOR YOU, with pretty little elves all pink just like you want them. If that's not acceptable then SO SORRY, there's no debate past that so either start liking the Velfs or start liking the Belfs. That's all there is to it.You can't do that and feel the need to fill 5000 pages of you posts that only seem to vehiculate around the idea of getting Helfs and when, nothing else matters, except of course the people who might disagree with you, but you can always ask the other posters to ignore then, report them or just wish they'd got cancer like one of your passionate posters told one poster here (I won't name him).

Deal with people coming here with different perspectives. Deal with the idea that non all of them will want to agree with you and some of them might even oppose you and please, pretty please, with sugar on top, get the hell over yourselves. Maybe then you'll have a civil discussion over a pointless subject like Helfs.

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

Ok, let's cut the crap. I'm here cause I don't want you people to pull another Velf. And yeah, I'm aware you didn't create Velfs but you were the cause they were given to the Alliance. That is enough. Anything past that is ripping off Belfs and quite frankly the model was enogu of a compromise. If you fellas feel it's not enough for you then by all means the HORDE IS WAITING FOR YOU, with pretty little elves all pink just like you want them. If that's not acceptable then SO SORRY, there's no debate past that so either start liking the Velfs or start liking the Belfs. That's all there is to it.You can't do that and feel the need to fill 5000 pages of you posts that only seem to vehiculate around the idea of getting Helfs and when, nothing else matters, except of course the people who might disagree with you, but you can always ask the other posters to ignore then, report them or just wish they'd got cancer like one of your passionate posters told one poster here (I won't name him).

Deal with people coming here with different perspectives. Deal with the idea that non all of them will want to agree with you and some of them might even oppose you and please, pretty please, with sugar on top, get the hell over yourselves. Maybe then you'll have a civil discussion over a pointless subject like Helfs.

And you will always miss the point of how Void Elves will never be a compromise for people that don't really care about the model on the first place.

But that would actually have necessity of you actually taking into account other people's perspective, thing you have proven yourself utterly unable to during all this time.

[Strippling]

I was depressed for 10 years. That shit does stuff to your brain, mate.
No, I wasn't trying to defend my behaviour, just trying to explain myself. I see now that it went poorly.
I'm very sorry to everyone for what I've said in the past.

I'm sorry to hear you had to go through that. My wife has been severely depressed for the past 5 years and it's taken a big toll on me and our children... so I know the damage it does. Despite my previous post, I do hope the best for you and hope you can heal from the mental damage

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https://www.firesofheaven.org/thread...ok-at-wow.353/


Alex "Keep It Respectful" Afrasiabi.

Not sure what I'm meant to be reading here, but I assume you're trying to justify disrespectful behavior?

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And you will always miss the point of how Void Elves will never be a compromise for people that don't really care about the model on the first place.

But that would actually have necessity of you actually taking into account other people's perspective, thing you have proven yourself utterly unable to during all this time.

That's rich. You realize that void elfs weren't just a compromise for the Alliance (in getting the thalassian model they've been demanding for) but also a compromise so as to not detract from the Horde race "Blood Elfs". Take into account other people's perspectives please before requesting something just cause "I want my high elfs".

[FlubberPuddy]

Ok, let's cut the crap. I'm here cause I don't want you people to pull another Velf. And yeah, I'm aware you didn't create Velfs but you were the cause they were given to the Alliance. That is enough. Anything past that is ripping off Belfs and quite frankly the model was enogu of a compromise. If you fellas feel it's not enough for you then by all means the HORDE IS WAITING FOR YOU, with pretty little elves all pink just like you want them. If that's not acceptable then SO SORRY, there's no debate past that so either start liking the Velfs or start liking the Belfs. That's all there is to it.You can't do that and feel the need to fill 5000 pages of you posts that only seem to vehiculate around the idea of getting Helfs and when, nothing else matters, except of course the people who might disagree with you, but you can always ask the other posters to ignore then, report them or just wish they'd got cancer like one of your passionate posters told one poster here (I won't name him).

Deal with people coming here with different perspectives. Deal with the idea that non all of them will want to agree with you and some of them might even oppose you and please, pretty please, with sugar on top, get the hell over yourselves. Maybe then you'll have a civil discussion over a pointless subject like Helfs.

So you admit that you're not here to discuss, just give your opinion and spout the meme-y "horde is waiting for you", thanks that's all I needed. I'm sure you can see how many of the posts just saying "horde are waiting for you" are treated.

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

That's rich. You realize that void elfs weren't just a compromise for the Alliance (in getting the thalassian model they've been demanding for) but also a compromise so as to not detract from the Horde race "Blood Elfs". Take into account other people's perspectives please before requesting something just cause "I want my high elfs".

And sure giving the alliance literal Blood Elves din't detract from them, instead of using the group already on the alliance. You know what would have detracted even LESS from Blood Elves??

MAKING VOID ELVES OUT OF ALLIANCE HIGH ELVES IN THE FIRST PLACE.

As for the bolded part, it case you literally missed the line above

And you will always miss the point of how Void Elves will never be a compromise for people that don't really care about the model on the first place.

So I got a compromise on something I really didn't care...

Seriously how hard os to understand what a compromise is?

[FlubberPuddy]

That's rich. You realize that void elfs weren't just a compromise for the Alliance (in getting the thalassian model they've been demanding for) but also a compromise so as to not detract from the Horde race "Blood Elfs". Take into account other people's perspectives please before requesting something just cause "I want my high elfs".

Do you realize that Horde was given the "Night Elf Highborne" aesthetic? Blizzard set the precedent that an underutilized theme of an already playable race is par for the course when coming up with Allied Races.

If you want to be like that then since Alliance have the thalassian model, we can continue to "demand" for more thalassian elf things. Blizzard has already shown to be open to that idea for Alliance already anyway.

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And sure giving the alliance literal Blood Elves didnt detract from BE's

That's the funny thing, BE population I think either grew or stayed the same. When so many were saying High Elves would cause a huge swing in the player population (but then also at the same time chiming in that they're a boring addition no one would want). Yet literally ex-Blood Elves who have been touted as a very successful Alliance allied race has not impacted their ancestral race Horde side player population at all.

[Lumineus]

Not sure what I'm meant to be reading here, but I assume you're trying to justify disrespectful behavior?

Perhaps because you're ignorant?

Alex Afrasiabi is Furor Planedefiler, the guildmaster of Fires of Heaven. The only reason he is a dev in the first place is because of nepotism (hired on recommendation of Jeff Kaplan, aka his guildmate Tigole Bitties).

And what I am saying is asking for respectful behavior towards himself when he did not offer it to John Smedley -- over a logistics issue Blizzard repeated TWICE in WoW, no less -- makes him a hypocrite.

[Toho]

Guys....Do you really want so many elves races?, i mean, another elf race when you already got Void elves that are Silvermoon elves turned into void?. The only thing i can see blizzard doing for High Elves, is making a Void elf racial passive that allows them to turn into normal elves just like Alleria.

personally?

Just give the current void elves options for tattoos and more normal skin colors.

[FlubberPuddy]

Guys....Do you really want so many elves races?, i mean, another elf race when you already got Void elves that are Silvermoon elves turned into void?. The only thing i can see blizzard doing for High Elves, is making a Void elf racial passive that allows them to turn into normal elves just like Alleria.

There's no rush to have High Elves right now, no one's claiming that which you're implying. Also we know that Blizzard is already okay with doing more than a VE passive racial, by saying it's possible High Elf customization can come to Void Elves. So that's the bottom floor.

Again, since we also know that Wildhammer Dwarves will be coming at some point, which is a 3rd dwarf on Alliance. Then the most likely 3rd elf on Alliance is most likely going to be High Elves, unless they create another out-of-nowhere Elf for Alliance.

[Strippling]

Perhaps because you're ignorant?

Alex Afrasiabi is Furor Planedefiler, the guildmaster of Fires of Heaven. The only reason he is a dev in the first place is because of nepotism (hired on recommendation of Jeff Kaplan, aka his guildmate Tigole Bitties).

And what I am saying is asking for respectful behavior towards himself when he did not offer it to John Smedley -- over a logistics issue Blizzard repeated TWICE in WoW, no less -- makes him a hypocrite.

Got it, you're justifying disrespectful behavior.

[FlubberPuddy]

And what I am saying is asking for respectful behavior towards himself when he did not offer it to John Smedley -- over a logistics issue Blizzard repeated TWICE in WoW, no less -- makes him a hypocrite.

Meh, Furor definitely stuck it to the man, but no harm is asking for respectful feedback all around.

[Deleted]

Do you realize that Horde was given the "Night Elf Highborne" aesthetic? Blizzard set the precedent that an underutilized theme of an already playable race is par for the course when coming up with Allied Races.

If you want to be like that then since Alliance have the thalassian model, we can continue to "demand" for more thalassian elf things. Blizzard has already shown to be open to that idea for Alliance already anyway.

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That's the funny thing, BE population I think either grew or stayed the same. When so many were saying High Elves would cause a huge swing in the player population (but then also at the same time chiming in that they're a boring addition no one would want). Yet literally ex-Blood Elves who have been touted as a very successful Alliance allied race has not impacted their ancestral race Horde side player population at all.

At the same time, Alliance was given the Blood Elf aesthetics with a slight twist with the Void Elves, which is a fair trade since Nightborne also have a slight twist compared to Night Elves. And VE also have much better and more customising options than NB have, on top of that.

High Elf fans are really an ungrateful bunch.

BTW, nothing stops Blizzard from stating that VE are bolstering their numbers by converting High Elves. This is the only logical thing since the numbers of VE exciled from Silvermoon has not been that great. VE for me are nothing more than converted High Elves, no matter if they come from the Alliance or Horde.

And I surely would not make a High Elf character even if Blizzard would create High Elves as an Alliance AR. I play Sin'dorei because they are the true Thalassian Elves. I don't even had to get Void Elves, though they do look quite good, to be fair. Much better than High Elves in their boring, generic aesthetics. Tattoos would not do anything to improve that. Elves in WoW only got my interest with the Night Elves and the Blood Elf storyline. I did not care about Alleria at all. Jaina, Tyrande and Garona always have been much more interesting. I really do not get how people get so worked up about a generic, bland race which does not have any depth compared to most other fantasy settings.

[Vasaru]

Guys....Do you really want so many elves races?, i mean, another elf race when you already got Void elves that are Silvermoon elves turned into void?. The only thing i can see blizzard doing for High Elves, is making a Void elf racial passive that allows them to turn into normal elves just like Alleria.

Yes. The more the merrier.
I've tried playing Blood elves but it always felt awkward to me. I've no problem playing an Orc, troll or tauren while i'm on Horde. En elf however just feels wrong, unnatural. So I stick to Alliance mostly where I feel like they make sense and fit in.

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[..]High Elf fans are really an ungrateful bunch.[...]

I wonder why that is.

Blizzard gave the Horde a race that were originally part of the Alliance. A decision which ultimately led to the Horde being the more popular and successful faction.