Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[Aldo Hawk]

Some stayed with the horde, some stayed with the alliance, some stayed with Kael'thas, some stayed neutral, is not hard.

[FlubberPuddy]

Not sure what today’s Horde Blood Elves have to do with today’s Alliance High Elves.

It’s that simple really. There’s elves on Alliance requesting to be made playable. They refer to themselves as High Elves. These Alliance members are what’s being requested.

I don’t see how the request has anything to do with Horde and their Blood Elves.

Also, the more that Blizzard decides to speak on about the Alliance High Elves and Alliance getting the “High Elf fantasy” I wonder how long Obelisk will keep regurgitating, “but Ion said this once!” even though it’s not the most recent word on the High Elf topic.

[RangerDaz]

It would be bad business to put the High Elves and Blood Elves AND Void Elves on Alliance. That would destroy what's left of the playerbase, guaranteed.

Sounds like most of you just have a hard-on for elves. I own more trolls and Orcs than any other race, and this crying over getting more elves makes you all sound like a bunch of pantywipes.

I'm glad the Void Elves said "hello". They're traitors, pure and simple; Lor'Themar follows the ideals of the Horde, and minus Sylvanas, he adores his faction. He won't be moving. We all know how racist the Alliance is.

The best part: Nightborne and Blood Elves are the best two elven species in the game. Alliance gets the goofy versions lol

In terms of lore and racial identity, Blood Elves, Void Elves, Silver Covenant, Sanlayn and Dark Rangers all come from the original Quel'thalas Elves (before Warcraft 3), but today all of them are very different from each other. Alliance already has Alleria's elves (Void Elves) part of their ranks and could also have the possibility to get the alliagence of Vereesa's elves (the Silver Covenant, aka the untouched High Elves). All these are completely different in terms of wow ingame lore than the current blood elves, so i don't get what you are saying.

Also both Void Elves and Silver Covenant are dissidents (or traitors if you wish) from the Silvermoon population.

PS: everyone has the right for their opinions, including your comment about the "goofy elves". I don't agree, i think they are all interesting.

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Stop right there, worgen and forsaken nelf would be the most silly thing they could ever did, heck I would take the fallout gnomes anf furries goblin any day before such thing.

If the alliance get high elves, then the horde should get ogres to pair with the wc2 theme, other combination will be terrible bad

I agree getting night elf worgen and forsaken would be silly, and that is why i wrote i wasn't hyped for them at all, everytime other players talk about them.

And i also agree that the horde should get Ogres are an allied race, but considering that we are waiting for Zandalari for ages now, my hype on Allied Races' releases has greatly diminished.

[Varx]

As much as I agree with obelisk and every like minded poster, there is no point in trying to convince these high elfers no matter how much logic and facts you throw at them.

They just wanna live in the past with their Warcraft 2 hard ons despite the lore developments of quel'thalas.

That or just hating on Horde culture but loving the belf model.

It's like arguing against someone's religion, their feelings > logic and common sense.

[RangerDaz]

So you're one of those weird stalker, sponge-brained types? lol

That is the wierdest answer i have ever received this forum.

[Zandalariprelate]

I agree getting night elf worgen and forsaken would be silly, and that is why i wrote i wasn't hyped for them at all, everytime other players talk about them.

And i also agree that the horde should get Ogres are an allied race, but considering that we are waiting for Zandalari for ages now, my hype on Allied Races' releases has greatly diminished.

Well I believe they should have released the allied race every 4 months or release customization in between aparts since it seem the rest of the allied races will be included in the x.x.5 of every major patch.

[FlubberPuddy]

Well I believe they should have released the allied race every 4 months or release customization in between aparts since it seem the rest of the allied races will be included in the x.x.5 of every major patch.

I agree, feels a bit too far and few between Dark Iron and Mag'har. I think part of it is that we had 4 races at once AND that rep gained on one faction counted for the other (since they were neutral reps).

The time gating, and the Alliance-only / Horde-only rep gating are probably what's making it feel longer.

Feels weird to me that it's only about ~4-5 months into BfA yet it feels much much longer than that. I can't remember feeling this same way about Legion and I did the same thing (didn't play for about 3-4 months due to school till winter break hit).

I think one of BfA's issues right now is probably the mum on Allied Races after ZD/KT has left many people with not much to look forward to regarding the upcoming patches. We also know that there's still about 3 weeks until 8.1.5. meaning 3 weeks longer in what already feels like a slow pace atm before seeing the new 8.2 stuffs!

Hoping the pace picks up once 8.1.5 releases.

[Zandalariprelate]

I agree, feels a bit too far and few between Dark Iron and Mag'har. I think part of it is that we had 4 races at once AND that rep gained on one faction counted for the other (since they were neutral reps).

The time gating, and the Alliance-only / Horde-only rep gating are probably what's making it feel longer.

Feels weird to me that it's only about ~4-5 months into BfA yet it feels much much longer than that. I can't remember feeling this same way about Legion and I did the same thing (didn't play for about 3-4 months due to school till winter break hit).

I think one of BfA's issues right now is probably the mum on Allied Races after ZD/KT has left many people with not much to look forward to regarding the upcoming patches. We also know that there's still about 3 weeks until 8.1.5. meaning 3 weeks longer in what already feels like a slow pace atm before seeing the new 8.2 stuffs!

Hoping the pace picks up once 8.1.5 releases.

Well the zandalari probably will be available after lfr release just like the questline of Vol'jin because people will complain they are forced to do things they won't do in normal circunstance

[FlubberPuddy]

Well the zandalari probably will be available after lfr release just like the questline of Vol'jin because people will complain they are forced to do things they won't do in normal circunstance

That would be annoying, considering these days it's easy to pug normal raids (still takes some coordination).

I'm hoping to see if there's anything related to a Silvermoon Warfront (and possibly underpinning potential High Elves) coming in 8.2 or 8.2.5 datamining

Nothing upcoming of what we know so far has me hyped. Probably only the Xal'talah (sp?) stuff, but with how slow Blizzard tells stories I am unsure how fleshed out it will be.

[Zandalariprelate]

That would be annoying, considering these days it's easy to pug normal raids (still takes some coordination).

I'm hoping to see if there's anything related to a Silvermoon Warfront (and possibly underpinning potential High Elves) coming in 8.2 or 8.2.5 datamining

Nothing upcoming of what we know so far has me hyped. Probably only the Xal'talah (sp?) stuff, but with how slow Blizzard tells stories I am unsure how fleshed out it will be.

I don't think they will push the Silvermoon battlefront, they could have planted the seeds for new buildings, textures, etc but they didn't and the zone seems it won't be touched and in my opinion I think the nelves will recuperate their territories and that will be at the exchange for the forsakens or the belves recuperating all the lands and maybe the plagued lands

[AngerFork]

I don't think they will push the Silvermoon battlefront, they could have planted the seeds for new buildings, textures, etc but they didn't and the zone seems it won't be touched and in my opinion I think the nelves will recuperate their territories and that will be at the exchange for the forsakens or the belves recuperating all the lands and maybe the plagued lands

Aside from Uther's Tomb, have they really planted any seeds for new Warfronts via buildings/textures/etc to this point? Perhaps I've missed it, but I can't otherwise think of any spot where we've seen updates that would point to any new zones/themes for Warfronts to come.

[Zandalariprelate]

Aside from Uther's Tomb, have they really planted any seeds for new Warfronts via buildings/textures/etc to this point? Perhaps I've missed it, but I can't otherwise think of any spot where we've seen updates that would point to any new zones/themes for Warfronts to come.

They did with stromgarde in legion when the city was walled at the very least another example is darkshore, they just added the new moon and bases from what is left of the zone after the pre patch scenario, also after the WoD fiasko about garrison, they will probably at best add another one or just keep this 2 and that it, they know it's a bad idea to spend resources in features that are poorly received.

[Ielenia]

Blood Elves ARE High Elves

Yes. Blood elves are high elves, but not all high elves are blood elves. Just like all Granny Smiths are apples, but not all apples are Granny Smith.

and have been a core Horde race for twelve years.

I don't think Blood Elves are a "core" Horde race, since they weren't available at the game's inception. By that logic, every single race added to the Horde becomes a "core" Horde race.

That a few thalassian elves betrayed their people to remain with the Alliance is irrelevant, they are indistinguishable from their countrymen except on a point of political ideology.

Doesn't the same apply to the Pandaren? Indistinguishable from their countrymen except on a point of political/philosophical ideology?

They are NOT a core race of the Alliance,

Arguably, they are. They've been part of the Human Alliance's units since Warcraft 2.

If High Elves ever comprised a part of the Alliance identity, they no longer do so because they left the Alliance.

They haven't. Not all of them, at least. The Silver Covenant still stands with the Alliance. We also have several Alliance high elves around in the game, and more are added each expansion.

[FlubberPuddy]

I don't think they will push the Silvermoon battlefront, they could have planted the seeds for new buildings, textures, etc but they didn't and the zone seems it won't be touched and in my opinion I think the nelves will recuperate their territories and that will be at the exchange for the forsakens or the belves recuperating all the lands and maybe the plagued lands

Not a big deal if not, just would be dope

I do think we'll get at the very least 1 more Warfront, due to the fact that they said when the 2nd season starts the Darkshore Warfront rewards will jump up in requirements to fit with the new season, it just got released early before the season started which is why the ilvl drops are what they are right now.

To me it means since we know we're getting a 3rd Tier/Season then that'll most likely come with a new Warfront as well, probably the last one for the expansion, wonder where it'll be?

They've been a lot more mum on what's to come in the last tier patch for BFA compared to Legion, where at Blizzcon 2016 we got info on 7.2/7.2.5 and then also a bit more of a teaser for 7.3 - knowing we'd go to Argus.

For 8.3, all that was shown was a little fish, not even where'll we go or anything said about 8.3. Is pretty .... fishy

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They haven't. Not all of them, at least. The Silver Covenant still stands with the Alliance. We also have several Alliance high elves around in the game, and more are added each expansion.

The funniest thing about this all is that Blood Elves don't refer to themselves as High Elves. The simplest way to put it is a group of elves on Alliance are being asked for, not a race.

[Obelisk Kai]

Yes. Blood elves are high elves, but not all high elves are blood elves. Just like all Granny Smiths are apples, but not all apples are Granny Smith.

That just proves my point, which is that High Elves are playable. That a few High Elves aren't Blood Elves is irrelevant, the option is available and present on the Horde.
And if Blood Elves are Granny Smiths...Alliance High Elves are ALSO Granny Smiths, just in a different basket. Void Elves at least have the decency to be Honeycrisps.

I don't think Blood Elves are a "core" Horde race, since they weren't available at the game's inception. By that logic, every single race added to the Horde becomes a "core" Horde race.

Yeah I've had this argument over whether Blood Elves are a core Horde race for a while now. This one is resolved. Load up the game, go to character creator and select the 'Allied Races' button. When the interface lists the Allied Races, that button changes to 'Core Race' for you to go back. Blood Elves are now defined as a core Horde race by Blizzard.

Doesn't the same apply to the Pandaren? Indistinguishable from their countrymen except on a point of political/philosophical ideology?

Just because Blizzard made a mistake in creating a neutral race does not mean they are obligated to repeat that mistake. And Pandaren were conceived of and introduced as neutral. Blood Elves have been Horde for 12 years.

Arguably, they are. They've been part of the Human Alliance's units since Warcraft 2.

And in Warcraft 3 they were betrayed by the Alliance, they left and then joined the Horde. The story moved on.

They haven't. Not all of them, at least. The Silver Covenant still stands with the Alliance. We also have several Alliance high elves around in the game, and more are added each expansion.

The ones remaining are too few in number to be relevant or a major Alliance race. As for the 'more added every expansion' in BFA we had four, two of whom are nameless NPCs on the airship in Arathi Basin. Void Elf presence in BFA already outstrips High Elf.

[Highelf]

That just proves my point, which is that High Elves are playable. That a few High Elves aren't Blood Elves is irrelevant, the option is available and present on the Horde.
And if Blood Elves are Granny Smiths...Alliance High Elves are ALSO Granny Smiths, just in a different basket. Void Elves at least have the decency to be Honeycrisps.




Yeah I've had this argument over whether Blood Elves are a core Horde race for a while now. This one is resolved. Load up the game, go to character creator and select the 'Allied Races' button. When the interface lists the Allied Races, that button changes to 'Core Race' for you to go back. Blood Elves are now defined as a core Horde race by Blizzard.




Just because Blizzard made a mistake in creating a neutral race does not mean they are obligated to repeat that mistake. And Pandaren were conceived of and introduced as neutral. Blood Elves have been Horde for 12 years.




And in Warcraft 3 they were betrayed by the Alliance, they left and then joined the Horde. The story moved on.




The ones remaining are too few in number to be relevant or a major Alliance race. As for the 'more added every expansion' in BFA we had four, two of whom are nameless NPCs on the airship in Arathi Basin. Void Elf presence in BFA already outstrips High Elf.

Not all joined the horde. Have you been paying attention? You do realize that the only reason BE are on the horde is because Asians wanted a pretty race to play on the horde. Outside of that, it makes no sense why they joined the horde.

[Obelisk Kai]

Not all joined the horde. Have you been paying attention? You do realize that the only reason BE are on the horde is because Asians wanted a pretty race to play on the horde. Outside of that, it makes no sense why they joined the horde.

The IRL reason Blood Elves were added is irrelevant to the discussion.

As for the ingame reason...they feel they were betrayed by the Alliance, they needed allies, their former ranger-general gave them an option they assumed was temporary until they could join Kael in Outland and then they ended up in the Horde full time as a result. That is consistent, believable reasoning. It makes sense in other words and saying after twelve years of storytelling that it doesn't make sense just demonstrates that the way the story has developed hasn't conformed to what you want.

As for 'Not all joined the Horde', that is not and never has been the point. That there is a group of Alliance loyal thalassian elves is a fact. That they are identical in every way to a core Horde race except political allegiance is the key issue.

[Ielenia]

That just proves my point, which is that High Elves are playable. That a few High Elves aren't Blood Elves is irrelevant, the option is available and present on the Horde.

But the people who want to play high elves not only don't want to play Horde, but they don't want to play blood elves. It's this little thing that you don't seem to comprehend or are ignoring.

And if Blood Elves are Granny Smiths...Alliance High Elves are ALSO Granny Smiths, just in a different basket.

No. No, they are not. Now you're being willfully dishonest if you think so.

Yeah I've had this argument over whether Blood Elves are a core Horde race for a while now. This one is resolved. Load up the game, go to character creator and select the 'Allied Races' button. When the interface lists the Allied Races, that button changes to 'Core Race' for you to go back. Blood Elves are now defined as a core Horde race by Blizzard.

So basically any "non-allied" race is a "core" race, no matter if they were added to the Horde, say, two days ago?

Just because Blizzard made a mistake in creating a neutral race does not mean they are obligated to repeat that mistake. And Pandaren were conceived of and introduced as neutral. Blood Elves have been Horde for 12 years.

... All the races were "neutral" before joining either faction, either through diplomacy or a "common enemy". Also, I don't think the pandaren were a mistake.

And in Warcraft 3 they were betrayed by the Alliance, they left and then joined the Horde. The story moved on.

Blood elves joined the Horde. The high elves who refused to follow Kael'Thas did not join the Horde. Small but very important bit of information.

The ones remaining are too few in number to be relevant or a major Alliance race.

"Void elves" makes that argument null and void, you know?

As for the 'more added every expansion' in BFA we had four, two of whom are nameless NPCs on the airship in Arathi Basin. Void Elf presence in BFA already outstrips High Elf.

There is also one who belongs to one of the NPC groups in the island expeditions. Can't remember them all off the top of my head, though. The point is: more and more keep appearing.

[Obelisk Kai]

But the people who want to play high elves not only don't want to play Horde, but they don't want to play blood elves. It's this little thing that you don't seem to comprehend or are ignoring.

I completely get the desire, I just don't think it's relevant. If you don't want to play Horde that is your choice, but by doing so you should preclude yourself from playing a Horde race. As Blood Elves are. The faction wall exists for a reason.

No. No, they are not. Now you're being willfully dishonest if you think so.

Yes, they are. Blood Elves ARE High Elves. Chris Metzen has said it. Ion Hazzikostas said it on two occasions. Every fact in the game supports this truth. Alliance High Elves are identical in every single way except political ideology.

So basically any "non-allied" race is a "core" race, no matter if they were added to the Horde, say, two days ago?

If listed as a core race, yes. Happily though, Blood Elves weren't added two days ago. They were added twelve years ago. I think twelve years is more than sufficient time for a group to become a core part of the Horde, if time is judged to be a factor.

... All the races were "neutral" before joining either faction, either through diplomacy or a "common enemy". Also, I don't think the pandaren were a mistake.

Yeah and those races aren't playable if they don't join a faction so they aren't relevant points of comparison. And Pandaren weren't a mistake, maybe I misspoke. But the concept of a neutral race was. It was an experiment which failed despite having every advantage, including introducing a much requested race as neutral with a storyline underlining and emphasising that neutrality and a theme revolving around balance and harmony. Making a race like Blood Elves, who are High Elves lest we forget, de facto neutral after twelve years of them being a core Horde race is fundamentally unfair to the Horde and unfair to Blood Elf players.

.Blood elves joined the Horde. The high elves who refused to follow Kael'Thas did not join the Horde. Small but very important bit of information.

The vast majority of thalassian elves joined the Horde. As stated multiple times by Blizzard, they are High Elves with the right to define what it means to be a playable High Elf in WoW (which happens to be as a Horde Blood Elf). The tiny group of Alliance loyal thalassian elves who are thematically, biologically and culturally identical to the Blood Elves should not have the right to redefine what it means to be a High Elf because they kept an adjective. Keeping them as NPCs and story tools maintains that.

"Void elves" makes that argument null and void, you know?

As a Horde player in Zuldazar during an Alliance attack I saw Magister Umbric converting Ravasaurs into Void Ravasaurs. At that point I figured anyone who objected to the idea Void Elves could turn other Elves into Void Elves was simply rejecting the idea because of the consequences of accepting it. That if the Void Elves can make other Void Elves, the population argument used against Alliance High Elves no longer applies to the Void Elves, who can increase their numbers from Alliance High Elves and disaffected Blood Elves. Now that I see they can do that to Ravasaurs, and giving the heavy implications elsewhere in the game that they do this to those Elves who come to study the Void, I now believe that Void Elves CAN make other Void Elves. Alliance High Elves cannot replenish their numbers. Void Elves almost certainly can.

There is also one who belongs to one of the NPC groups in the island expeditions. Can't remember them all off the top of my head, though. The point is: more and more keep appearing.

I counted him as one of the four. Him, the portal keeper, and two High Elves on the airship. Four. Compare that to the number of Void Elves. If in game representation matters, there are already more Void Elves than Alliance High Elves.

Which actually feeds into my previous point.

[Strippling]

I don't think Blood Elves are a "core" Horde race, since they weren't available at the game's inception. By that logic, every single race added to the Horde becomes a "core" Horde race.

Arguably, they [high elfs] are. They've been part of the Human Alliance's units since Warcraft 2.


They haven't. Not all of them, at least. The Silver Covenant still stands with the Alliance. We also have several Alliance high elves around in the game, and more are added each expansion.

Contradiction much? Blood elfs aren't are core Horde race cause they weren't available at WoW's inception (despite being playable for over a decade)....yet high elfs are a core Alliance race cause a very few small number of them are allies (despite not being playable to this day) and were playable in WCII despite then becoming blood elfs in WCIII. Head canon much?

On top of that, we know that the high elfs allegiance to the Alliance was one of convenience and any time there was no need for an allegiance the high elfs withdrew from the "Alliance" so to speak. The only high elfs to really have a real connection (ie bond) with the Alliance are those intimately connected to them (such as through marriage) and their immediate associates. This includes Vareesa, Alleria and their small group of followers. So I'm sorry but no, the high elfs have not been a core part of the Alliance, but rather of group of associates who allied due to convenience, and a very small group of these high elfs chose to show loyalty to the Alliance. The remaining majority of high elfs came to be known as blood elfs and have since become a core (yes that's right, core) part of the Horde. I would deem any race that is playable to be "core". It's kind of a joke that you think a playable Horde race is less core than a non-playable race fickly allied to the Alliance.

Even the SC, they are more associated with dalaran, Vareesa and Jaina, the latter two who just so happen to be associated with the alliance. So I guess you could say that the SC are a friend of a friend to the Alliance... real "core" hey?

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You have yet to give me one discussion or topic or whatever you would like to call it that developers encourage people to keep talking about and hasn't been delivered on.

Pay attention to the bold. Re-read it numerous times.

If it's just players discussing or talking about something or whatever without developer encouragement it doesn't count.

I'll leave it at this.

When I read your posts I feel like I'm listening to a child throw a tantrum. You should read through your post/response history... it may enlighten you to how childish you can be.

In response to your question about "discussions" (in which I don't even think you know what you're asking)... I think you're going overboard with Alex's comment to the void elf customiztions. He was responding to a question and effectively said "sure, give feedback just be respectful". At no time have Blizz gone out of their way to encourage the community to discuss this topic. No, they have only simply replied to a question and said "sure keep discussing"

Now on to the latter part of Alex's reply "be respectful"... it seems you've either forgotten he said this or you choose to ignore it. But until you learn to respect others and their opinions.... then don't expect your requests to be taken serious. Simple. As. That.