Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[Ielenia]

Again, it is, it's just not one you or the HE crowd agrees with.

It's not a compromise if it's not accepted by both parties. A compromise is, by definition, a middle ground. Void elves are not a middle ground.

Sooo as @Strippling has been saying it's not "just about the lore" as you've been parroting, it's also the choice of color palette. If it was purely about the lore then nothing would change if VE customization was added to reflect the looks of HEs, as that's not what people are upset about.

Go educate yourself on the the definition of the word "compromise". I offered a couple links a few posts back that may be useful to you.

No one's made that claim

Not with those exact words. But the pro-high-elf community surely is treated as if they're one hive mind, from what I've seen around here, which you perfectly illustrate in that same paragraph:

however the point is that the HE crowd is after the HE/BE model and color palette, moreso than the "lore" reasons as you would have us believe.

Which is so horrendously and blatantly false. Funny here, you claim "no one is making the claim that they're a hive mind", but here you are, treating the high-elf community as "hive-mind" because there are those who accept the idea that they'll never get the lore of the high elves and are willing to COMPROMISE with just a skin option.

[FlubberPuddy]

Do you Quel'dorei fans just want to look like a fair-haired and blue-eyed elf, or do you actually seek to play as an actual member of a Quel'dorei faction, with appropriate abilities, armor, and mount? Because if it's the former, Blizzard can just give light skin customizations to the Ren'dorei, No?

Is it truly hard to grasp that "Quel'dorei fans" are a diverse group and not one hive mind of some sort? This isn't snark, I'm asking genuinely of you.

Just like how there are fans of WoW in general that would like for it to go back to Classic, or wish that flying was immediately available by gold purchase and not pathfinder unlocks, there are also those that love current WoW and enjoy pathfinder unlocks.

Same thing here, some "Quel'dorei fans" are the former and some are the latter. There could even be some "Quel'dorei fans" who may have originally wanted High Elves for a long time, but with the release of Void Elves are perfectly content with em.

There isn't one group of fans, people should stop treating it like so.

I would say for the purposes of this thread, it was designed with the intent of gaining High Elves as a playable Alliance Allied Race with racial abilities, armor, mount.

The talk about High Elf customization added to Void Elves is because Afrasiabi at Blizzcon 2018 said in an interview that High Elf fantasy could potentially be realized through extra added Void Elf customization.

Thus now, some people think, "okay, if they unambiguously are NEVER going to let us play High Elves then I can settle for some High Elf skins on Void Elves."

And thus another sub-group of people are born within the larger "Quel'dorei fans" group. And with every pro-group there's typically an against-group so some people don't like the High Elf customization on Void Elves idea.

I'm speaking in general here: If this post about "Quel'dorei fan" subgroups is hard to understand for anyone then think about it like this -

- Tons of people love the Allied Races feature
- Within the group that loves AR feature, people argue over which race should become an AR.

That's literally it. If you (general you) can understand the two above points, you should be able to understand why any one group isn't a hive-mind and that people are individuals with their own opinions and desires.

[Varodoc]

Is it truly hard to grasp that "Quel'dorei fans" are a diverse group and not one hive mind of some sort? This isn't snark, I'm asking genuinely of you.

Back at you, Is it truly hard to grasp that the Sin'dorei are Quel'dorei? Your arrogant attitude, that's why your minority will always be the laughing stock of the forums.

[Aldo Hawk]

Pandaren was a failure of implementation ... not of the idea of neutral races. The fact you cannot separate your opinion from what is said is sad.

They feel they wrote themselves into a corner with Pandaren because there isn't really much you can do with them because of how they chose to tell that story. It is clear they can make distinctions now because Void Elves are still Blood Elves who are still High Elves ... we treat them as different races, but it is pretty certain they are all just a single race (Lor'themar respects High Elves, but loathes Blood Elves; many high elves distrust Blood elves and that distrust could go to Void Elves, but Void Elves still see themselves as part of the same race as the two former. In Lore, a Void Elf don't see themselves as "different" the other children of Quel'thalas).

The rest is either a red herring on your part (a distraction from the actual discussion) or just you repeating your opinion on the facts as if it was a fact.

That idea also darkens when the period from pandaria to BfA is taken into consideration.

We got a race and a class in MoP, then in WoD we got a visual rework for the playable races, in Legion we got a new class and in BfA we got this new playable character system which we don't truly know it's limits or requirements.

So, from Mop to BfA we got two expansions without new races, and that was not the case before MoP, and now in BfA we got a new system for playable races.

What's the future? nobody knows, but what is certain is that suggesting that you can know what's gonna happen by a pair of comments from certain people time ago is dumb.

[FlubberPuddy]

Back at you, Is it truly hard to grasp that the Sin'dorei are Quel'dorei? Your arrogant attitude, that's why your minority will always be the laughing stock of the forums.

You quote me, where I said it's not snark and I made a post explaining in detail what I mean and you shoot right back with a snarky post. If you're here to take jabs then that's pretty fail.

If Sin'dorei are Quel'dorei then Ren'dorei are Sin'dorei are Quel'dorei and thus we shouldn't even have Void Elves. That's how stupid the logic is.

[Aldo Hawk]

Go educate yourself on the the definition of the word "compromise". I offered a couple links a few posts back that may be useful to you.

It's no use, as soon as he claims that we are just plainly lying while ignoring what had has been discussed over time you can just grasp two things.

He is an argumentative warrior who just enjoys to be antagonistic and his ego needs to be feed on.

And you can't come to any ground with him as soon as the context is constantly being broken or put apart.

Just don't bother yourself.

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Back at you, Is it truly hard to grasp that the Sin'dorei are Quel'dorei? Your arrogant attitude, that's why your minority will always be the laughing stock of the forums.

This is why you came in here? to be another antagonistic douche?

[Varodoc]

This is why you came in here? to be another antagonistic douche?

> Says that they aren't antagonistic
> Calls me a douche

Typical Quel'dorei fanboys, it's best to abandon logic with you. By the way, I see that your main is a Sin'dorei, good, you have accepted the truth that they are the same.

[Aldo Hawk]

> Says that they aren't antagonistic
> Calls me a douche

Typical Quel'dorei fanboys, it's best to abandon logic with you. By the way, I see that your main is a Sin'dorei, good, you have accepted the truth that they are the same.

What i said, you are here just to be antagonistic xd


And yes, my main is a sin'dorei, i love it and i would not want it to be a quel'dorei, and if quel'dorei were playable you would hardly see me playing one, i'm still deciding what alliance character to make to get alliance things since the new pair of mounts (alliance wolf and horde horse) because i don't like to play anything but horde but i can't get things only available on alliance.

And yes, you behaved like a douche, you didn't lasted more than two posts until starting drama for a personal minor issue.

[Varodoc]

What i said, you are here just to be antagonistic xd


And yes, my main is a sin'dorei, i love it and i would not want it to be a quel'dorei, and if quel'dorei were playable you would hardly see me playing one, i'm still deciding what alliance character to make to get alliance things since the new pair of mounts (alliance wolf and horde horse) because i don't like to play anything but horde but i can't get things only available on alliance.

And yes, you behaved like a douche, you didn't lasted more than two posts until starting drama for a personal minor issue.

I didn't start any drama, if anything it is me who was attacked by an extremely disrespectful dude who had to berate me because apparently I sinned when I dared to lump all the fans of this race into a single category. Becuase you people are special, so we cannot lump all of you into a single subgroup, no, we have to differentiate for you people.

[Aldo Hawk]

I didn't start any drama, if anything it is me who was attacked by an extremely disrespectful dude who had to berate me because apparently I sinned when I dared to lump all the fans of this race into a single category. Becuase you people are special, so we cannot lump all of you into a single subgroup, no, we have to differentiate for you people.

You know, when there are tons of people simply grouping us and spouting bullshit some things have to be made clear.

People who want high elves are not a party of any sort, simple as that.

Some accept High elf like on Void elves, some don't, some accepts a different model for High elves, some don't, etc...

Also the initial response you got wasn't charged with bad will or anything and you just answered in an aggressive way, you created a drama where there was none of it.

[Ielenia]

And again.. you're operating on the notion that blizzard has to discuss the terms of the compromise.

No, I don't. Because Blizzard is not claiming the "void elves" are a compromise. The anti-high-elf group is. And even so, a "compromise", even if the decision that lead to this "compromise" was one-sided, it has to grant both sides at least a portion of what they asked for.

Void elves do not offer the high elf community anything that they asked for.

The many you refer to on top of the group outright asking for it, to me sounds like a sizeable portion if not a majority.

No. It's not. I'm referring to those in the pro-high-elf group who want the lore of the high elves, but are willing to compromise if Blizzard is not budging in regards of the lore.

Get your facts straight.

Don't blame me for your inability to keep track of what you said just yesterday.

I blame you for your inability to read and comprehend.

And another note, it was you that brought up this Hive Mind argument.

Oh, don't act so ignorant. You know full well I just called out an ongoing issue here. Strippling and Obelisk Kai are two of the most glaring examples of that, as they apparently cannot fathom that part of the community is willing to compromise with a fair-skinned customization option for void elves if Blizzard is not budging in regards to lore:

Strippling (1): I'm confused at the fact that pro high elfers are so fixated on having "the real high elfs on the alliance" becoming playable, and dismissing the fact that blood elfs (who are high elfs) are already playable, yet in the same breath the pro high elfers seem to be okay with void elfs having lighter customization options... which goes against what they've been trying to "claim" this whole time.

Strippling (2): Claims it's all about the lore, then in same breath says they'll settle for the aesthetic.... just...lol. You don't need to hide your hidden agenda anymore, it's quite clear it was always about the aesthetics.

Obelist Kai: An excellent summation of the hypocrisy some of the pro High Elfers are demonstrating when it comes to the possibility of 'High Elf like' customization for Void Elves. After all, a high elf like Void Elf is still a Void Elf, and anyone who supports this implicitly admits they are after the Blood Elf aesthetic and the lore is just a lie they tell because trying to get that aesthetic makes you look ridiculously shallow.

Because it's apparently "all or nothing" for those guys, for some reason. I don't know why part of the community being willing to compromise with just the fair-skin option is somehow so abhorrent an idea for them to even consider plausible.

[FlubberPuddy]

Also the initial response you got wasn't charged with bad will or anything and you just answered in an aggressive way, you created a drama where there was none of it.

I actually think it’s quite bonkers there’s people on the internet who can’t acknowledge or understand that fans of anything aren’t a hive mind.

It’s truly as simple as how there’s varying opinions on the direction of the game, even though we all play WoW.

Either way, it says more about the person themselves for not getting that. Either someone’s being intentionally obtuse just to start shit or they truly do not understand something so simple. In both cases, that’s pretty sad.

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Because it's apparently "all or nothing" for those guys, for some reason. I don't know why part of the community being willing to compromise with just the fair-skin option is somehow so abhorrent an idea for them to even consider plausible.

This can be proved for Obelisk cuz he’s publicly said as much, but not for Strippling since he hasn’t stated it outright. Or maybe he did, idk I don’t keep track of every single post. Anyways,

My hunch is that because deep down they already hate the fact that the Thalassian model even went to the Alliance, even though clearly it hasn’t satisfied the High Elf fans, or at least the majority of High Elf fans that wanted the likes of Vereesa and Silver Covenant.

But being that it’s already said and done, they can at least relish in the fact High Elf fans in general didn’t get what they want.

Now this possible inclusion of High Elf fantasy threatens that, even if it is just a few skins tacked onto Void Elves. Because there’s people who already didn’t even want to give so much as an inch in the first place, but Blizzard already did more than that.

So they have to create a false narrative to make it look like High Elf fans in general are being hypocrites.

Even though as Yzak keeps stating, we don’t have a say in the matter at all, so none of this discussion should matter at all to Blizzard anyway right?

Yet some people treat it as such, regardless. And btw by virtue of having no input means there is no compromise made. Blizzard doesn’t speak of Void Elves being a compromise and as pointed out have made the total decision themselves without input from the other party (High Elf fans).

So I agree with you on the compromise bit.

Anyone who thinks it’s a compromise because of some unsaid words or circumstances “oh they obviously picked Void Elves because of High Elfers”. Bring some proof, either they listen to our input or we have no say. Can’t have it both ways.

[Aldo Hawk]

I actually think it’s quite bonkers there’s people on the internet who can’t acknowledge or understand that fans of anything aren’t a hive mind.

It’s truly as simple as how there’s varying opinions on the direction of the game, even though we all play WoW.

Either way, it says more about the person themselves for not getting that. Either someone’s being intentionally obtuse just to start shit or they truly do not understand something so simple. In both cases, that’s pretty sad.

Well, i understand that it's easier to grasp when you have everything compressed in simple concepts. But simple concepts do not make justice for reality, just saying.

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This can be proved for Obelisk cuz he’s publicly said as much, but not for Strippling since he hasn’t stated it outright. Or maybe he did, idk I don’t keep track of every single post. Anyways,

My hunch is that because deep down they already hate the fact that the Thalassian model even went to the Alliance, even though clearly it hasn’t satisfied the High Elf fans, or at least the majority of High Elf fans that wanted the likes of Vereesa and Silver Covenant.

The thing here is that they want to preserve this idea of factions being race-exclusive, but it take out the fact that some races are members of both factions, and high elves are a special case in all this.

But being that it’s already said and done, they can at least relish in the fact High Elf fans in general didn’t get what they want.

Obelisk outright stated that High elf requests had been already delivered through Ren'dorei, which is not true by any means because from the simplest pebble of information about what a Ren'dorei is you just have this concept of Ren'dorei being Sin'dorei who got exiled by researching about the void, transformed by the void trap of an Ethereal that got interrupted just on time by Alleria Windrunner and turned their backs on their people to join the Alliance.

So yes, there are people stating that "they got what they wanted but they want more", it's shameless as it gets.

Now this possible inclusion of High Elf fantasy threatens that, even if it is just a few skins tacked onto Void Elves. Because there’s people who already didn’t even want to give so much as an inch in the first place, but Blizzard already did more than that.

So they have to create a false narrative to make it look like High Elf fans in general are being hypocrites.

While i don't agree that High elf customization in Void elves is by any means acceptable it's easy to understand why some people are open to that, this shit got too long and too heated, most of the people who want playable quel'dorei don't even post anymore, it may seem as a clear compromise for those who just want this to end.

Even though as Yzak keeps stating, we don’t have a say in the matter at all, so none of this discussion should matter at all to Blizzard anyway right?

Well, i'm not a guy who often do this because i like to have all points of view available to contrast and make for a good argumentation, but i suggest to do the same as i did. It's no use when someone is just so openly antagonistic for the sake of it.

Yet some people treat it as such, regardless. And btw by virtue of having no input means there is no compromise made. Blizzard doesn’t speak of Void Elves being a compromise and as pointed out have made the total decision themselves without input from the other party (High Elf fans).

So I agree with you on the compromise bit.

That's the thing, no one even said in the first place that Void elves were a compromise, the nearest thing that can be grasped about that is one dev nodding when asked about Void elves being some sort of a high elf fantasy, which tells -nothing- about that.

Anyone who thinks it’s a compromise because of some unsaid words or circumstances “oh they obviously picked Void Elves because of High Elfers”. Bring some proof, either they listen to our input or we have no say. Can’t have it both ways.

It's believed to be a compromise because Ren'dorei are a kind of high elf, it just happens to be -anything- but a high elf when looking at it.

[Ielenia]

You seem to think that as players and how things are ran at Blizzard that we; as players, have a chair on the creative table and therefore need to be compromised with

No, I don't, and I've already said I don't. I don't know why you insist on that.

And my statement was that if they are willing to settle for something completely unrelated to their request; that you are claiming is lore, then it really wasn't the lore

Most, and I'm willing the bet, the vast majority of the pro-high-elf want high elves because of their lore. That's what they want. However. If Blizzard is not budging in the lore request, then a fair-skin customization option is a compromise many of those pro-high-elf are willing to accept.

To say that because those who are willing to accept this compromise means that lore was never the reason why they wanted high elves in the first place is... absurd. It's like saying a kid who asked his parents for chocolate cake never wanted chocolate cake in the first place, because when his parents said they would only offer carrot cake, the kid accepted the alternative.

[Trumpcat]

Tell them what you'd like to see, specifically, and I think we'll get more customizations!

You are either mocking me or naive or a Blizzard information gatherer!

[Obelisk Kai]

Hello there.

And goodbye again it seems.

You just don't want to take it and try to mislead a bit more. It's easy to understand. There are more lore of other franchises with less diversity than in warcraft and it didn't made them bad lore. What's important in any faction based lore are the factions, not the races per se.

Other games and other franchises are irrelevant to this discussion. Particularly as nobody is going to remember the whosits and the whatsits from Wildstar or Allods Online or any other game that aped WoW. The Alliance and Horde are iconic in gaming and Blizzard has a long term obligation to protect those IPs.

Nah, you made it clear, they say something and it becomes an immovable fact. Which is not true.

No, that's not what I said. I very clearly stated what they say is absolute until they themselves change it and then when they change it, then that becomes absolute. In the same way as the Eredar corrupting Sargeras was word of god until the Draenei were revealed and it turned out it was in fact the other way around. Until we knew of the retcon, anyone who said the Eredar corrupted Sargeas were 100% correct, relying on absolute word of god. And once the retcon was known, anyone who claimed that wa 100% wrong.

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Pandaren was a failure of implementation ... not of the idea of neutral races. The fact you cannot separate your opinion from what is said is sad.

They feel they wrote themselves into a corner with Pandaren because there isn't really much you can do with them because of how they chose to tell that story. It is clear they can make distinctions now because Void Elves are still Blood Elves who are still High Elves ... we treat them as different races, but it is pretty certain they are all just a single race (Lor'themar respects High Elves, but loathes Void Elves; many high elves distrust Blood elves and that distrust could go to Void Elves, but Void Elves still see themselves as part of the same race as the two former. In Lore, a Void Elf don't see themselves as "different" the other children of Quel'thalas).

The rest is either a red herring on your part (a distraction from the actual discussion) or just you repeating your opinion on the facts as if it was a fact.

Once again, you have stated your belief that Pandaren were a failure of implementation. Yet you have provided no evidence to support this fact beyond stating an opinion as if it was fact, something you are accusing me of. That last part is of course a lie.

To support my assertion that they failed as neutrality undermined faction distinctiveness, I offered the following information.

1.) Ghostcrawler's tweet explaining that they weren't fans of sharing the Pandaren between the two factions when he was still with Blizzard as a senior developer.

2.) My brief conversation with a post Blizzard Ghostcrawler several years later where I specifically asked about High Elves, and his response was "What is more important: faction identity or more options for Alliance?"

3.) The two times Ion Hazzikostas was asked in public as to why Void Elves were chosen over Alliance High Elves and he cited faction diversity as the reason.

4.) The existence of the Allied race system itself, whose upsides outmatched the similar upsides of a neutral race (specifically in terms of time and money saved through the repurposing of existing rigs and the fact they don't have to build newbie gardens), leaving the idea of a neutral race with only the downsides of damaging faction diversity.

5.) The avoidance of any neutral or shared races since. If faction distinctiveness were, as you seem to be claiming, not an important factor, then Blizzard would not have created Void Elves in the first place and would have created Alliance High Elves.

Taken together we have plentiful evidence to suggest that preserving faction distinctiveness is an important part of Blizzard's design philosophy. Saying the original tweet was just the opinion of an ex-employee does not explain why all these years later the current developer team seems to be still operating in agreement with it.

And in closing, Void Elves are not evidence High Elves could get the same treatment. If High Elves were perceived to be as different as Void Elves are, then Void Elves would not have been created. It has been said by the devs that Blood Elves ARE High Elves, whereas as Ion said in the Jessie Cox interview in 2017 that Void Elves are another flavour of High Elves. In other words, Blood Elves and High Elves are both vanilla ice cream, Void Elves are ice cream but blueberry.

There is a distinction with one that can be realised through an allied race system. The distinction between Blood Elves and Alliance High Elves cannot, as it is literally a difference of opinion. As Alliance High Elves are identical to Blood Elves, an Alliance High Elf Allied race undermines the identity of the Blood Elves and therefore the integrity of the Horde faction by diluting faction distinctiveness. Less talked about is that they would also now undermine the role of Void Elves as THE thalassian elves of the Alliance and the true foil to the light based Blood Elves. The potential impact on the Void Elves threatens to be as profound as the potential impact on the Blood Elves.

[Darththeo]

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1) The tweet was in response to how Pandaren for both factions "worked out" ... that's asking about how he felt about their implementation specifically. It wasn't the concept of Neutral races.

2) Ghostcrawler's opinion on WoW after he left has zero more value than yours or mine. I don't care what he told you post Blizzard as it is meaningless to me.

3) The reason for High Elves, not neutral races. We aren't talking about why High elves weren't chosen, while it is a valid point to show neutral races are unlikely, it does not remotely suggest that they are ruled out.

4) Red Herring. This is literally a non-issue when discussing neutral races. Stop bringing it up like it has any validity, it doesn't.

5) The last time we got a new race before BfA was MoP. We had nothing else to go on right now, this entire point is pure speculation on your part.

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Faction identity doesn't have to be determined by what races are playable on what side, so long as the identity is there they can meet it. You are treating your speculation and the opinion of a now non-employee as fact, when it is not. Neutral races are still a possibility and while they may not happen in BfA given they are stating this is the "END OF THE FACTION CONFLICT" as a main story focus, or even potentially an end to the faction conflict background noise ... it is likely the idea of the factions and their identity will be evolving post-BfA.

[Obelisk Kai]

1) The tweet was in response to how Pandaren for both factions "worked out" ... that's asking about how he felt about their implementation specifically. It wasn't the concept of Neutral races.

2) Ghostcrawler's opinion on WoW after he left has zero more value than yours or mine. I don't care what he told you post Blizzard as it is meaningless to me.

The later comment was a clarification on the earlier tweet as it pertained to High Elves. Faction diversity was cited as a negative. He wrote the original tweet so I would argue he is allowed to add a bit of texture.

3) The reason for High Elves, not neutral races. We aren't talking about why High elves weren't chosen, while it is a valid point to show neutral races are unlikely, it does not remotely suggest that they are ruled out.

Future neutral races come with the same baggage as Pandaren, sharing something between the Alliance and the Horde that diminishes the distinctiveness of each and they are clearly not keen on doing that again given the failure of the Pandaren experiment. Alliance High Elves are several orders of magnitude more damaging of course as they are a duplication a race that has been a part of the Horde for over a decade.

4) Red Herring. This is literally a non-issue when discussing neutral races. Stop bringing it up like it has any validity, it doesn't.

That the Allied race system allows Blizzard some of the positives offered by neutral races without the clear, and stated downsides is a pertinent point. Calling it a red herring is an attempt by yourself not to engage with the obvious.

5) The last time we got a new race before BfA was MoP. We had nothing else to go on right now, this entire point is pure speculation on your part.

In the seven and a half years since MOP debuted, how many neutral races have been added as a testament to the success of the idea?

Of the eight Allied races added in BFA, how many are neutral?

A big fat zero in both cases.

You keep claiming that neutral races are still a viable choice, yet every opportunity presented to Blizzard to either affirm the viability of neutral races or actually add one has been rejected. They are indeed a choice, just not a viable one. And the Allied race system is a far more elegant solution to one of the problems that led them to try a neutral race out, the huge effort involved in creating two brand new races at the same time.

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Faction identity doesn't have to be determined by what races are playable on what side, so long as the identity is there they can meet it. You are treating your speculation and the opinion of a now non-employee as fact, when it is not. Neutral races are still a possibility and while they may not happen in BfA given they are stating this is the "END OF THE FACTION CONFLICT" as a main story focus, or even potentially an end to the faction conflict background noise ... it is likely the idea of the factions and their identity will be evolving post-BfA.

World of Warcraft has built it's faction's identity precisely on the races that comprise those factions. Sure, they didn't have to but they did. And they reinforce time after time how important it is to maintain the distinction of those factions by keeping the racial rosters diverse, again Ion's comments regarding why Alliance High Elves aren't a thing. The future of BFA and the franchise is also unknown, it could evolve the way you say, but that is one of those unknowables I have warned about. You can't use the unknowable as a counter-argument.

[Grythletubs]

Quel'Dorei reign supreme! Well sort of.

Love that this thread is still going! I check back every month. My hopes are there for the future & keep up with the positivity guys.

The more attention the high elves get, the more likely they'll be addressed in the future whether it's a yes or a no

[FlubberPuddy]

Well, i understand that it's easier to grasp when you have everything compressed in simple concepts. But simple concepts do not make justice for reality, just saying.

Yes I agree there is a nuance to the situation. But people are coming in here and painting the situation with broad brush strokes which doesn't help at all. I assume everyone posting here are adults and have understood what words like context mean and are able to understand conversations within the context of a situation.

I of course could be setting my standards too high.

The thing here is that they want to preserve this idea of factions being race-exclusive, but it take out the fact that some races are members of both factions, and high elves are a special case in all this.

Exactly, there is no other race like the High Elves in the Alliance. Horde has no equivalent, but maybe that's why most of the staunch opponents are Horde players and partly why they can't make that connection. It isn't hard for newcomer Alliance players to see how prolific High Elves are on their side. I myself not having played Warcraft and coming in at the tail-end of Wrath. That was enough for it to pique my curiosity and wiki-up High Elves and their position in the Alliance.

Obelisk outright stated that High elf requests had been already delivered through Ren'dorei, which is not true by any means because from the simplest pebble of information about what a Ren'dorei is you just have this concept of Ren'dorei being Sin'dorei who got exiled by researching about the void, transformed by the void trap of an Ethereal that got interrupted just on time by Alleria Windrunner and turned their backs on their people to join the Alliance.

So yes, there are people stating that "they got what they wanted but they want more", it's shameless as it gets.

That's because their focus has always been the model appearance, it's their views of how they took the High Elf requests for years before Legion. They came to an unfounded conclusion without consulting those who were making the requests for years, and then making their own decision on why these fans wanted High Elves in the first place.

Which is sad when you think about it, he's gone on record to say how he's followed the conversation topic of High Elf request for years but he's apparently not started a dialogue with them to understand more. Instead trying to do similar to some other posters and paint the topic in a certain way that seems more shallow than not - even though the ones coming in here and saying sorts like, "you just want Blood Elves on Alliance" are the ones being shallow.

While i don't agree that High elf customization in Void elves is by any means acceptable it's easy to understand why some people are open to that, this shit got too long and too heated, most of the people who want playable quel'dorei don't even post anymore, it may seem as a clear compromise for those who just want this to end.

Exactly, I don't agree with having it that way either, but if Blizzard isn't going to go any other way about it and this is the only way they'll grant High Elf fans something then it's easy to see why people would support it or be open to supporting it.

Well, i'm not a guy who often do this because i like to have all points of view available to contrast and make for a good argumentation, but i suggest to do the same as i did. It's no use when someone is just so openly antagonistic for the sake of it.

Yeah I'm just going to avoid from the future onwards if a poster appears and says something basic without having read up on the recent bits of conversation. The information is posted online for a reason, they can search it up themselves.

That's the thing, no one even said in the first place that Void elves were a compromise, the nearest thing that can be grasped about that is one dev nodding when asked about Void elves being some sort of a high elf fantasy, which tells -nothing- about that.

It's a player-made opinion but it's getting thrown around by some as if it's a statement Blizzard made themselves. Again, this just speaks more about those who try to pass off opinion as fact.

It's believed to be a compromise because Ren'dorei are a kind of high elf, it just happens to be -anything- but a high elf when looking at it.

Blizzard should monkey-paw a very requested race for Horde side so these players could then understand where High Elf fans are coming from in regards to Void Elves. Because it doesn't seem like some of these players have the capacity to understand someone else's situation without being in it themselves.