Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[matrix123mko]

First of all i doubt you guys would be happy with nightfallen like helves.

Secondly, helves coping with magical withdrawal has been touched upon already and hasn't caused them any drastic changes. Those that submit to their withdrawal turn into the wretch and those with strong will power remain the same.

Though if im not mistaken the restoration of the sunwell has cured both helves and belves alike.

I rather thought about something like "due to magical addiction, high elves had to develop physical and mental discipline to survive, which led them to being more athletic". That said, I prefer playing my Horde blood elves.

[Varx]

I rather thought about something like "due to magical addiction, high elves had to develop physical and mental discipline to survive, which led them to being more athletic". That said, I prefer playing my Horde blood elves.

But thats exactly what new belf players deal with in eversong woods. Having strong will power and self discipline to prevent themselves from turning into the wretch.

Also belves already have pretty athletic builds right now. Anymore and they would look roided out.

[FlubberPuddy]

So how could blizzard possibly justify some reason to give helves a new rig/skin.

Unless something happens to the helf population in the future but then they wouldn't be helves anymore.

I mean people still blood Elves High Elves, so the part about “if something happens to helves they wouldn’t be helves anymore” doesn’t ring true if it doesn’t ring true for blood Elves, Void Elves, orcs, Tauren, etc.

Anyways and to the first point, the meat and potatoes of it is that Blizzard doesn’t have to justify anything. It’s their game, they can do whatever they want with it. You can clearly see this with the “something new and cool” Void Elves, who just poofed into existence.

All this discussion that’s occurring between us players is simply one side trying to the show the other it can be done.

Just saying, “no. No it can’t. No it wouldn’t” does nothing because none of us work on the game.

We could simply not have a discussion and just have one side going “yeah we want them” and the other going “you can’t have them” but that’s not conducive to having an actual discussion on it.

For instance, one of the things I see often from the opposers is, “all these customizations would just go to Blood Elves” but I have never seen anyone able to justify it in regards to the reality we live in that other Allied Race customization has not gone to their parent races.

Even Obelisk finally had to throw in the towel in that regard.

And just not based off that fact, someone has to have incredibly out of touch with realty if they believe all this canary and ideas players are creating for High Elves is going to be used to Blood Elves.

That’s the worst thing Blizzard could do PR wise and that’s not going to fly at all. Regardless of how full the internet is of internet trolls, they’re still the minority when it comes to level-headed people. Just most level-headed people don’t post.

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But thats exactly what new belf players deal with in eversong woods. Having strong will power and self discipline to prevent themselves from turning into the wretch.

Also belves already have pretty athletic builds right now. Anymore and they would look roided out.

They will themselves against over feeding on magic, not their dependency for it. Especially still relying heavily on the Sunwell by forcing a Naaru to give it’s Light. High Elves straight up had to deal with their magical withdrawal subsisting on trinkets and such, and some even completely forgo and don’t need to rely on any arcane at all. As evidenced by the Highvale Elves.

We don’t see this “naturalness” by any of the Blood Elves. Even the playable Hunter Blood Elves must also rely on learning how to feed their arcane hunger. Magic is a huge theme for Blood Elves. Whereas for High Elves it’s like 50/50.

Magic is so part of Blood Elves theme it’s one of the reasons Blood Elves and Nightborne are able to relate to each other.

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And Blood Elves may have pretty athletic builds but this game definitely needs more of them, especially for male characters. Night Elves, Nightborne, Blood Elves, those are all examples of athletic builds and they’re all distinct.

No reason there isn’t another variation that can be used by High Elves.

[TigTone]

Is there a thread with a poll with for or against high elves?

[Douglazz]

Both, but mostly for. The thing is high elf could be an allied race but Blizzard has already said that they WON'T make the High elf race playable. Blood elves are High elves and that's why, Still everyone wants them in game so maybe, just maybe they will rethink

[Varx]

I mean people still blood Elves High Elves, so the part about “if something happens to helves they wouldn’t be helves anymore” doesn’t ring true if it doesn’t ring true for blood Elves, Void Elves, orcs, Tauren, etc.

Anyways and to the first point, the meat and potatoes of it is that Blizzard doesn’t have to justify anything. It’s their game, they can do whatever they want with it. You can clearly see this with the “something new and cool” Void Elves, who just poofed into existence.

All this discussion that’s occurring between us players is simply one side trying to the show the other it can be done.

Just saying, “no. No it can’t. No it wouldn’t” does nothing because none of us work on the game.

We could simply not have a discussion and just have one side going “yeah we want them” and the other going “you can’t have them” but that’s not conducive to having an actual discussion on it.

For instance, one of the things I see often from the opposers is, “all these customizations would just go to Blood Elves” but I have never seen anyone able to justify it in regards to the reality we live in that other Allied Race customization has not gone to their parent races.

Even Obelisk finally had to throw in the towel in that regard.

And just not based off that fact, someone has to have incredibly out of touch with realty if they believe all this canary and ideas players are creating for High Elves is going to be used to Blood Elves.

That’s the worst thing Blizzard could do PR wise and that’s not going to fly at all. Regardless of how full the internet is of internet trolls, they’re still the minority when it comes to level-headed people. Just most level-headed people don’t post.

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They will themselves against over feeding on magic, not their dependency for it. Especially still relying heavily on the Sunwell by forcing a Naaru to give it’s Light. High Elves straight up had to deal with their magical withdrawal subsisting on trinkets and such, and some even completely forgo and don’t need to rely on any arcane at all. As evidenced by the Highvale Elves.

We don’t see this “naturalness” by any of the Blood Elves. Even the playable Hunter Blood Elves must also rely on learning how to feed their arcane hunger. Magic is a huge theme for Blood Elves. Whereas for High Elves it’s like 50/50.

Magic is so part of Blood Elves theme it’s one of the reasons Blood Elves and Nightborne are able to relate to each other.

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And Blood Elves may have pretty athletic builds but this game definitely needs more of them, especially for male characters. Night Elves, Nightborne, Blood Elves, those are all examples of athletic builds and they’re all distinct.

No reason there isn’t another variation that can be used by High Elves.

I mean people still blood Elves High Elves, so the part about “if something happens to helves they wouldn’t be helves anymore” doesn’t ring true if it doesn’t ring true for blood Elves, Void Elves, orcs, Tauren, etc.

Anyways and to the first point, the meat and potatoes of it is that Blizzard doesn’t have to justify anything. It’s their game, they can do whatever they want with it. You can clearly see this with the “something new and cool” Void Elves, who just poofed into existence.

All this discussion that’s occurring between us players is simply one side trying to the show the other it can be done.

Just saying, “no. No it can’t. No it wouldn’t” does nothing because none of us work on the game.

We could simply not have a discussion and just have one side going “yeah we want them” and the other going “you can’t have them” but that’s not conducive to having an actual discussion on it.

For instance, one of the things I see often from the opposers is, “all these customizations would just go to Blood Elves” but I have never seen anyone able to justify it in regards to the reality we live in that other Allied Race customization has not gone to their parent races.

Even Obelisk finally had to throw in the towel in that regard.

And just not based off that fact, someone has to have incredibly out of touch with realty if they believe all this canary and ideas players are creating for High Elves is going to be used to Blood Elves.

That’s the worst thing Blizzard could do PR wise and that’s not going to fly at all. Regardless of how full the internet is of internet trolls, they’re still the minority when it comes to level-headed people. Just most level-headed people don’t post.

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They will themselves against over feeding on magic, not their dependency for it. Especially still relying heavily on the Sunwell by forcing a Naaru to give it’s Light. High Elves straight up had to deal with their magical withdrawal subsisting on trinkets and such, and some even completely forgo and don’t need to rely on any arcane at all. As evidenced by the Highvale Elves.

We don’t see this “naturalness” by any of the Blood Elves. Even the playable Hunter Blood Elves must also rely on learning how to feed their arcane hunger. Magic is a huge theme for Blood Elves. Whereas for High Elves it’s like 50/50.

Magic is so part of Blood Elves theme it’s one of the reasons Blood Elves and Nightborne are able to relate to each other.

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And Blood Elves may have pretty athletic builds but this game definitely needs more of them, especially for male characters. Night Elves, Nightborne, Blood Elves, those are all examples of athletic builds and they’re all distinct.

No reason there isn’t another variation that can be used by High Elves.

I know i seem like it but I am not speaking with 100% certainty, I just go by based on what's already been given.

Sure blizzard can do whatever they want but you should make an educated guess based on what you know and not from wishful thinking.

Yes many of the hair and tattoos given to AR could have been given to core races and additional customization. However, each AR have differences that core races can't replicate. Hair and tattoos were in turn given to further suppliment the distinction between AR and parent races.

High elves do not have a drastic physical difference and do not have some crazy environmental difference like kt humans.

So based on all that, why would blizzard waste an AR slot on helves, just because of a very loud minority? I don't think so.

[FlubberPuddy]

I know i seem like it but I am not speaking with 100% certainty, I just go by based on what's already been given.

Sure blizzard can do whatever they want but you should make an educated guess based on what you know and not from wishful thinking.

That's exactly what posts like this one are doing. Look, Traycor even added what Ion said and we all worked around it. Blood Elves are majestic? Ok then High Elves can be themed around a lower class/less magical/woodsy/human type elves.

It's the opposing side that goes, "nope, that can't change. you can't change that. It's impossible." When we have multiple examples of what Blizzard has done with these Allied Races and not every single one of them has followed a set pattern.

Take Nightborne for example, they are considered the "Night Elf AR" and Blizzard didn't stick them to the same model like they did for HM Tauren, LF Draenei, Mag'har, or DI Dwarves.

This is just one example.

High elves do not have a drastic physical difference and do not have some crazy environmental difference like kt humans.

Blizzard took a "sea faring nation" and blew that up when they decided to make them the focus for an expansion and AR. Literally all years before then when they weren't a focus they had the exact same model as playable humans.

Blizzard didn't use lore to justify the model, we have actual responses from them stating they just wanted to add more variety to the world.

They did what they always do, fit the lore around what they add. They decided on Kul'Tirans being AR and then worked on how to differentiate them.

All this is based on what we know and developer commentary on KT.

All that Drust theory stuff is just headcanon player bias/perception without Blizzard even acknowledging it as true.

So based on all that, why would blizzard waste an AR slot on helves, just because of a very loud minority? I don't think so.

First, calling it "waste an AR slot" is subjective. A lot of people think LF Draenei and HM Tauren are a waste of an AR slot and could've been customization added to the base races. Blizzard still put them in as full-fledged Allied Races.

Second, Jeremy Feasel acknowledged High Elves as a "community favorite". Tell me how can something be a "community favorite" and also a minority? That makes no actual sense.

So based on all this, everything surrounding this discussion, the conclusion is it can be done. It is just up to Blizzard.

Just like how they CAN add Ogres, I don't see people going around shitting on that idea even though they haven't been given the time of day compared to this High Elf talk between Blizzard and High Elf fans.

But that we know they continue to be the most requested race, and there surprisingly hasn't been much let up on the topic around High Elves, it's not some definite set in stone "there will never be playable High Elves" like some players make it out to seem.

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Btw. Confirmation that Blizzard gave Alliance another Purple Elf.



Even Blizzard themselves dunk jokes on Void Elves.

[Aldo Hawk]

I know i seem like it but I am not speaking with 100% certainty, I just go by based on what's already been given.

Sure blizzard can do whatever they want but you should make an educated guess based on what you know and not from wishful thinking.

Yes many of the hair and tattoos given to AR could have been given to core races and additional customization. However, each AR have differences that core races can't replicate. Hair and tattoos were in turn given to further suppliment the distinction between AR and parent races.

High elves do not have a drastic physical difference and do not have some crazy environmental difference like kt humans.

So based on all that, why would blizzard waste an AR slot on helves, just because of a very loud minority? I don't think so.

I want my friggin beard, why my blood elf can't have it if void elves do? they are also thalassians so naturally my belf -should- have it's beard because void doesn't make beards grow amirite?

Seriously, you can't hold the idea that everything High elves could have should be on Blood elves and in same breath don't be someone who is demanding for Belves to have beards. Because beards are something Belves -do have- in lore, is not voidy hormones causing it.

Seriously guys, you are constantly grasping at straws just to justify snark behavior, rotten egoism, and a desire to be right in every little nonsense you say.

Luckily, artistic work is not that cubical, it's a shame that someone has to plainly say it...

[Strippling]

Also yes Strippling, you are in fact still the same race: a human. You’re getting confused with the word “ethnicity” which is what describes people being Asian or Mexican or whatever. But everyone of those guys, including you Strippling, is still part of the human race... that this had to be described plainly is just uh, yikes.

I admit I got my wording wrong... ethnicity seems to fit better so thank you for the correction. But the point still stands that night elfs and thalassian elfs are both elfs but different types of elfs. Blood elfs and high elfs however, are both thalassian elfs and are the exact same as each other in nearly every aspect.

Also, the bolded part was uncalled for. We can have differing opinions, but please leave out insults.... Please remember Alex's words "but please be respectful".

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You say Alliance High Elves do not meet Allied Race criteria, but what is Allied Race criteria?

"Allied races are, from a design point of view, alternate versions of the main races. They mostly use the skeleton of an existing race, but altered and with a different model. They also have their own racial abilities. Allied races get a full character kit including their own emotes, flirts, funnies, exertions, and so on.[1]"

For this quote to be valid for high elfs then high elfers must subsequently admit that "blood elfs are the main high elf group in WoW"... which is what me and @Obelisk Kai have been saying all along. Yet several high elfers have disputed this and respond with "blood elfs are not high elfs". So, for high elfs to "qualify" as an AR it would be recognition that blood elfs are the main group for the "high elf" race in WoW. Which is where the blurring of faction lines becomes an issue, given that there are next to no differences between blood elfs and high elfs, apart from political views and blue eyes (of which blood elfs could potentially have blue eyes too in the future). And like I said earlier, the woodland theme that high elf fans have been parading doesn't fit high elfs as a collective whole, given that the majority of alliance aligned high elfs (already being an extremely small group) live in Dalaran (a majestic and magical city). Where do blood elfs live?? In a majestic and magical city too... so there is very little between the two groups (mainly the only difference is one serves the Horde and the other serves the Kirin Tor and occasionally the Alliance). Highvale elfs are extremely small in number and do not represent the main group of alliance high elfs (the SC who live in a majestic magical city), so it'd make no sense to base the theme of high elfs around this small group who barely work with the alliance to begin with

[Traycor]

extremely small in number

Yet way way more than a "squad" of Void Elves. Likely a 1000 times more or even greater. The population number is now a null argument.

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Is there a thread with a poll with for or against high elves?

There have been several, but about a year ago there were so many high elf threads that they shut them all down to keep the discussion in this one place.

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I rather thought about something like "due to magical addiction, high elves had to develop physical and mental discipline to survive, which led them to being more athletic". That said, I prefer playing my Horde blood elves.

Back in BC, the blood elves had a more slender model than they have today. It also might be fun to see High Elves with something closer to that.

[FlubberPuddy]

For this quote to be valid for high elfs then high elfers must subsequently admit that "blood elfs are the main high elf group in WoW"... which is what me and @Obelisk Kai have been saying all along. Yet several high elfers have disputed this and respond with "blood elfs are not high elfs". So, for high elfs to "qualify" as an AR it would be recognition that blood elfs are the main group for the "high elf" race in WoW. Which is where the blurring of faction lines becomes an issue, given that there are next to no differences between blood elfs and high elfs, apart from political views and blue eyes (of which blood elfs could potentially have blue eyes too in the future). And like I said earlier, the woodland theme that high elf fans have been parading doesn't fit high elfs as a collective whole, given that the majority of alliance aligned high elfs (already being an extremely small group) live in Dalaran (a majestic and magical city). Where do blood elfs live?? In a majestic and magical city too... so there is very little between the two groups (mainly the only difference is one serves the Horde and the other serves the Kirin Tor and occasionally the Alliance). Highvale elfs are extremely small in number and do not represent the main group of alliance high elfs (the SC who live in a majestic magical city), so it'd make no sense to base the theme of high elfs around this small group who barely work with the alliance to begin with

Not all "high elfers" consider "High Elves the main elf group in WoW", I've always said that kind of dumb, the kind of talk disputing "the true high elves". It happens on both sides.

But about the main high elf group being Blood Elves, sure whatever. I think you'll find that vast majority of High Elf fans like that High Elves are this downtrodden group that managed to uphold their ideals even at the cost of their lands/family. Their loyalty and friendship with the Alliance is something a lot like. That they're seen as traitors to Blood Elves doesn't have any bearing. So this point of acknowledgement is pretty weird.

People for instance don't care that Vulpera are a ragtag group of foxes that have no kingdom and are basically scavengers. Not everyone in the game wants to play an elf in a "majestic and magical city". Since there's two of those types of Elves on Horde (Nightborne and Blood Elves), it's not unreasonable for there to be two of another type, "woodsy", for Alliance.

Woodland theme works perfectly well for High Elves, just because there's a ton of them in Dalaran isn't be all end all of their theme. Regardless of being in Dalaran they are often depicted more times as Rangers, there's lodges out among Alliance lands that High Elves created.

Just because Dalaran exists doesn't mean Blizzard can't create a new location for them. Look at Void Elves, Blizzard created a "Rift" in the middle of fuck nowhere to give Void Elves a place. Void Elves who are former Blood Elves didn't have to have a "magical and majestic city" just because Blood Elves have one.

These arguments you're using fall apart when you apply them to the other AR, which means it's not a good argument if it has to be that specific.

And you're harping on numbers when Void Elves themselves didn't exist until they were made an AR. Even then were described as a "squad". There's already an imgur album going around of 100s of High Elf NPCs in game, which btw isn't to say you take in-game numbers as literal because Stormwind isn't just a city with 200 some NPCs and neither is Goldshire just an Inn and Blacksmith Forge.

But it's meant to point out there's less Void Elves than High Elves and Void Elves were still able to become an Allied Race.

Again, if you're using arguments that don't even work on Void Elves, when they actually exist, then Void Elves shouldn't have become an Allied Race either. What does that say? That means Blizzard ultimately didn't give a crap. Exactly as they said, Void Elves came about because they wanted "to do something new and cool".

So all this discussion is showing Blizzard, "hey you can also do something 'new' and cool with the High Elves on the Alliance" with all these customization and model suggestions.

[Hallowseve17]

I just want to say after I've been mostly neutral on this subject for years, I can now say you all have swayed me. I support high elves as an allied race. They are an already established allied race and for me, the more options the merrier. What's funny is part of my change is sides came from Volunteer Guard Day. I chose to /salute the Dalaran high elf guards for kicks and giggles, made a spontaneous TRP profile for said appearance, and was having a blast roleplaying as a Silver Covenant mage dispatched to Stormwind to help defeat the Horde invaders.

[Obelisk Kai]

Back in BC, the blood elves had a more slender model than they have today. It also might be fun to see High Elves with something closer to that.

No, that was during the burning crusade beta and was changed by the time it hit live. As someone anticipating Blood Elves at the time I was following the development fairly closely.

There are two schools of thought as to why it was changed. The first is that the original super slender model was considered too effeminate by a subset of players and that Blizzard bulked up the Blood Elves a little to appease them.

The second is that that model was tearing, with the skeleton poking through the skin as it was animating and so Blizzard bulked it up a bit in order to prevent that happening. As to which is true it is difficult to say, the event is over a decade ago. Could be a case that both are true, although if Blizzard ever did comment on it today they would clearly say it was the model tearing.

Also, hasn't the discussion been that the more 'outdoorsy' and 'less magically influenced' Alliance High Elves would be bulked up compared to Blood Elves? Now I of course absolutely dispute that premise given that not every Blood Elf is a caster and many (Warriors, Monks, Rogues, Hunters, Paladins, likely the majority of the civilian population) would be living extremely physically active lives but it is internally inconsistent on your part to suggest a less bulky model.

It is consistent however with being desperate to find any angle to say Alliance High Elves are physically different from Blood Elves to justify being an Allied race, but given that is not the case you will struggle to find one.

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They are an already established allied race .

They are not an established allied race. The Alliance allied races are the Void Elves, Dark Iron Dwarves, Kul Tiran Humans and Lightforged Draenei . You cannot confer a status that is codified in game upon a group of NPCs simply because you wish to. You have as much ability to say Alliance High Elves are an allied race as you do to say they are a core race i.e zero.

[Garfurion]

"Allied races are, from a design point of view, alternate versions of the main races. They mostly use the skeleton of an existing race, but altered and with a different model. They also have their own racial abilities. Allied races get a full character kit including their own emotes, flirts, funnies, exertions, and so on.[1]"

That quote from WoWpedia does not constitute an official lore source so you shouldn't quote it directly. Blizzard never said Allied races are alternate versions of main races, I don't think they even use the term "main races". In this case what you quoted is an interpretation of a single or multiple persons who write the wowpedia texts.

If you want to a get a real feel for how Blizzard sees allied races you have to check the original Blizzard sources that wowpedia texts are based on.

I'm not sure if the wowpedia text mentioned the Blizzcon 2018 Lost Codex interview but starting from around 12:35 they actually asked the question what designates a race to be an allied race, and Alex Afrasiabi never relates them to existing races or "main races". I also think there are other interviews where they state there is no 1-1 relationship needed between an existing playable race and a new allied race.

"Q: What designates a race to be an Allied race, does it follow like, you got tauren - high mountain tauren and lightforged and general Draenei, is there a sort of pattern or could there be a curveball like Mok'Nathal or Vrykul or are you guys sticking to a pattern.

A: There is no pattern...I think what we want to chase for is cool and what in a lot of cases is contextually appropriate from a time-line perspective, so mainly what's cool. Now are there other hurdles of difficulties for us to overcome whenever we are creating a playable race, because at the end of the day that is exactly what an Allied race is and the answer of course is yes."

...The large Kul Tiran male and female that are now allied races that we just talked about I believe those are pretty much new races and what that means is they're new skeletons that we've reanimated or animated, sure they may have some of the older human animations, which btw way they're human so it makes perfect sense but they also have a whole bunch of new animations...." -- source The Lost Codex

I added the last quoted part because it gives a nice description what according to Blizzard is a race: a skeleton that they have animated.
In the case of Kul Tirans particularly they were completely created from scratch and as such took as much time to make as Pandaren, Worgen, etc...

[DeicideUH]

"Q: What designates a race to be an Allied race, does it follow like, you got tauren - high mountain tauren and lightforged and general Draenei, is there a sort of pattern or could there be a curveball like Mok'Nathal or Vrykul or are you guys sticking to a pattern.

A: There is no pattern...I think what we want to chase for is cool and what in a lot of cases is contextually appropriate from a time-line perspective, so mainly what's cool. Now are there other hurdles of difficulties for us to overcome whenever we are creating a playable race, because at the end of the day that is exactly what an Allied race is and the answer of course is yes."

...The large Kul Tiran male and female that are now allied races that we just talked about I believe those are pretty much new races and what that means is they're new skeletons that we've reanimated or animated, sure they may have some of the older human animations, which btw way they're human so it makes perfect sense but they also have a whole bunch of new animations...." -- source The Lost Codex

I added the last quoted part because it gives a nice description what according to Blizzard is a race: a skeleton that they have animated.
In the case of Kul Tirans particularly they were completely created from scratch and as such took as much time to make as Pandaren, Worgen, etc...

Very interesting. I also remember they answered a Q&A during Blizzcon 2017 by saying that allied races were called such because they were not meant to be sub-races. This also shows why the best method to predict future allied races is to search for models that are too detailed and complex for NPCs: model cost too much resources for Blizzard to create complex playable-quality model just for no bigger purpose. Vulpera and junker gnomes are almost sure to be the next ones due to that.

[Hallowseve17]

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They are not an established allied race. The Alliance allied races are the Void Elves, Dark Iron Dwarves, Kul Tiran Humans and Lightforged Draenei . You cannot confer a status that is codified in game upon a group of NPCs simply because you wish to. You have as much ability to say Alliance High Elves are an allied race as you do to say they are a core race i.e zero.

Whoa, man. What I meant by established is that they have been in the Alliance for years. I know they aren't an "established allied race". And I said my reasoning is the more options the merrier, I'd rather have wildhammer dwarves, broken, ogres, taunka, forest trolls, and others before we get more elves. We've seen eye to eye on things in the past, don't think I'm some mindless and fanatical high elf supporter now, just because my stance has changed.

[Aldo Hawk]

Very interesting. I also remember they answered a Q&A during Blizzcon 2017 by saying that allied races were called such because they were not meant to be sub-races. This also shows why the best method to predict future allied races is to search for models that are too detailed and complex for NPCs: model cost too much resources for Blizzard to create complex playable-quality model just for no bigger purpose. Vulpera and junker gnomes are almost sure to be the next ones due to that.

Yeah butt, at the same time Blizzard stated that more detailed models for NPC is something they search for, i believe it to be a thing Ornyx said.

Whelp, i searched for literally half a minute, it was easy: https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/...age=6#post-106

From his official source Blizzard is making more detailed NPCs, so they have better tools for story content.

This means new player-like NPCs are just NPCs 2.0, i think this could also be a backup to have work already done if they want to have it even easier to release a new allied race.

[Obelisk Kai]

Whoa, man. What I meant by established is that they have been in the Alliance for years. I know they aren't an "established allied race". And I said my reasoning is the more options the merrier, I'd rather have wildhammer dwarves, broken, ogres, taunka, forest trolls, and others before we get more elves. We've seen eye to eye on things in the past, don't think I'm some mindless and fanatical high elf supporter now, just because my stance has changed.

The High Elf race left the Alliance, as shown in the Warcraft 3 'Rise of the Blood Elves campaign' when they were betrayed by Grand Marshal Garithos, who sentenced them to death and the Kirin Tor of Dalaran who happily stood by and did not intervene. That the High Elf race had rechristened themselves as Blood Elves does not make them any less High Elves. Confusing this group with the small remnant of thalassian elves who rejected the path the vast majority of their people are on does a disservice to the overall storyline.

I am also someone who believes in greater diversity improving the factions and the more options the better. However, what is the point in offering an option that is already available. Blood Elves are High Elves. High Elves are playable. The request for Alliance High Elves is therefore not a request for something new, it is the desire for a duplicate of a race that is currently playable and is a part of the Horde. As important as options for players are, ensuring the factions themselves remain as distinct from each other as possible takes precedence. It shows a lack of respect to the Horde to want to play a Horde race without having to commit to the Horde faction.

Regarding your stance having changed, and that we have seen eye to eye in the past, I can only conclude that either you have created a new account (unlikely given the join date of July 2014) or that you have renamed yourself. Unfortunately, I have no idea who you were previously and have no baseline for comparison on any previous agreements.

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Yeah butt, at the same time Blizzard stated that more detailed models for NPC is something they search for, i believe it to be a thing Ornyx said.

Blizzard will twist the answer if the truth would spoil future plans. Back in 7.3, when asked if lightforged draenei would be available (as customization options) to players, Blizzard said that they were just meant to be a new kind of draenei that they wanted to show to players.

Ornyx may said something about more detailed models, but then, why only vulpera and junker gnomes? Where are the complex models for sethrak, the quillboar, the naga? The treatment is very uncommon, and we know making such models is way costlier so that answer feels like a handwave to not spoil the future allied races.

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The High Elf race left the Alliance, as shown in the Warcraft 3 'Rise of the Blood Elves campaign' when they were betrayed by Grand Marshal Garithos, who sentenced them to death and the Kirin Tor of Dalaran who happily stood by and did not intervene. That the High Elf race had rechristened themselves as Blood Elves does not make them any less High Elves. Confusing this group with the small remnant of thalassian elves who rejected the path the vast majority of their people are on does a disservice to the overall storyline.

I am also someone who believes in greater diversity improving the factions and the more options the better. However, what is the point in offering an option that is already available. Blood Elves are High Elves. High Elves are playable. The request for Alliance High Elves is therefore not a request for something new, it is the desire for a duplicate of a race that is currently playable and is a part of the Horde. As important as options for players are, ensuring the factions themselves remain as distinct from each other as possible takes precedence. It shows a lack of respect to the Horde to want to play a Horde race without having to commit to the Horde faction.

Regarding your stance having changed, and that we have seen eye to eye in the past, I can only conclude that either you have created a new account (unlikely given the join date of July 2014) or that you have renamed yourself. Unfortunately, I have no idea who you were previously and have no baseline for comparison on any previous agreements.

If Blood Elves were High Elves and Void Elves are also Blood Elves, which were High Elves, then why does it not make sense for the Alliance to have High Elves? Shouldn't the Alliance have just gone to the Horde to play Blood Elves if they wanted to play Void Elves? It's not like Blizzard can write a story to justify a small fraction of them now being part of the Alliance, or simply being neutral. High Elves were requested, and we were given Void Elves, which no one asked for.