Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[Aldo Hawk]

If Blood Elves were High Elves and Void Elves are also Blood Elves, which were High Elves, then why does it not make sense for the Alliance to have High Elves? Shouldn't the Alliance have just gone to the Horde to play Blood Elves if they wanted to play High Elves? It's not like Blizzard can write a story to justify a small fraction of them now being part of the Alliance, or simply being neutral. High Elves were requested, and we were given Void Elves, which no one asked for.

There's also this thing with Pandaren that shows a race only belongs to a faction because of limitations of the game.

You can't cross faction with your character as it is, you have to change your race.

Pandaren also demonstrates both factions can have the same truly carbon copy race and still don't make the sky fall and summon hell in our plane of existence.

HE do not even share lore since the split and them fighting blood elves makes sense a percentage equal to Zimbabwe's inflation more. Also by default allied race treatment they would definitelly have different looks applied to them.

Most of the concerns are already covered really, it's just a matter of not liking it.

[FlubberPuddy]

That quote from WoWpedia does not constitute an official lore source so you shouldn't quote it directly. Blizzard never said Allied races are alternate versions of main races, I don't think they even use the term "main races". In this case what you quoted is an interpretation of a single or multiple persons who write the wowpedia texts.

If you want to a get a real feel for how Blizzard sees allied races you have to check the original Blizzard sources that wowpedia texts are based on.

Haha, thank you for the correction. I was being a bit lazy and thought the source at the end [1] had the information, but didn't proof check it. Mistake on my part!

Whoa, man. What I meant by established is that they have been in the Alliance for years. I know they aren't an "established allied race". And I said my reasoning is the more options the merrier, I'd rather have wildhammer dwarves, broken, ogres, taunka, forest trolls, and others before we get more elves. We've seen eye to eye on things in the past, don't think I'm some mindless and fanatical high elf supporter now, just because my stance has changed.

Hey man don't take it personally. Obelisk just likes to be aggressive about any new poster coming in to support to the thread to scare em off in hopes they don't increase the support for High Elves.

At the end of the day, as you said - it's just about getting more options and customization into the game. Obelisk's own argument about faction integrity falls apart because Void Elves already have the same exact model as Blood Elves. This means now both Alliance and Horde have ownership of that Thalassian model, and since High Elves exist as unplayable NPCs on Alliance then it's only natural to ask for that customization option.

The factions still remain distinct overall, we're never going to see Orcs on Alliance or Dwarves on Horde but Elves as precedent set by Blizzard have been exchangeable.

There's also this thing with Pandaren that shows a race only belongs to a faction because of limitations of the game.

You can't cross faction with your character as it is, you have to change your race.

Pandaren also demonstrates both factions can have the same truly carbon copy race and still don't make the sky fall and summon hell in our plane of existence.

HE do not even share lore since the split and them fighting blood elves makes sense a percentage equal to Zimbabwe's inflation more. Also by default allied race treatment they would definitelly have different looks applied to them.

Most of the concerns are already covered really, it's just a matter of not liking it.

Hey, you're back. Stop getting banned! I like the tone of your recent responses, keep it up that way lol

[Varx]

There's also this thing with Pandaren that shows a race only belongs to a faction because of limitations of the game.

You can't cross faction with your character as it is, you have to change your race.

Pandaren also demonstrates both factions can have the same truly carbon copy race and still don't make the sky fall and summon hell in our plane of existence.

HE do not even share lore since the split and them fighting blood elves makes sense a percentage equal to Zimbabwe's inflation more. Also by default allied race treatment they would definitelly have different looks applied to them.

Most of the concerns are already covered really, it's just a matter of not liking it.

I know most of my posts are anti helf but I need to clarify that I'm only anti helf as an AR.

I believe helves can exist only of given the panda treatment and give the horde a new prettyish race that can be paladins to compensate. Best race that fits this would be vrykul.

Update eversong woods, DK intro and DH intro to include more races.

Give Kvaldir AR to alliance to balance the nightborne and a panda AR to balance the velves.

Rename the blood elf race to Thalassian Elf and name the horde faction Sin'dorie and alliance Quel'dorie.

Both have all eye color options and the story in eversong, whatever it would be, would end with you choosing your faction.

The truth of the matter is that lore wise houjin = blood elf and toushui = high elf. The only difference is that helves aren't playable.

Making helves as an AR is boring and a waste. The neutral path has the potential for more content added than just another copy paste of a core race.

[FlubberPuddy]

Confusing this group with the small remnant of thalassian elves who rejected the path the vast majority of their people are on does a disservice to the overall storyline.

No one is confusing the groups. People know who the High Elves are, and who the Blood Elves are. This is evidenced by the Blizzcon 2013 video I shared where Chris Metzen asked for any High Elf fans in the crowd and besides one or two people the crowd was silent overall.

I am also someone who believes in greater diversity improving the factions and the more options the better. However, what is the point in offering an option that is already available. Blood Elves are High Elves. High Elves are playable. The request for Alliance High Elves is therefore not a request for something new, it is the desire for a duplicate of a race that is currently playable and is a part of the Horde. As important as options for players are, ensuring the factions themselves remain as distinct from each other as possible takes precedence. It shows a lack of respect to the Horde to want to play a Horde race without having to commit to the Horde faction.

The point is being able to play as and experience the story of the High Elves who split off from the Blood Elves. While they have a shared history up until that split, (which btw so do Void Elves - who even more so have further Blood Elf shared history up until they're voided out so this point is truly moot) the story of the "High Elves who took back their name" then veers off into different territory.

People for some reason assume that Alliance High Elves had it easy, had the comforting lifestyle of the human kingdoms and etc, where is this explicitly stated or shown? How do we know they weren't facing their own hardships with having to leave their home and family behind? What was it like those couple months/years after the split happened?

We see often High Elves either aiding or fighting in the name of the Alliance. What grew this loyalty? How did the Alliance react to receiving these bunch of High Elves (similar to how we're seeing the effects of Teldrassil refugees)?

What was it like being away from the Sunwell? Having to fight the urges of magical withdrawal with constant objects or through sheer willpower?

Plethora of things to be explored by the High Elves on Alliance. Stuff that Blood Elves narrative wouldn't be privy to, so saying that it's "to play a Horde race without having to commit to the Horde faction" is pretty silly.

Especially since Horde received a version of Night Elf Highborne that they get to experience fully now without having to play in the Alliance. And also which btw, "play a Horde race without having to commit to the Horde faction" is actually on the nose for what Void Elves are.

Void Elves are literal Blood Elves who just harnessed a chaotic energy, they carry the Blood Elf history that occurred all throughout TBC so they're much closer to Blood Elves in terms of narrative. The Void Elf narrative even mirrors a similar one that early TBC Blood Elves had: power at any cost to protect their people.

So it is very very strange to come at playable Alliance High Elves as if they're so damaging if made playable when these sorts of things have already occurred to the Alliance faction and also to the Horde faction (through Void Elves).

Saying "we don't want Blizzard to make the same mistake again" is also not a strong argument because we see sorts like this:

"Future allied races
There are no immediate plans for Wildhammer dwarves, but it is possible in the future.[9]"

If a 3rd dwarf type is possible, that shatters any preconceived notion that a third type of any race is impossible.

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Making helves as an AR is boring and a waste. The neutral path has the potential for more content added than just another copy paste of a core race.

This is not a strong argument to get Blizzard to probably 100x the work you're suggesting.

I find a lot of the current AR to be boring and a waste, so do others. That doesn't mean Blizzard shouldn't have added those. Some people will like certain ARs and some people will hate those same certain ARs.

That's not an objective measure/argument that can be used against an AR, because as we see with the inevitable Junker Gnomes, if the "is boring and a waste" argument mattered then Alliance wouldn't be receiving such an AR.

I mean hell, even Obelisk believed they weren't going to add Nightborne, that "two elves are already enough for the game" and all that jazz. Look what happened? Blizzard didn't give a shit about that sort of comment lol

[Varx]

No one is confusing the groups. People know who the High Elves are, and who the Blood Elves are. This is evidenced by the Blizzcon 2013 video I shared where Chris Metzen asked for any High Elf fans in the crowd and besides one or two people the crowd was silent overall.



The point is being able to play as and experience the story of the High Elves who split off from the Blood Elves. While they have a shared history up until that split, (which btw so do Void Elves - who even more so have further Blood Elf shared history up until they're voided out so this point is truly moot) the story of the "High Elves who took back their name" then veers off into different territory.

People for some reason assume that Alliance High Elves had it easy, had the comforting lifestyle of the human kingdoms and etc, where is this explicitly stated or shown? How do we know they weren't facing their own hardships with having to leave their home and family behind? What was it like those couple months/years after the split happened?

We see often High Elves either aiding or fighting in the name of the Alliance. What grew this loyalty? How did the Alliance react to receiving these bunch of High Elves (similar to how we're seeing the effects of Teldrassil refugees)?

What was it like being away from the Sunwell? Having to fight the urges of magical withdrawal with constant objects or through sheer willpower?

Plethora of things to be explored by the High Elves on Alliance. Stuff that Blood Elves narrative wouldn't be privy to, so saying that it's "to play a Horde race without having to commit to the Horde faction" is pretty silly.

Especially since Horde received a version of Night Elf Highborne that they get to experience fully now without having to play in the Alliance. And also which btw, "play a Horde race without having to commit to the Horde faction" is actually on the nose for what Void Elves are.

Void Elves are literal Blood Elves who just harnessed a chaotic energy, they carry the Blood Elf history that occurred all throughout TBC so they're much closer to Blood Elves in terms of narrative. The Void Elf narrative even mirrors a similar one that early TBC Blood Elves had: power at any cost to protect their people.

So it is very very strange to come at playable Alliance High Elves as if they're so damaging if made playable when these sorts of things have already occurred to the Alliance faction and also to the Horde faction (through Void Elves).

Saying "we don't want Blizzard to make the same mistake again" is also not a strong argument because we see sorts like this:

"Future allied races
There are no immediate plans for Wildhammer dwarves, but it is possible in the future.[9]"

If a 3rd dwarf type is possible, that shatters any preconceived notion that a third type of any race is impossible.

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This is not a strong argument to get Blizzard to probably 100x the work you're suggesting.

I find a lot of the current AR to be boring and a waste, so do others. That doesn't mean Blizzard shouldn't have added those. Some people will like certain ARs and some people will hate those same certain ARs.

That's not an objective measure/argument that can be used against an AR, because as we see with the inevitable Junker Gnomes, if the "is boring and a waste" argument mattered then Alliance wouldn't be receiving such an AR.

I mean hell, even Obelisk believed they weren't going to add Nightborne, that "two elves are already enough for the game" and all that jazz. Look what happened? Blizzard didn't give a shit about that sort of comment lol

You're right I agree some AR are a somewhat lack luster. I just feel that once a core race has yielded an AR chances are that it wont happen again, especially since they'll need to have a faction opposite and anything other than some kind of nelf AR would throw of the balance. You can't give the alliance helvs and then give the horde vulpera, ogres, Lf undead, it's not right.

Obviously im not blizzard and I cant speak for them but im sure we can all agree when it comes to implementing major content such as classes and races there needs to be a balance between the horde and alliance in terms of theme and mechanics.

The examples are right there:

DH can only be two races, one on each faction.

The horde got a nelf varient as an AR while the alliance got a belf one.

Etc etc.

Neutrality with something similar to what i suggested doesn't mess with that balance and adds more to WoW than just belves with blue eyes and alleria tattoos while horde gets tiny fox people or hulking brutes.

Just picture all the possibilities

Update to eversong allows flying in all TBC starting zones.

New silvermoon battle ground.

Demon Hunters for multiple races.

Shiny new core horde race that yields an alliance AR.

But hey I'm just a faceless mmo champ poster, what do I know.

[Aldo Hawk]

Snip.

Elves coming out from Quel'thalas and joining alliance are Blood elf dissenters, not the High elves that are being requested, those that stuck with the alliance all along.

A suggestion like this only shows the desire for the model, which the HE request is not for, HE are being requested because HE were alliance, are alliance, and will still be alliance.

[Varx]

Elves coming out from Quel'thalas and joining alliance are Blood elf dissenters, not the High elves that are being requested, those that stuck with the alliance all along.

A suggestion like this only shows the desire for the model, which the HE request is not for, HE are being requested because HE were alliance, are alliance, and will still be alliance.

Who said it has to be like that. Use your imagination like the OP did.

Story starts out as a seige of silvermoon spear headed by alleria.

The new elves could have either been self identified as helves or belves but you end up doing quests for both sides for w/e reason and ultimately decide on which faction fits your ideals.

Wasn't it shown in this thread a while ago that not all belves are pro horde? Maybe there are some helves that regret not following lorthemar.

Im sorry man, but helves and belves share the same model as reinforced by the lore as they're the same biological race.

I mean go to the argent tournament outside of the raid entrance and look at the vendors, or the npc in isle of thunder. They're one and the same minus a difference in color prefrence.

THIS is the compromise.

[Aldo Hawk]

What was it like being away from the Sunwell? Having to fight the urges of magical withdrawal with constant objects or through sheer willpower?

I think the best question is: What is their relation with the Sunwell after it's restoration? Because we know Thalassians are connected with it, and by simple deduction HE would start to tap into it's energies again, but there is a whole area of characterization Blizzard could expand -a lot-. Like... They want to distance from magic all along, as the HE from the lodges, so they don't repeat the mistakes of the past, or things like that. We don't even know if pilgrimage is still allowed due to the war on Battle for Azeroth, there's a lot to expand from a single aspect of them.

Especially since Horde received a version of Night Elf Highborne that they get to experience fully now without having to play in the Alliance. And also which btw, "play a Horde race without having to commit to the Horde faction" is actually on the nose for what Void Elves are.

Void Elves are literal Blood Elves who just harnessed a chaotic energy, they carry the Blood Elf history that occurred all throughout TBC so they're much closer to Blood Elves in terms of narrative. The Void Elf narrative even mirrors a similar one that early TBC Blood Elves had: power at any cost to protect their people.

So it is very very strange to come at playable Alliance High Elves as if they're so damaging if made playable when these sorts of things have already occurred to the Alliance faction and also to the Horde faction (through Void Elves).

Void elves damaged more the Blood elf characterization than High elves could ever do, their own existence burrows from Sin'dorei pragmatism, it ruined one of the things that made Blood elves cool from back in TbC, and i hope for Sin'dorei to loose the Sunwell so we can have that cool characterization again... seriously, i feel kind of sad by this...

I find a lot of the current AR to be boring and a waste, so do others. That doesn't mean Blizzard shouldn't have added those. Some people will like certain ARs and some people will hate those same certain ARs.

There's people that loves Gnomes. I mean, there -is- people that -love- Gnomes. What else is to say? xd

That's not an objective measure/argument that can be used against an AR, because as we see with the inevitable Junker Gnomes, if the "is boring and a waste" argument mattered then Alliance wouldn't be receiving such an AR.

I pray for it not to happen, seriously. That would be a nice customization option. If gets added through AR system? Not truly a big deal, but well, you know xd

I mean hell, even Obelisk believed they weren't going to add Nightborne, that "two elves are already enough for the game" and all that jazz. Look what happened? Blizzard didn't give a shit about that sort of comment lol

Seriously? where can i find it? hoho...

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Hey man don't take it personally. Obelisk just likes to be aggressive about any new poster coming in to support to the thread to scare em off in hopes they don't increase the support for High Elves.

Btw this is so true it hurts, you can easily tell when he feels cornered or offended.

That means we are doing a good job.

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Who said it has to be like that. Use your imagination like the OP did.

Story starts out as a seige of silvermoon spear headed by alleria.

The new elves could have either been self identified as helves or belves but you end up doing quests for both sides for w/e reason and ultimately decide on which faction fits your ideals.

Wasn't it shown in this thread a while ago that not all belves are pro horde? Maybe there are some helves that regret not following lorthemar.

Im sorry man, but helves and belves share the same model as reinforced by the lore as they're the same biological race.

I mean go to the argent tournament outside of the raid entrance and look at the vendors, or the npc in isle of thunder. They're one and the same minus a difference in color prefrence.

THIS is the compromise.

NOTHING stops a Blood elf to abandon the horde and go to the Alliance, there is a difference between being a Sin'dorei and being horde.

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You're right I agree some AR are a somewhat lack luster. I just feel that once a core race has yielded an AR chances are that it wont happen again, especially since they'll need to have a faction opposite and anything other than some kind of nelf AR would throw of the balance. You can't give the alliance helvs and then give the horde vulpera, ogres, Lf undead, it's not right.

Blizzard gave two races that accompanied players through most of Legion to the horde, and the Alliance received one race that popped up the last patch and another one that popped up during the last month of the expansion.

Is that fair?

Seems like a non empirical thing, isn't it?

[Syegfryed]

The original intent of using Kul'Tiran in this thread is to show that Blizzard can give "the same race" different models on a whim. They're calling Kul'Tirans the same race. Alex Afrasiabi literally saying, "btw they're human" shows this.

And highmountain taurens? "btw they're tauren"

its literally the same thing, yes both are human, yes both are tauren, yes both dark iron and ironforge are dwarves, but they are not just the regular human/tauren/dwarf

i don't know how this is so difficult to grasp

He doesn't say anything about Drust ancestry, doesn't say anything about magically being changed.

he don't have to, drust lore and the ulfar quotes were added later.

What you guys are showing me is that you'll only listen to Blizzard

cute, very cute

Kul'Tirans aren't another race, they're human.

they are human in the same sense lightforged draenei are draenei and highmountain are tauren, yet still different

The highmountain Tauren example is silly, they have moose horns. Plenty have suggested here having permanent fixtures to High Elves such as tattoos/feathers/highlights etc. This would be on top of the different eyes High Elves have.

silly is to think tattoos and fucking feather is enough to distinguish a race, those are not morphological or racial changes

the horns is a biological change, they didn't put a different horn int heir heads because they want to, and the normal taurens can't put that horn, yet, any blood elf can put a tattoo or a feather

If moose horns is enough but Highmountain Tauren are allowed to have same skin tones, then extra accessories but the same model for High Elves is do-able too.

they are not, you are again, using the false equivalence here, just because A equal B C don't equal A

Horde also already have two heavily modified Night Elf models in the Zandalari and Nightborne. Alliance only has Void Elves, which isn't a modified model. So all things being equal, it's also okay that Alliance gets another model based off the Blood Elf one again.

this is even a worse argument

"horde have one model more, so alliance should get the model" lmao

i have to ask where is saying that we should have "equally models" somewhere;

[Varx]

[QUOTE=Aldo Hawk;51151444]

The point is being able to play as and experience the story of the High Elves who split off from the Blood Elves. While they have a shared history up until that split, (which btw so do Void Elves - who even more so have further Blood Elf shared history up until they're voided out so this point is truly moot) the story of the "High Elves who took back their name" then veers off into different territory.

I think the best question is: What is their relation with the Sunwell after it's restoration? Because we know Thalassians are connected with it, and by simple deduction HE would start to tap into it's energies again, but there is a whole area of characterization Blizzard could expand -a lot-. Like... They want to distance from magic all along, as the HE from the lodges, so they don't repeat the mistakes of the past, or things like that. We don't even know if pilgrimage is still allowed due to the war on Battle for Azeroth, there's a lot to expand from a single aspect of them.

Void elves damaged more the Blood elf characterization than High elves could ever do, their own existence burrows from Sin'dorei pragmatism, it ruined one of the things that made Blood elves cool from back in TbC, and i hope for Sin'dorei to loose the Sunwell so we can have that cool characterization again... seriously, i feel kind of sad by this...

There's people that loves Gnomes. I mean, there -is- people that -love- Gnomes. What else is to say? xd

I pray for it not to happen, seriously. That would be a nice customization option. If gets added through AR system? Not truly a big deal, but well, you know xd

Seriously? where can i find it? hoho...

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Btw this is so true it hurts, you can easily tell when he feels cornered or offended.

That means we are doing a good job.

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NOTHING stops a Blood elf to abandon the horde and go to the Alliance, there is a difference between being a Sin'dorei and being horde.

How can you guys be so pity and demand something so specific that you wont even consider the best possible compromise.

Like i said who's to say there are not high elves who regret their choice who are still in existence.

I feel like your speaking on behalf of pissed of elf fans from the infancy of tbc who were shocked and appalled that the horde got silvermoon while alliance got space goats and not the other way around.

Honestly, im literally suggesting what you want. You could make a blue eyes elf and role play that you were a helf all this time and you end up choosing alliance but you're still not happy???

Come on man...

[Aldo Hawk]

And highmountain taurens? "btw they're tauren"

its literally the same thing, yes both are human, yes both are tauren, yes both dark iron and ironforge are dwarves, but they are not just the regular human/tauren/dwarf

i don't know how this is so difficult to grasp

Yeah of course, you can tell by their littler hooves, their fatter butts and their more muscular necks... Oh, wait...

cute, very cute

Awwwww <3

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How can you guys be so pity and demand something so specific that you wont even consider the best possible compromise.

Blood elf dissenters are already the Void elves, Blood elf dissenters are not what is being asked.

Like i said who's to say there are not high elves who regret their choice who are still in existence.

Nobody? it's in the lore? There are already Blood elves separated from the horde and even from Silvermoon?

I feel like your speaking on behalf of pissed of elf fans from the infancy of tbc who were shocked and appalled that the horde got silvermoon while alliance got space goats and not the other way around.

I speak for myself and for those who has decent and reasonable points and requests, i don't care if you find someone requesting HE while suggesting crazy things or even being racist, homophobic or whatever.

Honestly, im literally suggesting what you want. You could make a blue eyes elf and role play that you were a helf all this time and you end up choosing alliance but you're still not happy???

Come on man...

Imagine thinking your idea is the best and outside of it there's no other possible option.

[Varx]

Yeah of course, you can tell by their littler hooves, their fatter butts and their more muscular necks... Oh, wait...

Awwwww <3

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Blood elf dissenters are already the Void elves, Blood elf dissenters are not what is being asked.

Nobody? it's in the lore? There are already Blood elves separated from the horde and even from Silvermoon?

I speak for myself and for those who has decent and reasonable points and requests, i don't care if you find someone requesting HE while suggesting crazy things or even being racist, homophobic or whatever.

Imagine thinking your idea is the best and outside of it there's no other possible option.

My idea yields a plethora of content for a decade+ old game. And still gives you what you want.

The AR route yields a race that's not different from it's parent race especially when compared to velves.

Doesn't take a Blizzard title and a BA in video game design to see that my idea as a whole is better than every helf AR idea in this entire thread.

Yeah it may be arrogant but it's true. If you denie that extra content is better than a redundant racial addition to please helf fanboys then I honestly don't know what to tell you.

[Aldo Hawk]

My idea yields a plethora of content for a decade+ old game. And still gives you what you want.

The AR route yields a race that's not different from it's parent race especially when compared to velves.

Doesn't take a Blizzard title and a BA in video game design to see that my idea as a whole is better than every helf AR idea in this entire thread.

Yeah it may be arrogant but it's true. If you denie that extra content is better than a redundant racial addition to please helf fanboys then I honestly don't know what to tell you.

It's arrogant but not for the reasons you stated.

By your standards, Nightborne should had come with the city and an extra storyline to rebuild it or something, that would had been more content.

Also be careful with what you believe to be true, HE are not intrinsically redundant nor is telling people that adding it would be just to please 'helf fanboys'. That's your personal opinion and a spiteful one for the sake of it.

You can't say you are not intrinsically antagonistic while in the next minute you are spouting things like these, seriously, try to fix that.

Edit: Just look at this quote:

The point is being able to play as and experience the story of the High Elves who split off from the Blood Elves. While they have a shared history up until that split, (which btw so do Void Elves - who even more so have further Blood Elf shared history up until they're voided out so this point is truly moot) the story of the "High Elves who took back their name" then veers off into different territory.

The High elves who took back their name. The HE request isn't behind that, the request is for the group that stood with the Alliance all along, all these years, it's crystal clear.

[Ielenia]

Doesn't take a Blizzard title and a BA in video game design to see that my idea as a whole is better than every helf AR idea in this entire thread.

Your idea is definitely not "better than every idea" in this thread. In fact, I'd say yours is one of the worst.

Yours is basically a re-hash of the Pandaren starting experience, something that Blizzard has heavily hinted they were not exactly happy with. But with the added 'con' that your idea completely alters an already existing starting experience: the blood elves'.

Your idea is not a compromise. Worse, it's a 'middle finger' to the face of blood elf fans.

[Varx]

Your idea is definitely not "better than every idea" in this thread. In fact, I'd say yours is one of the worst.

Yours is basically a re-hash of the Pandaren starting experience, something that Blizzard has heavily hinted they were not exactly happy with. But with the added 'con' that your idea completely alters an already existing starting experience: the blood elves'.

Your idea is not a compromise. Worse, it's a 'middle finger' to the face of blood elf fans.

Eversong is highly outdated and needs a major overhaul. The story there is still pre wrath and needs at least the cata treatment. Hell, it's the reason why you cant fly in tbc starting zones since the draenie islands are both fully capable to support flying but since eversong and ghostlands aren't it wouldn't be fair.

Yes, it's a rehash but if anything padaren are a rehash of thalassian elves lore-wise since both factions had their own pure, pale skin, blonde thalssian elves before horde/alliance added pandas to their ranks.

Might as well do it again if they wanna make them playable instead of making them an AR and add even more content around it to milk it as much as possible.

You telling me you wouldn't like to fly in those zones, make an orc or human demon hunter, or have a brandnew battleground built around silvermoon, give horde a new core race that yields and ally AR,to name a few?

No?

Ok, screw it lets just make belves with blue eyes, slap some tattoos despite velves existing as the belf AR, give the horde vulpera or ogres and call it a day. Yeah that is totally better.

[FlubberPuddy]

Ok, screw it lets just make belves with blue eyes, slap some tattoos despite velves existing as the belf AR, give the horde vulpera or ogres and call it a day. Yeah that is totally better.

Horde are getting Vulpera regardless so I don't see the point of this "use High Elves as a bargaining chip".

Blizzard is going to add whatever the hell they want to add. And nothing will stop them if they decide on letting High Elves become playable.

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Seriously? where can i find it? hoho...

I was looking at Nightborne threads on MMO-C after they were introduced as an Allied Race to see what people were saying about them in threads BEFORE their reveal. When I came across one I saw Obelisk posting in it saying it wouldn't happen because of the two elves already thing it was on a whim.

I just chuckled at it and moved on because he has a tendency to not speak anymore about facts that he's wrong on and I don't think I ever saw him comment on Nightborne after the fact, not sure if he ever acknowledged that.

I can try finding it, but it was funny enough to see it on its own.

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I can tell it's already going to be tough to find because the thread was from 2017 and most google searching just brings up 2018-2019 or post reveal 2017 information.

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You know what I lied. Found it!

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...nce-high-elves

I suppose it was inevitable this would come up.

Why isn't one elf race per faction enough?

Both groups traditionally featured in fantasy (high elves and dark/wood elves) are in this game already.

We really don't need any more of them to be playable. It is perfectly fine as it is.

Blizzard: hold my beer

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Horde are getting Vulpera regardless so I don't see the point of this "use High Elves as a bargaining chip".

Blizzard is going to add whatever the hell they want to add. And nothing will stop them if they decide on letting High Elves become playable.

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Dude... I was clearly using them as an example, notice how i also said "or ogres".

Obviously what blizzard decides is final but that's beyond the point of this thread.

Im just saying based on all the facts, helves are best implemented as a neutral race, not an AR.

Both factions have pandas and pure thalassian elves. Just make the elves "neutral" and give horde a new race that can be paladins.

If you're interested in my details read them a few pages back.

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Tons of people in that thread saying "we have enough elves" as well even when it was just 2. So if I were Blizzard I'd disregard that type of stance.

If 2 already "feels enough" then 2 of every other race would be "enough as is" too, isn't stopping others asking for Forest Trolls or Wildhammer Dwarves.

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Im just saying based on all the facts, helves are best implemented as a neutral race, not an AR.

Based on facts, you want to take the established narrative of High Elves on Alliance today, and the established narrative of Blood Elves on Horde today, and ret-con that?

That makes no sense, to both High Elf and Blood Elf fans. These groups have never been neutral in the way that Pandarens are/were.

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Tons of people in that thread saying "we have enough elves" as well even when it was just 2. So if I were Blizzard I'd disregard that type of stance.

If 2 already "feels enough" then 2 of every other race would be "enough as is" too, isn't stopping others asking for Forest Trolls or Wildhammer Dwarves.

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Based on facts, you want to take the established narrative of High Elves on Alliance today, and the established narrative of Blood Elves on Horde today, and ret-con that?

That makes no sense, to both High Elf and Blood Elf fans. These groups have never been neutral in the way that Pandarens are/were.

I am not saying to retcon them. This is why i said if you're interested in what i said then read.

Eversong is already in need of an overhaul as its pre wrath story wise.

It could use a revamp which includes flying. Have story revolve around alleria laying seige to silvermoon. New elf toons can have blue green or yellow eyes.

Story wise, the new player elves do quests for both sides and choose a side at the end.

There are belves, who did not go voidy, who are still anti horde and there might be helves who regret not siding with lorthemar. This could work as story progression not a retcon.

Then horde gets a new race, dh intro update with more races.

Why is something like that worse than just making them as an AR when velves already filled that socket for blood elves.

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Tons of people in that thread saying "we have enough elves" as well even when it was just 2. So if I were Blizzard I'd disregard that type of stance.

If 2 already "feels enough" then 2 of every other race would be "enough as is" too, isn't stopping others asking for Forest Trolls or Wildhammer Dwarves.

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Based on facts, you want to take the established narrative of High Elves on Alliance today, and the established narrative of Blood Elves on Horde today, and ret-con that?

That makes no sense, to both High Elf and Blood Elf fans. These groups have never been neutral in the way that Pandarens are/were.

Same thing about void elves. When void elf weapons were datamined, someone made a thread on "Playable Void high elves in the Alliance". Obviously, the same thing was said again and again.

I myself thought these "void elves" would be enemies, not a playable race, but I was counting on nightborne and high elves to become available in the expansion after Legion ever since patch 7.1 and the Suramar rebellion.