Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[DeicideUH]

That's not exactly true though, for Void Elves to surpass HE's you'd need enough HE's to simply convert into VE's. Whether that be from personal choice or villainous action tbd by story.

An unwilling transformation is the only way I can see it being done. High elves chose integrity over their well-being, they wouldn't suddenly choose to turn into void elves in mass without betraying the very reason they split from blood elves in the first place.

But such mass transformation hasn't happened yet, so it's still speculation.

And people need to understand that if high elves are turned into void elves, the void elves themselves will lose their identity. You will suddenly have tragic void elves seeking a cure or unwilling to use the void as the majority of the race.

[Aldo Hawk]

An unwilling transformation is the only way I could see it being done. High elves chose integrity over their well-being, they wouldn't suddenly choose to turn into void elves in mass without betraying the very reason they split from blood elves in the first place.

But such mass transformation hasn't happened yet, so it's still speculation.

And people need to understand that if high elves are suddenly turned into void elves, the void elves themselves will lose their identity. You will suddenly have tragic void elves seeking a cure or unwilling to use the void as the majority.

Let's not forget the fact High elves has enough population to have soldiers, civilians and different groups within themselves.

That's more or the same than certain playable options.

Edit: Hell, there are even Moonfaire workers and High elves with all kinds of professions out there.

[FlubberPuddy]

The PLAYABLE pure model was meant to be horde. Otherwise alliance would have gotten something similar to the OP and not void elves. Anything more and then you open up the flood gates with people asking for redundant shit like regular kul tirans because "my immersion".

"Hey guyz lets pull a race out of our ass, waste resource on designing a culture and lore around them. However, lets still give them high elves too."

I don't think so.

Nothing but logic here folks. No bad intentions, disrespect, or malice. Just logic.

People already have been asking for "redundant shit" like regular Kul'Tirans though.

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wo...ody-type/70089

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wo...-in-lore/85629

https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20764166318

There's lots more threads that pop up just from googling, "kul tirans should have regular body options". Heck there's even threads about being able to play "normal gilneans".

https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/...9497691?page=1

https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/7979989393

https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20748476563

https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/...2167753?page=1


As you can see, people have already been asking for these types of things for a long time. It's just never been as popular as requesting High Elves has been which is why there's been little support/or it's not known as much about.

I mean look at that, you didn't think people were already asking for these sorts of things and thought High Elves would be the cause of opening up that can of worms.

But clearly that's happening already, it just goes to show the popularity of the High Elf request and the amount of support it has compared to other similar requests for the other races.

There's people who strictly play Horde, strictly play Blood Elves that have supported the High Elves becoming playable. That speaks volumes from the community side of the request.

Ball is truly in Blizzard's court as I said. We just have to wait and see how they decide to go about it once the current AR in BFA finish up.

I mean I was thinking about it some, and can you honestly tell me once BFA is over, and we all Mechagnomes and whatever else is the final Alliance race coming -

What sorts of Allied Races for the future do you see Alliance getting excited about???

These asks for "Forest Trolls, Ogres, Vulpera, San'layn, Tuskarr" are either mostly Horde based races or neutral (Tuskarr).

There's not a whole lot of options that people are gathering around and supporting in big numbers for Alliance other than High Elves or Wildhammer Dwarves from what I've seen.

You could say "Jinyu/Ankoan" but that could be the last race coming in BFA. "Night Elf Worgen" I barely see much support for that, both in-game and from players.

What could Alliance possibly get? Just continue to get a bunch of new races that no one desires? That'd be silly as fuck if compared to Horde getting long-time requests in the future.

Especially now that Blizzard has said they're now at a point where they're able to look into the feedback they've been getting "and its interesting". They're going to get shit on if Alliance continues to start getting absolutely new races out of nowhere there hasn't been any threads/feedback about.

I just cannot see a feasible way for Alliance players to get excited for incoming ARs past the Mechagnomes, and even those are pretty tepid overall - most people just accept it because they already knew they were coming at some point.

[Varx]

Because you can effectively roleplay as a normal sized Kul'tiran or a main universe Mah'gar that doesn't mean you can play a classic High elf just because another kind of Thalassian exist. (well tho stormwindians can't be druids, but it's one detail let's not get that picky shall we? ). Those examples only share one common point, being similar playable choices. While ignoring everything else.

Yeah, that's the thing that worries most people, but i hope we could get more open minded and accept that factions are what it's members makes of them and not the other way around.



Bolded: The underlined comes out as anything but what you said. Not good intentions, disrespectful, malicious. And everything but logical.

Logic, remember?

Just because i threw in a few swears doesn't mean im being disrepectful unless who ever reads it as skin as thick as wet toilet paper.


It is pure logic. Asking for exactly duplicate races but from a different faction is redundant model wise, and models are the meat of a playable character, not the lore or the player's nostolgia fueled immersion.

Seriously, why would blizzard waste time and money on an ass pull like velves when they could have just given alliance helves to begin with. Once again just using unbiased logic.

[FlubberPuddy]

Seriously, why would blizzard waste time and money on an ass pull like velves when they could have just given alliance helves to begin with. Once again just using unbiased logic.

They made lots of money off of Void Elves. Imagine later on they release actual High Elves, that's double dipping extra money they've just made. Whereas if they'd made High Elves first do you honestly believe more people would have

Switched from High Elf -> Void Elf

or switched from Void Elf -> High Elf

?

That'll answer the question of why they "ass pulled velves"

[DeicideUH]

On the "high elves will turn into void elves" possibility, like I said above, I can only see it happening if it's an unwilling transformation. There's no way the high elves will betray the very reason they split from blood elves. Sure, there's always the odd scholar or crazy extremist that may be willing to do so, but the entire race? Even its civilians and non-magic users?

I can see two ways of it happening, thought. And both require a story where we go back to Quel'thalas as the end of BfA, which then means you get most high elves working with the few void elves.

The first is that the Sunwell will be corrupted, and that corruption will spread like a disease. Maybe Rommath has prepared for such an event and found a way to ward most of the blood elves, but then the high elves everywhere and some blood elves are caught in the effect and transformed.

The other is that maybe Umbric is lying, his calm and rational behavior is a sham. Maybe the REAL void elves are the crazy ones in Island Expeditions or those summoning dangerous elite mobs in Faction invasions. Which only the Horde sees, BTW.

In that case, when their real face is finally shown, they’ll lay a trap for the Alliance. They’ve been serving the Void all along. Maybe they’ll join the high elf army in the Quel’thalas effort, only to reveal they still have the Cube and transform everyone into void elves. Suddenly, the void elves we knew were villains all along, and the new ones introduced, now as a proper numerous race, are cursed victims that never wanted anything to do with the Void. High elves became void elves, end of the discussion.

But, again, that means the end of the void elves as their own race. They've been overtaken by tragic elves that never wanted to dabble with the void but now must learn to control it, while seeking a way for a cure.

Would I be fine with such stories? Only if they are told very well, with the proper respect for the high elf identity. But these ideas are not very popular among high elf fans.

[FlubberPuddy]

On the "high elves will turn into void elves" possibility, like I said above, I can only see it happening if it's an unwilling transformation. There's no way the high elves will betray the very reason they split from blood elves. Sure, there's always the odd scholar or crazy extremist that may be willing to do so, but the entire race? Even its civilians and non-magic users?

This is something I never see brought up by the anti-side. The whole reason a High Elf / Blood Elf split occurred is because Blood Elves leaned to utilizing dangerous magic and siphoning from creatures.

Why the hell would High Elves suddenly turn around and accept to utilize dangerous magic just because it's "purple" instead of "green"?

This is part of what makes a High Elf a High Elf, supported by those quotes you shared, they "upheld their ideals over their well-being".

Neither Blood Elves, nor Void Elves, offer that. It would be like telling someone they can "RP" their Nightborne on Alliance by just playing a Night Elf mage, when the entire backstory and theme of Night Elves is that they forsake using Arcane and delved into the more natural/spiritual magics.

Can someone honestly say with a straight face/no sarcasm that playing a Night Elf mage is equivalent to playing a Nightborne on Horde side?

[Aldo Hawk]

On the "high elves will turn into void elves" possibility, like I said above, I can only see it happening if it's an unwilling transformation. There's no way the high elves will betray the very reason they split from blood elves. Sure, there's always the odd scholar or crazy extremist that may be willing to do so, but the entire race? Even its civilians and non-magic users?

I can see two ways of it happening, thought. And both require a story where we go back to Quel'thalas as the end of BfA, which then means you get most high elves working with the few void elves.

The first is that the Sunwell will be corrupted, and that corruption will spread like a disease. Maybe Rommath has prepared for such an event and found a way to ward most of the blood elves, but then the high elves everywhere and some blood elves are caught in the effect and transformed.

The other is that maybe Umbric is lying, his calm and rational behavior is a sham. Maybe the REAL void elves are the crazy ones in Island Expeditions or those summoning dangerous elite mobs in Faction invasions. Which only the Horde sees, BTW.

In that case, when their real face is finally shown, they’ll lay a trap for the Alliance. They’ve been serving the Void all along. Maybe they’ll join the high elf army in the Quel’thalas effort, only to reveal they still have the Cube and transform everyone into void elves. Suddenly, the void elves we knew were villains all along, and the new ones introduced, now as a proper numerous race, are cursed victims that never wanted anything to do with the Void. High elves became void elves, end of the discussion.

But, again, that means the end of the void elves as their own race. They've been overtaken by tragic elves that never wanted to dabble with the void but now must learn to control it, while seeking a way for a cure.

Would I be fine with such stories? Only if they are told very well, with the proper respect for the high elf identity. But these ideas are not very popular among high elf fans.

There is another problem to this.

And is a storyline one.

When you create a Void elf, the initial scenario is what it is, they would have to modify it in order to fit the narrative that they are not only Blood elf infused with void by force, if not a new set of Thalassians that joined them one way or another.

I see it as very early to do so and taking it too far would make it wacky, if it does happen if would be more of a last, flavor line of writing adding a bit to them. It's a similar situation as Death Knights.

[Varx]

They made lots of money off of Void Elves. Imagine later on they release actual High Elves, that's double dipping extra money they've just made. Whereas if they'd made High Elves first do you honestly believe more people would have

Switched from High Elf -> Void Elf

or switched from Void Elf -> High Elf

?

That'll answer the question of why they "ass pulled velves"

Ok so then it'll all be a matter of if Blizzard will become harder sell outs than they already are and add high elves for the sake of generating extra stripper money for their weekends.

Nice way of introducing an uneeded playable race instead of sticking to their guns and adding more to velf/belf lore and eventually making the helves a distant memory.

If that's not the case then void elves absolutely killed any chance of playable helves when blizz decided on making them the official belf AR and not the high elves.

[Aldo Hawk]

This is something I never see brought up by the anti-side. The whole reason a High Elf / Blood Elf split occurred is because Blood Elves leaned to utilizing dangerous magic and siphoning from creatures.

Why the hell would High Elves suddenly turn around and accept to utilize dangerous magic just because it's "purple" instead of "green"?

Not only that. The very inception of Void elves took characterization from Blood elves by simply getting exiled for deeply studying void.

Blood elves were advantageous, rational and highly measured. Why this now? Ugh...

[FlubberPuddy]

Ok so then it'll all be a matter of if Blizzard will become harder sell outs than they already are and add high elves for the sake of generating extra stripper money for their weekends.

Nice way of introducing an uneeded playable race instead of sticking to their guns and adding more to velf/belf lore and eventually making the helves a distant memory.

If that's not the case then void elves absolutely killed any chance of playable helves when blizz decided on making them the official belf AR and not the high elves.

You still didn't reply to my post where I showed people already ask for normal gilneans/kultirans btw, and what else is there for Alliance to get post BFA ARs.

I would like to hear your thoughts on those subjects, unless you don't have commentary for that entire post.

Anyways, you'd have to show me where its defined what is "an uneeded playable race" because there's already existing Allied Races that some people consider un-needed such as Lightforged Draenei and Highmountain Tauren which many feel could've been extra customization options added to their existing races.

Did Blizzard say they're only adding "needed races"? I've only heard them say adding AR "where it makes sense", that's a vastly different statement.

[DeicideUH]

There is another problem to this.

And is a storyline one.

When you create a Void elf, the initial scenario is what it is, they would have to modify it in order to fit the narrative that they are not only Blood elf infused with void by force, if not a new set of Thalassians that joined them one way or another.

They can easily update Telogrus, as well as Alleria's intro narration.

[Aldo Hawk]

Just because i threw in a few swears doesn't mean im being disrepectful unless who ever reads it as skin as thick as wet toilet paper.

And now you are insulting my intelligence, neat!

It's pretty clear who you were referring to with:

The PLAYABLE pure model was meant to be horde. Otherwise alliance would have gotten something similar to the OP and not void elves. Anything more and then you open up the flood gates with people asking for redundant shit like regular kul tirans because "my immersion".

"Hey guyz lets pull a race out of our ass, waste resource on designing a culture and lore around them. However, lets still give them high elves too."

While also trying to evade answers for it by writing:

Nothing but logic here folks. No bad intentions, disrespect, or malice. Just logic.

Also... who has 'thick as wet toilet paper skin'?

Please

It is pure logic. Asking for exactly duplicate races but from a different faction is redundant model wise, and models are the meat of a playable character, not the lore or the player's nostolgia fueled immersion.

In fact, it is everything but redundant since the option is not available while also being supported by lore. It's kind of an unique situation isn't it?

Seriously, why would blizzard waste time and money on an ass pull like velves when they could have just given alliance helves to begin with. Once again just using unbiased logic.

The answer we got is that they wanted to create something cool and also something similar to a Blood elf. Who knows if they already had lore reasons to it for things we hadn't already seen, as Nightborne having special interactions within Nazjatar for example. They write the lore with years of advance, maybe their lack of lore is kind of on purpose and it's meant to be fulfilled during BfA storyline.

For anything else, go ask them.

[FlubberPuddy]

Not only that. The very inception of Void elves took characterization from Blood elves by simply getting exiled for deeply studying void.

Blood elves were advantageous, rational and highly measured. Why this now? Ugh...

Yes it's a very clearly shallowly designed allied race. My guess is why Blizzard is trying to have them more involved in BFA, and so far are failing to add depth, or after this expansion where they've gotten some "interaction lime light" they'll be forgotten about if we aren't headed to something Void-themed.

I expect Blizzard to add more depth to them, but so far they haven't added much, if any, at all.

The majority of people playing Void Elves today are mostly doing it for visual/model reasons because their story depth is absolutely pathetic. Hell I've even seen some people say they play Void Elves because they're the only thin males on Alliance - so something not even related to them being Void!

[Aldo Hawk]

They can easily update Telogrus, as well as Alleria's intro narration.

I hope they left less half-baked things from now on.

[Varx]

You still didn't reply to my post where I showed people already ask for normal gilneans/kultirans btw, and what else is there for Alliance to get post BFA ARs.

I would like to hear your thoughts on those subjects, unless you don't have commentary for that entire post.

Anyways, you'd have to show me where its defined what is "an uneeded playable race" because there's already existing Allied Races that some people consider un-needed such as Lightforged Draenei and Highmountain Tauren which many feel could've been extra customization options added to their existing races.

Did Blizzard say they're only adding "needed races"? I've only heard them say adding AR "where it makes sense", that's a vastly different statement.

Well first, im glad those fedora flippers aren't devs cuz we don't need overcrowded toon creation screens in order to fullfill their mouth breathing rp needs.

As for what else is left?

Mechagnomes still aren't offically confirmed.

Worgen could get an AR, maybe nelf worgen

Then if the AR system is meant to give mutliple ars to core races then there's jinyu or ankoa, lepper gnomes, eredar, etc. Though i doubt that'll happen.

I cant give quotes on the future of the AR system, just educated guesses based on what we have which is safe to assume that velves killed of the possibility of helves when blizz chose them over an alreasy established thalassian faction.

[Aldo Hawk]

Yes it's a very clearly shallowly designed allied race. My guess is why Blizzard is trying to have them more involved in BFA, and so far are failing to add depth, or after this expansion where they've gotten some "interaction lime light" they'll be forgotten about if we aren't headed to something Void-themed.

I expect Blizzard to add more depth to them, but so far they haven't added much, if any, at all.

The majority of people playing Void Elves today are mostly doing it for visual/model reasons because their story depth is absolutely pathetic. Hell I've even seen some people say they play Void Elves because they're the only thin males on Alliance - so something not even related to them being Void!

One of the most common posts early since Void elf release from new Void elf players is that they found hard to feel any attachment to their characters, as if it were so shallow that lacked too much character.

I want to believe that it is because of intentional design of the Allied race, that it is meant to fulfill very specific fantasies such as... shallowness, or loneliness, or 'being darks mwahaha'.

[FlubberPuddy]

Well first, im glad those fedora flippers aren't devs cuz we don't need overcrowded toon creation screens in order to fullfill their mouth breathing rp needs.

As for what else is left?

Mechagnomes still aren't offically confirmed.

Worgen could get an AR, maybe nelf worgen

Then if the AR system is meant to give mutliple ars to core races then there's jinyu or ankoa, lepper gnomes, eredar, etc. Though i doubt that'll happen.

I cant give quotes on the future of the AR system, just educated guesses based on what we have which is safe to assume that velves killed of the possibility of helves when blizz chose them over an alreasy established thalassian faction.

Yeah so basically there is no good shit for the Alliance going forward past BFA. Thanks for confirming.

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One of the most common posts early since Void elf release from new Void elf players is that they found hard to feel any attachment to their characters, as if it were so shallow that lacked too much character.

I want to believe that it is because of intentional design of the Allied race, that it is meant to fulfill very specific fantasies such as... shallowness, or loneliness, or 'being darks mwahaha'.

It is very hard to get into the character of a Void Elf. And I'm someone that LOVES Elves when it comes to fantasy races. I have a hard time leveling one up to get its Heritage Armor, still haven't done it.

In the meantime though I've gone ahead and unlocked every Allied Race so far, even on Horde and it immediately is easy to connect with characters of all other ARs even when I'm not as passionate about them (like Dark Irons and Kul'Tirans) as Elven races.

[DeicideUH]

It is very hard to get into the character of a Void Elf. And I'm someone that LOVES Elves when it comes to fantasy races. I have a hard time leveling one up to get its Heritage Armor, still haven't done it.

There's simply nothing substantial to latch onto. They have a single NPC, Umbric, and all the rest are just assumed to be his clones. They lack variety, goal, struggle, anything that makes a race interesting.

It would be nice to know the clear answers to at least some of the many questions left hanging:

Alleria: What’s she doing? Where are her inner conflicts? How is her relationship with her husband? Her son? Her living sister? Her Alliance Expedition followers? How is the training with her void elves going? Are there any conflicts with the void elves?

Umbric: Where does he come from? Does he have a family? Why was he so obsessed with the Void to choose his studies over his homeland? Who are his favorite acolytes? Why did they remain loyal to him even in exile?

Void elves: What is their ethos? Are there troublesome ones? Are there promising ones? Are there any who disagree with Alleria’s or Umbric’s views? Are there ones who have been lost to the Void already?

Who are their recruits? Why would non-scholars seek to become void elves? How do they create more? Why would they even want to create more? What are the trials to see if an elf is worthy of the transformation? What measures do they take to keep the Void under control?

Diplomacy: What do they think of the races of the Alliance? How is their relationship with the high elves? What about the night elves? The lightforged? What races are closest to them? What races shun them the most?

Once Blizzard starts answering such questions, I may start taking void elves seriously.

[Garfurion]

On the "high elves will turn into void elves" possibility, like I said above, I can only see it happening if it's an unwilling transformation. There's no way the high elves will betray the very reason they split from blood elves. Sure, there's always the odd scholar or crazy extremist that may be willing to do so, but the entire race? Even its civilians and non-magic users?

“They start out as a small group,” Danuser continues. “But it’s natural as other elves have found out about them — elves who are interested in new sources of magic, power, or opportunities — would see if they could undergo a similar process. They’re not ... recruiting, necessarily, but they’re open to those who show a similar interest.” -- source

Note, the bold part. This certainly doesn't sound like anything an Alliance High Elf would do who have historically been more reserved when it comes to using magic. The Highvale Elves even stopped using magic completely so this excludes them anyway but it should also exclude any Thalasian Elf who is not a mage, warlock or (shadow) priest. Although it doesn't make the High Elves in Telogrus Rift impossible it will mean the ones we see are probably the only ones lore-wise given the low number of High Elves.

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Neither Blood Elves, nor Void Elves, offer that. It would be like telling someone they can "RP" their Nightborne on Alliance by just playing a Night Elf mage, when the entire backstory and theme of Night Elves is that they forsake using Arcane and delved into the more natural/spiritual magics.

Can someone honestly say with a straight face/no sarcasm that playing a Night Elf mage is equivalent to playing a Nightborne on Horde side?

No, but you can play a Shen'dralar as Alliance Night-Elf mage which comes close

Question is, why would the Shen'dralar stay part of the druidic Night Elven society, which probably doesn't completely trust and accept them, instead of joining the Nightborne in Suramar ? Probably something Blizzard didn't consider when making the Nightborne a Horde race