Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[HeiAggra]

I know you hate her just because she's a high elf, but please

True she is, like all the elves in silvermoon are

[elbleuet]

True she is, like all the elves in silvermoon are

Sorry, if you want to fight alongside High elves, the Alliance is waiting for you.

Blood elves are fel corrupted elves. High elves are untouched thalassian elves.

But you already knew it

[HeiAggra]

Sorry, if you want to fight alongside High elves, the Alliance is waiting for you.

Blood elves are fel corrupted elves. High elves are untouched thalassian elves.

But you already knew it

I do know what High Elves are, they are on the race page in the WOW official webpage, you should check it.
If you like i can leave the link here so you can clarify your doubts.

[Obelisk Kai]

Sorry, if you want to fight alongside High elves, the Alliance is waiting for you.

Blood elves are fel corrupted elves. High elves are untouched thalassian elves.

But you already knew it

Blizzard has said if you want to play a high elf, the Horde is waiting for you. Attempting to invert those words in favour of the Alliance fails because you have to say 'alongside' not 'as'. And as Blood Elves are High Elves, if you want to fight alongside High Elves, simply pick any other Horde race. You will find yourself fighting alongside high elves every single day, rather than getting excited at the addition of a single Alliance high elf np every two or three patches.

Blood Elves are not fel corrupted elves and indeed never were, a fel corrupted elf is known as a Felblood Elf. Blood Elves were fel tainted, there is a difference of degree. As the Sunwell is a purifying force for all thalassian elves and several elves are now manifesting golden eyes this signifies the removal of the very, very light fel taint some Blood Elves possess. In the end it is likely all thalassian elves will manifest golden eyes (or possibly blue, purple or pink given that the Sunwell is also Arcane), however in the name of player choice this will occur beyond the timeframe of WoW. As Alliance High Elves are subject to that same Sunwell, they are subject to the exact same changes Blood Elves are undergoing.

The Sunwell sustains all thalassian elves except the Void Elves and does not discriminate on the grounds of political choice.

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Lmao

Since her introduction, Vereesa has been more relevant to the story IG and in the books than Halduron/Liadrin/Rommath combined.

Btw when Vereesa was fighting the Legion on Argus, what was Lor'Themar doing ? Doing party and Taking care of his hairs in Silvermoon, as he does since 2007.

I know you hate her just because she's a high elf, but please

Veressa was fulfilling her primary function, being a supporting character to someone else's arc.

In the books it was Rhonin, with the exception of War Crimes where it was Sylvanas.

In MOP it was Jaina.

In Legion it was Alleria.

And Alleria already has more heft within the Alliance than Veressa ever did, given how Alleria is a racial leader with a seat at the top table. Just as the Void Elves have supplanted Alliance High Elves as the thalassians of the Alliance, so has the far more interesting and developed Alleria supplanted her little sister.

But who knows, maybe someone in future will need a supporting character to talk to, at which point Veressa will surely be used again.

P.S. For the record, I don't hate Veressa. I don't really feel anything about her at all. I object to the pro High Elf community trying to pretend she is far more than what she is though, simply because she is the sole Alliance High Elf of any note left.

[elbleuet]

I do know what High Elves are, they are on the race page in the WOW official webpage, you should check it.
If you like i can leave the link here so you can clarify your doubts.

Yea gimme that link please

And Alleria already has more heft within the Alliance than Veressa ever did, given how Alleria is a racial leader with a seat at the top table. Just as the Void Elves have supplanted Alliance High Elves as the thalassians of the Alliance, so has the far more interesting and developed Alleria supplanted her little sister.

There's no "seat at the top table", only influencial leaders.
Vereesa has been more involved in Alliance affairs than Tyrande, Malfurion or Asia were for example.

She defended Theramore, the Ghostland, joined the Night elves in Suramar, was doing some bad job in Dalaran, and hunted down some demons in Argus.
What did Lor'Thewho do?

Not bad for a racial leader of a non playable race.

Even if Void elves are far more showed than high elves - and that's a really good thing if you ask me since Void elves are what blood elves used to be instead of the boring light elves they are now - high elves will always remain one of the 2 thalassian groups of the Alliance.

And no I'm sorry Obelisk Kai, but blood elves are former High elves and they identify themselves as such. Sorry sorry

[Obelisk Kai]

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I have to ask, why do you go to the bother of removing the quote text which sends me a notification that you have replied?

Is it an attempt to get the last word?

If you don't want to debate, simply don't respond to my posts.

[Aldo Hawk]

Undead have Warriors and priests, can they be Paladins also?

'Irony'?

https://wow.gamepedia.com/Leonid_Barthalomew WAS a Paladin. And he considers his undeath as an illness to cure. He still believes in the light but cannot wield it's powers due to his new state.

https://wow.gamepedia.com/Sir_Zeliek The ONLY undead paladin who -suffered- in the use of the light. He would have killed himself over time if he didn't ended raided.

Undead priests use shadow magic, holy is there for -gameplay- reasons as draenei have shadow.

Using that phrase as some kind of pointing to 'irony' is ironic in itself... it's so clueless that i can't believe you tried to diminish what i said by that.

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I don't get all this Helves bonner, they are a thing, they are ingame and they are in the Horde.

They are a thing, they are in game, and they are not horde.

This is such low quality bait...

[Ferg]

The fact that this thread is 558 pages long is a testament to just how much the WoW community loves to argue with each other over fairly unimportant stuff.

[Ielenia]

I believe Blizzard counted Alleria's story as the Void Elf story, as her arc in 7.3 was the tale of how the first Void Elf came to be. And Alleria most definitely had a role in Legion.

It doesn't count. For a few reasons. First, because none of the void elves existed before the BfA pre-patch. Alleria was a "lone wolf" of sorts. Second, because the void elves' inception had nothing to do with Alleria. The two arrived at (roughly) the same 'status' through different, unrelated means.

She wasn't the one who brought the means of "void-i-fication" to Azeroth. She did not convince the blood elves to become void elves. It was merely chance that brought them together.

That's like saying Teron Gorefiend counts as the player Death Knight's lore... when we know they're only related by name.

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I don't get all this Helves bonner, they are a thing, they are ingame and they are in the Horde.

They're not. Blood elves are in the Horde, and playable. High elves are in the Alliance, and not playable.

[FlubberPuddy]

As previously established, thalassian elven eye colour is mutable and Veressa is biologically identical to every other thalassian elf who isn't a Void Elf (who are now biologically distinct). If she can manifest purple/pink eyes due to casting Arcane shot, then so should every thalassian elf. And yes, any Alliance High Elf with a sufficient faith in the light should be able to manifest golden eyes as they share the same connection to the Sunwell Blood Elf Paladins do.

I mean, this can be repeated over and over, but until we see it in action it's just player headcanon/assumption. By that I mean, until we see High Elves manifesting Golden Eyes like Blood Elves do, or Vereesa's violet there from an allegedly Arcane Shot going to some Blood Elves then as it stands from what developers have stated: Blood Elves are the only ones to be having Golden Eyes based on where their story is now.

For instance it's constantly only some players that bring up the Sunwell being both arcane and holy, and while that is mentioned in Chronicles, when it comes to dev talk specifically, that arcane bit is never mentioned. Only the Light based Sunwell is commented on through the game and the developers. Judging my developer commentary, the arcane portion must not have any significance for developers to continually leave it out. As I'm sure some would state the same way developers speak of High Elves.

[HeiAggra]

Yea gimme that link please

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/game/races/blood-elf
There you go!

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They're not. Blood elves are in the Horde, and playable. High elves are in the Alliance, and not playable.

Read also the link from the armory.

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They are a thing, they are in game, and they are not horde.
This is such low quality bait...

Same too you read the race link.

Let me just shed some light here, i hope it helps. Ah the source is the link above. WOW offical website

"Vengeful Outsiders

For nearly 7,000 years, high elven society centered on the sacred Sunwell, a magical fount that was created using a vial of pure arcane energy from the first Well of Eternity. Nourished and strengthened by the Sunwell’s potent energies, the high elves’ enchanted kingdom of Quel’Thalas prospered within the verdant forests north of Lordaeron.
Blood Elf History

During the Third War, however, the high elves were nearly scoured from Azeroth. Led by the death knight Arthas, a Scourge army stormed into Quel’Thalas, slaughtering almost ninety percent of the kingdom’s population. Arthas then used the mystical Sunwell to resurrect the fallen necromancer Kel’Thuzad, irrevocably tainting the fount in the process.

Fearing that the befouled well would obliterate his dwindling race, Prince Kael’thas Sunstrider gathered a group of Quel’Thalas’s defenders and destroyed the fount to avert catastrophe. Although the high elves were spared from continued exposure to the Sunwell’s dark energies, in the fount’s absence they suffered terribly from withdrawal. As a result, Kael’thas desperately searched for a means to help his people—whom he had renamed the blood elves."

And don't start with the Fel bla bla bla because they were renamed after the attack on Quel'thalas and not after starting to use the fel magic to help with the addiction to arcane magic.

[elbleuet]

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/game/races/blood-elf
There you go!

Yea that's what I thought... Blood elves... not High elves but nice try.

Next step you're gonna say that Void elves are Blood elves ?

[EntertainmentNihilist]

Here's a suggestion, and how I would implement high elves if I were God-Emperor of blizzard:

1. Aside from the different eye-color, give alliance high elves hair style options that blood elves don't have, and don't give them all of the blood elves hair styles. The same could also apply to faces. Essentially, give both races distinct customization options. There can be overlap, but there should be some difference.

2. Since Silver Covenant elves are more "pure" than blood elves, how about giving them different class options as well. Maybe high elves can't be warlocks or death knights, but have learned shamanism from the wildhammer dwarves and/or druidism from the night elves.

3. Make them an allied race that you unlock by doing a bunch of interesting stuff for the silver covenant.

4. Obviously, give them distinct racials. Maybe something involving stabilizing your mana, given their victory over magic addiction. Say, an active racial that temporarily reduces mana costs.

5. Give Blood elves and High elves more eye colors that don't overlap. Blood elves get multiple shades of green, yellow, orange, and red. High elves get shades of blue, pink, and purple.

How many people would be happy with this solution?

[Obelisk Kai]

But... They are?!

If Void Elves = Blood Elves according to you, and Blood Elves = High Elves according to Blizzard, then the logical conclusion is that Void Elves = High Elves and that that is the issue sorted with no further changes required because Void Elves must be acceptable.

If on the other hand Void Elves are not acceptable, then they cannot be identical to Blood Elves as Blood Elves are identical to High Elves.

The final idea that Void Elves and Blood Elves are identical, and Alliance High Elves are the ones who are different, is of course not worthy of discussion due to Void Elves having a completely different colour scheme and optional hair tentacles.

[HeiAggra]

Yea that's what I thought... Blood elves... not High elves but nice try.

Next step you're gonna say that Void elves are Blood elves ?

OMG that is what i call being selective reader hahaha
Face it High Elves and Blood Elves are the same.
As far as Void Elves go, yes they are Belfs that were messing with the Void.

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If Void Elves = Blood Elves according to you, and Blood Elves = High Elves according to Blizzard, then the logical conclusion is that Void Elves = High Elves and that that is the issue sorted with no further changes required because Void Elves must be acceptable.

If on the other hand Void Elves are not acceptable, then they cannot be identical to Blood Elves as Blood Elves are identical to High Elves.

The final idea that Void Elves and Blood Elves are identical, and Alliance High Elves are the ones who are different, is of course not worthy of discussion due to Void Elves having a completely different colour scheme and optional hair tentacles.

No point Kai they have no salvation.
Selective blindness is their problem

[Obelisk Kai]

It doesn't count. For a few reasons. First, because none of the void elves existed before the BfA pre-patch. Alleria was a "lone wolf" of sorts. Second, because the void elves' inception had nothing to do with Alleria. The two arrived at (roughly) the same 'status' through different, unrelated means.

She wasn't the one who brought the means of "void-i-fication" to Azeroth. She did not convince the blood elves to become void elves. It was merely chance that brought them together.

That's like saying Teron Gorefiend counts as the player Death Knight's lore... when we know they're only related by name..

I am glad you admit that Alleria arrived at her Void Elf status through different, unrelated means, as many pro High Elfers who seek the aesthetics have sought to portray Alleria as the template upon which they wish other Void Elves would follow, i.e. a toggle between a Void Elf form and an apparently normal Blood/High Elf form. This admits that Alleria's unique capabilities in this regard are a consequence of her unique transformation and that it cannot be used as a template for future Void Elves.

Leaving that aside, Alleria cannot be so neatly divorced from the rest of the Void Elves as Teron Gorefiend can be divorced from modern Death Knights. While there is a parallel in that Gorefiend type Death Knights are entirely separate from Scourge Death Knights, there similarities end. Gorefiend never had any interaction with the Death Knights of the Scourge after all, Alleria is the Void Elf racial leader and mentor.

It is appropriate to regard the Void Elf storyline as having it's genesis with Alleria. In fact the polygon interview with Moorgard on Allied races, the one that affirmed that Void Elves can convert other Elves, stated that as a fact 'With Alleria Windrunner’s story being an internal success on Argus, the team saw it as the opportunity for a new twist on elves'.

As such, there was Void Elf participation in Legion even if it was a singular Void Elf, the first Void Elf.

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I mean, this can be repeated over and over, but until we see it in action it's just player headcanon/assumption. By that I mean, until we see High Elves manifesting Golden Eyes like Blood Elves do, or Vereesa's violet there from an allegedly Arcane Shot going to some Blood Elves then as it stands from what developers have stated: Blood Elves are the only ones to be having Golden Eyes based on where their story is now.

For instance it's constantly only some players that bring up the Sunwell being both arcane and holy, and while that is mentioned in Chronicles, when it comes to dev talk specifically, that arcane bit is never mentioned. Only the Light based Sunwell is commented on through the game and the developers. Judging my developer commentary, the arcane portion must not have any significance for developers to continually leave it out. As I'm sure some would state the same way developers speak of High Elves.

Alliance High Elves are biologically identical to Blood Elves, and this includes the addiction to magic. Alliance High Elves ALSO sate this addiction by drawing magic from the Sunwell, the same as the Blood Elves and which was confirmed in 'In the shadow of the sun'. The golden eyes are currently manifested by Paladins and Priest NPCs in game, the logical inference being that their propensity to wield the light has sped up the manifestation of their golden eyes, which is also attributed to the light based sunwell.

Alliance High Elves are comprised of two main groups. The first are the few mages of the Kirin Tor or civilians who remained behind in Dalaran after the majority either a.) went home with Kael'thas following the fall of the city (and then returned as the Sunreavers) or b.) emigrated to Kalimdor alongside Jaina where they likely ended up on the business end of the mana bomb. The second, and seemingly larger group, are the former Farstriders who either rejected Quel'thalas' isolationism after the Second War or who reverted to calling themselves high elves after they rejected Rommath's teachings (which means that the inhabitants of Quel'lithien lodge must have called themselves Blood Elves for a time before reverting to the former name, showing just how minor a difference it truly is). An extrapolation of this could be that, given the Alliance High Elves extremely low population numbers, there simply aren't enough Paladins or Priests who have manifested the golden eyes.

The real reason of course is that Blizzard gives Alliance High Elf npcs unique blue eyed skins when creating an Alliance High Elf npc and doesn't seem to be too bothered about popping in the odd golden eyed one, particularly as in game only Blood Elf Paladins have those eyes consistently and Alliance High Elf npcs tend to be Mages or Hunters.

But to presume that Alliance High Elves cannot have golden eyes is not headcanon. It is a consequence of how they sate their addiction, using the holy based energy of the Sunwell. Alliance High Elves are biologically identical to Blood Elves, and if Blood Elves can manifest golden eyes, so can Alliance High Elves.

As for 'leaving out the arcane' part when discussing the Sunwell, the fact it is mentioned in online sources and chronicles is enough. If someone says the water was cold, does the water stop being wet because they neglected to mention that quality? The Sunwell does have an Arcane component within it, and we shall see what Blizzard does with that fact should they ever offer an advanced eye colour customization to all races, something Ion was pretty open about that they were considering as one of the easier customization choices to offer.

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OMG that is what i call being selective reader hahaha
Face it High Elves and Blood Elves are the same.

Ofc they're the same since they are the same race.

What's your point ?

A high elf is a blue-eyed, Alliance elf. A blood elf is a fel tainted, Horde elf.

as far as Void Elves go, yes they are Belfs that were messing with the Void.

From this logic blood elves are just Night elves that were messing too far with arcane magic.

[Ielenia]

Read also the link from the armory.

I'm sorry, you seem to have put the wrong link in your post. Those are blood elves, not high elves. All it says about high elves is their ancestry. It even says, there, how they rebranded themselves, splintering off the remaining few high elves.

If "ancestry" is all that counts, then nightborne are night elves. What baiters like you fail to realize-- actually, no. You know too well, just willfully ignore-- is that when we're talking about high elves, we're not talking about the ones that renamed themselves "blood elves".

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I am glad you admit that Alleria arrived at her Void Elf status through different, unrelated means, as many pro High Elfers who seek the aesthetics have sought to portray Alleria as the template upon which they wish other Void Elves would follow, i.e. a toggle between a Void Elf form and an apparently normal Blood/High Elf form. This admits that Alleria's unique capabilities in this regard are a consequence of her unique transformation and that it cannot be used as a template for future Void Elves.

Those two aren't mutually exclusive, y'know? You're the one that says void elves can 'convert' other elves into void elves, so I'd assume they found a way to (relatively) safely convert other elves, instead of having they undergo the exact same chaotic process Umbric's original group went through. A more controlled process could be used to diminish the physical effects of the conversion.

Leaving that aside, Alleria cannot be so neatly divorced from the rest of the Void Elves as Teron Gorefiend can be divorced from modern Death Knights. While there is a parallel in that Gorefiend type Death Knights are entirely separate from Scourge Death Knights, there similarities end. Gorefiend never had any interaction with the Death Knights of the Scourge after all, Alleria is the Void Elf racial leader and mentor.

She can, actually. Because she's not the cause for the creation of the void elves. She may be more linked to the void elves than Teron is to the death knights, but still she was not the one who made the blood elves into void elves or anything.

It is appropriate to regard the Void Elf storyline as having it's genesis with Alleria. In fact the polygon interview with Moorgard on Allied races, the one that affirmed that Void Elves can convert other Elves, stated that as a fact 'With Alleria Windrunner’s story being an internal success on Argus, the team saw it as the opportunity for a new twist on elves'.

This paragraph implies that your quote from Moorgard is what implies that void elves can convert others. If that's your intention, I'm sorry to say that, no, that quote doesn't mean that.

As such, there was Void Elf participation in Legion even if it was a singular Void Elf, the first Void Elf.

Sorry, man. But there wasn't. Alleria doesn't count. She wouldn't even consider herself a 'void elf' until after she rescued Umbric and his group.

[Aldo Hawk]

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This is a big load of bullshit.

Or you don't understand what's being discussed or you deliberately put context apart. Seriously, you are not discovering to anyone that Blood elves are High elves.

Is not my problem that certain people have such fragile egos that they think their Blood elves will loose their 'snowflakery' so they feel threatened by it.

When you all damn know that High elves are Alliance, you goddamn know it. And that's what's being requested, for an Alliance member to become playable.

[FlubberPuddy]

The real reason of course is that Blizzard gives Alliance High Elf npcs unique blue eyed skins when creating an Alliance High Elf npc and doesn't seem to be too bothered about popping in the odd golden eyed one, particularly as in game only Blood Elf Paladins have those eyes consistently and Alliance High Elf npcs tend to be Mages or Hunters.

We can see from Hearthstone that in their newest expansion since Blood Elves getting Golden Eyes, various Blood Elf NPCs/characters have been updated to Golden Eyes. Just Blood Elves, not any of the High Elves.





As you can see, these are neither priests nor paladins. It's the Dalaran flightmaster as well as some random Blood Elf Ranger.

Hearthstone follows the broad strokes of WoW lore, while it may implement its own neat things like Vereesa with Thoridal and a Gnome Paladin. It still keeps consistent
more often than not.

Clearly they had to go-ahead here to give those characters Golden Eyes, as the other things they implemented. Meaning you're partly right that it's due to Blizzard not being bothered to update certain characters, but it's interesting to note again that even here in Hearthstone it is only the Blood Elves who are manifesting those Golden Eyes.

So across all Warcraft-related media, my point still stands: We have yet to see a High Elf manifest these Golden Eyes. Until there is an example, then my presumption is correct - High Elves won't be getting Golden Eyes because they're not the same as Blood Elves.

But to presume that Alliance High Elves cannot have golden eyes is not headcanon.

I know it's not headcanon thanks! Jk you probably meant to write "can have golden eyes is not headcanon".

As for 'leaving out the arcane' part when discussing the Sunwell, the fact it is mentioned in online sources and chronicles is enough. If someone says the water was cold, does the water stop being wet because they neglected to mention that quality? The Sunwell does have an Arcane component within it, and we shall see what Blizzard does with that fact should they ever offer an advanced eye colour customization to all races, something Ion was pretty open about that they were considering as one of the easier customization choices to offer.

You are one such that likes to use developer statements as a form of reiteration of past comments, therefore I'm just doing the same. Developer commentary has only ever spoken about the Sunwell being Light-based and its importance to the Blood Elves. If the importance of the arcane bit of the Sunwell can't even be mentioned then it must not have a big part to play, just as others tout how 4 NPCs of High Elves isn't representation of much importance at all, or how others tout "devs continually state that High Elves cannot work".

Well then, the developers also continually state the Light of the Sunwell when discussing it, even Liadrin comments on its Light based nature as recently as the end of Legion (I think in Nightborne recruitment scenario). That must mean the arcane portion isn't important if it can't get a mention, just as how High Elf representation isn't brought up or "shown enough" or "just being there doesn't equal importance" to some peeps arguments.

Arcane might be in the Sunwell, but we have yet to see any proof of 1) its importance and 2) how much arcane is in the Sunwell. We see Fel cleansed by the Light, we have not seen Arcane cleanse Fel nor Light. No developer nor in-game commentary supports this.

Mention of eye color customization doesn't mean much until we see how it's implemented. Do you fore Night Elves getting extra eye colors aside from the Gold and Silver? What about races with only one eye color like Draenei? We have to see what Blizzard implements in it before commenting with presumptions.