Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[Obelisk Kai]

So you’re extremely against Alliance receiving any kind of “white elf” but have no issues that the purple elf trope unique on Alliance got placed on Horde. You have no issue that another kind of purple elf (Void Elves) got placed into the Alliance. Very hypocritical of you. And explains what it’s really about to you. Everything else is just dressing.

Your issue seems to be that you expect Blood Elves to stay as the sole “white elf” in the game. When Blizzard has shown to add 2 more purple variations.

Well I guess we’ll see how long this holds up for in the game’s future.

The reason I used the term 'white elf' is my long expressed belief that the aesthetic is what is behind this rather a true commitment to lore. And I have ample evidence to back this up given the number of pro High Elfers who on the one hand decry Void Elf lore yet on the other would be quite happy a 'High Elf' like skin on Void Elves. Which we all know to mean 'white' and not 'blue/purple'.

Other fantasy universes tend to have multiple 'white skinned' Elves and one blue skinned elf race. It usually makes for a traditional trinity of High Elf, Wood Elf and Dark Elf. Except in this fantasy universe, Blizzard combined the wood elves and the dark elves into one group, removing one of the white skinned analogues.

As for purple elves being on the Horde, Nightborne are more a of very dark blue rather than a purple. They are profoundly different in tone than a Night Elf in most cases, with only a single pale tone on each model being vaguely similar (and used in Riversong's image for that reason, to reduce the differences).

Void Elves on the other hand have mostly gray skin tones, with one that is blue tinged and another that is blue that is gray tinged.

I would define Night Elves as pink and purple, Nightborne as blue and Void Elves as mostly gray elves. Coupled with Blood/High Elves, the four groups have distinct colour palettes. No group replicates the palette set of another at all.

As for accepting Blood Elves to stay the sole 'white elf' in the game, that is an easy expectation because they are. Alliance High Elves are not different from Blood Elves. As such, even if they were to be made playable, it wouldn't be a new race or group that is distinct in a meaningful way, it would be the same race as Blood Elves.

The 'two more purple variations' are at least variations, which of course is why they were able to be included.

- - - Updated - - -

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wo...e/198391/1145?

Do someone finds something familiar in that link?

Yup, whelp, seems like we have a case of a true echo chamber in here.

Hmm looks like she is quoting me as she describes it as my 'critique'. What is your point?

The pro High Elf community has a manifesto does it not? I've not seen it quoted for a while but it's supposedly a document that documents the pro High Elf 'case'? The development of a common body of evidence on a topic that has run this long is not unexpected.

If Starlagosa wishes to quote what I say here she is more than welcome to do so.

Fyrebusche in that thread seems to be directly taking my statements and copy/pasting them though. I am not so keen on that, some of them are out of context.

- - - Updated - - -

Just face it. The Thalassian silhouette was, and is already Alliance.

It always was. Now it's playable.

It's a matter of time that they add the High elves that have always been with the Alliance by lore and gameplay.

By that logic because the Horde now has Nightborne we should expect Night Elves.

That logic is nonsensical. You have no evidence that it is just a matter of time. Stating it is just a matter of time merely feeds into the same mistake, that if you keep at it they will give in.

The CM/GM was clear that they are under no obligation to agree with you, no matter how long your argue for this. They already know how much you want it. And they gave you Void Elves.

[FlubberPuddy]

The 'two more purple variations' are at least variations, which of course is why they were able to be included.

Don't want to get into all the above because as I've said my attention is waning, but if we can variations on purple, do you not think we could have variations on "white"?

Lore for an Alliance High Elf is very much covered. If the issue is, visually looking like a blood elf, then just create a variation of white. If it can be done with various colors of purple shown by Nightborne and Void Elves, then it sure can be done with Alliance High Elves, could it not?

I'll give some examples: Humans, Dwarves, Gnomes, Kul Tirans, and Blood Elves. All share "white aesthetic" to varying degrees, but they all have slightly different hues to each of them making them distinct from one another.

Humans look more to have yellowish hue:


Dwarves more earthy, Gnomes more pink/pale:


Kul Tiran more of a bronze/sandy look:


Blood Elves more of red undertones:


These are all "white skins" yet look how varied Blizzard has gotten. Same as for their three purple skin elves.

- - - Updated - - -

What did you play primarily?

Excuse this for being long.

I've never had an actual main in WoW. Always jumped around because of the race/class combo restrictions. I don't know if I'm the only one like this, but given it's very easy to find posts about "anyone else keep making alts" "have trouble finding a main", I do not think I am unique in this regard.

First when I began WoW, I liked the Night Elves. So my very first character ever on a 10-day trial was a Night Elf Rogue.

When I actually subscribed with a friend, I wanted to be more of a caster class, but my friend already picked Mage and I didn't want to be the same as him so I went with a Warlock. Didn't want to play a small Gnome, so I made a Human Warlock as my first character I got to level cap. This was in Wrath.

Then after that, I wasn't really feeling it, I was wanting a more "melee/magic hybrid class", like a sword fighter who wields magic. People recommended Shaman, at the time only Draenei could be Shaman so that became my next level cap character in Cataclysm.

After that I quit a long while, just couldn't decide what to play, wished the High Elves were playable. Tried to get into playing a Blood Elf once my friend quit, thinking that this is the closest to the High Elf race if I wanted to go by my most favorite race. Couldn't get into it at all, and didn't enjoy the Horde aesthetic at all, just quit the game totally for not being able to have fun with any of the race/class combos.

When I came back to the game it was because my friend who quit said they are releasing Demonhunters, I was surprised. Illidan was my favorite WoW character. A demonhunter is a hybrid magic/melee class and can be a night elf.

Played it a lot in Legion, had lots of fun with it, but then realized they were pretty shallow in terms of flavorful fun non-combat abilities, like how mages get slowfall/dks with waterwalk/druids and the utility of their forms etc. Nothing but combat focus for the DH.

My mindset by then also changed into enjoying playing supporting roles. Found out Paladins still had some buff abilities (as Ret in Legion), so around the time Nighthold was out, I switched to a Human Paladin and played and enjoyed the rest of Legion with that.

Come BFA, seeing all the race focus, making me wish for High Elves again, getting those feelings of limitation on race/class combos again and I actually find Humans very boring to play in RPGs (it's just they're the nicest looking Paladins on Alliance imo, dislike Dwarves even more, and don't like how bulky Draenei look).

So I haven't really "primarily played" a set character in my WoW history ever.

[Obelisk Kai]

Don't want to get into all the above because as I've said my attention is waning, but if we can variations on purple, do you not think we could have variations on "white"?

Lore for an Alliance High Elf is very much covered. If the issue is, visually looking like a blood elf, then just create a variation of white. If it can be done with various colors of purple shown by Nightborne and Void Elves, then it sure can be done with Alliance High Elves, could it not?

I'll give some examples: Humans, Dwarves, Gnomes, Kul Tirans, and Blood Elves. All share "white aesthetic" to varying degrees, but they all have slightly different hues to each of them making them distinct from one another.

Except as I have pointed out, Void Elves, Nightborne and Night Elves are not really variations of purple. One is gray, one is blue and one is purple. And each of these three groups have reasons for being distinct. For Night Elves, it is that they are the original elves. For Void Elves it is because they got blasted by void energies. For Nightborne it is because they were isolated for ten thousand years under the radiance of the Nightwell.

Alliance High Elves are not a variant. They are exactly the same race as Blood Elves and the 'lore' you cite is really just their political disagreement with the Blood Elves.
Therefore they cannot be differentiated, as any 'different' tones you attempt to provide to them would also be available to Blood Elves. This is the core flaw in your argument. You are attempting to prove they are a different race when the fact they are the same race as Blood Elves is the problem.

Void Elves exist as an answer to this dilemma, a specific variant of high elves that is distinct enough not to undermine the integrity of the Horde or the identity of the Blood Elves. As someone not keen on their existence, I at least appreciate the elegance of the compromise they represent.

[matrix123mko]

Except as I have pointed out, Void Elves, Nightborne and Night Elves are not really variations of purple. One is gray, one is blue and one is purple. And each of these three groups have reasons for being distinct. For Night Elves, it is that they are the original elves. For Void Elves it is because they got blasted by void energies. For Nightborne it is because they were isolated for ten thousand years under the radiance of the Nightwell.

Void elves are blue too.

- - - Updated - - -

For all people who think Quel'dorei look exactly like Sin'dorei:

There is much more difference between them than just eye color.

[Aldo Hawk]

Hmm looks like she is quoting me as she describes it as my 'critique'. What is your point?

Do I have to tell? Don't you see the same messages about the same subject? Isn't it an echo chamber?

HMMM... Seems like some only sees the neighbor's garbage instead of their own

The pro High Elf community has a manifesto does it not?

If you want to believe that this text is somewhat of a political support for a case or something that moves people in one direction you are being too delusional at this point.

Fyrebusche in that thread seems to be directly taking my statements and copy/pasting them though. I am not so keen on that, some of them are out of context.

Saying they are out of context do not make it less of an echo chamber of ideas. There's lots of repetition of the same points and confirmation bias.

But of course, as i said, some only sees the neighbor's garbage instead of their own.

By that logic because the Horde now has Nightborne we should expect Night Elves.

Ah yes, the good ol' Night elves of the horde.

Come on

[Doffen]

Except as I have pointed out, Void Elves, Nightborne and Night Elves are not really variations of purple. One is gray, one is blue and one is purple. And each of these three groups have reasons for being distinct. For Night Elves, it is that they are the original elves.

Void Elves are blue. There are very few gray Void Elves out there, and the dark blue skin-color void elves have is very similar to the blue the Nightborne got. Nightborne also got one gray variant, wich again is very similar to the one grey Void Elf. The undertone of the Void Elf skin color is blue, not gray.

The one who stands out here are the Night Elves who got a purple undertone, but they also got gray variants.


In summary, no one are really that different from the other, except maybe Night Elves, just a tad.

[FlubberPuddy]

Except as I have pointed out, Void Elves, Nightborne and Night Elves are not really variations of purple. One is gray, one is blue and one is purple.

You keep posting like this as if you personally get to decide this. The game developers have written them all as purple Elves.

There is a quest for Alliance that asks us to kill Nightborne in BFA labeled “Not our purple elves” with the quest giver commenting on how “these elves are purple but they aren’t ours”.

That’s Blizzard labeling Nightborne as purple elves. So they are purple elves as far as official Blizzard statements go.

For Void Elves, during a Children’s Week a little Kul Tiras orphan has broadcast text where he asks you “why are Void Elves purple, did they hold their breath too long?” Or something like that.

That’s Blizzard labeling Void Elves as purple elves too. Again, as far as official Blizzard labels go, Void Elves are also purple elves.

And then Night Elves, the OG of the purple elves in the game. There was a very recent interview with Sam Didier that explained how Night Elves were a hard sell because everyone was used to Tolkien like elves, and all they did was make them purple. Or something like that.

Another official Blizzard statement that is including Night Elves being purple.

I can go and dig up evidence of each of those for you, but I have already posted them in the thread before. I am also replying by phone right now. Unless you didn’t see them back then because I was on ignore by you, I can’t understand why you keep trying to rationalize that these three distinct playable elves are not purple.

You are going against official Blizzard statements by doing so. If your argument logic is we must 100% believe every official Blizzard statement, as well as what’s in-game, then you should be abiding by those instances that the developers have labeled all 3 as purple elves.

And this isn’t even going into how Void Elves and Blood Elves are of the same race but Blood Elves don’t get access to the hairstyles and beards that Void Elves have.

Same for Dark Irons and Bronzebeard. Zandalari and Darkspear. Mag’har and Orgrimmar Orcs. Lightforged and Regular Draenei. All these races are still the same race, none have hairstyles, skin tones, accessories that the other has.

[Obelisk Kai]

Do I have to tell? Don't you see the same messages about the same subject? Isn't it an echo chamber?

HMMM... Seems like some only sees the neighbor's garbage instead of their own


If you want to believe that this text is somewhat of a political support for a case or something that moves people in one direction you are being too delusional at this point.


Saying they are out of context do not make it less of an echo chamber of ideas. There's lots of repetition of the same points and confirmation bias.

But of course, as i said, some only sees the neighbor's garbage instead of their own.

No, it's not an echo chamber and it makes me realise you misunderstand what an echo chamber is.

The whole point of an echo chamber is that the only voices you hear are those that agree with you, that rather than your ideas being challenged by alternative viewpoints all that occurs is that your existing point of view is reinforced.

Almost by definition the High Elf Discord IS an echo chamber. It's a place where people who want Alliance High Elves can congregate and discuss the topic among themselves. There is nothing wrong with that, but it IS an echo chamber.

In contrast, those posting here on MMO Champion or on the official forums are not engaged in an echo chamber because the topics they are posting in have contrasting view points. One poster reusing points made by another poster is perfectly fine in other words, there aren't an infinite number of reasons to argue against Alliance High Elves so any anti High Elfer is entitled to use the arguments made by another.

Basically, your entire complaint here makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. This isn't an example of an echo chamber and people are entitled to draw on other people's arguments if they agree with them.

- - - Updated - - -

snip

That's a Night Elf Highborne and so completely irrelevant to the discussion at hand.

- - - Updated - - -

snip.

To be fair if you wanted to preach respecting developer word you could finally accept that Blood Elves are High Elves, High Elves are playable and that Void Elves are a compromise.

That you don't want to do that is fine, but please don't lecture others about respecting what the developers say and do. Everyone can see how each of the three groups can be classed as purple, but you really have to stretch the definition of purple quite wide in order to accommodate that. Within that spectrum they are quite easily distinguishable into gray, blue and pink-purple.

[enigma77]

You're not getting High Elves.

[Ielenia]

To be fair if you wanted to preach respecting developer word you could finally accept that Blood Elves are High Elves, High Elves are playable (1) and that Void Elves are a compromise. (2)

(1) Except they are not. There is no "high elf" race option in the character creation screen on the Alliance side.
(2) Except they are not. And calling them so demonstrates an abysmal disconnect with what the pro-high elf community have been asking for.

If your friend heads to the kitchen, and you ask him to bring you a beer on his way back, would you consider it a compromise if he instead brought you a glass of water and said "I didn't want to bring you a beer, so I decided to compromise and bring you a glass of water." And yes, there is beer in the fridge.

[FlubberPuddy]

To be fair if you wanted to preach respecting developer word you could finally accept that Blood Elves are High Elves, High Elves are playable and that Void Elves are a compromise.

That you don't want to do that is fine, but please don't lecture others about respecting what the developers say and do. Everyone can see how each of the three groups can be classed as purple, but you really have to stretch the definition of purple quite wide in order to accommodate that. Within that spectrum they are quite easily distinguishable into gray, blue and pink-purple.

I am being fair, please re-read this part you quoted and snipped:

If your argument logic is we must 100% believe every official Blizzard statement, as well as what’s in-game, then you should be abiding by those instances that the developers have labeled all 3 as purple elves.

So if your argument logic is that we must 100% believe official Blizzard statements. Which is how you have been arguing for all this time until recently. Then recently, it's very strange of you to go against official Blizzard statements and rationalize your own conclusion. Because them 3 all being purple elves is supported by official Blizzard statements.

I can very well lecture you on it, because you're no longer being consistent with your argumentative logic. This is a great example of pick one:

1) Believe all Blizzard statements are 100% correct.

2) Believe some Blizzard statements are correct, others are not.

By trying to keep rationalizing "you really have to stretch the definition of purple wide in order to accommodate that. Within that spectrum they are quite easily distinguishable into gray, blue, and pink-purple" you are picking option 2) whereas you have always argued and tried to convince others of option 1).

So which is it, do you believe the developer statements that Nightborne, Void Elves, and Nightelves are purple elves, or not?

That is the question you're avoiding answering.

I can lecture others on it because my arguing logic has always been consistent: Some Blizzard statements miss the point and thus need correcting by the community.

That's how I've always argued.

Everyone can see how each of the three groups can be classed as purple

And my original question to you was, if each of these three groups can be classified as purple but look varied, why can the same not be done with white between two groups?

Another question you avoided to answer, and didn't even include in your recent response.

[Aldo Hawk]

Snip.

If you honestly believe that because the discussion is taking place in a public space it is not an echo chamber or that it can't derive into confirmation bias I suggest you to reconsider that.

The HE discord is public by the way, everyone is invited to go there and discuss with contrary ideas. So if your stance is that it is an echo chamber because it's some kind of a private club... you are totally incorrect.

And yes, we ban people from there, obviously, as any healthy community does, trolls (by definition) and flamewars aren't tolerated.

- - - Updated - - -

And my original question to you was, if each of these three groups can be classified as purple but look varied, why can the same not be done with white between two groups?

Another question you avoided to answer, and didn't even include in your recent response.

There's no point in this, it's a pure red herring to derive discussion into a literal 'golden or blue dress' argument instead of facing common knowledge.

[Obelisk Kai]

If you honestly believe that because the discussion is taking place in a public space it is not an echo chamber or that it can't derive into confirmation bias I suggest you to reconsider that.

The HE discord is public by the way, everyone is invited to go there and discuss with contrary ideas. So if your stance is that it is an echo chamber because it's some kind of a private club... you are totally incorrect.

And yes, we ban people from there, obviously, as any healthy community does, trolls (by definition) and flamewars aren't tolerated.

If we have to go to the dictionary,

"an environment in which a person encounters only beliefs or opinions that coincide with their own, so that their existing views are reinforced and alternative ideas are not considered."

Primarily the High Elf discord is almost certainly that. Whilst you may tell yourself that it is 'free and open' in truth it cannot be, as it is dominated by pro High Elfers. There is nothing wrong with the pro High Elf discord being an echo chamber, not everything needs to be a forum of debate, but it IS an echo chamber.

And yes, the fact that the discussion you are critiquing is taking place in a public space de facto means it is not an echo chamber. I can see pro and anti High Elfers throughout that thread arguing back and forth meaning people are encountering different beliefs and opinions and their existing views are being continually challenged.

Are you really going to insist a public forum is an echo chamber whereas a niche discord predominantly populated by those who agree with your goal isn't?

[Aldo Hawk]

If you are constantly finding confirmative statements to your position while not acknowledging anything that comes from a contrary perspective, (even supporting cuestionable arguments because it goes against what you debate), it's a form of confirmation bias, which is the base concept of what an echo chamber is. And you are not alone in doing this.

And yes, the discord is public for wherever who wants to enter. We never banned anyone just for being against.

But what a surprise, seems that it's hard to find people against the request that doesn't end up being dismissive or directly trolling.

[FlubberPuddy]

Are you really going to insist a public forum is an echo chamber?

It's what that Forum GM insinuated a couple pages back here.

[Obelisk Kai]

I am being fair, please re-read this part you quoted and snipped:


So if your argument logic is that we must 100% believe official Blizzard statements. Which is how you have been arguing for all this time until recently. Then recently, it's very strange of you to go against official Blizzard statements and rationalize your own conclusion. Because them 3 all being purple elves is supported by official Blizzard statements.

I can very well lecture you on it, because you're no longer being consistent with your argumentative logic. This is a great example of pick one:

1) Believe all Blizzard statements are 100% correct.

2) Believe some Blizzard statements are correct, others are not.

By trying to keep rationalizing "you really have to stretch the definition of purple wide in order to accommodate that. Within that spectrum they are quite easily distinguishable into gray, blue, and pink-purple" you are picking option 2) whereas you have always argued and tried to convince others of option 1).

So which is it, do you believe the developer statements that Nightborne, Void Elves, and Nightelves are purple elves, or not?

That is the question you're avoiding answering.

I can lecture others on it because my arguing logic has always been consistent: Some Blizzard statements miss the point and thus need correcting by the community.

That's how I've always argued.

If you really want a deep dive on this distraction, fine.

Void Elf skin tone ONE: Predominantly grey with a vague purple tinge. Extremities tend towards purple.
Void Elf skin tone TWO: Gray with a strong blue tinge. Extremities again tend towards purple
Void Elf skin tone THREE: Entirely grey, Dark grey extremities.
Void Elf skin tone FOUR: This is actually a dusky blue.
Void Elf skin tone FIVE: Predominantly dark grey, dark purple extremities.
Void Elf skin tone SIX: Light grey, almost white. Light purple extremities.

Conclusion: Most Void Elves have purple extremities (hands, feet) but the majority of their bodies are actually quite gray. Void Elves however do turn completely purple when their void form manifests. Purple is also the colour commonly associated with the void and is regularly associated with the void elves aesthetic. The description of Void Elves as purple therefore is not incorrect, but it is wildly incomplete.

Nightborne skin tone ONE: This is not purple at all. This is on the spectrum between gray and blue, more towards the blue end of that spectrum but still there. In no way can this be called purple. The eyes are purple.
Nightborne skin tone TWO: There is definitely a strong element of purple here in the skin but also a strong element of blue as well, it is hard to determine which one is stronger. The eyes are purple.
Nightborne skin tone THREE: This is grey, there might be a tinge of purple, but this is predominantly grey. The eyes are however purple.

Conclusion: Some Nightborne are justifiably called purple, but others would be better described as blue and still others described as gray. The colour purple however plays an outsized role in Nightborne aesthetics, their city is purple, their heritage armor is purple and their eyes are purple. Even their arcane runic tattoos are purple.
Calling them purple therefore is also not incorrect, but it is not the entire story.

Night Elf skin tone ONE: Light purple, bordering on pink.
Night Elf skin tone TWO: Darker purple.
Night Elf skin tone THREE: purple-gray
Night Elf skin tone FOUR: Gray with a blue tinge. This is the one closest to Nightborne skin tone ONE.
Night Elf skin tone FIVE: Dark Gray
Night Elf skin tone SIX: A less severe Dark gray.
Night Elf skin tone SEVEN: Almost a sepia tone.
Night Elf skin tone EIGHT: A less intense purple-pink
Night Elf skin tone NINE: A pretty intense purple.

Conclusion: Night Elves ARE most definitely purple elves. Except for those who are gray.

See the problem is you are focusing on only HALF of what I said. What are the two sources of Word of God? Developer commentary and the game itself. Here you don't even have developer commentary, you've in game quest text which is quite easily rationalised as in game characters generalising. But the in game character creator shows just how different these 'purple' elves are from each other so we also have the evidence of our own eyes.

Are they all purple? Nope, some of them are there though, and Void Elves and Nightborne both make use of vastly different shades of purple in their aesthetic. Enough that the description 'purple elves's is entirely apt.

And my original question to you was, if each of these three groups can be classified as purple but look varied, why can the same not be done with white between two groups?

Another question you avoided to answer, and didn't even include in your recent response.

And my original question to you was, if each of these three groups can be classified as purple but look varied, why can the same not be done with white between two groups?

Another question you avoided to answer, and didn't even include in your recent response.

I did answer it

And each of these three groups have reasons for being distinct. For Night Elves, it is that they are the original elves. For Void Elves it is because they got blasted by void energies. For Nightborne it is because they were isolated for ten thousand years under the radiance of the Nightwell.

Alliance High Elves are not a variant. They are exactly the same race as Blood Elves and the 'lore' you cite is really just their political disagreement with the Blood Elves.
Therefore they cannot be differentiated, as any 'different' tones you attempt to provide to them would also be available to Blood Elves. This is the core flaw in your argument. You are attempting to prove they are a different race when the fact they are the same race as Blood Elves is the problem.

Void Elves exist as an answer to this dilemma, a specific variant of high elves that is distinct enough not to undermine the integrity of the Horde or the identity of the Blood Elves. As someone not keen on their existence, I at least appreciate the elegance of the compromise they represent.

Again, Void Elves and Nightborne were differentiated for specific reasons.

Alliance High Elves cannot be, as they are the exact same as Blood Elves.

- - - Updated - - -

If you are constantly finding confirmative statements to your position while not acknowledging anything that comes from a contrary perspective, (even supporting cuestionable arguments because it goes against what you debate), it's a form of confirmation bias, which is the base concept of what an echo chamber is. And you are not alone in doing this.

You mean that discussion we had a while ago where I kept presenting tangible evidence and you kept presenting your opinion and for some mysterious reason I wasn't convinced by what you were saying?

Yeah that wasn't because I WASN'T acknowledging what you were putting forward, it was because what you were putting forward was your opinion rather than solid evidence.

That is not evidence that public forums are echo chambers. It's your opinion. Again.

And yes, the discord is public for wherever who wants to enter. We never banned anyone just for being against.

But what a surprise, seems that it's hard to find people against the request that doesn't end up being dismissive or directly trolling.

I would not be surprised to discover that directly trolling would be equivalent to not being convinced of the brilliance of your arguments after a period of time has elapsed. And the fact you admit it's 'hard to find people' implies that it isn't exactly a cockpit of debate between pros and antis.

[FlubberPuddy]

What are the two sources of Word of God? Developer commentary and the game itself. Here you don't even have developer commentary, you've in game quest text which is quite easily rationalised as in game characters generalising. But the in game character creator shows just how different these 'purple' elves are from each other so we also have the evidence of our own eyes.

You're being inconsistent again. You say there's two sources for Word of God, the developer commentary, and the game itself.

Then you go on to rationalize what's presented in the game itself. So you are going against a Word of God source as even presented by yourself: the game itself.

Are they all purple? Nope, some of them are there though, and Void Elves and Nightborne both make use of vastly different shades of purple in their aesthetic. Enough that the description 'purple elves's is entirely apt.

This original topic of discussion isn't about being "exactly purple" it's to show that what you yourself admit in your last sentence here. Purple elves fit. You've yet to answer why White elves can't be differentiated if the game can have 3 variations of Purple elves.

Again, Void Elves and Nightborne were differentiated for specific reasons.

Alliance High Elves cannot be, as they are the exact same as Blood Elves.

That block of quote of yours doesn't answer the question which was "And my original question to you was, if each of these three groups can be classified as purple but look varied, why can the same not be done with white between two groups?"

Void Elves are also Thalassian Elves. If you are saying Alliance High Elves and Blood Elves are the same race and thus cannot be differentiated then it follows that Void Elves, who are also Thalassian Elves should be having some of their customization gone to Blood Elves. This is shown to not be true. You state something happened to them to make them different. Well something also happened with the High Elves, which is why you never see a red-skinned or reddish hue Alliance High Elf.

You also never commented on how others of the same race (ie Orcs, Dwarves, Humans, Trolls, Tauren) do not share customization options either. Just as Void Elves do not share customization with Blood Elves. Just as High Elves do not share customization with Blood Elves nor Void Elves.

You are actually just having this circular discussion now because you still cannot admit that you have argued inconsistently.

[Aldo Hawk]

The problem here is that I don't need to present more evidence than HE being alliance and the reasons on why they do for a plausible allied race. Which I and many others already did.

And yes, you are indulging into a constant stream of auto determination due to seeing others agreeing with you and twisting things to fit your view. It's a literal echo chamber. Maybe you shouldn't get too attached to the meaning of 'chamber' since, if you didn't noticed, it's a rhetoric name for a concept that touches on the idea of people self asserting themselves through other like minded individuals. AKA the exact same thing you and many others have been doing.

I would not be surprised to discover that directly trolling would be equivalent to not being convinced of the brilliance of your arguments after a period of time has elapsed. And the fact you admit it's 'hard to find people' implies that it isn't exactly a cockpit of debate between pros and antis.

What i'm not surprised is that it's hard to find honest and reasonable people to debate with. Since we got kind of a culture in the wow community about talking down, trolling and dismissing people who request for high elves.

Is not a problem of lacking an amount of people, since only today 3 new users have entered the server and 19 in total have came since the start of this month. It's a problem of having a sane discussion without going in circles with already debunked statements and having people who finds fun in jumping into the trolling train.

[Doffen]

Void Elf skin tone ONE: Predominantly grey with a vague purple tinge. Extremities tend towards purple.
Void Elf skin tone TWO: Gray with a strong blue tinge. Extremities again tend towards purple
Void Elf skin tone THREE: Entirely grey, Dark grey extremities.
Void Elf skin tone FOUR: This is actually a dusky blue.
Void Elf skin tone FIVE: Predominantly dark grey, dark purple extremities.
Void Elf skin tone SIX: Light grey, almost white. Light purple extremities.

No.

Void Elf skin tone 1: Light Blue, some purple undertone
Void Elf skin tone 2: Blue
Void Elf skin tone 3: Blue with purple undertone
Void Elf skin tone 4: Dark Blue, almost as blue as Nightborne's blue skin color.
Void Elf skin tone 5: Dark Gray with a purple undertone
Void Elf skin tone 6: Blue

How on earth do you see all those as gray except one? They are not gray, they are blue with ONE dark grey with a purple undertone. It could even go as purple if you put some goodwill to it.

The problem is you trying to justify your argument with any means necessary. Have you tried to check the Void Elves with the gray hair color? Check out the difference, it's rather significant. And try with Monk, so you'll see more skin.

[Alixie]

If High Elves are announced for the next expansion, here's hoping Vereesa and Alleria kick it off by kicking the Horde out of Dalaran in The Purge: 2. With the destruction of Teldrassil, Guilneas, Lordaeron, and Theramore which had the second highest population of High Elves, the Alliance needs to gain some territory back. Why not take back a city that was theirs to begin with? The Horde already has two magical elf cities. The High Elves should no longer need to share their refuge with traitors and savages that murdered 90% of their population. Auric and Alleria go recruit the scattered High Elf populations around Azeroth, promising if Silvermoon cant be their home, then Dalaran can by force. Then Vereesa, the Alliance PC, and the Silver Covenant / 7th Legion reclaim Dalaran for the Alliance in 9.0, and it looks something like this.



But what about the Horde? Their hearthstones wont work anymore!
They would have to use a phased or relocated Dalaran if they want to use the city. Like how you have to get around using portals to Teldrassil/Theramore.