Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[Aldo Hawk]

The fact that people like Obelisk have to come in and continually "remind people it won't happen" means they aren't confident enough by Ion's own response. Otherwise they wouldn't be trying so hard to stamp out people's request/hope. <-- and that is exactly the purpose of posts like Obelisk's and a few others.

I feel the need to quote this old Flubber post here.

If you are -so- convinced that the request -is- impossible, then get out of the thread and ignore it.

However, you are not so certain about it and want to go against because deep in your hearts you know that this is a possibility, and you don't like it.

[Gaexion Ramza Beoulve]

If you guys can make it to 600 pages by kurisumasu I will reinstall, resub, and reroll as a void-elf.

[Neverafter]

If you guys can make it to 600 pages by kurisumasu I will reinstall, resub, and reroll as a void-elf.

That would be Christmas day to everyone else

[scubi666stacy]

I'm trying to decide who would be more upset about the lifting of the faction divide, the pro or contra helf movement. Probably both

If they deliver a good story explanation about why the Faction divide ends, so all races become neutral and just get different customisation options, then I really would not care at all if some HE fetishists build their wet dream to play with. But for now, there are no playable Blood Elves on the Alliance except the Void Elf traitors / exciles. Who can conveniently also be played in RP as a former High Elf, who converted to Void Elf because of Alleria.

And all the High Elves who have not converted to Void Elves and are not extreme anti-Horde fanatics like Vereesa and her Kirin Tor bunch have probably even joined the ranks of the Blood Elves again. Why? Because the f***ing Sunwell is up and working again, and this splinter group does not have to be salty about Blood Elves siphoning magic from "bad" sources anymore.

But this train of thought is probably heresy for the High Elf advocates in here...

[FlubberPuddy]

And all the High Elves who have not converted to Void Elves and are not extreme anti-Horde fanatics like Vereesa and her Kirin Tor bunch have probably even joined the ranks of the Blood Elves again. Why? Because the f***ing Sunwell is up and working again, and this splinter group does not have to be salty about Blood Elves siphoning magic from "bad" sources anymore.

But this train of thought is probably heresy for the High Elf advocates in here...

Not heresy, but more like 100% unproven. Please show where "all the High Elves who have not converted to Void Elves and are not extreme anti-Horde fanatics like Vereesa and her Kirin Tor bunch have probably even joined the ranks of the Blood Elves again."

Since the restoration of the Sunwell happened at the end of TBC. Yet we have Purge of Dalaran in MoP, and then Legion (and even a BFA comic) to show High Elves still aren't playing make-up with Blood Elves.

Also welcome back.

[Traycor]

[Syegfryed]

This is nothing but a gross misrepresentaiton of the position of the pro high-elf community. A big fat dishonest strawman.

its called sarcasm, to show how people are hypocrite and in reality just want a carbon copy of BE or a enhanced one.

The second one comes because the void elves come from the blood elves, not high elves. They did not come from the group of elves that has always been part of the Alliance.

coming from blood elves mean they come from High elves, not all high elves today that reside in the alliance "has always been part of the alliance" the silver covenant as one of the factions they brag about just joined later after left the alliance.

VE as BE had all the past HE lore, like troll wars, lore was never a thing, since regardless of what faction the VE came, the complaint would continue since its not about lore but model and fanfic.

Do tell me how worgen, goblins, kul'tirans and dark iron dwarves are new allies,

they were not playable and they were not part of the factions, pretty obvious

Gilneas and Kul'Tiras were once part of the Alliance

once, at the time of the alliance of lordaeron, they were not part of the alliance, neither playable, therefore they are new

guilneas even had a fucking worgen curse, and kultiras are obese, they were like that before? no, then its new

the goblins helped the Horde in the past

they were not playable and they were not part of the factions, pretty obvious

Dark Iron dwarves have been part of the Alliance for two expansions before becoming playable.

but again, not playable, and they joining was never official until now, flaming beard dwarfs is new.

EDIT: Oh, and high elves haven't been playable "since TBC". They just haven't been playable. At all.

blood elves are high elves? blood elves are playable? then high elves are playable

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Can I go ahead in advance and say that is he gonna jump between gameplay and lore as it fits him?

Because that's something we all have seen continuously in this thread. If lore doesn't support anything they just jump to gameplay and vice versa.

if you can't give a proper argument, because you know not much about gameplay and lore, let people discuss alone sir.

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look at the green eyes LUL

[Traycor]

look at the green eyes LUL

Yeah, I actually thought that was pretty funny.

[Black Goat]

I have never said that only Alliance players are deserving of having the High Elf fantasy fulfilled. I'm saying that Alliance players are just as deserving of playing a High Elf Allied race as the Horde is playing a race that was ripped away from the Alliance for the exclusive purpose of balancing the factions in a post-Vanilla environment. The only people denying one side their fun are Horde fans promoting the idea that allowing the Alliance access to one of the faction's own iconic races is the path forward.

Blood Elves are guests as part of the Horde and will always stand apart because they were designed as an Alliance race. High Elves would be an intuitive and native addition to the Alliance's array of playable races. I'm not saying to deny the Horde anything. I'm saying that the Alliance should have access to what's theirs.

It's "theirs" only in the past tense. The story explains why they leave the Alliance to join the Horde. I suppose it's a plausible scenario to assume the Elves were given to Horde for balance, but unless you have verifiable proof that's the case, that's really just a paranoid assertion that you're pretending to be irrefutable. Spare me any "it's obvious that's why they did it" response, too, please, unless you have proof. The Alliance have never seen playable Thalassian Elves in World of Warcraft, therefore you don't get to claim ownership of it. I hope you see how this is somewhat in the arena of delusion.

Blood Elves are not guests to the Horde, they belong to it. You are denying the Horde something. You're actively denying the Horde ownership of the race that they very obviously own, and have owned since BC's release. Please refrain from contradictions such as these, they're frustrating to read. You're very clearly struggling to accept Blizzard's choice for their game, their story, and their races. Make peace with it. Besides, the iconic race for the Alliance are the Humans. Hence the human King, the human leaders, etc, etc. Your bias is a bit painful to witness, I must say. It borders on lies and paranoia.

Pardon the delayed response, I've been on holiday with limited internet access.

[Ielenia]

its called sarcasm, to show how people are hypocrite and in reality just want a carbon copy of BE or a enhanced one.

There is no hypocrisy at all, only dishonest misrepresentation from you.

coming from blood elves mean they come from High elves,

No, it doesn't. Because high elves today are different than the blood elves of today. They hate each other. There is such an animosity that blood is spilled between the two. The pro-high elf community doesn't want blood elves, they want high elves. There are lore differences between the two.

its not about lore but model and fanfic.

You can repeat that as much as you want, but it won't make it any less false.

they were not playable and they were not part of the factions, pretty obvious

Dark Irons have been "part of the faction" for two expansions before becoming playable.

once, at the time of the alliance of lordaeron, they were not part of the alliance, neither playable, therefore they are new

Congratulations, your explanation just ruled in the high elves: "once, at the time of the alliance of Lordaeron, they were not part of the Alliance, neither playable, therefore they are new".

they were not playable and they were not part of the factions, pretty obvious

Some people here argue that the Silver Covenant is not part of the Alliance for residing in Dalaran, a neutral city. If that is true, by your rules, that would make them eligible to be playable, since they are definitely not playable.

but again, not playable, and they joining was never official until now, flaming beard dwarfs is new.

Silver Covenant. Never "formally" part of the Alliance. And high elves could have different colored hair, as well. And/or beards.

blood elves are high elves? blood elves are playable? then high elves are playable

In order:
• No, they're not.
• Yes, they are.
• No, they're not.

High elves are not playable. That is an indisputable fact. Go to the character creation screen. Do you see any high elf option in the blue banner?

Your argument doesn't hold water. That's like saying, before BfA: "Kul'tirans are humans? Humans are playable? Then Kul'tirans are playable." or even "Zandalari are trolls? Trolls are playable? Then Zandalari are playable."

[Strippling]

high elf fans:

@Strippling mad respect for you, to have so much patience.

Trust me, if I didn't have a passion for the franchise and it's integral features (such as faction distinction) I would have given up responding a long time ago.

[Ielenia]

Blood Elves are not guests to the Horde, they belong to it. You are denying the Horde something. You're actively denying the Horde ownership of the race that they very obviously own, and have owned since BC's release.

Um... no. Not at all.

Blood elves won't leave the Horde if high elves become playable in the Alliance. Blood elves won't change at all if high elves become playable in the Alliance. To imply anything would happen to blood elves if high elves become playable in the Alliance is nonsensical.

[Aldo Hawk]

if you can't give a proper argument, because you know not much about gameplay and lore, let people discuss alone sir.

Then why are you being a hypocite and continue here behaving like an orc with delusions of being smarter than anyone else?

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Trust me, if I didn't have a passion for the franchise and it's integral features (such as faction distinction) I would have given up responding a long time ago.

Poor thing, aww...

The exact same thing can be said from here you know.

I can't believe there's people denying something so fundamental about the Alliance and allied races...

Also answer the two questions I made to you.

[Strippling]

Also, answer my goddamn questions: What would have been different in this image if HE were playable back then?:



And: How playable HE defeat the purpose of the factions instead of reinforcing it? (Remember: It's a faction game, and HE are another faction of Thalassians who are aligned with the Alliance, not the Horde.)

Your question makes no sense, so I'm not sure exactly what you want me to answer? Maybe reword it so I can understand what point you're trying to get across?

Also, I edited the pic for you. It's more accurate now.



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Poor thing, aww...

The exact same thing can be said from here you know.

I can't believe there's people denying something so fundamental about the Alliance and allied races...

Also answer the two questions I made to you.

High elves are not fundamental to the Alliance. High elves as a society (as a governing group) seceded the Alliance. Any remaining high elves aligned with the alliance are nothing but a minor feature with very little relevance to the overall story progression of the alliance. If alliance high elves were to suddenly disappear (as in we saw no more NPCs) it would not change the dynamics of the alliance whatsoever. High elves have become a core race to the Horde. Like I said, any elves who chose to remain with the alliance are not core to the faction, they're a rarity.. a minor feature who will likely over time be replaced with void elf NPCs more n more.

You need to hop off your high horse. Nothing's being denied to you. The race is already playable, it's available on the Horde. Faction distinction is a core aspect of this game, so subsequently the playable races on each faction will naturally be distinct from one another. Given that the high elven race is playable on the Horde (as has been pointed out on numerous occasions yet you seem to deny this) then making them playable on the alliance would do nothing but damage the faction lines... which like I said is a core aspect of this game.

[FlubberPuddy]

It's more accurate now.

Yikes. Would your Orc like being called "greenskin"? That's basically how it is calling a Blood Elf "High Elf". If that can't be understood, nothing more needs to be said on that subject.

I find it pretty inane that a race that chooses to not call themselves something is having its supposed "fans" calling them that very thing. Makes it seem like it's less about the lore for the Blood Elf players who say such things as well.

[Strippling]

Yikes. Would your Orc like being called "greenskin"? That's basically how it is calling a Blood Elf "High Elf". If that can't be understood, nothing more needs to be said on that subject.

I find it pretty inane that a race that chooses to not call themselves something is having its supposed "fans" calling them that very thing. Makes it seem like it's less about the lore for the Blood Elf players who say such things as well.

Are you suggesting that the high elven race is not playable? Are you suggesting that blood elves and high elves are not the same race? Blood elves call themselves blood elves, but that doesn't change the fact that they are the high elves of WoW. This was made very clear the moment they were introduced as playable.. sorry this was made clear in WCIII.

[Aldo Hawk]

Your question makes no sense, so I'm not sure exactly what you want me to answer? Maybe reword it so I can understand what point you're trying to get across?

My question is easy and simple. I'm very sorry if you find difficulties finding meaning on it.

The correct answer is: Nothing. Nothing would have been different.

Also, I edited the pic for you. It's more accurate now.

Is not more accurate, is more biased and incorrect.

High elves are not fundamental to the Alliance.

You are the only one saying they are fundamental. I'm only saying that they are members of the Alliance which is correct.

High elves as a society (as a governing group) seceded the Alliance.

And that's why we can still see High elves in the Alliance nowadays.

If alliance high elves were to suddenly disappear (as in we saw no more NPCs) it would not change the dynamics of the alliance whatsoever. High elves have become a core race to the Horde.

The exact same thing can be said about Goblins, Night elves, Goblins, Undead, Blood elves, Draenei, Pandaren...

Snap them out of existence and the factions will continue no problem.

You need to hop off your high horse.

Seeing your and Syegfryed responses I should be the one saying this.

Nothing's being denied to you.

A more complete game with a more complete factions regarding the lore of such game.

The race is already playable, it's available on the Horde.

However the group is not available and you perfectly know it. And calm down, i'm enjoying my Blood elves and i'm a proud horde member forever and ever

Faction distinction is a core aspect of this game

I'm starting to think you don't know what 'core' means.

If it was so 'core' we would not have Pandaren, Void elves or Nightborne.

Just face it for a goddamn time. You are being too melodramatic about this. As many others in this thread. The factions are not in danger. Calm the hell down...

Given that the high elven race is playable on the Horde (as has been pointed out on numerous occasions yet you seem to deny this) then making them playable on the alliance would do nothing but damage the faction lines... which like I said is a core aspect of this game.

However, i'm not denying it and you are the one saying that they are a different race, not me.

High elves are not playable, doesn't matter how much you try to goal that BS. Blood elves are, in the Horde, not the Alliance, and not the group that calls themselves the exact same way their former name, High elves, in name of their people and their group. For the Alliance.

[Syegfryed]

There is no hypocrisy at all, only dishonest misrepresentation from you.

like i said it was sarcasm.

No, it doesn't. Because high elves today are different than the blood elves of today.

in what? its literally just "im alliance" or "im horde" and "i hate you", meaningless

They hate each other. There is such an animosity that blood is spilled between the two. The pro-high elf community doesn't want blood elves, they want high elves. There are lore differences between the two.

right now void elves hate each other, there is a animosity that blood is spilled between the two. The pro high elf community want white-blond-blue-eyes elves, congratulations you have your HE but in purple, they do the same thing, have the same core lore, this or you know they don't care about lore at all.

You can repeat that as much as you want, but it won't make it any less false.

same for you

Dark Irons have been "part of the faction" for two expansions before becoming playable.

being "part of the faction" =/= officially joining and being playable, its new, nice to see that you drop of the other examples to stand with this one alone

Congratulations, your explanation just ruled in the high elves: "once, at the time of the alliance of Lordaeron, they were not part of the Alliance, neither playable, therefore they are new".

it don't, because, once again, high elves aren't new, they are playable since TBC.

Some people here argue that the Silver Covenant is not part of the Alliance for residing in Dalaran, a neutral city. If that is true, by your rules, that would make them eligible to be playable, since they are definitely not playable.

by my rules they would not be playable because, HE are already playable.

Silver Covenant. Never "formally" part of the Alliance. And high elves could have different colored hair, as well. And/or beards.

why they could have? why those would have different hair than blood elves since you know, they are physically identical? its just another fanfic creating differences from thin air.

void elves are already HE with different color, the "pro" want the little diference possible, so they can be legolas, nope.

In order:
• No, they're not.

now proof that blood elves aren't high elves, cause its canon fact, said by devs, and canon lore.

• Yes, they are.
• No, they're not.

you lost yourself right here.

High elves are not playable. That is an indisputable fact. Go to the character creation screen. Do you see any high elf option in the blue banner?

blood elves are high elves, therefore they are playable, thats is an indisputable fact until blizzard said they are two different races.

Your argument doesn't hold water. That's like saying, before BfA: "Kul'tirans are humans? Humans are playable? Then Kul'tirans are playable." or even "Zandalari are trolls? Trolls are playable? Then Zandalari are playable."

your argument don't hold water because unlike BE and HE who are indisputable the same race, with no physical difference, Zandalari and kul'tirans are totally different from their counterparts

Its like saying lions and tigers are the same because they are felines/trolls-humans, but lions are the same as lions, sorry.

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Then why are you being a hypocite and continue here behaving like an orc with delusions of being smarter than anyone else?

you should stop accusing people of what you do, it will be better for your own image.

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Yikes. Would your Orc like being called "greenskin"? That's basically how it is calling a Blood Elf "High Elf".

both are true, even if you consider pejorative or not

I find it pretty inane that a race that chooses to not call themselves something is having its supposed "fans" calling them that very thing. Makes it seem like it's less about the lore for the Blood Elf players who say such things as well.

gladly im not an elf fan, actually a hater, so i can say the truth regardless.

[FlubberPuddy]

Are you suggesting that the high elven race is not playable? Are you suggesting that blood elves and high elves are not the same race? Blood elves call themselves blood elves, but that doesn't change the fact that they are the high elves of WoW. This was made very clear the moment they were introduced as playable.. sorry this was made clear in WCIII.

Nice question dodging.

[Aldo Hawk]

like i said it was sarcasm.



in what? its literally just "im alliance" or "im horde" and "i hate you", meaningless


right now void elves hate each other, there is a animosity that blood is spilled between the two. The pro high elf community want white-blond-blue-eyes elves, congratulations you have your HE but in purple, they do the same thing, have the same core lore, this or you know they don't care about lore at all.



same for you



being "part of the faction" =/= officially joining and being playable, its new, nice to see that you drop of the other examples to stand with this one alone



it don't, because, once again, high elves aren't new, they are playable since TBC.



by my rules they would not be playable because, HE are already playable.



why they could have? why those would have different hair than blood elves since you know, they are physically identical? its just another fanfic creating differences from thin air.

void elves are already HE with different color, the "pro" want the little diference possible, so they can be legolas, nope.


now proof that blood elves aren't high elves, cause its canon fact, said by devs, and canon lore.



you lost yourself right here.


blood elves are high elves, therefore they are playable, thats is an indisputable fact until blizzard said they are two different races.



your argument don't hold water because unlike BE and HE who are indisputable the same race, with no physical difference, Zandalari and kul'tirans are totally different from their counterparts

Its like saying lions and tigers are the same because they are felines/trolls-humans, but lions are the same as lions, sorry.

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you should stop accusing people of what you do, it will be better for your own image.

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both are true, even if you consider pejorative or not

gladly im not an elf fan, actually a hater, so i can say the truth regardless.

'I know you are, but what am I?'

Most of what you post resumes in that. It's sad and pathetic.

Can you not be like this?