Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[Ielenia]

That's objectively false.

Your statement fails because you have demonstrated that you failed to understand what I wrote plainly in the test you quoted, but I'll repeat it for you, this time boldening the important part that you missed:

"High elves and blood elves have more differentiation between themselves, than Kul'Tiras humans and Stormwind humans had before KTs became playable."

Elaborating: every single Kul'Tiras NPC we saw, before BfA, looked like this:

In other words: exactly like any other Stormwind human. That is what I meant when I said high elves currently have differentiation from blood elves than Kul'Tiras humans and Stormwind humans had before KTs became playable.

Citing their "different lifestyle" is irrelevant to the point.

[The Silver Covenant]

this game revolves around two factions. It's an integral aspect of WoW. And a core feature of both factions is the races the constitute each faction. There is and always has been a clear distinction in both aesthetics and thematics between the races in either faction ... it seems 'petty' to me that some players are willing to jeopardize faction identity.

Thank you for explaining why Blood Elves going to the Horde in the first place was bad for Warcraft's lore and jeopardized faction identity in TBC. Had Blizzard put the Blood Elves with the faction they're supposed to be with in the first place, nobody would be requesting their distinct cousins the High Elves.

Faction identity is important. Thalassian elves are part of the Alliance's identity. And here we are today.

[scubi666stacy]

Your statement fails because you have demonstrated that you failed to understand what I wrote plainly in the test you quoted, but I'll repeat it for you, this time boldening the important part that you missed:

"High elves and blood elves have more differentiation between themselves, than Kul'Tiras humans and Stormwind humans had before KTs became playable."

Elaborating: every single Kul'Tiras NPC we saw, before BfA, looked like this:

In other words: exactly like any other Stormwind human. That is what I meant when I said high elves currently have differentiation from blood elves than Kul'Tiras humans and Stormwind humans had before KTs became playable.

Citing their "different lifestyle" is irrelevant to the point.

And I remember the time when Sylvanas had a Night Elf model in the game? So what?
It's completely understandable that Blizzard did not want to bury resources for some nameless NPCs. They took the Human model, and slapped the KT tabard on it. Fair enough for me.

That you bring this up in a discussion only shows how desperate your stance is.

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Thank you for explaining why Blood Elves going to the Horde in the first place was bad for Warcraft's lore and jeopardized faction identity in TBC. Had Blizzard put the Blood Elves with the faction they're supposed to be with in the first place, nobody would be requesting their distinct cousins the High Elves.

Faction identity is important. Thalassian elves are part of the Alliance's identity. And here we are today.

You clearly have no idea. Blood Elves quit the Alliance after what happens in WC III. If they have not done that, they would have been a core Alliance race in Vanilla. And who knows, maybe the Night Elves would have joined the Horde then.

Then then join the Horde in TBC. We have over a decade of lore where the kingdom of Quel'thalas / Silvermoon belong to the Horde. This was a natural path from the RTS games to WoW.

The retcon of the Draenei is a bigger fish to fry.

[Obelisk Kai]

(1) You know that is false. You just there is no basis to assert that fel magic can corrupt and transform one's body. I can hear Illidan, Gul'Dan, and basically every man'ari and satyr looking at you and saying "am I a joke to you?"

(2) You know that is not necessarily true. Just because the two groups share a model doesn't mean they look exactly alike, eye color aside. You know full well that Blizzard does not give new models to an existing race unless they're heavily featured in an expansion. Zandalari looked the exact same as any other troll until Cataclysm, then further changed in Battle for Azeroth. Kul'Tiras looked just like any other human until Battle for Azeroth. Blood elves and high elves had the exact same build as the night elves elves, but with light skin.

It is not false. You are attempting to create an equivalence where none exists because you refuse to consider the degree of fel magic used. Man'ari are Demons, fully transformed beings who are no longer mortal. Satyrs are demons, fully transformed beings who are no longer mortal. Illidan and other Demon Hunters literally devoured demons to gain their power. By contrast, Blood Elves got a new eye colour due to their exposure to fel ambience.

As a comparison, saying these are equivalent is like saying a light sunburn is equivalent to an extreme dose of radiation poisoning.

As for sharing a model not meaning they don't look exactly like, sadly everyone is constrained by Blizzard's still limited character creator. You can make the same point about every race, that not every individual would be the same weight or the same height, but they do. Clearly you have to accept that as a part of the game's limitations and accept that all these characters really aren't the same height and weight and build.

Blizzard does have form for going back and replacing outdated character models with updated ones, the rationale of course being that at the time creating a brand new model would have been an unacceptable use of resources. There also tends to be a lore based explanation for the differences. Zandalari have always been a breed apart, seen as the 'high elves' of the Troll peoples as Vol'Jin put it. However, you hole your own logic by bringing this point up.

Were Blood Elves and High Elves as distinct as you suggest they should be, then Blizzard would not have updated Blood Elves and High Elves at the same time with the exact same model. They did so because they are identical in terms of lore and in terms of gameplay, not updating High Elves when the high elf model had been added to the game would have been mystifying stupid. And Blizzard didn't do this once, they did it twice as they updated the High Elves again in 6.1. All of which supports the stance that the races are identical, as identical as any two Bronzebeard Dwarves are when depicted in the game.

High elves and blood elves have more differentiation between themselves, than Kul'Tiras humans and Stormwind humans had before KTs became playable. And just like KT and SW humans, there are lore-friendly ways to give more differences between the high elves and blood elves.

That's the point. That's what I said. They had to find other ways to deal with their addiction, and one way that could have been done to resist the withdrawal effects could have been to train themselves physically.

Sating a magical addiction through physical exercise sounds like one of those quack cures that the right kind of salad will help you cure cancer. No, they were very clear on this, the solution to the addiction was magical and spiritual, but not physical. Magical through draining arcane energy from relics, and spiritual in that I believe some meditation was used to mitigate the pangs of withdrawal. But the idea that they all decided to 'get jacked' and that this is actually how they would be physically differentiated from Blood Elves is deeply silly. As pointed out on countless occasions when someone suggests that a more physically active High Elf would be justifiably differentiated from Blood Elves, this ignores the fact that plenty of Blood Elves lead extremely demanding, physically intense lives. Farstriders, Blood Knights, Spellbreakers. All of them would be 'jacked', heavily muscular (for an elf) and strong. Nor is any other race divided this way. If we stop suspending our disbelief regarding character models, we have to accept that there are tall, short, fat, muscular, skinny, wide and thin variants within all races. Does this justify separate thin Dwarf and fat Dwarf allied races? Or tall and short Gnomes? Or Draenei sorted by differing tail lengths?
No, it does not. This is once again an attempt to build on the weak foundation of political differences an edifice of other differentiation that does not make sense. You are never going to get away from the fact that Blood Elves are High Elves, that they and Alliance High Elves are the same race, that High Elves are thus playable and that Void Elves are the compromise to give the Alliance their own flavour of High Elf.

So what? Are you saying that the energies from the Sunwell magically undid all efforts the high elves did to fight through their addiction? That if they trained their bodies to be more physically resilient to resist the aches of withdrawal, all that effort and progress are now "magically gone and undone"? I honestly doubt it.

And just because they now have the Sunwell again, doesn't mean they'd have to stop what they were doing before. Afterall, the fall of Silvermoon and the corruption of the Sunwell has shown how dangerous it was to depend on that addiction, so to keep themselves primed and prepared for a likely possibility of the Sunwell being compromised again in the future is a good strategy.

Is there any evidence that physical activity wards off the pangs of the addiction? Or is this just an idea you have had which you are determined to push? The Warcraft encyclopedia entry talks of a few elves overcoming the addiction through sheer willpower. Willpower of course is not a physical attribute.

Perhaps, that is never happening. At least, I'm 99% sure of it. If this "faction identity" thing is really important to you, I expected you to be one of the leading protesters against that idea, as it would "blur" the separation between Alliance high elves and Horde blood elves.

No, I am one of the leading proponents of the idea of blue eyed Blood Elves on the grounds that the Alliance high elves are a faction of a playable Horde race, albeit a traitor faction. As they are the same race, anything available to one should be available to the other. As the taint is being expunged, blue eyes for Blood Elves should be feasible to reflect the arcane aspect of the Sunwell and the fact many Blood Elves are practitioners of the Arcane.

I do not regard Alliance High Elves as an inalienable part of the Alliance. Taking from them does not diminish the Alliance in any way. However, if it makes you feel better, I believe that as they ARE the same race that Alliance High Elves, who feed on the same Sunwell, should be able to manifest golden eyes.

Which backs up my claim about how the Light magic is very slow in "cleansing" the fel. It took so little time for all blood elves get green eyes, even the most devout followers of the light, and yet only some "followers of the Light" have gained golden eyes.

How do you know? By the time we became acquainted with the Blood Elves again in TBC it had been four years since the end of the Frozen Throne expansion. Golden eyes have only started manifesting in serious numbers in the past year. We have no knowledge of how long it took Blood Elves to go green, nor if it is comparable to how long it took their eyes to turn golden. It may have been that most Blood Elves maintained their blue eyes for a considerable length of time, with the Warlocks in their society manifesting the green eyes long before everyone else.

Good thing it's not the only point of differentiation we're bringing forth, eh? Oh, right. You're ignoring all of them because it's not being explicitly said in canon.

You are inventing differences, I am explaining that they don't work and citing lore based evidence as to why they don't work. It comes back to eye colour as it, alongside political opinion, is the one solid difference you can cite and even there I can make a case as to why eye colour doesn't matter as a difference, as the switch from blue to green and then from green to gold shows thalassian elf eye colour is mutable.

Yes, it does, because fel still affected their bodies and they lived in a city and settlements with fel crystals radiating fel magic everywhere.

As far as everyone is concerned, the one difference provoked by the fel was their eyes going green. That was it. By updating Blood Elf models and High Elf models at the same time on two occasions, and by stating that Blood Elves are High Elves, Blizzard is implicitly agreeing that these groups are physically identical. Them being physically identical precludes the fel having had a greater impact on them.

[Ielenia]

And I remember the time when Sylvanas had a Night Elf model in the game? So what?
It's completely understandable that Blizzard did not want to bury resources for some nameless NPCs. They took the Human model, and slapped the KT tabard on it. Fair enough for me.

You're basically reinforcing my point, here, so I thank you.

"They're not playable races. Why should Blizzard 'bury resources' on them?"

Goblins gained a truck-load of animations and voice lines when they became playable. Worgen gained a whole new model along with animations and voice lines when they became playable.

Kul'Tiras humans looked exactly like Stormwind humans because they weren't playable. But when they became playable, Blizzard made them different. But before that, the only difference between the two were the tabard and armor colors, green and blue, respectively.

That you bring this up in a discussion only shows how desperate your stance is.

Well, when you demonstrate such a lack of understanding of what is being talked about, it does look that way. But then it hurts your attempt at argumentation than it makes mine look bad, mind you.

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It is not false. You are attempting to create an equivalence where none exists because you refuse to consider the degree of fel magic used. Man'ari are Demons, fully transformed beings who are no longer mortal. Satyrs are demons, fully transformed beings who are no longer mortal. Illidan and other Demon Hunters literally devoured demons to gain their power. By contrast, Blood Elves got a new eye colour due to their exposure to fel ambience.

And if you followed the conversation here you'd see that I'm not arguing that the exact same scope of transformation happened to the blood elves. It's like you don't read my replies to you:

• I am saying the fact that blood elves were affected by fel in the past could have also altered their bodies in small ways;

I believe I should point out that, by saying "different physiques", I'm not making a Stormwind/Kul'Tiras kind of physical difference, but enough to make them visually distinct from each other.

Sating a magical addiction through physical exercise sounds like one of those quack cures

For pete's sake, dude. How about some honesty in this conversation? At no point I said anything remotely close to that dumb strawman of yours. I said, and I repeat:

They had to find other ways to deal with their addiction, and one way that could have been done to resist the withdrawal effects could have been to train themselves physically.

Resisting the withdrawal effects of an addiction =/= sating said addiction.

Is there any evidence that physical activity wards off the pangs of the addiction? Or is this just an idea you have had which you are determined to push? The Warcraft encyclopedia entry talks of a few elves overcoming the addiction through sheer willpower. Willpower of course is not a physical attribute.

There is basis for it. My brother worked through his drug addiction withdrawal by starting to exercise regularly since group therapy wasn't enough for him.

But if you want in-game examples, there are none. But that does not mean it's not possible. We don't know every single high elf's backstory.

No, I am one of the leading proponents of the idea of blue eyed Blood Elves

Then you admit to hypocrisy and double-standards as you've shown that "faction identity" is something that "really matters" when other people ask for things that you have no interest in, but you're willing to discard it like yesterday's napkin when it benefits your ideas. Can't eat your cake and have it, dude.

How do you know? By the time we became acquainted with the Blood Elves again in TBC it had been four years since the end of the Frozen Throne expansion.

https://playwarcraft3.com/en-us/

Scroll down to the Races section. Bam. Elves with green eyes. Looks like it didn't take "four years" to get green eyes.

You are inventing differences, I am explaining that they don't work and citing lore based evidence as to why they don't work.

"Inventing things" is the basis of story progression, even when retroactively adding things. The draenei are the biggest example of that, considering the majestic draenei we knew literally did not exist before TBC. All we knew as "draenei" are the ones we know today as "broken". And your "lore evidence" does work for squat. You're basically arguing fel magic doesn't change a person's body, despite countless examples of that happening in the game.

As far as everyone is concerned, the one difference provoked by the fel was their eyes going green. That was it.

That doesn't mean more cannot be added.

By updating Blood Elf models and High Elf models at the same time on two occasions,

And this is such a dishonest argument to make since high elves resemble much closely a blood elf than a night elf in build. It was much easier, faster, and cheaper to simply give the blood elf model to high elves instead of making a specific model for them, since there was no real reason to do so since they are not a playable race.

and by stating that Blood Elves are High Elves,

"Basically kind of are". Words to remember. Also: more words to remember: "not all high elves are blood elves".

Blizzard is implicitly agreeing that these groups are physically identical. Them being physically identical precludes the fel having had a greater impact on them.

Do you honestly think Blizzard would say Kul'Tiran humans would physically look different than Stormwind humans if this question was asked... say, during Wrath, or Cataclysm?

[FlubberPuddy]

No, I am one of the leading proponents of the idea of blue eyed Blood Elves on the grounds that the Alliance high elves are a faction of a playable Horde race, albeit a traitor faction. As they are the same race, anything available to one should be available to the other. As the taint is being expunged, blue eyes for Blood Elves should be feasible to reflect the arcane aspect of the Sunwell and the fact many Blood Elves are practitioners of the Arcane.

I don't think this has a chance of happening anymore though, not because of High Elves mind you, but because of Void Elves. Playable Void Elves have blue eyes and as we know from the Allied Races and their "parent races", just because there is customization that an Allied Race has (Orc hairstyles/beards, Dwarven hairstyles/tattoos, Nightborne/elf hair color / eye color, HMT tattoos, LF Draenei hairstyles, etc) it doesn't mean the "parent race" gets access to those customizations as well.

Until you or anyone else can prove it, saying "As they are the same race, anything available to one should be available to the other." means nothing until Blizzard has given us examples of it. So far, there are none which makes the precedent more than likely these customizations are given to Allied Races to give them more differences from their "parent race".

[Strippling]

Thank you for explaining why Blood Elves going to the Horde in the first place was bad for Warcraft's lore and jeopardized faction identity in TBC. Had Blizzard put the Blood Elves with the faction they're supposed to be with in the first place, nobody would be requesting their distinct cousins the High Elves.

Faction identity is important. Thalassian elves are part of the Alliance's identity. And here we are today.

I can't tell if you're trolling or serious.

[Aldo Hawk]

I can high elf and so can you.





Stick a Silver Covenant tabard on and wear a full-cover helm and you're near as dammit. #AcceptTheRen'doreiCompromise

Could you please go to Stormwind and report your experience to us?

[DeicideUH]

Could you please go to Stormwind and report your experience to us?

He just used Orb of the Sin'dorei there. A Horde character can't use that tabard and mount.

[Aldo Hawk]

He just used Orb of the Sin'dorei there. A Horde character can't use that tabard and mount.

Oh. So it's just a full armor trick for 5 minutes every 30 minutes.

Still a condescending 'demonstration'.

[scubi666stacy]

You're basically reinforcing my point, here, so I thank you.

"They're not playable races. Why should Blizzard 'bury resources' on them?"

Goblins gained a truck-load of animations and voice lines when they became playable. Worgen gained a whole new model along with animations and voice lines when they became playable.

Kul'Tiras humans looked exactly like Stormwind humans because they weren't playable. But when they became playable, Blizzard made them different. But before that, the only difference between the two were the tabard and armor colors, green and blue, respectively.


Well, when you demonstrate such a lack of understanding of what is being talked about, it does look that way. But then it hurts your attempt at argumentation than it makes mine look bad, mind you.

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And if you followed the conversation here you'd see that I'm not arguing that the exact same scope of transformation happened to the blood elves. It's like you don't read my replies to you:






For pete's sake, dude. How about some honesty in this conversation? At no point I said anything remotely close to that dumb strawman of yours. I said, and I repeat:

Resisting the withdrawal effects of an addiction =/= sating said addiction.


There is basis for it. My brother worked through his drug addiction withdrawal by starting to exercise regularly since group therapy wasn't enough for him.

But if you want in-game examples, there are none. But that does not mean it's not possible. We don't know every single high elf's backstory.


Then you admit to hypocrisy and double-standards as you've shown that "faction identity" is something that "really matters" when other people ask for things that you have no interest in, but you're willing to discard it like yesterday's napkin when it benefits your ideas. Can't eat your cake and have it, dude.


https://playwarcraft3.com/en-us/

Scroll down to the Races section. Bam. Elves with green eyes. Looks like it didn't take "four years" to get green eyes.


"Inventing things" is the basis of story progression, even when retroactively adding things. The draenei are the biggest example of that, considering the majestic draenei we knew literally did not exist before TBC. All we knew as "draenei" are the ones we know today as "broken". And your "lore evidence" does work for squat. You're basically arguing fel magic doesn't change a person's body, despite countless examples of that happening in the game.


That doesn't mean more cannot be added.

And this is such a dishonest argument to make since high elves resemble much closely a blood elf than a night elf in build. It was much easier, faster, and cheaper to simply give the blood elf model to high elves instead of making a specific model for them, since there was no real reason to do so since they are not a playable race.

"Basically kind of are". Words to remember. Also: more words to remember: "not all high elves are blood elves".

Do you honestly think Blizzard would say Kul'Tiran humans would physically look different than Stormwind humans if this question was asked... say, during Wrath, or Cataclysm?

I am speaking about the logical, financial and logistical reasons for downgraded models of NPC which are not important and do not have a playable race counterpart to draw models from.

You misunderstand this and spin it to your intention. What a fine demagogue you are.

You are like this pigeon who happens to get something good by chance after doing a pirouette, and now repeating pirouettes over and over hoping to get some more.

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He just used Orb of the Sin'dorei there. A Horde character can't use that tabard and mount.

Take a void elf, put on a fitting transmog and there you go.

You don't even have a clearly defined stance beside "it's not a High Elf, wah wah!"

Blood Elves are High Elves. Void Elves are High Elves as well. We have 2 f***ing High Elf races in the game and you still keep on bickering.

[Aldo Hawk]

Take a void elf, put on a fitting transmog and there you go.

You don't even have a clearly defined stance beside "it's not a High Elf, wah wah!"

Blood Elves are High Elves. Void Elves are High Elves as well. We have 2 f***ing High Elf races in the game and you still keep on bickering.

The bolded is a total lie.

Alliance High elves are a thing that exist. Asking for a justification beyond that is bollocks. The request is simple and easy to understand and also clear crystalline as Caribbean waters.

High elves are not Blood elves.

'But Blood elves are High elves wah wah'. I don't care if you don't want to settle for such simple point. You disagreeing doesn't change the truth.

There is -not- an option to play what is part of the Alliance. No one can deny that with a straight face.

[Obelisk Kai]

He just used Orb of the Sin'dorei there. A Horde character can't use that tabard and mount.

Oh. So it's just a full armor trick for 5 minutes every 30 minutes.

Still a condescending 'demonstration'.

Did either of you actually read his post?

Did either of you actually look at his images?

He is playing a Void Elf, on the isle of Quel'Danas (which is neutral ground during the time period depicted which is why he isn't being attacked) wearing Silver Covenant type armor. So yeah, he can go to Stormwind quite easily wearing that get up.

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And if you followed the conversation here you'd see that I'm not arguing that the exact same scope of transformation happened to the blood elves. It's like you don't read my replies to you:

I get what you are arguing. I just don't give it credence because there is no evidence for it. The only thing that changed is eye colour, and as golden eyes proves that isn't a permanent change as the Orc's green skin was.

There is basis for it. My brother worked through his drug addiction withdrawal by starting to exercise regularly since group therapy wasn't enough for him.

? Drug addictions in the real world are caused by the body becoming dependant upon and craving real addictive substances. We are discussing a fictional addiction to magic.

But if you want in-game examples, there are none. But that does not mean it's not possible. We don't know every single high elf's backstory.

Finally. For someone desiring honesty in the conversation we finally have some from yourself. There is no evidence in game, merely a hypothetical you are plugging based on experiences we have no idea are even analogous to the situation facing the thalassian elves.

When the Warcraft encyclopedia was written and they discussed the addiction, they cited willpower and magical artefacts as the techniques used by the Alliance High Elves to deal with their addiction. Nothing at all about exercise which you think they might have covered there were it a genuine factor.

So, I feel quite within my rights at this point to dismiss the entire suggestion as headcanon.

Then you admit to hypocrisy and double-standards as you've shown that "faction identity" is something that "really matters" when other people ask for things that you have no interest in, but you're willing to discard it like yesterday's napkin when it benefits your ideas. Can't eat your cake and have it, dude.

No I am afraid not, I have always been very consistent in my stance that Blood Elves are High Elves. I do not consider Alliance High Elves, who mostly live in Dalaran anyways and are seemingly sitting this war out, as a major part of the Alliance. I consider them to be a traitorous grouping of a Horde race. Nothing that the Alliance High Elves have can or should be considered sacred or unique to them, and if they have a customization option that can expand the options available to Horde players, then that should be made available to Horde players at the earliest opportunity. Now if I were asking for Void Elf type hairstyles with tentacles, THEN I would be going too far and would be infringing on the faction divide.

https://playwarcraft3.com/en-us/

Scroll down to the Races section. Bam. Elves with green eyes. Looks like it didn't take "four years" to get green eyes.

That game has not been released yet, the game itself takes place before the Blood Elves learned of Illidan's teachings, and Illidan's teachings are confirmed as the source of the green eyes. In other words what we have here is an anachronism that will hopefully be corrected upon release.

"Inventing things" is the basis of story progression, even when retroactively adding things. The draenei are the biggest example of that, considering the majestic draenei we knew literally did not exist before TBC. All we knew as "draenei" are the ones we know today as "broken". And your "lore evidence" does work for squat. You're basically arguing fel magic doesn't change a person's body, despite countless examples of that happening in the game.

When did I say fel energy doesn't change a body? it changed Blood Elven eyes green. But that change is so minor, and demonstrably reversible, that I don't think it really counts. Blizzard after all has been extremely consistent in saying Blood Elves and High Elves are identical, and in game nobody has suggested Blood Elves somehow look different from when they were High Elves beyond that eye colour shift.

This passage is illuminating however in that you essentially admit you are calling for a retcon, to go back and pretend that the Blood Elves were changed by the fel to a far greater degree than they actually were so as to differentiate them from Alliance High Elves and therefore provide a more solid basis for an Alliance High Elf allied race.

That is profoundly unfair on Blood Elf players, to suggest the race they are playing should be changed in a retcon, shifted away from what it is now just so you can have Alliance High Elves feel that space.

As for the Draenei retcon, extreme as it was it worked because up until that point we hadn't met genuine uncorrupted Draenei. Their backstory was changed before they were added to the game. You will find that retconning a race people have been playing for over twelve years is going to be a vastly more difficult proposition than retconning lore that, up until the point of their introduction as a playable race, had only existed in a video game manual.

That doesn't mean more cannot be added.

Yes, as I pointed out above you are requesting a retcon to retroactively change Blood Elves so that they no longer fulfil the high elf ideal and thus create space for Alliance High Elves. I am going to go out on a limb here and suggest Blizzard isn't going to alter a race that is played by currently paying subscribers simply to appease the Alliance High Elf community who won't accept the Void Elf compromise. You know, because pleasing the few hundred in that community might not be worth pissing off the hundreds of thousands of Blood Elf players.

And this is such a dishonest argument to make since high elves resemble much closely a blood elf than a night elf in build. It was much easier, faster, and cheaper to simply give the blood elf model to high elves instead of making a specific model for them, since there was no real reason to do so since they are not a playable race.

They resemble the Blood Elves in build because they and the Blood Elves are the same race. It is the height of hypocrisy to suggest that is a dishonest argument, when your own implies that they would give Alliance High Elves their own model if they had the time. They had the time, they created Void Elves in that time.

"Basically kind of are". Words to remember. Also: more words to remember: "not all high elves are blood elves".

Blood Elves are High Elves. As to 'not all High Elves are Blood Elves'...who really cares beyond your community? The High Elves who are not Blood Elves made a political choice. That's the sole difference. It's not enough. In the past you have claimed it is enough but the thing is, that was again just you. You keep making suggestions and pushing them, but you never have evidence for them. At best you manage to put forward a point that is hypothetically possible because there is no evidence against it, but there is no evidence for it either. At worst you push your flawed hypotheses despite the evidence against because to discuss the evidence is to admit defeat. That is not a great position to be in for debate.

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I don't think this has a chance of happening anymore though, not because of High Elves mind you, but because of Void Elves. Playable Void Elves have blue eyes and as we know from the Allied Races and their "parent races", just because there is customization that an Allied Race has (Orc hairstyles/beards, Dwarven hairstyles/tattoos, Nightborne/elf hair color / eye color, HMT tattoos, LF Draenei hairstyles, etc) it doesn't mean the "parent race" gets access to those customizations as well.

Until you or anyone else can prove it, saying "As they are the same race, anything available to one should be available to the other." means nothing until Blizzard has given us examples of it. So far, there are none which makes the precedent more than likely these customizations are given to Allied Races to give them more differences from their "parent race".

It is entirely possible that Blood Elves will never get blue eyes. However, I don't regard eye colour as something major either. I would simply like the extra customization option for Blood Elves when they add a separate eye colour selector to the character creator.

I find that those in favour of Alliance High Elves are the ones extremely defensive regarding the blue eye colour, simply because it is the sole physical difference between Blood Elves and Alliance High Elves. But as golden eyes show, thalassian elf eye colour is mutable depending on circumstances. It can change, there is nothing permanent about it and so it is not a true mark of differentiation.

[Monster Hunter]

Oh. So it's just a full armor trick for 5 minutes every 30 minutes.

Still a condescending 'demonstration'.

It's all your getting for a very long time.

Blizz have made that pritty clear.

[Aldo Hawk]

Did either of you actually read his post?

Did either of you actually look at his images?

I did, and @DeicideUH pointed the mistake. Have you read our posts?

Also: https://gyazo.com/4bf0e5d8508473273811c7c37912d131 Pale ears and Silver Covenant tabard. Is using the orb.

He is playing a Void Elf, on the isle of Quel'Danas [snoop] wearing Silver Covenant type armor. So yeah, he can go to Stormwind quite easily wearing that get up.

Ok, he can go to Stormwind (already known btw). Still lacking all the essentials.

5 minutes in a 30 CD cooldown for a BLOOD ELF appearance and BLOOD ELF voicelines, and still having to stick with the VOID ELF classes and VOID ELF racials, world interaction and VOID ELF character. And also having to stick with a full body armor because the costume is super fragile, not being able to even replace more than the most shallow things.

(which is neutral ground during the time period depicted which is why he isn't being attacked)

You thinking that this was needed to be clarified just shows how misleading and misrepresent your posts are.

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It's all your getting for a very long time.

Blizz have made that pritty clear.

Anything to add? Or just snarky and substance-less comments?

[DeicideUH]

Take a void elf, put on a fitting transmog and there you go.

I don't pay the subscription to play make believe.

[Monster Hunter]

I did, and @DeicideUH pointed the mistake. Have you read our posts?

Also: https://gyazo.com/4bf0e5d8508473273811c7c37912d131 Pale ears and Silver Covenant tabard. Is using the orb.


Ok, he can go to Stormwind (already known btw). Still lacking all the essentials.

5 minutes in a 30 CD cooldown for a BLOOD ELF appearance and BLOOD ELF voicelines, and still having to stick with the VOID ELF classes and VOID ELF racials, world interaction and VOID ELF character. And also having to stick with a full body armor because the costume is super fragile, not being able to even replace more than the most shallow things.


You thinking that this was needed to be clarified just shows how misleading and misrepresent your posts are.

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Anything to add? Or just snarky and substance-less comments?

Just the truth.

Whats the point of adding anything else. Ions all ready said he disregards these threads now, so why keep adding hot air to a defeated cause?

[scubi666stacy]

The bolded is a total lie.

Alliance High elves are a thing that exist. Asking for a justification beyond that is bollocks. The request is simple and easy to understand and also clear crystalline as Caribbean waters.

High elves are not Blood elves.

'But Blood elves are High elves wah wah'. I don't care if you don't want to settle for such simple point. You disagreeing doesn't change the truth.

There is -not- an option to play what is part of the Alliance. No one can deny that with a straight face.

I just repeat: Blizzard continued the story of Quel'thalas first via Blood Elves, and then - after Allerias return and transformation - via Void Elves.

What is so hard to understand about that? It's an organic development.

Are you by chance someone who participated in the petition to rewrite the last season for GoT? This is just as ridiculous.

News for you: Sometimes, writers just GIVE UP on some characters, concepts and locations, and MOVE ON. I suggest, you do the same. If there is no more story to tell with a vehicle, no matter how much some die hard fans whine. It's of no use, so why bother?

[Obelisk Kai]

I did, and @DeicideUH pointed the mistake. Have you read our posts?

Also: https://gyazo.com/4bf0e5d8508473273811c7c37912d131 Pale ears and Silver Covenant tabard. Is using the orb.

Fair enough, he is indeed using the orb. However, the only way to determine that was to look at the one unobscured part of the body, the tips of the ears. A Void Elf in the same get up would be almost indistinguishable from a Blood/High Elf.

Ok, he can go to Stormwind (already known btw). Still lacking all the essentials.

5 minutes in a 30 CD cooldown for a BLOOD ELF appearance and BLOOD ELF voicelines, and still having to stick with the VOID ELF classes and VOID ELF racials, world interaction and VOID ELF character. And also having to stick with a full body armor because the costume is super fragile, not being able to even replace more than the most shallow things.

Well, yes, he would be a Void Elf, not a Blood/High Elf. If you wanted a traditional high elf you would have to play a Blood Elf on the Horde. Isn't it wonderful to have so much choice if you are a high elf fan? Traditional elf on one side, a clear variant on the other?

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I don't pay the subscription to play make believe.

Actually we all pay the subscription to play make believe, that is sort of the fundamental point of the hobby.

[Ielenia]

I am speaking about the logical, financial and logistical reasons for downgraded models of NPC which are not important and do not have a playable race counterpart to draw models from.

You misunderstand this and spin it to your intention. What a fine demagogue you are.

It's not about being a demagogue. It's about honesty and admitting your argument fits the high elves just as much. Kul'Tiras NPCs did not need their own model because they weren't playable and had a playable race counterpart to draw models from: the Stormwind humans. It's the exact same thing with high elves: they're not playable and have a playable race counterpart to draw models from: the Horde blood elves.

You are like this pigeon who happens to get something good by chance after doing a pirouette, and now repeating pirouettes over and over hoping to get some more.

And you are the guy without a real argument who instead resorts to insults and demeaning comments.

Blood Elves are High Elves.

But not all high elves are blood elves.