Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[Syegfryed]

Draining ARCANE magic, by using fel spell to CONVERT LIFE into MAGIC(mana color is blue), why would they want to drain fel energy that is green?( while only Fel infused creatures have it), they need to sustain mana withdrawal so they TRANSFORM LIFE OF ALIVE CREATURE into MANA by use of FEL magic.

Mana Tap, Life Tap = its basically one and only spell that transform life into mana, that you need to chose transform your own life or life of others.

No way my GAWD why is it not green? yeah bois?

Life drain = GREEN, but they not drain a life, they convert LIFE into Magic(mana blue).

you are literally pulling this out from thin air

they are not converting life into magic, you have literally no source on that except your own headcanon of how thing work
https://wow.gamepedia.com/Mana_Tap

the process of forcibly taking arcane magic from external sources

Properties
Type
Offensive, Utility

School
Arcane

its currently explicit that Rommanth taught the elves how to siphon arcane magic from magic artifacts and mana wyrms

they need to sustain mana withdrawal so they TRANSFORM LIFE OF ALIVE CREATURE into MANA by use of FEL magic.

thats literally a lie that you made up

they siphoned the arcane magic of mana wyrms and magical artifacts, tis not stated in nowhere that they "transform life in mana by using fel magic"

this quote from the Ask CDev already proof you wrong:

How did the blood elven fel eye glint become so widespread? The Warcraft Encyclopedia suggests that Rommath only taught the blood elves of Azeroth about how to siphon arcane magic, as most of the populace would likely be "horrified" if they knew the true extent of Kael's dealings with Illidan.

The situation regarding blood elf eyes is, in fact, extremely similar to that of the green skin of orcs: just being around heavy use of fel magic turned the eyes of the blood elves green. You could be the most pious of priests or most outdoorsy of Farstriders, chances are, if you were a high elf in Quel'Thalas or Outland following the Third War, you were around fel energies, and your eyes would turn green.

https://wow.gamepedia.com/Ask_CDev#A...wers_-_Round_3

the technique of siphoning arcane magic from magical artifacts and mana wyrms is not a fel magic spell.

Again, they were not converting life into magic they are sucking arcane magic from arcane magic based things

[Broflake]

Honestly did you read the strip which is from a Blizzard comic or are you unable to read?

I mean, nothing there states mana tap or arcane torrent are fel based abilities.

Oh you're a burner account I won't respond to you no more, it's not worth it.

This is a hilarious assumption on your part given it has no basis and is wrong.
Funny enough, those who accuse others of wrongdoing are usually guilty of it themselves.

[Aldo Hawk]

Snip.

Prove what you said instead of escaping. You said you 'ended up' what you had to say. Except you are still here bothering others without proving what you claimed to me.

Prove what you said. I am not gonna repeat what because it's already written, I am not asking you to ask, I am asking you to answer.

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People used this same type of premise for there not being able to be Demonhunters. "The skills have been given to a Warlock" "play a Warlock or Rogue, they're the closest thing we'll have to Demonhunters," suffice it to say that didn't pan out as a truth.

Necromancers appear to be in the same place. Now I don't personally care if Necromancers happen or not. But those arguments above didn't hold up for Demonhunters so it's strange people use them still now for another potential class.

This comes from the guy who didn't cared a bit that mages were getting extra specialized instead of having multiple spells from different school as mages should have.

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...3#post51419863

But for the sake of arguing he is gonna bend his own beliefs just to be against.

It's a waste of time.

[Syegfryed]

Prove what you said instead of escaping. You said you 'ended up' what you had to say. Except you are still here bothering others without proving what you claimed to me.

Prove what you said. I am not gonna repeat what because it's already written, I am not asking you to ask, I am asking you to answer.

the heck are you talking about? the ask CDEV is proof enough that the elves siphoned arcane magic, they din't suck life magic and converted in mana

already proved both you wrong

And im not "escaping" im on purpose ignoring you, because your attempts of bait to get infractions are laughable

[Aucald]

Mana Tap, specifically, is a technique and not itself a type of effect. Illidan taught the technique to Kael'thas using captive demons from which Fel energy was drained, but Rommath only prompted the technique using the Crazed Mana Wyrms that provided Arcane energy to those tapping the creatures for their power. The Blood Elves also siphoned power from the nearby Burning Crystals at some facilities - and these may have been tainted with Fel due to the use of Fel magic used to rebuild Silvermoon City after its destruction in the Third War (thus spreading and accelerating the Fel mutations among the Blood Elves). While Mana Tapping was not a technique looked upon favorably by most, given its vampiric and sadistic nature, it is not in itself inherently Fel nor does transmute siphoned Arcane energy into Fel. Abuse of it, however, was a contributing factor to Blood Elves becoming Wretched.

[Syegfryed]

The Blood Elves also siphoned power from the nearby Burning Crystals at some facilities - and these may have been tainted with Fel due to the use of Fel magic used to rebuild Silvermoon City after its destruction in the Third War (thus spreading and accelerating the Fel mutations among the Blood Elves).

those green crystal that they sucked were not fel magic, the fel crystals were used to empower the structures, but their energy alone is what cause the fel taint(not mutation) because fel work like radiation.

The elves who sucked from the fel crystals were the ones in the dungeon

Abuse of it, however, was a contributing factor to Blood Elves becoming Wretched.

worth to point that had nothing to do with fel

[Aldo Hawk]

the heck are you talking about? the ask CDEV is proof enough that the elves siphoned arcane magic, they din't suck life magic and converted in mana

already proved both you wrong

And im not "escaping" im on purpose ignoring you, because your attempts of bait to get infractions are laughable

@Aucald I have talked with him about some things and he is misleading everything again and again constantly to shift the meaning of everything and change the goalposts constantly.

In this case, I was not talking about the mana tap, if not about the previous post I made to him asking him to prove his claims, but he (again and again) changes the topic to mislead everything, is this reportable or something?

Syegfryed, I perfectly know what you want to do in here, and is not gonna work by virtue of it being incorrect and being lack of actual meaning outside pretending to bother others.

[Syegfryed]

@Aucald I have talked with him about some things and he is misleading everything again and again constantly to shift the meaning of everything and change the goalposts constantly.

In this case, I was not talking about the mana tap, if not about the previous post I made to him asking him to prove his claims, but he (again and again) changes the topic to mislead everything, is this reportable or something?

Syegfryed, I perfectly know what you want to do in here, and is not gonna work by virtue of it being incorrect and being lack of actual meaning outside pretending to bother others.

both claimed that i made, included the mana tap and high elves being able to walk in silvermoon due to their pilgrimage was already proven with actual quotes from the wiki, you yet have proved anything you said

you angrily are antagonizing people with your headcanon

[Aldo Hawk]

both claimed that i made, included the mana tap and high elves being able to walk in silvermoon due to their pilgrimage was already proven with actual quotes from the wiki, you yet have proved anything you said

you angrily are antagonizing people with your headcanon

First of all, I have not brought any headcanon. You seem to not understand what headcanon means.

This is the post where I ask you to prove what you say: https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...1#post51673834

And this is what you respond: https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...1#post51673907

You have not proven anything, and still try to mislead the conversation.

Let's not forget that you are the one who seems to be angrily antagonizing.

[Syegfryed]

First of all, I have not brought any headcanon. You seem to not understand what headcanon means.

This is the post where I ask you to prove what you say: https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...1#post51673834

And this is what you respond: https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...1#post51673907

You have not proven anything, and still try to mislead the conversation.

Let's not forget that you are the one who seems to be angrily antagonizing.

again, you said high elves not being able to walk into silvermoon is one of their characteristic trait, can you proof that? you can't because this is a lie.

it is canon fact that high elves can pilgrimage to the sunwell, you said they could "merely teleport to that" without a proof, then ask proof that they walk to there, this is a joke.

With the shadow of the sun story says Lorthemar is wiling to let the exiled come back if they want, meaning they are allowed to come back if they wish so

[Aucald]

those green crystal that they sucked were not fel magic, the fel crystals were used to empower the structures, but their energy alone is what cause the fel taint(not mutation) because fel work like radiation.

The elves who sucked from the fel crystals were the ones in the dungeon

Actually, it's believed that the traditional Burning Crystals (those fueled by Arcane magic) were similarly tainted by the same Fel radiation that effected the Blood Elves in the ambient sense - they weren't stocked with Fel energy explicitly, but using their tainted Arcane energies accelerated the ongoing process (and contributed to the mass influx of Wretched at Duskwither Spire according to Magister Duskwither's Journal, for instance). The crystals within Magister's Terrace that Selin Fireheart made use of were more the true thing - raw Fel energy likely imported by Kael'thas to fuel his Felblood retinue.

[Broflake]

Actually, it's believed that the traditional Burning Crystals (those fueled by Arcane magic) were similarly tainted by the same Fel radiation that effected the Blood Elves in the ambient sense - they weren't stocked with Fel energy explicitly, but using their tainted Arcane energies accelerated the ongoing process (and contributed to the mass influx of Wretched at Duskwither Spire according to Magister Duskwither's Journal, for instance). The crystals within Magister's Terrace that Selin Fireheart made use of were more the true thing - raw Fel energy likely imported by Kael'thas to fuel his Felblood retinue.

I believe the problem is that in game, the green arcane crystals have the same appearance as the fel crystals. So even though there are crystals which may not be fel corrupted it is impossible to tell.

[Aucald]

I believe the problem is that in game, the green arcane crystals have the same appearance as the fel crystals. So even though there are crystals which may not be fel corrupted it is impossible to tell.

By design, I would imagine - it's meant to be left up to speculation to a degree. According to official artwork the crystals were always emerald green in color, even in the days prior to the Third War, when we knew they were all Arcane reservoirs of power. In order to power Silvermoon some of them were filled with Fel energies (to power the city's many enchantments and impossible architecture), others remained Arcane - the ones used by the citizens as pick-me-ups, so to speak. But the Fel taint across Silvermoon City due to the Fel used in its rebuilding and upkeep was prolific and widespread, a kind of intense background radiation that caused all kinds of havoc, including the tainting of the otherwise "normal" Burning Crystals as well as effecting the wildlife. Consuming mana from these tainted sources, the same ones knowingly used by Magister Duskwither, was exceedingly dangerous - hence his ill-fated research in attempting to "purify" them for normal use.

[Syegfryed]

Actually, it's believed that the traditional Burning Crystals (those fueled by Arcane magic) were similarly tainted by the same Fel radiation that effected the Blood Elves in the ambient sense - they weren't stocked with Fel energy explicitly, but using their tainted Arcane energies accelerated the ongoing process (and contributed to the mass influx of Wretched at Duskwither Spire according to Magister Duskwither's Journal, for instance). The crystals within Magister's Terrace that Selin Fireheart made use of were more the true thing - raw Fel energy likely imported by Kael'thas to fuel his Felblood retinue.

if fel magic tainted the arcane crystal im pretty sure this would be mentioned in the ask dev, they said only the energies around tainted the elves, energies coming from the crystals they used only to empower the structures.

so they just sucked the arcane magic noting more

[Aucald]

if fel magic tainted the arcane crystal im pretty sure this would be mentioned in the ask dev, they said only the energies around tainted the elves, energies coming from the crystals they used only to empower the structures.

so they just sucked the arcane magic noting more

Wouldn't really be mentioned if it weren't directly asked, but Duskwither's journal certainly implies this is the case, as does the surrounding lore about the crystals causing the wildlife to go "insane" when that didn't happen previously.

[Broflake]

Wouldn't really be mentioned if it weren't directly asked, but Duskwither's journal certainly implies this is the case, as does the surrounding lore about the crystals causing the wildlife to go "insane" when that didn't happen previously.

I wonder if there are any plans for them to update silvermoon. It would be nice if it was moved out of its TBC era and we were to see a restored Isle and Silvermoon area.

[Syegfryed]

Wouldn't really be mentioned if it weren't directly asked, but Duskwither's journal certainly implies this is the case, as does the surrounding lore about the crystals causing the wildlife to go "insane" when that didn't happen previously.

it would mention blood elves sucking arcane magic tainted by fel magic, this alone would explain the green eyes, but as explained, it was not the case, they sucked just arcane magic, and the green eyes is result of the fel crystals used to empower the structures.

the wildlife going "insane" would be due tot hose fel crystals, or effect of those

[Aucald]

it would mention blood elves sucking arcane magic tainted by fel magic, this alone would explain the green eyes, but as explained, it was not the case, they sucked just arcane magic, and the green eyes is result of the fel crystals used to empower the structures.

the wildlife going "insane" would be due tot hose fel crystals, or effect of those

It actually does mention it - Ask a CDev Round 3: "Fel magic works a bit like radiation in this sense; it permeates the area and seeps into anything in the vicinity. Anything near a source of fel magic shows signs of slight corruption, it just so happens that high elves and orcs manifest it in a very visual way." Emphasis on the anything, because that would include the Burning Crystals containing Arcane magic, why would they be exempt? The background radiation is generally given credit for the change in the Blood Elves' eye coloration, but if Fel energy effected the Burning Crystals this too would be part of the same pattern.

It's mentioned explicitly that the mana wyrms and several lynxes went insane around the crystals, but this is attributed to their "lack of upkeep" in-game. But given the general shroud of secrecy the Blood Elves' have about their home and Rommath's use of Fel magic to rebuilt it almost overnight, this too scans with the narrative. I would consider it almost a given, myself.

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I wonder if there are any plans for them to update silvermoon. It would be nice if it was moved out of its TBC era and we were to see a restored Isle and Silvermoon area.

I would really like to see that, myself. Both Quel'Thalas and Azuremyst Isle are really due for an overhaul and focus in the story. I would like to see Silvermoon City specifically take on a form more in keeping with how it is shown in "Chronicle Vol. 3," albeit with a suitable in-game scope.

[Syegfryed]

why would they be exempt? The background radiation is generally given credit for the change in the Blood Elves' eye coloration, but if Fel energy effected the Burning Crystals this too would be part of the same pattern.

the fel energy tainting the arcane source would be very noticeable included to the ones sucking from then and would be mentioned in the ask cdev

"they got green eyes because they sucked fel energy from the arcane crystals tainted" but they didn't fed on fel energy, just arcane.

It's mentioned explicitly that the mana wyrms and several lynxes went insane around the crystals, but this is attributed to their "lack of upkeep" in-game. But given the general shroud of secrecy the Blood Elves' have about their home and Rommath's use of Fel magic to rebuilt it almost overnight, this too scans with the narrative. I would consider it almost a given, myself.

arcane energy can let other creatures in a "wild", chaotic state too, it don't need to be fel

[Aucald]

the fel energy tainting the arcane source would be very noticeable included to the ones sucking from then and would be mentioned in the ask cdev

"they got green eyes because they sucked fel energy from the arcane crystals tainted" but they didn't fed on fel energy, just arcane.

Very noticeable how? The presence of burning "eyes" within the depths of the crystal? The question in the CDev interview wasn't specifically about the crystals, just how the Blood Elves acquired their eye coloration. They did indeed feed on Arcane energy, but *everything* around them carried the Fel taint due to the aforementioned use of it to rebuild the city. Their feeding upon tainted Arcane took the taint into their bodies as well as being effected by the ambient sources.

arcane energy can let other creatures in a "wild", chaotic state too, it don't need to be fel

Except given the givens, it likely was tainted by Fel - it dovetails far too neatly with everything else we know, along with many Magisters making secretive and furtive use of Fel energies in their studies (e.g. Duskwither, Felendren, and Rommath himself).