Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[cocomen2]

So you want to tell me , that ordinary old hag woman FULL OF ARCANE ENERGY?, or they can convert life of human beings into ARCANE ENERGY without using of fel spells?
(if only warlocks knew of this shenanigans ways ..... lel to do their job without FEL magic...)Laugh in Sarcastic



Fel is fueled by drawing life from living beings and consuming their souls , utterly destroying them in the process.[4] It requires but an insignificant sacrifice—a living fish or two, a few strands of seaweed—to fuel the magic .

https://wow.gamepedia.com/Fel
Infusion with fel magic, also called fel corruption, can manifest with positive effects in which case it can be considered a gift, or a blessing, like that of the eredar, or with negative ones in which case it can be considered a curse. Physical transformation normally ensues, such as a change to an individual's eyes or skin color, or heavy genetic mutations such as growth of demonic traits like spikes, scales, and horns.

BTW Trident was magic empowered item that not alive, not a random joe, arcane energy inside of item okay but inside of random HUMANS? ........?

[Aldo Hawk]

again, you said high elves not being able to walk into silvermoon is one of their characteristic trait, can you proof that? you can't because this is a lie.

Because they can't simply go there? They can't, stop inventing.

it is canon fact that high elves can pilgrimage to the sunwell, you said they could "merely teleport to that" without a proof, then ask proof that they walk to there, this is a joke.

I said that you assumed too fast that they do go through the city to do so when there are other ways that are more direct and nobody knows the route. Thing that, I asked you proof for, since you presented yourself as an expert of that obscured part of the lore.

With the shadow of the sun story says Lorthemar is wiling to let the exiled come back if they want, meaning they are allowed to come back if they wish so

I already told you that these were the Quel'lithien. They are dead.

Dead, rotten, dead.

You have not proven anything that you claimed, and you ignored whatever you was not able to prove, your responses are actually the joke here.

[Syegfryed]

or they can convert life of human beings into ARCANE ENERGY without using of fel spells?

they don't do that, you are inventing this, it is explicit said they just siphon the mana from the creatures.

Very noticeable how? The presence of burning "eyes" within the depths of the crystal? The question in the CDev interview wasn't specifically about the crystals, just how the Blood Elves acquired their eye coloration.

yes, and if there was fel on those arcane crystals, the ones they sucked, that would be the reason of the green eyes, and it wasn't

Their feeding upon tainted Arcane took the taint into their bodies as well as being effected by the ambient sources.

if this was true then they would have said in the ask dev, they didn't feed upon tainted arcane sources.

Except given the givens, it likely was tainted by Fel

the fel crystals were not used to fed the elves, arcane magic can let the creatures wild

If they were sucking arcane "taint" energy it would be much more noticeable and would even further their addiction and consequences of the magic.

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Because they can't simply go there? They can't, stop inventing.

they can do to their pilgrimage, Auric is there, other elves are there too, who is inventing?

I said that you assumed too fast that they do go through the city to do so when there are other ways that are more direct and nobody knows the route.

sure they would simple create a portal and go there, or take a ship and do a even long route undermining the meaning of the pilgrimage

I already told you that these were the Quel'lithien. They are dead.

There is no single reason to assume those are the only elves allowed to go back

You have not proven anything that you claimed, and you ignored whatever you was not able to prove, your responses are actually the joke here.

sure keep believing in that.

[Rhlor]

whats the relevancy of this with the restoration of the sunwell? with the faction war officially ending and going on the back burner what is even the point of an alliance "high" elf now?

why doesnt anyway on the pro side ever propose the one most likely solution to get a blue eyed blood elf? a story where the high elf people are reunited in quel'thalas. lore wise they would still be the "alliance high elves." that they are horde aligned is irrelevant, lorewise they would finally be playable and now is the perfect time. breaking the cycle as it were

high elves to me are the blood elves now. everything that makes a high a high elf is tied up with them now(quel'thalas, the sunwell). i just dont see the point of wanting to be a high elf in WoW without being able to walk the streets of silvermoon


lanesh the steelweaver a blue eyed blood elf that has appeared in 2 different expansions


blood elves fulfill the high elf fantasy for me. making them neutral just doesnt feel right to me when the vast majority identify as blood elf now

Something interesting to note is that Danuser knows about Lanesh, and says that there is a story that one day he would like to tell about him! blue eyes are not a bug
Kay
@KayJayEme
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19 sept.
@moorgard

I know you probably wont see this question, or know the answer (Because its still a mystery) but do you happen to know who "exactly" Lanesh the Steelweaver is, and why he has blue eyes?

Sincerely, a curious WoW nerd.
Steve Danuser
@moorgard
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@KayJayEme
I did see this, and I do know who he is. Would rather not delve into character backgrounds here, as someday there might be an opportunity to tell the tale in game. That's always more satisfying than an off-the-cuff tweet.
https://twitter.com/Moorgard/status/1174787595542433792

[Aldo Hawk]

they can do to their pilgrimage, Auric is there, other elves are there too, who is inventing?

Visiting the Sunwell is a birthright that we don't know if they maintain after the events of the purge of Dalaran.

However, inventing that because the High elves have a representative in there it also means they are treated as any other citizen is utterly wrong.

Auric being there further proves they are not the same people. And we don't even know if he is still actually there because more than a decade has passed since WotLK came out and the last we know about Auric is through Auric's angels, ergo, he works a lot for the Alliance.

sure they would simple create a portal and go there, or take a ship and do a even long route undermining the meaning of the pilgrimage

What is the meaning of the pilgrimage? I told you to prove claims as this and you didn't. And is hilarious because you present yourself as an expert.

There is no single reason to assume those are the only elves allowed to go back

These are the only ones you allude to because these are the only ones Lor'themar got in contact with on that book. You don't have anything else, you try to expand a fact into a whole different thing.

They are dead, dead dead super dead. And if we go with the favorite assumption of the anti position, these were the only ones that were exiled. The others decided to leave by their own means.

Again, you proved nothing and further strengthened my position, thanks.

sure keep believing in that.

Is not that I believe in that, luv, is that I tried for you to prove what I wrote you left without any proof and after being responded with a misleading post I actually linked the post where I ask you for proof with specific wording and you still avoided answering any of it.

[Aucald]

yes, and if there was fel on those arcane crystals, the ones they sucked, that would be the reason of the green eyes, and it wasn't

That would only be true if there could be only be one source of Fel corruption, and that's not really explicated anywhere - and we know Orcs were both effected by ambient Fel as well as the concentrated Fel energy from Mannoroth's blood (which was described to instantly cause green coloration as well as burning, red eyes).

if this was true then they would have said in the ask dev, they didn't feed upon tainted arcane sources.

Again, the question was not about the Crystals specifically - you're making a negative inference based on zero information, one way or the other.

the fel crystals were not used to fed the elves, arcane magic can let the creatures wild

If they were sucking arcane "taint" energy it would be much more noticeable and would even further their addiction and consequences of the magic.

In the Sanctum area of Silvermoon City you can see Blood Elves draining energy directly from a Burning Crystal.



The tainted Arcane energy was already known to accelerate the Wretched transformation, as detailed in the Duskwither Spire quests.

[Aldo Hawk]

Interesting... I didn't remember about this place though I think I have visited it a long, long time ago.

However I knew about this other one, it's at the south side on the first plaza you can access after entering Silvermoon from the main gate, at the right.


https://twitter.com/Aldo_WoW_420/sta...26951072784384

[Syegfryed]

Visiting the Sunwell is a birthright that we don't know if they maintain after the events of the purge of Dalaran.

oh yes, you don't know, thats because its your headcanon, the purge of dalaran is a silver covenant thing, this don't mean other HE are not allowed.

However, inventing that because the High elves have a representative in there it also means they are treated as any other citizen is utterly wrong.

I never said they are treated as any other, you again are inventing things.

Auric being there further proves they are not the same people.

Auric being there further proves that HE can go there if they want, proving my point

And we don't even know if he is still actually there because more than a decade has passed since WotLK came out and the last we know about Auric is through Auric's angels, ergo, he works a lot for the Alliance

a decade have passed in real world, ingame it has passed barely 6 years, him still there is not the point, the point is he and other HE can go there, even if they are alliance

What is the meaning of the pilgrimage? I told you to prove claims as this and you didn't. And is hilarious because you present yourself as an expert.

a pilgrimage is a journey to the destiny point, its often used for devoted people from a religion to reach a sacred place, when they walk and travel there in the symbol of their faith, merely teleportation to the destiny undermine the entire point of the pilgrimage.

These are the only ones you allude to because these are the only ones Lor'themar got in contact with on that book.

with Auric and other HE there further proves other than those are allowed

How he said Alleria can go too further proof how other can also go, cause its a birthright of all high elves

Again, you proved nothing and further strengthened my position, thanks.

your sense of logic is so much distorted because of the years bending facts int hose elf threads

[Aldo Hawk]

Snip.

Enough, you just keep repeating how much I invent things while saying how much my mind is out of reality or something. I should have done this long before but to the ignore list you go. What a waste of time. Not even proving what is said, pfft.

Last 12 responses from this same guy and it's always the same, it's tiring man...

[Syegfryed]

That would only be true if there could be only be one source of Fel corruption

not rly, if there was more reason to taint the elves he would have said there was other reasons and sources, there is no reason to say just one and not the other.

and that's not really explicated anywhere - and we know Orcs were both effected by ambient Fel as well as the concentrated Fel energy from Mannoroth's blood (which was described to instantly cause green coloration as well as burning, red eyes).

those who drunk demon blood got corrupted, and the fel energies corrupted the others, where is the correlation?

Again, the question was not about the Crystals specifically - you're making a negative inference based on zero information, one way or the other.

the question was about why their eyes are green, why they are tainted by fel magic, and the answer was being around fel energies

if the arcane crystals had fel energy that would be the reason, since they are sucking from then, a way more actively way to get the fel radiation

In the Sanctum area of Silvermoon City you can see Blood Elves draining energy directly from a Burning Crystal.

The tainted Arcane energy was already known to accelerate the Wretched transformation, as detailed in the Duskwither Spire quests.

Burning crystals are different from fel crystals

those are fel crystals


the wretched transformation have nothing to do with fel energy

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Enough, you just keep repeating how much I invent things while saying how much my mind is out of reality or something. I should have done this long before but to the ignore list you go. What a waste of time. Not even proving what is said, pfft.

Last 12 responses from this same guy and it's always the same, it's tiring man...

now you are going to play the victim card? i already stop answering you some time ago, you keep tagging me "asking proof" that you will not acknowledge anyway.

Again you demand proof ignore then ones given, and don't give a single proof yourself, sure its tiring.

[Aucald]

not rly, if there was more reason to taint the elves he would have said there was other reasons and sources, there is no reason to say just one and not the other.

The "one" reason both includes and implies the other. Fel corruption effected *everything* the area of Silvermoon, including the Burning Crystals. And extending the metaphor of Fel like ionizing radiation, which do you think is more harmful or mutagenic - ambient exposure, or actually consuming a portion of a radioactive material into your body?

those who drunk demon blood got corrupted, and the fel energies corrupted the others, where is the correlation?

It's an extrapolation of the same delivery mechanism. Ambient exposure to Fel causing physiological mutation and direct consumption of Fel energies causing mutations. Ambient Fel radiation on Draenor compares to the fallout around Silvermoon proper, and drinking the Blood of Mannoroth would be akin to consuming Fel-tainted energies.

the question was about why their eyes are green, why they are tainted by fel magic, and the answer was being around fel energies

if the arcane crystals had fel energy that would be the reason, since they are sucking from then, a way more actively way to get the fel radiation

Which is still a valid answer, albeit one with a number of extenuating and logical circumstances. The Burning Crystals are themselves an ambient fixture and phenomenon.

Burning crystals are different from fel crystals

those are fel crystals

No, those are literally Burning Crystal clusters, such as:



Same doodad with the same design.

the wretched transformation have nothing to do with fel energy

The Wretched Fiends beg to differ:



Overdosing on both Arcane and Fel energies can trigger the transformation into Wretched. There's a max-level quest in HFP to actually do this to a number of Kael'thas' Felblood Initiates, turning them into Wretched so that they can be more easily killed.

[Syegfryed]

The "one" reason both includes and implies the other. Fel corruption effected *everything* the area of Silvermoon, including the Burning Crystals. And extending the metaphor of Fel like ionizing radiation, which do you think is more harmful or mutagenic - ambient exposure, or actually consuming a portion of a radioactive material into your body?

the thing is, if the crystals were corrupted or even tainted by fel energy it would be know easily, by everyone sucking from then, those effects of fel energy would be directly and that would be the reason their eyes got green, because you are actively feeding on a fel source, they would be even more affected and their thirst would be way worse like the other elves who feed on fel, and this would be the reason they would give to us in the ASk dev

but its explicitly said they only feed on arcane, not arcane tainted by fel,this would be just projection and a stretch

It's an extrapolation of the same delivery mechanism. Ambient exposure to Fel causing physiological mutation and direct consumption of Fel energies causing mutations. Ambient Fel radiation on Draenor compares to the fallout around Silvermoon proper, and drinking the Blood of Mannoroth would be akin to consuming Fel-tainted energies.

not that much, but you re implying both elves sucked on fel and got fel exposure,just because it happens it works, just because A equal B, B dont equal C

but like happened to works directly contact with fel source by consuming, make stronger and way more sucestible changes in your body and mind, like the orcs who drank got instantly green, similar effect should have happened with the elves if they feed on fel energy or arcne corrupted energy. and they would know what they were drinking.

Which is still a valid answer, albeit one with a number of extenuating and logical circumstances. The Burning Crystals are themselves an ambient fixture and phenomenon.

but if they were "fel tainted" or corrupted, he would have said that,becaue that would be the reson the eyes got green, directly feed on that source, but again, it was not the reason

No, those are literally Burning Crystal clusters, such as:

Same doodad with the same design.

Burning crystals do not have fel energy, only the fel crystals

The Wretched Fiends beg to differ:

Overdosing on both Arcane and Fel energies can trigger the transformation into Wretched.

thats the point, it have nothing to do with fel or arcane, is an elf condition, when they overdose magic

the ones in tbc became like that because they overdosed arcane, not fel.

[Aucald]

the thing is, if the crystals were corrupted or even tainted by fel energy it would be know easily, by everyone sucking from then, those effects of fel energy would be directly and that would be the reason their eyes got green, because you are actively feeding on a fel source, they would be even more affected and their thirst would be way worse like the other elves who feed on fel, and this would be the reason they would give to us in the ASk dev

but its explicitly said they only feed on arcane, not arcane tainted by fel,this would be just projection and a stretch

Fel-tainted != pure Fel, though. They were indeed feeding on Arcane energies stored in the crystals, unaware (mostly) that there was Fel energy mingled in the energies due to the fallout surrounded Silvermoon City. Would be the same as people eating fish near the damaged Fukushima reactor, by example - we wouldn't say they were "eating radiation directly," but nuclear fallout and ionizing particles would still be found in both flora and fauna near the site. Ingesting said particles would be more deleterious in the short-term than proximity exposure. They did indeed *explicitly* feed on Arcane (excepting those who didn't), but since everything in the location was tainted, they also fed on traces of Fel.

not that much, but you re implying both elves sucked on fel and got fel exposure,just because it happens it works, just because A equal B, B dont equal C

but like happened to works directly contact with fel source by consuming, make stronger and way more sucestible changes in your body and mind, like the orcs who drank got instantly green, similar effect should have happened with the elves if they feed on fel energy or arcne corrupted energy. and they would know what they were drinking.

There's no knowledge on how quickly the Blood Elves' eyes changed color, or if they did it uniformly, of certain segments were first, etc. etc. I would assume the Magisters who probably had need of more Arcane energies likely were the first to change, followed by the priesthood, and then the Farstriders who eschewed the Arcane in general (but still bore the legacy of connection to the Sunwell, and thus the Arcane hunger). I would say this model makes the most sense given what we know.

but if they were "fel tainted" or corrupted, he would have said that,becaue that would be the reson the eyes got green, directly feed on that source, but again, it was not the reason

That seems an odd stance: "If Blizzard didn't explicitly state A, then it never happened." The developers don't explicitly say a lot of things, but we still know they happened and/or can easily infer their nature given existing information. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, as the axiom goes - and plenty of information has already been provided to detail and justify the claim.

Burning crystals do not have fel energy, only the fel crystals

I didn't say they did - they were tainted with Fel energies, due to its extended use in rebuilding Silvermoon City, but they didn't explicitly contain Fel energy except in some cases (the sources used to power the city, not those used by the citizenry in most cases).

thats the point, it have nothing to do with fel or arcane, is an elf condition, when they overdose magic

the ones in tbc became like that because they overdosed arcane, not fel.

That's basically what I said previously - both Arcane and Fel energy can cause conversion into Wretched. You see the results of Arcane overdoes in and around Silvermoon City, and you encounter the Fel variety of Wretched in HFP and around IQD. They use the same models but the Fel Wretched are more zombie-like and having flowing green pustules dotting their features.

[Syegfryed]

Fel-tainted != pure Fel, though.

regardless it would still cause more visually effects.

They were indeed feeding on Arcane energies stored in the crystals, unaware (mostly) that there was Fel energy mingled in the energies due to the fallout surrounded Silvermoon City.

if the crystals were mingled with fel energy they would have noted that something was wrong, fel energy is not subtle by any means

Would be the same as people eating fish near the damaged Fukushima reactor, by example - we wouldn't say they were "eating radiation directly," but nuclear fallout and ionizing particles would still be found in both flora and fauna near the site. Ingesting said particles would be more deleterious in the short-term than proximity exposure.

And eating those is way more noticiable and dangerous, leaving way more "marks" than just being around

if the elves were sucking on arcane energies by fel that would be the key factor point of their eye glow and would be noted by the askdevs, and it wasn't corroborating to the point of that was not the case, the only fel taint was due to the fel crystals that were used to rebuild, and that alone

They did indeed *explicitly* feed on Arcane (excepting those who didn't), but since everything in the location was tainted, they also fed on traces of Fel.

thats pure conjecture and a stretch of what happened, if they fed on "traces of fel" that woul be mentioned since it would be more noticiable, more adcitive and would cause more damage to the elves.

There's no knowledge on how quickly the Blood Elves' eyes changed color, or if they did it uniformly, of certain segments were first, etc. etc. I would assume the Magisters who probably had need of more Arcane energies likely were the first to change, followed by the priesthood, and then the Farstriders who eschewed the Arcane in general (but still bore the legacy of connection to the Sunwell, and thus the Arcane hunger). I would say this model makes the most sense given what we know.

that we are entering in the assumptions point, but that is not relevant since the ask dev explicitly said that not matter if you are a farstrider or a magister you eyes would turn green, because they were not feeding on fel or arcane magic with fel, but because they were around fel energies.

That seems an odd stance: "If Blizzard didn't explicitly state A, then it never happened." The developers don't explicitly say a lot of things, but we still know they happened and/or can easily infer their nature given existing information. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, as the axiom goes - and plenty of information has already been provided to detail and justify the claim.

we don't have "absence of evidence" we have the exactly cause of what turned their eyes green, the exactly cause of that was fel radiation around, anything beyond that is pure assumption and headcanon.

If they were feeding on fel tainted energies, that would be the reason, because obviously is a more direct and strong effect and would be mentioned

I didn't say they did - they were tainted with Fel energies, due to its extended use in rebuilding Silvermoon City, but they didn't explicitly contain Fel energy except in some cases (the sources used to power the city, not those used by the citizenry in most cases).

even if we take that as true and some crystals were tainted they obviously didn't feed on those, because that would be a significant piece of lore that would not be left unspoken in the very response they answer about this.

[Aucald]

regardless it would still cause more visually effects.

I'd say you need to provide some evidence of that - why would it cause more visual effects? What form of effects would it cause? Why would it cause them? Cite a source of some form showing your work.

if the crystals were mingled with fel energy they would have noted that something was wrong, fel energy is not subtle by any means

Given that the crystals were strangely emerald in hue before, what effect are you looking for? Fel energy is not subtle, but then neither were the curious changes around them (e.g. wildlife going insane, the presence of maddeded Arcane wraiths, etc. etc.) These didn't happen previously.

And eating those is way more noticiable and dangerous, leaving way more "marks" than just being around

if the elves were sucking on arcane energies by fel that would be the key factor point of their eye glow and would be noted by the askdevs, and it wasn't corroborating to the point of that was not the case, the only fel taint was due to the fel crystals that were used to rebuild, and that alone

Again, how do you know that? I see nothing in the CDev comments that points to this one way or the other, why are you inferring it? What's your source for this information? The CDev text literally quite literally says the Fel fallout afflicted *everything* in and around Silvermoon, why would this not include the Burning Crystals and similar objects? What is your source making them exempt?

thats pure conjecture and a stretch of what happened, if they fed on "traces of fel" that woul be mentioned since it would be more noticiable, more adcitive and would cause more damage to the elves.

It's a literal extrapolation of the CDev information, specifically:

The situation regarding blood elf eyes is, in fact, extremely similar to that of the green skin of orcs: just being around heavy use of fel magic turned the eyes of the blood elves green. You could be the most pious of priests or most outdoorsy of Farstriders, chances are, if you were a high elf in Quel'Thalas or Outland following the Third War, you were around fel energies, and your eyes would turn green. Like the orcs' skin color, such an effect would take a very long time to wear off. Fel magic works a bit like radiation in this sense; it permeates the area and seeps into anything in the vicinity. Anything near a source of fel magic shows signs of slight corruption, it just so happens that high elves and orcs manifest it in a very visual way. (Source)

"... it permeates the area and seeps into anything in the vicinity," said anything obviously including objects and structures. It stands to reason that the Burning Crystals and the energy they contained were also tainted by Fel, meaning that by utilizing the crystals as we've seen depicted already, the Blood Elves also took Fel energy into the systems in addition to environmental exposure. This seems pretty open and shut to me, neither conjecture nor a stretch. If you can find some example countermanding or issuing a retcon to this known information, it should be easy to provide.

that we are entering in the assumptions point, but that is not relevant since the ask dev explicitly said that not matter if you are a farstrider or a magister you eyes would turn green, because they were not feeding on fel or arcane magic with fel, but because they were around fel energies.

As I said, we don't know how the changes occurred - we only know that they occurred, and that by the time the Blood Elves were seen in-game the changes were nearly total for the population of greater Quel'Thalas. I assume the Farstriders were likely the last to turn, getting only trace Fel taint from their environment due to the aforementioned fallout, and the Magisters would've been among the first as they're most likely to both be at ground zero of Fel usage as well as imbibing it from tainted sources like Burning Crystals. This isn't an unsourced assumption, it's a cogent theory backed by both in-game and referenced material which has been provided. The only thing missing is a statement from Blizzard saying literally "yes, the Burning Crystals were effected by Fel taint and had an effect on the Blood Elves using them." I don't personally think that required for this equation, really.

we don't have "absence of evidence" we have the exactly cause of what turned their eyes green, the exactly cause of that was fel radiation around, anything beyond that is pure assumption and headcanon.

If they were feeding on fel tainted energies, that would be the reason, because obviously is a more direct and strong effect and would be mentioned

*Anything* in and around Silvermoon is Fel-tainted, thus the crystals and their energies are tainted. That is direct from the CDev answer above, you can't really get more explicit without trying to change the definition of "anything" to suit a specific argument.

even if we take that as true and some crystals were tainted they obviously didn't feed on those, because that would be a significant piece of lore that would not be left unspoken in the very response they answer about this.

The citizenry of Silvermoon didn't know Fel was used to reconstruct the city, it was a state secret - so why wouldn't they feed on them? It's not a significant piece of lore left unspoken, it's a direct consequence of the lore of we already know. It's a given.

[Syegfryed]

I'd say you need to provide some evidence of that - why would it cause more visual effects?

the more the fel magic consumed the more the effects on your body

Cite a source of some form showing your work.

the orc situation with you pointed, the ones who drank directly got burning red eyes, unlike the other who didn't, the red orcs is again proof of how the more the fel magic the more trace of corruption you show.

Given that the crystals were strangely emerald in hue before, what effect are you looking for?

effects on the elves, if they were indeed feeding on fel tainted sources that would be way more noticed on their, int heir behaviors and knowing what they were sucking there was no way they, powerful magicians with affinity of magic would not notice that their food was not tainted somehow with fel magic.

Again, how do you know that? I see nothing in the CDev comments that points to this one way or the other, why are you inferring it? What's your source for this information? The CDev text literally quite literally says the Fel fallout afflicted *everything* in and around Silvermoon, why would this not include the Burning Crystals and similar objects? What is your source making them exempt?

Again, even if the elf energies tainted the crystals, the blood elves didn't feed on those because that would be mentioned, that blood elves got green eyes by sucking arcane magic from fel tainted sources, and we know that is not the reason, in nowhere is said blood elves feed on arcane taint

"... it permeates the area and seeps into anything in the vicinity," said anything obviously including objects and structures.

not in the magic though, not every place in quel'thalas had fel crystals

It stands to reason that the Burning Crystals and the energy they contained were also tainted by Fel, meaning that by utilizing the crystals as we've seen depicted already, the Blood Elves also took Fel energy into the systems in addition to environmental exposure.

thats like you said its extrapolation and your own view of how worked, blizzard pretty confirmed the only elves who feed on fel energies were the ones who sided with kael in outland and later on the Dungeon, saying they took elf energy into their system by that is a big dump of lore that would not be left unnoticed.

Again, if that happen, they obvious should have said in the answer, its like saying the fel energy tainted also the water, the food and everything they consumed, and its not the case, the answer explicitly said the fel energy around tainted the elves, not their source of magic, their were around and they got their eyes green.

The only thing missing is a statement from Blizzard saying literally "yes, the Burning Crystals were effected by Fel taint and had an effect on the Blood Elves using them." I don't personally think that required for this equation, really.

Maybe its missing because its not true at all? there is no reason to omit such big information in the question this is brought up

*Anything* in and around Silvermoon is Fel-tainted, thus the crystals and their energies are tainted. That is direct from the CDev answer above, you can't really get more explicit without trying to change the definition of "anything" to suit a specific argument.

you re taking the word 'anything" too literally, while ignoring the fact that if the energy was tainted the elves would have know and feel the effects of that and blizz would have said that since there was no reason to omit if it was the case

The citizenry of Silvermoon didn't know Fel was used to reconstruct the city, it was a state secret - so why wouldn't they feed on them? It's not a significant piece of lore left unspoken, it's a direct consequence of the lore of we already know. It's a given.

they not knowing don't mean they would not feel the difference

its not a "direct consequence" its a assumption based on a extrapolation, what we know is elves do not feed on fel, but arcane energy, and their eyes got green due to the radiation from energies around, not because they feed on sources corrupted by fel energies, anything beyond that is assumption.

[FlubberPuddy]

I love how Syegfred who hates elves so much, is trying to do so much to 'protect' a specific argument of Blood Elf lore.

It's just wonderful irony

[Aldo Hawk]

I love how Syegfred who hates elves so much, is trying to do so much to 'protect' a specific argument of Blood Elf lore.

It's just wonderful irony

I don't exactly know the problem with saying that fel was all around and that inevitably it got absorbed one way or the other.

It literally changes zero, it's the same as saying they got irradiated by it. How does anyone think irradiated fel sinks into a body? It's being literally absorbed... Duh...

But the best part is him claiming to know certain parts of lore as if he himself wrote it, exactly as he did to me. And of course instead of providing a source (that doesn't exist) everything are excuses and a 'no but' and unexpected digresses sprinkled with void acusations that can't be proved nevertheless -_-

I have done well by ignoring him, next time I will not even answer the first time, doesn't matter what is said, he just demonstrated with how much bad faith he argues with.

[Aucald]

the more the fel magic consumed the more the effects on your body

Granted, but either way we know that the amount they consumed regardless of the manner of consumption, created the effects we later see in them. I would label this an argument from nothing - the end-result is the same either way.

the orc situation with you pointed, the ones who drank directly got burning red eyes, unlike the other who didn't, the red orcs is again proof of how the more the fel magic the more trace of corruption you show.

And Blood Elves show the same basic arc, yes. Minor Fel taint changes the color of their eyes and apparently darkens their psychology, whereas major Fel taint causes them to develop scales, blackened flesh, grow wings, etc. etc. The Blood of Mannoroth did not turn Orcs into Fel or Chaos Orcs directly, though; they didn't develop red skin or grow demonic horns and such from their bodies.

effects on the elves, if they were indeed feeding on fel tainted sources that would be way more noticed on their, int heir behaviors and knowing what they were sucking there was no way they, powerful magicians with affinity of magic would not notice that their food was not tainted somehow with fel magic.

Again, this is an argument from nothing. You're making an implication here that is basically already covered either way. We have no way of knowing what "level" of Fel causes what effects, we only know that ambient Fel and pervasive Fel taint does X thing to Blood Elves. The result in the same.

Again, even if the elf energies tainted the crystals, the blood elves didn't feed on those because that would be mentioned, that blood elves got green eyes by sucking arcane magic from fel tainted sources, and we know that is not the reason, in nowhere is said blood elves feed on arcane taint

You've seen visual evidence of Blood Elves feeding on the tainted crystals - that not really a deniable thing. If you concede the crystals were indeed tainted by Fel, then you reflexively accept that they did indeed imbibe residual Fel energies from them.

not in the magic though, not every place in quel'thalas had fel crystals

A distinction without a difference. The taint permeated everything and anything in the vicinity, unless you can again point out exceptions and cite evidence for them.

thats like you said its extrapolation and your own view of how worked, blizzard pretty confirmed the only elves who feed on fel energies were the ones who sided with kael in outland and later on the Dungeon, saying they took elf energy into their system by that is a big dump of lore that would not be left unnoticed.

Again, if that happen, they obvious should have said in the answer, its like saying the fel energy tainted also the water, the food and everything they consumed, and its not the case, the answer explicitly said the fel energy around tainted the elves, not their source of magic, their were around and they got their eyes green.

The Blood Elves who sided with Kael fed *directly* from demons, e.g. captured Terrofiends such as those seen at the Throne of Kil'jaeden. The Blood Elves feed on both organic foodstuffs as well as the magic contained in Burning Crystals in the absence of the Sunwell, ergo the Blood Elves consumed Fel taint from multiple sources. Extrapolation is not conjecture, it's an understanding of a given causal relationship or trend producing a measurable and predictable set of results. The process of A, to B, to outcome C. Their sources of magic are things, things in the vicinity of the Fel fallout, and thus subject to Fel taint.

Maybe its missing because its not true at all? there is no reason to omit such big information in the question this is brought up

It's been referenced multiple times now, with corroborating evidence from multiple sources, including a refutation of your original source showing that this interpretation is indeed borne out by the Devs themselves. In that light, your claim is the one with zero evidence thus far - and your insistence that it isn't true is the Internet equivalent of someone sticking their fingers in their ears and chanting "nuh uh" to drown out a competing argument. Which is to say, it's not a very compelling argument at the end of the day.

you re taking the word 'anything" too literally, while ignoring the fact that if the energy was tainted the elves would have know and feel the effects of that and blizz would have said that since there was no reason to omit if it was the case

How does one take the word "anything" too literally? It means any thing, any object, up to and including every object in the area of effect. How else does one define anything? This argument stretches credulity to a snapping point.

they not knowing don't mean they would not feel the difference

its not a "direct consequence" its a assumption based on a extrapolation, what we know is elves do not feed on fel, but arcane energy, and their eyes got green due to the radiation from energies around, not because they feed on sources corrupted by fel energies, anything beyond that is assumption.

Again, you're making a claim that I did not make - you either don't understand the argument, or you've constructed a Strawman version of it to argue against. I'm not saying the Blood Elves fed explicitly on Fel (excepting of course the Felblood Elves we see later), but that the Arcane energies they fed on were tainted by the same Fel fallout that effected *all* of Greater Silvermoon. Yes, the Blood Elves fed on Arcane energies, but those energies carried the same Fel taint signatures they *everything* in Silvermoon acquired from the Fel magic used to rebuild it. That's the argument - borne out by the CDev talks, corroborated with additional in-game lore, etc. etc.

[Valnerre]

Granted, but either way we know that the amount they consumed regardless of the manner of consumption, created the effects we later see in them. I would label this an argument from nothing - the end-result is the same either way.



And Blood Elves show the same basic arc, yes. Minor Fel taint changes the color of their eyes and apparently darkens their psychology, whereas major Fel taint causes them to develop scales, blackened flesh, grow wings, etc. etc. The Blood of Mannoroth did not turn Orcs into Fel or Chaos Orcs directly, though; they didn't develop red skin or grow demonic horns and such from their bodies.



Again, this is an argument from nothing. You're making an implication here that is basically already covered either way. We have no way of knowing what "level" of Fel causes what effects, we only know that ambient Fel and pervasive Fel taint does X thing to Blood Elves. The result in the same.



You've seen visual evidence of Blood Elves feeding on the tainted crystals - that not really a deniable thing. If you concede the crystals were indeed tainted by Fel, then you reflexively accept that they did indeed imbibe residual Fel energies from them.



A distinction without a difference. The taint permeated everything and anything in the vicinity, unless you can again point out exceptions and cite evidence for them.



The Blood Elves who sided with Kael fed *directly* from demons, e.g. captured Terrofiends such as those seen at the Throne of Kil'jaeden. The Blood Elves feed on both organic foodstuffs as well as the magic contained in Burning Crystals in the absence of the Sunwell, ergo the Blood Elves consumed Fel taint from multiple sources. Extrapolation is not conjecture, it's an understanding of a given causal relationship or trend producing a measurable and predictable set of results. The process of A, to B, to outcome C. Their sources of magic are things, things in the vicinity of the Fel fallout, and thus subject to Fel taint.



It's been referenced multiple times now, with corroborating evidence from multiple sources, including a refutation of your original source showing that this interpretation is indeed borne out by the Devs themselves. In that light, your claim is the one with zero evidence thus far - and your insistence that it isn't true is the Internet equivalent of someone sticking their fingers in their ears and chanting "nuh uh" to drown out a competing argument. Which is to say, it's not a very compelling argument at the end of the day.



How does one take the word "anything" too literally? It means any thing, any object, up to and including every object in the area of effect. How else does one define anything? This argument stretches credulity to a snapping point.



Again, you're making a claim that I did not make - you either don't understand the argument, or you've constructed a Strawman version of it to argue against. I'm not saying the Blood Elves fed explicitly on Fel (excepting of course the Felblood Elves we see later), but that the Arcane energies they fed on were tainted by the same Fel fallout that effected *all* of Greater Silvermoon. Yes, the Blood Elves fed on Arcane energies, but those energies carried the same Fel taint signatures they *everything* in Silvermoon acquired from the Fel magic used to rebuild it. That's the argument - borne out by the CDev talks, corroborated with additional in-game lore, etc. etc.

This guy knows what he's talking about.