Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

Yeah I wouldn't say Draenei are the best comparison.

Worgen probably, though... dropped off into irrelevance after their starting zone and didn't feature anywhere in their debut expansion.

Not really, you said it yourself, they have the whole set up of a starting area, and then two hubs in the world.

VE's have nothing compared to this

We also have in-game confirmation that every troop in that Nazmir assault perished. So all those Void Elves (among the other race's troops) are dead now such small numbers.

I seriously thought that by now we would have an explanation how Void Elves can be a RACE.

But no.

[Goldielocks]

We also have in-game confirmation that every troop in that Nazmir assault perished. So all those Void Elves (among the other race's troops) are dead now such small numbers.

oh my how C O N V E N I E N T

[Aldo Hawk]

I seriously thought that by now we would have an explanation how Void Elves can be a RACE.

But no.

Let's hope that with all the N'zoth thing happening they get some development.

I don't like the race, overall because of the reasons they came to be lorewise, but I like this game, so I want them to be the better they can be, so...

Btw, anyone excited about Vulpera? Nice thing we finally got them, my friend deleted his Goblin rogue in awaits of the Vulpera rogue he initially thought about, nice news!

[KOUNTERPARTS]

Btw, anyone excited about Vulpera?

Not at all. I am for Mechagnomes, but I play Horde. I was kind of hoping for Gilgoblins/Kelfin/whatever-the-sea-goblins-are-called.

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

Let's hope that with all the N'zoth thing happening they get some development.

I don't like the race, overall because of the reasons they came to be lorewise, but I like this game, so I want them to be the better they can be, so...

Btw, anyone excited about Vulpera? Nice thing we finally got them, my friend deleted his Goblin rogue in awaits of the Vulpera rogue he initially thought about, nice news!

That's the frightening part, in all the datamining done for 8.3 there's nothing on Void Elves so far. Like fingers crossed it's not just yet in, but it's a bad omen that at best is not a priority. So far VE's and Alleria are only part of the horrific visions, so all we know is that yep, VE's are likely to betray us, as we have known since the beginning.

Also SO excited about Vulpera!! I have saved a spot for a hunter since launch AHHHHH!

[Aldo Hawk]

That's the frightening part, in all the datamining done for 8.3 there's nothing on Void Elves so far. Like fingers crossed it's not just yet in, but it's a bad omen that at best is not a priority. So far VE's and Alleria are only part of the horrific visions, so all we know is that yep, VE's are likely to betray us, as we have known since the beginning.

Also SO excited about Vulpera!! I have saved a spot for a hunter since launch AHHHHH!

I hope they don't end up being the 'Forsaken' of the Alliance (AKA just problematic faction members), since that would go against their very premise: To dominate and control the Void. And so far I have seen them getting crazy and some of them joining up with N'zoth...

I'm happy to see people getting excited for the new Allied Races, even more if it was awaited like Vulpera did. And on the Horde!

And by the way, what are your opinions on Mecagnomes? I think they could have just mixed them with the ones we already had and they seem kinda odd...

[Garfurion]

And by the way, what are your opinions on Mecagnomes? I think they could have just mixed them with the ones we already had and they seem kinda odd...

The same can be said for most Allied Races. They are just customization options which require rep grinds and pollute the character creation screen.

Personally I think Mechagnomes are one of the more interesting Allied Races, but I like Gnomes so I'm probably biased.

[DeicideUH]

That's the frightening part, in all the datamining done for 8.3 there's nothing on Void Elves so far. Like fingers crossed it's not just yet in, but it's a bad omen that at best is not a priority. So far VE's and Alleria are only part of the horrific visions, so all we know is that yep, VE's are likely to betray us, as we have known since the beginning.

Also SO excited about Vulpera!! I have saved a spot for a hunter since launch AHHHHH!

Horrific visions don't bother me. They are meant to be bad futures.

But the total lack of importance for void elves (and also lightforged draenei) in the freaking Ultimate Void Patch that is unlikely to be topped in many many years just proves what I feared since the beginning: there was never a plan for void elves, they were a last-minute decision created to fill a slot, and Blizzard does not care to give them any meaningful role.

I hoped there was more to them than that, that there would be a big plan to push them forward and develop them into a real race. But there's nothing, at least so far.

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And by the way, what are your opinions on Mecagnomes? I think they could have just mixed them with the ones we already had and they seem kinda odd...

I don't care about them. For those who like them, congrats, but I'd wish something else. It's just another niche race, and the Alliance has gotten 3 niche races, one complete asspull (or monkey paw wish) and only one long-requested race.

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

I hope they don't end up being the 'Forsaken' of the Alliance (AKA just problematic faction members), since that would go against their very premise: To dominate and control the Void. And so far I have seen them getting crazy and some of them joining up with N'zoth...

I'm happy to see people getting excited for the new Allied Races, even more if it was awaited like Vulpera did. And on the Horde!

And by the way, what are your opinions on Mecagnomes? I think they could have just mixed them with the ones we already had and they seem kinda odd...

Honestly even making the VE's the Forsaken of the alliance feels like more effort they are willing to put in. Like it really just seems like "oh these will work nice on the horrific visions that's neat"

As for Mecha-Gnomes: I am a completionist on terms of unlocking races, I have them all so far, with Maghar, Highmountain, Dark Iron and Kul tiran yet to reach 120. And yet I am in no rush of unlocking mechagnomes, I will make one if I have a spot left.

Horrific visions don't bother me. They are meant to be bad futures.

But the total lack of importance for void elves (and also lightforged draenei) in the freaking Ultimate Void Patch that is unlikely to be topped in many many years just proves what I feared since the beginning: there was never a plan for void elves, they were a last-minute decision created to fill a slot, and Blizzard does not care to give them any meaningful role.

I hoped there was more to them than that, that there would be a big plan to push them forward and develop them into a real race. But there's nothing, at least so far.

Oh no I'm not worried about the horrific visions in terms of development, is just that they offer nothing new even on a What If capacity, it's just like a "Oh yeh I guess it would make sense for VE's to betray us" cause that what we were told. Like, not even on the vision there's a sense of subversion.

I'm not as vexed with the lack of LFD participation because on broad strokes, it just doesn't seem any playable race is gonna play a mayor featuring role this patch.

But the issue is that the race that NEEDED the TLC related to the Void, isn't getting it. If it's not now, then when?

They were just poorly conceptualized; made to fit such a niche thematic that is not even been explored.

[DeicideUH]

Oh no I'm not worried about the horrific visions in terms of development, is just that they offer nothing new even on a What If capacity, it's just like a "Oh yeh I guess it would make sense for VE's to betray us" cause that what we were told. Like, not even on the vision there's a sense of subversion.

Oh, now got it! Yeah, you are right.

I'm not as vexed with the lack of LFD participation because on broad strokes, it just doesn't seem any playable race is gonna play a mayor featuring role this patch.

But the issue is that the race that NEEDED the TLC related to the Void, isn't getting it. If it's not now, then when?

They were just poorly conceptualized; made to fit such a niche thematic that is not even been explored.

It was already bizarre that void elves skipped every single void storyline in this expansion.

Uldir? No sign of them.
Alliance quests in Vol'dun and Nazmir? Alliance has no involvement with the void presences there (Umbric coincidentaly is recruited in Vol'dun, but all he does is complain about the heat).
Stormsong? No sign of void elves.
K'thir presence in Tiragarde? No void elves.
Nazmir may not be Void, but there's dark magic afoot. No void elves there.
Freaking Nazjatar? Void elves do nothing (there's a named one perpetually reading a scroll in our base and some random nameless guards, that's it).
The BIG Void Patch That is unlikely to be topped any time soon? Sorry, no void elves doing anything of importance.

The race was pointless, aimless and loreless from the start. They never planned anything for them. And Blizzard expects us to like it?

[Aldo Hawk]

It was already bizarre that void elves skipped every single void storyline in this expansion.

Uldir? No sign of them.
Alliance quests in Vol'dun and Nazmir? Alliance has no involvement with the void presences there (Umbric coincidentaly is recruited in Vol'dun, but all he does is complain about the heat).
Stormsong? No sign of void elves.
K'thir presence in Tiragarde? No void elves.
Nazmir may not be Void, but there's dark magic afoot. No void elves there.
Freaking Nazjatar? Void elves do nothing (there's a named one perpetually reading a scroll in our base and some random nameless guards, that's it).
The BIG Void Patch That is unlikely to be topped any time soon? Sorry, no void elves doing anything of importance.

The race was pointless, aimless and loreless from the start. They never planned anything for them. And Blizzard expects us to like it?

I can't believe this is the situation for them.

Seriously, if they give them a less shallow reason for existing they would make them more appealing. Now it's just an emo elf that you pick basically for it's dark aesthetics with little background to it...

[FlubberPuddy]

The race was pointless, aimless and loreless from the start. They never planned anything for them. And Blizzard expects us to like it?

Makes this interview so pointless: https://www.polygon.com/2019/1/21/18...user-interview

"When I ask if we can expect the Nightborne to play a role in Patch 8.2, where the former monarch of their people Queen Azshara returns, both writers pause. “We’re going to be careful with that answer,” says Burke. “Yes, they will be [...] present with the events we have planned for 8.2.”"

"Danuser elaborates, “The Night Elves and the Nightborne have such a deep history with Queen Azshara. These characters were alive and have history and grudges against Azshara.” While both writers remained coy as to the role of the Nightborne, Danuser mentioned we will see the reactions of both Night Elves and Nightborne to “what Azshara is up to right now,” which is equally vague but very ominous."

Ah yes, Shandris and Thalyssra remember their past...that's not new development for Night Elves or Nightborne. Just shows the disconnect between the question asked and the overall answer. They remained "coy" cuz NB actually had no role. There was no new story development for them. We just learn more about the individuals Shandris and Thalyssra. Not even the reactions of NE and NB.

And the Void Elf portion

"The Void Elves, while controversial, also had some fantastic moments in the War Campaign ... and as the Void becomes more important to the story, we’ll likely need their help. Both races also round out the factions nicely. The Nightborne bring more gravitas to the Horde, making the Blood Elves feel more natural in the faction and providing an important counterweight to the Forsaken or Orcs. Meanwhile, the Void Elves give the Alliance a potential dark side that could be explored in future content. As the upcoming war plays out, we’ll likely see both of them come back to the forefront at some point."

The bolded is what a lot of "VoId ElVeS r UhMaZiN" people say - "just wait! They'll be used when the Void is the big deal duh".

We're at Vizions of N'zoth, last big content update for the BfA expansion with heavy Void/Old God work going on and nothing extra to put Void Elves at the forefront.

[Tiradon]

Makes this interview so pointless: https://www.polygon.com/2019/1/21/18...user-interview

"When I ask if we can expect the Nightborne to play a role in Patch 8.2, where the former monarch of their people Queen Azshara returns, both writers pause. “We’re going to be careful with that answer,” says Burke. “Yes, they will be [...] present with the events we have planned for 8.2.”"

"Danuser elaborates, “The Night Elves and the Nightborne have such a deep history with Queen Azshara. These characters were alive and have history and grudges against Azshara.” While both writers remained coy as to the role of the Nightborne, Danuser mentioned we will see the reactions of both Night Elves and Nightborne to “what Azshara is up to right now,” which is equally vague but very ominous."

Ah yes, Shandris and Thalyssra remember their past...that's not new development for Night Elves or Nightborne. Just shows the disconnect between the question asked and the overall answer. They remained "coy" cuz NB actually had no role. There was no new story development for them. We just learn more about the individuals Shandris and Thalyssra. Not even the reactions of NE and NB.

And the Void Elf portion

"The Void Elves, while controversial, also had some fantastic moments in the War Campaign ... and as the Void becomes more important to the story, we’ll likely need their help. Both races also round out the factions nicely. The Nightborne bring more gravitas to the Horde, making the Blood Elves feel more natural in the faction and providing an important counterweight to the Forsaken or Orcs. Meanwhile, the Void Elves give the Alliance a potential dark side that could be explored in future content. As the upcoming war plays out, we’ll likely see both of them come back to the forefront at some point."

The bolded is what a lot of "VoId ElVeS r UhMaZiN" people say - "just wait! They'll be used when the Void is the big deal duh".

We're at Vizions of N'zoth, last big content update for the BfA expansion with heavy Void/Old God work going on and nothing extra to put Void Elves at the forefront.

Well in a way it's obvious Void Elves were given to shut up some people who wanted more elf options on the Alliance (me for example) however i'll keep waiting for the real High Elfs to be available.

[Kyphael]

Well in a way it's obvious Void Elves were given to shut up some people who wanted more elf options on the Alliance (me for example) however i'll keep waiting for the real High Elfs to be available.

Would you settle for High Elf customizations on the Void Elves? IE: To look like Alleria, just blue tattoos/markings? That seems to be the last compromise Blizzard is willing to make.

[FlubberPuddy]

Would you settle for High Elf customizations on the Void Elves? IE: To look like Alleria, just blue tattoos/markings? That seems to be the last compromise Blizzard is willing to make.

The way it works with Blizzard, is you ask for what you 100% want, then they'll give you maybe 10-20% of it.

If you start at 20% they'll give you 1-2% of it.

[Garfurion]

Meanwhile, the Void Elves give the Alliance a potential dark side that could be explored in future content. As the upcoming war plays out, we’ll likely see both of them come back to the forefront at some point.[/I]"

That sounds a lot like what J. Allen Brack said about the Worgen back in 2011:

We were really excited about the Worgens as well. We talked a long time about the Goblin and decided we really needed a more whimsical race on the side of the Horde, and we really need something that’s a little darker, a little more sinister on the side of the Alliance.
-- source

I guess that worked out so well the Alliance needed a second "dark side" race to be ignored

[Tiradon]

Would you settle for High Elf customizations on the Void Elves? IE: To look like Alleria, just blue tattoos/markings? That seems to be the last compromise Blizzard is willing to make.

With white skin? Sure I suppose, I just don't wanna go around looking like a dark emo dude lol

[Kyphael]

With white skin? Sure I suppose, I just don't wanna go around looking like a dark emo dude lol

Yes, and blood elf hairsyles, not edge-lord cow licks with too much hair gel and not enough personality.

[DeicideUH]

The way it works with Blizzard, is you ask for what you 100% want, then they'll give you maybe 10-20% of it.

If you start at 20% they'll give you 1-2% of it.

Yes, and that's the reason the high elf threads endured.
Back when void elves were announced we made a ton of suggestions and expressed our hopes to make them a good compromise. None was heard, there wasn't even a blue answer trying to calm our worries.

So, we ask for what we want, not for compromises. Whatever comes will be a monkey paw fulfillment anyway.

[Obelisk Kai]

Yes, and that's the reason the high elf threads endured.
Back when void elves were announced we made a ton of suggestions and expressed our hopes to make them a good compromise. None was heard, there wasn't even a blue answer trying to calm our worries.

So, we ask for what we want, not for compromises. Whatever comes will be a monkey paw fulfillment anyway.

As has been pointed out to you repeatedly, you are not being ignored. You have instead started from the wrong point, that a compromise must be found between Void Elves and playable High Elf Exiles in lieu of the later.

The reason you keep being disappointed is you refuse to accept that Void Elves themselves are the compromise, not between between Void Elves and playable High Elf exiles, but between playable High Elf exiles and having no thalassian elf at all.