Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[FlubberPuddy]

Well it's clear that I think the VE's lacking lore sucks, that's the whole point. What is not subjective is the level of content related to the AR, and Void Elves have the least.

I think it also shows, as Tenebra is showing they don't care that VE haven't gotten development, that the vast majority plays races for their looks.

It's this clarity that shows why an emphasis is placed on looks, cuz obviously no one really gives a shit if say Vulpera were added with absolutely no lore at all, people who love foxes/cute lil furry creatures would play em regardless.

Void Elves are living example of this. TONS of people admit they have shit lore, yet stats show they're 4th most alliance race at max level. It correlates really well with the idea that people are playing races for looks over lore.

Not many care for substance, it's the surface that's all they care about for playable races.

[Varodoc]

Also, and I need to address this because you are spreading misinformation, it's not true that the void elves got no lore development in BfA. Umbric was one of the main Alliance characters of the 8.0-8.1 portion of the War Campaign and Ren'dorei troops participated in the suicide attack at Zuldazar. If you also take the pre-patch into consideration, Alleria and her troops played a vital role at the Battle of Lordaeron, saving the Alliance from annihilation.

as Tenebra is showing they don't care that VE haven't gotten development

I don't care. So? What's the problem. Gnome players didn't have any lore development for a decade, draenei players didn't have any attention for 6 years (WotLK-WoD), heck, troll players haven't even had a leader for 3 years. Why is it such a big deal that void elves did not receive a lot of lore development in what was, for the most part, a faction war expansion?

I do play this race ALSO for the looks. That's true for anyone. You're not playing something if you don't like how they look aesthetically. Doesn't mean I play them only for their looks. I also play them because they are great to RP as, for example (they are one of the most popular races on the RP scene).

You talk as if it were a bad thing that people play a race primarily because of how it looks, when it's not strange at all. If blood elves looked like garbage, they could have the richest lore in the game, but they certainly wouldn't be the most played Horde race.

[The Silver Covenant]

Everything else -- void elves are the most played allied race for a reason.

They are the most played allied race because they're all we've been given. High Elves would doubtlessly be more popular because they've been an Alliance race dating back to Warcraft II.

[FlubberPuddy]

Also, and I need to address this because you are spreading misinformation, it's not true that the void elves got no lore development in BfA. Umbric was one of the main Alliance characters of the 8.0-8.1 portion of the War Campaign and Ren'dorei troops participated in the suicide attack at Zuldazar. If you also take the pre-patch into consideration, Alleria and her troops played a vital role at the Battle of Lordaeron, saving the Alliance from annihilation.

It's hyperbole for "they haven't got much development at all". Here I typed "void elves have shit lore" into Google and already found some threads.

But I quickly see from the MMO-C thread you've actually been invested in defending VE for a long time now.

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...y-Have-No-Lore

https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20761937355

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...ed-race-in-wow

https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/...9231935?page=1

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They are the most played allied race because they're all we've been given. High Elves would doubtlessly be more popular because they've been an Alliance race dating back to Warcraft II.

It actually shows High Elves would be more popular, since Void Elves are literally Blood Elves colored purple. This one deviation makes them less popular than Blood Elves.

So imagine, as many detractors like to imply, if you released an even closer copy!

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Also if people want to say "despite all you guys complaining about Void Elves no lore, many still play them so they're clearly a success!"

Then that means people can also say "despite all you guys complaining about Elves, many people are playing Elves so we should clearly get more!"

[Varodoc]

They are the most played allied race because they're all we've been given.

They are the most played allied race because they are the most interesting and that would not change if high elves were made playable on the Alliance too. See, I can also play this game.

It's hyperbole for "they haven't got much development at all". Here I typed "void elves have shit lore" into Google and already found some threads.

That is cool and all, but what is your point? Yes, I have always defended void elves, and I will continue to do so. Just because the majority of people (allegedly) thinks something does not make it true. Just because the void elves received very little lore does not mean that what little lore they got is universally bad.

And, to be clear… "little lore"... not really. Alleria and Umbric have received much more screentime in BfA than Turalyon, Fareeya, or Moira.

This one deviation makes them less popular than Blood Elves.

Or maybe they are less popular because they were released 11 years later and can only be played after completing an end-game farm and questline, which are only available by buying an expansion?

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

And, to be clear… "little lore"... not really. Alleria and Umbric have received much more screentime in BfA than Turalyon, Fareeya, or Moira.

1- Character lore is nor racial lore; Alleria's whole Argus sojourn has squat to do with Void Elves, and Umbric's development it's also a character journey that at best mirrors Void Elves as a whole.

2- All characters of groups that already got representation and development within the game to a level Void Elves have not.

3- Void Elves have literally 2 characters that have characterization, and only one of them is actually a Void Elf in the same manner than the rest of the race, the other got her powers on a totally unrelated way.

[The Silver Covenant]

They are the most played allied race because they are the most interesting and that would not change if high elves were made playable on the Alliance too. See, I can also play this game.

It's only a game for you. Those of us who live in reality know that the popularity of High Elves would far outstrip Void Elves, and the latter would definitely have less max level characters after only a few months of release.

[Aldo Hawk]

They are the most played allied race because they are the most interesting and that would not change if high elves were made playable on the Alliance too. See, I can also play this game.

It's not a game, you are the one being non genuine about this, as you yourself pretty much admitted by saying that you were 'playing this game'.

High elves are much more relatable and palatable for people, they are clearly gonna be more popular than Void elves if becoming playable, it's common sense.

And that is after getting aside the fact that High elves are more known and have more lore and engagement than Void elves have. AKA Being an already known thing that you can go back to see in many places.

[DeicideUH]

I don't care. So? What's the problem.

Then just admit void elves are trash and you only care about their looks, easy.

The problem is to try to make them what they are not. They are, as Obelisk Kai says, just the thalassian model in the Alliance. Their success is solely due to looks. If the exact same story was done with orcs or undead, they'd be just as shitty, but ugly.

And guess what: if that's their sole advantage, then high elves have everything they got, plus more.

[bdlovelace]

And guess what: if that's their sole advantage, then high elves have everything they got, plus more.

void elves are prominent in the war campaign/assaults and so is alleria. high elves have no story or contribution beyond a portal keeper and an island expedition member. they arent anywhere near void elf presence. alleria, the void elf racial leader is already the big bad in horrific visions having given in to the void next patch and as kai pointed out theres going to be 23 races competing for spotlight. theres no room for the portal keeper and island expedition member to get a story for themselves

nm being an AR, the question to me seems will there even be a portal keeper NPC next expansion with void elves and the other ARs now?

[Dellis0991]

Damn I thought this thread was gone and buried into the ass crack MMO Champ.

[DeicideUH]

void elves are prominent in the war campaign and so is alleria.

So did many other races. They do nothing that other races or characters couldn't provide. Alleria just stays on the ship. Most often, the void elves are generic casters among the troops. Their only mission ends in failure. At no point the story is used to flesh out or develop them. They face no meaningful choices or consequences, nor grow with the events. Then they appear in repeatable content that has no impact in the overall storyline. Their biggest contribution may be helping Jaina open a portal to Rastakhan's vault.

high elves have no story or contribution beyond a portal keeper and an island expedition member.

Because Blizzard deliberately chose to leave them out. They had roles in several patch expansions and a story that goes back to the beginnings of the franchise.

alleria, the void elf racial leader is already the big bad in horrific visions having given in to the void next patch

Alternate future shenanigans in which they failed (again) their main purpose is the best they can do?
In the big void patch, the moment where they should shine more than anyone else, they are meaningless to the plot. Again.

and as kai pointed out theres going to be 23 races competing for spotlight.

All other 22 had the spotlight at some point, especially in their introduction.
Void elves were introduced in a 5-minute scenario and then forgotten. They are special indeed, because the devs didn't even bother with them. They couldn't even try to give them a meaningful role in the biggest void patch ever.

where does a single high elf portal keeper fit in the story?

She's just a minor character, but you certainly used her services more than Alleria's, to begin with.

High elves had roles in Vanilla, TBC, WotLk, Cataclysm, MoP and Legion, and they are not even a playable race. Do you really want to compare them with void elves?

[bdlovelace]

She's just a minor character, but you certainly used her services more than Alleria's, to begin with.

i havent used her services since 8.2 went live and warfronts became obsolete

High elves had roles in Vanilla, TBC, WotLk, Cataclysm, MoP and Legion, and they are not even a playable race. Do you really want to compare them with void elves?

you cant compare them. void elves are firmly aligned with the alliance and do not require dalaran to be in play to be able to assist the alliance. no dalaran, no SC

[DeicideUH]

i havent used her services since 8.2 went live and warfronts became obsolete

And Alleria had no services provided past 8.0, lol.
Or did you take 5 patches to get all of her enhancements?

[Varodoc]

2- All characters of groups that already got representation and development within the game to a level Void Elves have not.

There's no distinction between racial lore and character lore, they are the same. If you hadn't noticed, races are developed through major character in an expansion, and so far the void elves have received much more development in BfA than the dark irons or the lightforged.

Also, it's the point that void elves have little racial lore. They were just an overzealous group of sin'dorei researchers, they are not supposed to be an estabilished civilization. It would be an actual asspull if they had a fully developed society.

3- Void Elves have literally 2 characters that have characterization, and only one of them is actually a Void Elf in the same manner than the rest of the race, the other got her powers on a totally unrelated way.

She is still a void elf much like Sylvanas was a forsaken character. And the lightforged only got one then, Turalyon (who even is this Fareeya? What has she done of note? Nothing).

It's only a game for you. Those of us who live in reality know that the popularity of High Elves would far outstrip Void Elves, and the latter would definitely have less max level characters after only a few months of release.

Ah ok, thanks for telling me that your only source was the biased little world you live in.

Then just admit void elves are trash and you only care about their looks, easy.

I won't because it's wrong. And they are not trash when they are the most played allied race.

just the thalassian model in the Alliance. Their success is solely due to looks.

And nightborne are just the night elf model in the Horde. Their success is solely due to looks.

And guess what: if that's their sole advantage, then high elves have everything they got, plus more.

Well yes, of course they have an advantage, because they have been playable since 2007 and have a decade of development. It's not a fair comparison at all.

[Obelisk Kai]

I've answered this a hundred times already.I don't expect you to understand on 101st.


And you think that's a race whose sole purpose is to fill a slot isn't shit?


If the standard is shit, they are shit. It's simple.


"Maybe."

It's been almost two years since their debut. They are the only allied race that didn't have a proper introduction. They are far behind even the almost-souless lightforged.



23 playable races.

Only one of them lacked seeding. Only one of them was relegated to a five-minute rushed introduction. They are nothing more than a cosmetic option. They are trash.

That you believe you have answered the question a hundred times already misses the point. Your answer is unsatisfactory in that the real crime of the Void Elves is that they aren't the High Elf exiles you are still clearly pining for.

In the context of every other Allied race, Void Elves are fine. After all, what relevance have Lightforged Draenei, Mag'har Orcs and Dark Iron Dwarves had after their introduction beyond appearing on the battlefield?

But because they aren't the High Elves exiles you wanted, you define them as trash. I am afraid that isn't good enough because failing a group just because they aren't what you wanted them to be is, well, petulant.

[Varodoc]

That you believe you have answered the question a hundred times already misses the point. Your answer is unsatisfactory in that the real crime of the Void Elves is that they aren't the High Elf exiles you are still clearly pining for.

In the context of every other Allied race, Void Elves are fine. After all, what relevance have Lightforged Draenei, Mag'har Orcs and Dark Iron Dwarves had after their introduction beyond appearing on the battlefield?

But because they aren't the High Elves exiles you wanted, you define them as trash. I am afraid that isn't good enough because failing a group just because they aren't what you wanted them to be is, well, petulant.

Funnily enough, the mag'har are the only allied race with no hub in the game. Void elves have Telogrus Rift, lightforged draenei have the Vindicaar, dark irons have Shadowforge City, kul tirans have Boralus, nightborne have the Nighthold, highmountain tauren have Thunder Totem, and the zandalari have Dazar'alor. The junker gnomes will have Mechagon City and the vulpera will have their caravan in Vol'dun. But the mag'har? They have nothing, if not a generic structure in Orgrimmar that is not themed after them one bit.

[brt2pp]

weekly reminder that blizzard gave high elves to horde in TBC, that is blizzard stance on it, and i don't see why you want to make your fanfics or head-canons true ... lore is clear rn on wether or not high elves exists ... they don't

[Varodoc]

I beg to differ:



Also saying High Elves is on the Horde is factually wrong, They are Blood Elves at a previous point they "were" High Elves but they rejected that past and looked to their future as a different kind of Elf.

I don't want to be in this argument discussion because I for one no longer care it's obvious that in the past the Alliance would get screwed over more so I made a Horde character and abandoned the Alliance and low and behold look at the most recent announcement for the Alliance I'm glad I left.

Isn't it nice that some blood elves were finally cleansed from the fel-corruption in their eyes? It warms my heart. Perhaps one day every citizen of Silvermoon will finally be cleansed from the fel, but it's a start.

[Varodoc]

Nice way to try and twist it but they are alliance npc's and I don't have time for trolls. /bye.

Oh, they are Alliance NPCs? What a surprise, I hadn't even noticed that. I thought they were just blood elves whose eyes were cleaned (since we know that the fel in the blood elves is fading away with time).

I'm not actually sure how I am a troll merely for stating a lore fact, but okay.