Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[protip]

You guys might be surprised to hear from me after all this time, but I honestly believe the best chance of getting the sort of high elf models you guys want is if the faction barrier comes down somewhat and Blood Elves (and every other race) can group/guild with the Alliance/Horde, or even join it outright. If you throw in some blue eyes, it'll be no different from what the WC3R icons show, and you can always just make your own backstory. There's reason to change how the factions work based on the dwindling Alliance community for high level content, and it's becoming increasingly popular.

Side note: although the community manager restates what Ion says, you can't really expect him to release any other info through a ticket.

[Obelisk Kai]

Hi guys, I just got a reply from a CM about a ticket I had raised and remembered a little while ago a CM doubling down on Ion's statements regarding high elves caused a bit of a stir.

Well, this cm appears to have repeated that statement and I thought you guys might like to see.

Cheers.

Well this is interesting. It reminds me of the CM communication ninthbelief posted here a few months back and which I have linked below

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...7#post51307837

What is interesting here is that yet again, as with the first CM response, they refer to the issue as having been ‘addressed’ which strongly implies there has been no shift in the behind the scenes mood music at Blizzard regarding this topic. I find this strongly indicative that anyone hoping for that 180 degree shift at Blizzcon where Ion comes out on stage and announces High Elf exiles are fated to be disappointed.

Secondly, the CM team is intimately familiar with the High Elf debate now. Some people seem to think that if Blizzard doesn’t comment on a topic, they have forgotten about it or are somehow ignorant of it. That is most definitely not the case. As the first image from ninthbelief showed, they mentioned the devs are clearly aware of the issue, but they themselves regard the topic as more or less ‘spam’. I can’t say I don’t sympathise, this entire debate is the same points reiterated by the same people endlessly recycled. The CMs must be heartily sick of this topic on the official forums. I suppose the CMs on this site are also heartily sick of it, but at least it is confined to one megathread now.

[Varodoc]

Why would Blizzard make a complete turn and announce high elves though? They have no reason to do that, since void elves were a success. I'm not sure why someone would hope that in the first place.

[Obelisk Kai]

You guys might be surprised to hear from me after all this time, but I honestly believe the best chance of getting the sort of high elf models you guys want is if the faction barrier comes down somewhat and Blood Elves (and every other race) can group/guild with the Alliance/Horde, or even join it outright. If you throw in some blue eyes, it'll be no different from what the WC3R icons show, and you can always just make your own backstory. There's reason to change how the factions work based on the dwindling Alliance community for high level content, and it's becoming increasingly popular.

Side note: although the community manager restates what Ion says, you can't really expect him to release any other info through a ticket.

True regarding the CM, but earlier this year when former CM Ythisens offered the pro High Elf community his support, it was received as positive news by the pro High Elf community. I wouldn't claim the CM would know too much in this case, but the value of the post lies in their attitude i.e. most of them seem to be exhausted and truly bored of this discussion.

As for the faction barrier coming down, I doubt it. The possibility was mooted, and it was a topic of debate for a few months in the summer, but the end of 8.2.5 and the datamined broadcast text seems to indicate that what Ion said in his Forbes interview stands. That the factions are simply too important to be casually disregarded. After all, there is simply no way to my mind that a Night Elf or a Worgen would willingly side with the Horde, not after everything that has happened.

What we are entering into is a period of cold peace. The factions will remain. The boundaries between the factions will remain. But in the cold peace, our leaderships will justify our collaboration against the greater threats we are sure to face but those who are less keen on the peace, Tyrande and Talanji, will justify the continued existence of war mode.

Which is an approach that segues with the existence of Void Elves. After all, why bother giving the Alliance their own thalassian elves if they intended to allow races from one side to cross directly to the other? They'd have simply waited till the big reveal of the factions being weakened and told the pro High Elf fans to make a Blood Elf and do the quests to move from one side to the other. Void Elves make the most sense as what they are, the permanent compromise option.

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Why would Blizzard make a complete turn and announce high elves though? They have no reason to do that, since void elves were a success. I'm not sure why someone would hope that in the first place.

Blizzard almost certainly won't, but for them to add High Elves as a playable race, they would need to execute a 180 degree turn on their current position. As pro High Elfers want that, they hope for that level of turn.

[ercarp]

I feel like if Metzen had been working at Blizzard when they made the decision to add Allied Races, high elves would've been at the forefront.

[Traveler Voltin]

I feel like if Metzen had been working at Blizzard when they made the decision to add Allied Races, high elves would've been at the forefront.

its cute you think that

[ercarp]

its cute you think that

He wrote most of the original lore. If he would have had to choose between void elves and high elves, he would have almost certainly leaned towards high elves since they make more sense within the game's universe.

[Traveler Voltin]

He wrote most of the original lore. If he would have had to choose between void elves and high elves, he would have almost certainly leaned towards high elves since they make more sense within the game's universe.

i am pretty sure he would have made void elves origin high elf instead of blood elf.

[Ielenia]

Hi guys, I just got a reply from a CM about a ticket I had raised and remembered a little while ago a CM doubling down on Ion's statements regarding high elves caused a bit of a stir.

Well, this cm appears to have repeated that statement and I thought you guys might like to see.

Cheers.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...017_015811.png

What is this image is supposed to prove? It's just a CM telling you not to spam the forums by creating new threads about topics already being heavily discussed in other existing threads.

[Aldo Hawk]

What is this image is supposed to prove? It's just a CM telling you not to spam the forums by creating new threads about topics already being heavily discussed in other existing threads.

Let them think it is some sort of a confirmation, at least they are entertained with another thing that means nothing, like the whole discussion about Void elves early on or how much their personal check marks are some sort of authority to obey to.

It's a community manager telling people to not create more threads since there already are threads about HE opened, and it seems to be sprinkled with his personal bias towards the matter in question. Ythsiens is not a community manager anymore, but if that was his message, the content of it would have been different, Blizzard is not a hive mind, I don't know how many times this have to be pointed out or even why someone has to even point at it at any moment in time...

Too much stretching lol

[CottonCandyCastro]

The part where they say 'the topic has already been addressed by Ion' stood out to me.

[Tiradon]

The part where they say 'the topic has already been addressed by Ion' stood out to me.

Yeah it's quite an interesting fact actually.. I do know a cuople of folks who want to play Void Elfes but haven't played legion so are not interested in farming them... I wonder how Blizz will adress this in the future.

[Pheraz]

It's just the support. They are just call center dudes cleaning up tickets. They have absolutely no connection to game designers.
You could have mailed the facility manager, no difference.

[MechaCThun]

At this point, based on how this thread has gone up and down for the past many months, I don't even want High Elves to be playable. Such a polarizing race that causes toxicity from both sides: High elf supporters and non-supporters.


They are a tainted at this point.


So how about dem High Arrakoa instead?

[Strippling]

I feel like if Metzen had been working at Blizzard when they made the decision to add Allied Races, high elves would've been at the forefront.

Metzen literally said "blood elves are our high elves" at a Blizzcon panel.

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Let them think it is some sort of a confirmation, at least they are entertained with another thing that means nothing, like the whole discussion about Void elves early on or how much their personal check marks are some sort of authority to obey to.

It's a community manager telling people to not create more threads since there already are threads about HE opened, and it seems to be sprinkled with his personal bias towards the matter in question. Ythsiens is not a community manager anymore, but if that was his message, the content of it would have been different, Blizzard is not a hive mind, I don't know how many times this have to be pointed out or even why someone has to even point at it at any moment in time...

Too much stretching lol

The irony!!! my lungs!

Sorry you gave me a good laugh. Pro high elfers and Ythisens are two words that pop up in mind, I'll leave it to your imagination as to why I'm laughing.

[Paraka]

At this point, based on how this thread has gone up and down for the past many months, I don't even want High Elves to be playable. Such a polarizing race that causes toxicity from both sides: High elf supporters and non-supporters.


They are a tainted at this point.


So how about dem High Arrakoa instead?

Honestly, Elves alone have been tainted with each expansion making SOME kind of new Elf. The more that happened the more HE took a further and further back seat. And for them now, their Rosa Parks moment wouldn't end well on the bus full of Elves.

So next expansion is likely death centered. How about them Bone Elves? Cannot get any fairer than that.

As far as other races, I just want to see more foreign ideas than just NatGeo everything. I think the last true alien concept for a race was Ethereals and Ga'narg (which honestly sounded like a cool AR idea early on).

[DeicideUH]

I'll open a ticket and ask about next expansion. I'm pretty sure Comunity Managers are willing (and allowed) to share all kinds of inside info.

[FlubberPuddy]

The part where they say 'the topic has already been addressed by Ion' stood out to me.

You should re-read. He says "any new threads created will be considered spam", he's not referring to the current ones as spam.

He notes that they get lots of reports about those being spam already.

That's it. Doesn't say they see those currently up as spam, and doesn't call the topic itself spam.

He's correct in referencing Ion, because there hasn't been an official official announcement on a change from that thinking - and even if there were the CM themselves wouldn't let that out in a ticket response.

I think some people need to re-read things before rushing to post em as some "aha gotcha guys!" moment.

[CottonCandyCastro]

You should re-read. He says "any new threads created will be considered spam", he's not referring to the current ones as spam.

He notes that they get lots of reports about those being spam already.

That's it. Doesn't say they see those currently up as spam, and doesn't call the topic itself spam.

He's correct in referencing Ion, because there hasn't been an official official announcement on a change from that thinking - and even if there were the CM themselves wouldn't let that out in a ticket response.

I think some people need to re-read things before rushing to post em as some "aha gotcha guys!" moment.

I think you need to re-read. The paragraph under greetings.

[Aldo Hawk]

The irony!!! my lungs!

Sorry you gave me a good laugh. Pro high elfers and Ythisens are two words that pop up in mind, I'll leave it to your imagination as to why I'm laughing.

You literally didn't said anything, so my imagination tells me that you have nothing to say except trying to be belligerent.

That's the best you had to say and do for the past months, so that's a pretty good guess