Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[Rhlor]

With a whole 3.3% of the playerbase they are a 0.5% more popular than gnomes... oh damn huge numbers there...

most popular allied race and outnumber four main races that don't need to be unlocked!!!!

[Rhlor]

4 main races that have never been popular at all and that wouldnt change. Hell Nightbourne are more popular than Goblins and Panda's.

less popular than gnome!

[DeicideUH]

Void Elves did a lot in the War Campaign. I.e setting the boat charges for the Battle of Dazar'alor and also trying to assassinate Gallywix.

Problem with the Void Elves is the same thing as forgetting the Vindicaar exists.

They're OP, they can void portal everywhere and suck anyone into the Void so Blizzard has to conveniently forget them.

But yeh super dumb they're not doing anything in Nya'lotha. They should honestly replace Wrathions role in the patch with Alleria.

They appeared in some stages of the war campaign, true. But the story didn’t take the opportunity to flesh them out, aside from a few Umbric comments.

If the story just skips the particularities of the race, then the void elves could be replaced without changing the outcome.

This is what pisses me off: the void elves are replaceable. Their uniqueness hasn’t been really explored nor affected the outcome of anything.

A void patch like 8.3 could be perfect for that. Tell a story in which the void elves do something only them could do! Seize the moment to show how it personally affects them, and how others react to their actions. Introduce more of them. Explain their culture and flesh out their lore.

Instead, we are getting nothing. So, what’s the point of the race?

[Ielenia]

Void Elves did a lot in the War Campaign. I.e setting the boat charges for the Battle of Dazar'alor and also trying to assassinate Gallywix.

When people say "void elves did nothing" in this expansion, it's because they didn't do anything to showcase the void elves' worth. All they did was grunt-work that any other race could've done.

The nightborne have shown their worth to the Horde by bringing their nigh-unparalleled knowledge of portals and teleportation, for example. The void elves, who should have shined in events regarding the void... did nothing. Whenever the void was being used, we saw no void elves. They have gained zero development. Doing grunt-work is not "development".

Problem with the Void Elves is the same thing as forgetting the Vindicaar exists.

They're OP, they can void portal everywhere and suck anyone into the Void so Blizzard has to conveniently forget them.

That's not the issue. They have more knowledge about the void than any of the races here, due to Umbric's research, but they weren't consulted even a single time on what to do.

[Rhlor]

They appeared in some stages of the war campaign, true. But the story didn’t take the opportunity to flesh them out, aside from a few Umbric comments.

If the story just skips the particularities of the race, then the void elves could be replaced without changing the outcome.

This is what pisses me off: the void elves are replaceable. Their uniqueness hasn’t been really explored nor affected the outcome of anything.

A void patch like 8.3 could be perfect for that. Tell a story in which the void elves do something only them could do! Seize the moment to show how it personally affects them, and how others react to their actions. Introduce more of them. Explain their culture and flesh out their lore.

Instead, we are getting nothing. So, what’s the point of the race?

the void elves changed the outcome of the battle of lordaeron!

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When people say "void elves did nothing" in this expansion, it's because they didn't do anything to showcase the void elves' worth. All they did was grunt-work that any other race could've done.

The nightborne have shown their worth to the Horde by bringing their nigh-unparalleled knowledge of portals and teleportation, for example. The void elves, who should have shined in events regarding the void... did nothing. Whenever the void was being used, we saw no void elves. They have gained zero development. Doing grunt-work is not "development".

without the void elves the alliance lost in the battle of lordaeron.

it may be a negative development but I see many void elves joining the Nzoth forces

[DeicideUH]

When people say "void elves did nothing" in this expansion, it's because they didn't do anything to showcase the void elves' worth. All they did was grunt-work that any other race could've done.

The nightborne have shown their worth to the Horde by bringing their nigh-unparalleled knowledge of portals and teleportation, for example. The void elves, who should have shined in events regarding the void... did nothing. Whenever the void was being used, we saw no void elves. They have gained zero development. Doing grunt-work is not "development".

Agood example of a race being used well is the nightborne in Nazjatar. No other Horde race would have the insight into the world’s past and Zin-Azshari history there. At best, Blizzard could use some blood elf scholar instead, but it still would be different because he would be citing his studies instead of having personal feelings and experienced related to that zone.

[Ielenia]

without the void elves the alliance lost in the battle of lordaeron.

Alliance mages could've ported the Alliance troops there. Again, "teleporting" is not something only void elves can do.

[Pheraz]

With a whole 3.3% of the playerbase they are a 0.5% more popular than gnomes... oh damn huge numbers there...

Indeed in this chart they look tiny compared to night Elves or horde elves. But somehow the impression you have on the servers currently is that everyone and their mom are playing void Elves

[FlubberPuddy]

With a whole 3.3% of the playerbase they are a 0.5% more popular than gnomes... oh damn huge numbers there...

Wow, and look - Zandalari Trolls at 2.5% just behind VE. So the two most popular Allied Races are also the two races that look closest to Elves (VE literally being Elves and ZD in lore told to look 'most elf-like').

So what I said before still holds: Who knew with Elves being such a popular fantasy stable, that many people would enjoy playing Elves (and Elven Trolls apparently).

[DeicideUH]

the void elves changed the outcome of the battle of lordaeron!

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without the void elves the alliance lost in the battle of lordaeron.

They were easily replaceable, thought, as almost every race can have casters able to open portals.

Yes, they appear. It’s still is a cameo that could be replaced if needed. Where’s their uniqueness?

The only thing unique in their presence in Lordaeron is Lor’themar calling them traitors. He wouldn’t have made that comment if they were other race (and high elves could be used instead and have the same effect).

[FlubberPuddy]

less popular than gnome!

Because why would more Horde people play a Nightborne when the most popular player model has been available to them for 10+ years? Especially when said race also has its own Heritage armor already available and has gotten more customization through Golden Eyes.

Tbf, if you're a fan of Blood Elves you've been living the 'privileged life' in terms of character customization.

[Katchii]

the void elves changed the outcome of the battle of lordaeron!

I think the point is that role could have been filled by just about anybody with access to portals...which is pretty much everyone with a Mage friend, and Mages are everywhere. The only Void Elf thing they did was teleport in via Void portals instead of regular portals.

So yes, they were an integral part of the battle, but there was nothing special about the Void Elves doing it. They didn't solve it via super special Void powers, they were just bodies.

without the void elves the alliance lost in the battle of lordaeron.

As said already, the role the Void Elves filled in that battle could have been filled with anyone and had the same outcome. Yes, they were the ones who saved the day, but they didn't use Void Elf specific abilities or powers in order to do it.

it may be a negative development but I see many void elves joining the Nzoth forces

If only to reiterate how potent the powers of the void are and how difficult it is to control that power as a Void Elf, I think this would be appropriate. Similar to how you see a couple Demon Hunters fail to control themselves in the DH starting area and throughout Legion. It proves a point.

[FlubberPuddy]

Funny thing is if you look at Classic race distribution: https://wowpop.appspot.com/

(Scroll allll the way down)

The most popular races by far are Humans and Elves, and for Horde side is Dead Humans.

So most popular races have always been Humans and Elves, and this hasn't changed since Vanilla.

[FlubberPuddy]

If only to reiterate how potent the powers of the void are and how difficult it is to control that power as a Void Elf, I think this would be appropriate. Similar to how you see a couple Demon Hunters fail to control themselves in the DH starting area and throughout Legion. It proves a point.

Proves a very small point at that too. "Oh my some VE couldn't control the whispers and fell to them" isn't new development at all since that was pre-faced in their introduction scenario.

It's kinda like when you learn some Blood Elves can't contain themselves and gorge on magic, whoop-dee-doo nothing new or mind-blowing about that when it's known they're mana-addicts.

An easy comparison is to learn about the Nightborne, how their city and lives were, how they were really into vintners and wine, etc etc. Learning about the Nightwell, how that changed their society and the dismantling of it etc etc.

What is funny is that these people are arguing that VE had development just because they were warm bodies present, and yet admonish those who bring up a few High Elves helping the Alliance in Boralus/Islands/Stromgarde despite fulfilling similar roles.

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Not me, its how everyone exaggerates that the Void elves are super popular and a success when infact they're not really that big of a deal.

Yeah, I think it's the way phasing works. I have never not run into a shortage of Kul'Tirans, Goblins, Gnomes, Pandas, LF Draenei, HM Tauren, Mag'har, Dark Irons etc etc. When playing, every race happens to be seen through me passing by in cities.

Which on the other hand is cool too since it means a race doesn't need to be insanely popularly played by the playerbase in order to be added. Like "how many people will actually play it" isn't a criteria for their addition.

[Katchii]

Proves a very small point at that too. "Oh my some VE couldn't control the whispers and fell to them" isn't new development at all since that was pre-faced in their introduction scenario.

It's kinda like when you learn some Blood Elves can't contain themselves and gorge on magic, whoop-dee-doo nothing new or mind-blowing about that when it's known they're mana-addicts.

An easy comparison is to learn about the Nightborne, how their city and lives were, how they were really into vintners and wine, etc etc. Learning about the Nightwell, how that changed their society and the dismantling of it etc etc.

What is funny is that these people are arguing that VE had development just because they were warm bodies present, and yet admonish those who bring up a few High Elves helping the Alliance in Boralus/Islands/Stromgarde despite fulfilling similar roles.

Never meant to insinuate that it was anything more than a reminder of what's already been said. Even if it's already been stated, there's no harm done in actually showing it as a fact, and how that small point has real impact on the Void Elves, rather than some bullet point in a mundane and boring presentation. That point has real consequences and is a very real possibility considering the threat we're facing now.

Since we're facing a fully unleashed Old God, a powerful being from the void, NOT showcasing how this affects Void Elves would be a little odd IMO, if not downright lazy. Even as a one off line from Alleria or some other Alliance leader saying "hey, some number of Void Elves have turned against us...blah blah blah" would be enough. Ignoring it altogether would be ridiculous.

[FlubberPuddy]

Since we're facing a fully unleashed Old God, a powerful being from the void, NOT showcasing how this affects Void Elves would be a little odd IMO, if not downright lazy. Even as a one off line from Alleria or some other Alliance leader saying "hey, some number of Void Elves have turned against us...blah blah blah" would be enough. Ignoring it altogether would be ridiculous.

Yup true, my point simply was this same type of noting is used to defend VE yet admonish HE by some posters (not you).

[Pheraz]

Not me, its how everyone exaggerates that the Void elves are super popular and a success when infact they're not really that big of a deal.

It's also the same in the dungeon finder while levelling. The VE population seems really huge.

[Aldo Hawk]

rommath says in suramar that they were cured of addiction. Even so, children's lives should be more important than animals

What are you on bruv?

Don't try to put words in my mouth nor even intend to have a superior morality over a fantasy people. Seriously, goddamn...

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Blood of the higborne.
The power coming from the sunwell was comparable to eating, or breathing.

*shrug*

All elves have an addiction to magic except for the nightborne.
The night elves = moon well
High elves/blood elves= sun well
Naga= addicted to magic as well

Anyways, that ticket cracked me up. Was good.

This does not prove that mana consumption is a physiological need like drinking and eating or even breathing for the Thalassians...

If you want to attack it for the sake of it, at least do like Kairos and write a good script for a movie. Not a flimsy excuse lol

[DeicideUH]

Never meant to insinuate that it was anything more than a reminder of what's already been said. Even if it's already been stated, there's no harm done in actually showing it as a fact, and how that small point has real impact on the Void Elves, rather than some bullet point in a mundane and boring presentation. That point has real consequences and is a very real possibility considering the threat we're facing now.

Since we're facing a fully unleashed Old God, a powerful being from the void, NOT showcasing how this affects Void Elves would be a little odd IMO, if not downright lazy. Even as a one off line from Alleria or some other Alliance leader saying "hey, some number of Void Elves have turned against us...blah blah blah" would be enough. Ignoring it altogether would be ridiculous.

But is it shown anywhere but in the visions? I don’t really count possible futures as lore. I mean, in the Horde version, Thrall is evil. That may have some insight into his vulnerabilities, but it’s in the end just a distant (and unlikely) possibility.

[Rhlor]

What are you on bruv?

Don't try to put words in my mouth nor even intend to have a superior morality over a fantasy people. Seriously, goddamn...

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This does not prove that mana consumption is a physiological need like drinking and eating or even breathing for the Thalassians...

If you want to attack it for the sake of it, at least do like Kairos and write a good script for a movie. Not a flimsy excuse lol

If you think it is wrong for children to feed on Mana Wyrm in order to survive, that's your business! for me it is a simple equation
children>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mana wyrm

It was important for children to consume mana to survive! It was life or death.the most important available source of mana were the wyrm