Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[Shakana]

Because they were loyal to the Alliance and every reason they ever gave to not introduce them now doesn't stand anymore.

Same race fighting as enemies: Pandaren are the same race, yet they fight with each other based on their different ideology and faction. Void Elves already fight the Blood Elves. The Silver Covenant already fights the Horde.

Numbers: There is no need to claim that High Elves are numerous, just that they exist. Apparently not all Void Elves are Blood Elves, some are High Elves. https://wow.gamepedia.com/High_Elf_Wayfarer
Would perfectly explain High Elf features on Void Elves

Too similar to Blood Elves: This argument died when Void Elves were introduced. They look identical to Blood Elves when wearing armor. Plus, Alleria is basically the Void Elf faction leader and she keeps her eye and skin color, even has tattoos. It would make sense that some of her followers looked like her. And again, Pandaren are literally the same race yet are on opposing factions.

So you pick up a pandaren as your example, to say that Alleria void elf followers could magically revert into High Elves? Ok.
Also Void elves were blood elves that were exiled from Silvermoon because they researched the void and they had no blue eyes and were not the pure high elves.
They can't magically revert into High Elfs just to look like Alleria. Makes no sense.

[Aldo Hawk]

Kaldorei (Meaning: Children) (Night elves) [Alliance]

Children of the stars.[/QUOTE]

Quel'dorei (Meaning: Children of the Noble Birth) (Highborne/High Elven - Pure highborne left are not much of those left now, they gave up everything that made them night elves, including moonwells) [Once Alliance, still supporting alliance, they have a bad reception at Alliance, commonly mistaken by blood elves, high elves are now almost extinct.]

Bad reception or not, whatever your personal view on them are, they are Alliance.

Shal'dorei (Meaning: Children of the Stars)(Nightborne) [Now Horde because refused by Tyrande]

Children of the night

Dorei can be translated to 'child' or 'born'.

Night elves and Blood elves are on opposite factions, so why would they make that minority almost extincted pure Highborne be part of the Alliance?

Why?

Because they are Alliance.

The pure Highborne left ain't enough to make a race playable.

But then I will have to point to the other decimated races that are playable.

And to Void elves.

They are likely just meant to be now NPCs.

This is inconsequential.

There's other more elf races to be added, and High elves are not one of them.

How many of them, why. San'layn? Yeah I want those for the Horde.

Why High elves would not be one of them? They are enough, they are Alliance, they aren't Blood elves (basically), it's Alliance identity.

That's why they added void elves instead.

This might be the case but they didn't said anything about this either so... Even if that was the case, it would not change the base argument.

This thread is basically closed since void elves were introduced, and makes zero sense to blood elves to gain blue eyes too.

I would not say that if I were you, Void elves can't replace High elves, there is still a want for them as long as they exist in the Alliance.

Also... I agree that Blood elves shouldn't get blue eyes. It's simply out of character of what they are, their war marks are the green eyes, and their hope is showed with the golden eyes, and both of them show their recklessness and survival of their darkest times. Blue eyes are a sign of the past. I would not want my Blood elf to be able to get these back (even tho I would like it, since it looks pretty).

[Shakana]

Children of the stars are the night elf. I'm tired, it's almost 2am here. Also typing so much on a little space of a forum with my sleepy eyes makes me type stuff wrong. It's chilren of the night, exactly. I think just because people wants blue eyes so badly they want high elves at all costs. But doesn't make sense for them to exist and we already have too much elves on wow. @Aldo Hawk

[Aldo Hawk]

Children of the stars are the night elf. I'm tired, it's almost 2am here. Also typing so much on a little space of a forum with my sleepy eyes makes me type stuff wrong. It's chilren of the night, exactly. I think just because people wants blue eyes so badly they want high elves at all costs. But doesn't make sense for them to exist and we already have too much elves on wow. @Aldo Hawk

I'm sorry, I noticed I went kind of pedantic about it, I just wanted to not let these things out there because it can look kinda confusing.

I don't agree that there are too much elves. I mean, they are 4, and others have got one variant, just doubling the amount of a variability races could have, and Forsaken, Goblin and Worgen don't have a counterpart, and also elves are a popular option, I just don't agree that there are too many of them, I would agree if they had like 6 or 8 variants of them. And this is mixing Night elves and Void elves as a whole concept of 'elf', getting 4 variants between them all and not 2 for each one.

[Selinde]

So you pick up a pandaren as your example, to say that Alleria void elf followers could magically revert into High Elves? Ok.
Also Void elves were blood elves that were exiled from Silvermoon because they researched the void and they had no blue eyes and were not the pure high elves.
They can't magically revert into High Elfs just to look like Alleria. Makes no sense.

No, I picked Pandaren as an example to justify the same race fighting on opposing factions.

Yes Void Elves are Blood Elves AND High Elves. Did you check the link to the gamepedia page? There are High Elves npcs in the Void Elf starting area. Some Void Elves were never Blood Elves, some were High Elves who refused to feed on fel magic. There is no need to revert anything.
Secondly, since Alleria is void infused and still keeps her High Elf features it would make sense for some of her High Elf followers to be the same

[Shakana]

No, I picked Pandaren as an example to justify the same race fighting on opposing factions.

Yes Void Elves are Blood Elves AND High Elves. Did you check the link to the gamepedia page? There are High Elves npcs in the Void Elf starting area. Some Void Elves were never Blood Elves, some were High Elves who refused to feed on fel magic. There is no need to revert anything.
Secondly, since Alleria is void infused and still keeps her High Elf features it would make sense for some of her High Elf followers to be the same

No Void elves are blood elves after high elves being renamed blood elves.

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I'm sorry, I noticed I went kind of pedantic about it, I just wanted to not let these things out there because it can look kinda confusing.

I don't agree that there are too much elves. I mean, they are 4, and others have got one variant, just doubling the amount of a variability races could have, and Forsaken, Goblin and Worgen don't have a counterpart, and also elves are a popular option, I just don't agree that there are too many of them, I would agree if they had like 6 or 8 variants of them. And this is mixing Night elves and Void elves as a whole concept of 'elf', getting 4 variants between them all and not 2 for each one.

Don't worry i get it, just keep it a healthy discussion Well i think that we compared to new races we can get, elves are higher than anything else. I would like to have something more than elves as new races. Something new, or even ethereals for example.

[Aldo Hawk]

I'm gonna drop a post because news of dark skinned Blood elves have came to my eyes, it's now part of the lore it seems and not just some strange appearance on an alternate universe.

https://twitter.com/Rendoas/status/1...170784256?s=20

@MyWholeLifeIsThunder This might interest you if I remember well, enjoy!

[Shakana]

I'm gonna drop a post because news of dark skinned Blood elves have came to my eyes, it's now part of the lore it seems and not just some strange appearance on an alternate universe.

https://twitter.com/Rendoas/status/1...170784256?s=20

@MyWholeLifeIsThunder This might interest you if I remember well, enjoy!

That could make a "dark ranger" kind of style I love the new idea of customizations for blood elves, because when i saw void elves i was totally jealous, i play horde, and i was like "why allied races get to have all the goodies?" haha

[Selinde]

No Void elves are blood elves after high elves being renamed blood elves.

Sorry that's just not true. The vast majority of Quel'dorei renamed themselves Sin'dorei but not all of them. There are some that still call themselves Quel'dorei. Yes they are very very few, but it's not true that all Quel'dorei are now Sin'dorei.

And the presence of both the High Elves Wayfarers and the Silvermoon Scholars in the Void Elf starting area proves that Sin'dorei =/= Quel'dorei and that Void Elves can come from both of them.

[Aldo Hawk]

Don't worry i get it, just keep it a healthy discussion Well i think that we compared to new races we can get, elves are higher than anything else. I would like to have something more than elves as new races. Something new, or even ethereals for example.

Oh well, it has never been a 'Now! Now!' thing for me, I support this because I want the Alliance to have access to that part of their faction. I am already very happy with my Blood elf. It might be kind of a hurry for others, since more than a decade has passed for some requesting for it, and I already have want I love and have joined the discussion months after Allied Races were released.

At the proper time, I think we can agree with that if that's the concern you have.

[Shakana]

@Selinde

http://warcraft.blizzplanet.com/blog...e-azeroth-demo

Next up, Alleria said that she had been trying to convince the blood elves to rejoin the alliance but that her efforts were “futile.” However, she found a faction of blood elves who had been exiled from Silvermoon for practicing void magic. Alleria said she believes that she can train them to harness the Void as she can in return for having them join the alliance. Anduin responded that he didn’t like the idea of using void magic, but he trusts Alleria and her judgment, and that having seen what she’s capable of, the alliance can’t afford to ignore that kind of power.

[Highelf]

And the topic returns and we are potentially in the endgame.

I believe the chances of a High Elf allied race are pretty much dead at this point. We have had enough commentary over the years, we have had the introduction of Void Elves and we have the end of the BFA allied race cycle. New races are back to being rare, and rarer races are going to have be substantially different to justify excitement at their addition. Not to mention, a few years is going to have to elapse in order to justify excitement on the part of the players.

Expanded character customization has already ended the hopes of a Wildhammer allied race, or a Forest Troll allied race, as both aesthetics are seemingly now being offered as customization options for existing troll and dwarf races. And given that all new players begin with a new starting experience, you really will be able to argue that you are a Wildhammer Dwarf or a Forest Troll.

Which brings us the Void Elves and the Blood Elves. What will they get. For Blood Elves the answer is obvious, the long requested blue eyes and the high elf tattoos from Warcraft 2. Mr.GM asked Moorgard about this in an interview but the reply was pretty non-commital, however I believe this is likelier than not to happen as giving options to an already playable race makes more sense than reserving that option for a group that is almost certainly never going to be added in it's own right.

Will Void Elves get new skin tones? Possibly, but the skin tones maybe mottled with the void because Blizzard might not be able to help themselves. Hopefully, they will let us know tonight because if they don't, Blood/Void Elf customization arguments will rumble on for months.

Void Elves should get high elf customs too. There's plenty of canon and lore to support this in game. Which then begs the question, why even come up with void elves in the first place?

[Aldo Hawk]

And the presence of both the High Elves Wayfarers and the Silvermoon Scholars in the Void Elf starting area proves that Sin'dorei =/= Quel'dorei and that Void Elves can come from both of them.

Well... We don't know if they can replicate the process.

[Highelf]

@Selinde

http://warcraft.blizzplanet.com/blog...e-azeroth-demo

That was the initial group yes. But many more have joined their ranks and the presence of high elves in the void elf starting zone for almost an expansion and a half clearly demonstrates that some high elves have chosen to become a void elf.

Which also further proves that ion has no logical reason to give alliance high elves than just he doesn't like the idea personally.

[Shakana]

Oh well, it has never been a 'Now! Now!' thing for me, I support this because I want the Alliance to have access to that part of their faction. I am already very happy with my Blood elf. It might be kind of a hurry for others, since more than a decade has passed for some requesting for it, and I already have want I love and have joined the discussion months after Allied Races were released.

At the proper time, I think we can agree with that if that's the concern you have.

I love elven race, don't get me wrong, i even started wow with a night elf and i never saw a place more beautiful in my life as in one simple game. I love them, i wouldn't mind ofc, but aat same time i recognize that wow should give some space for new races that are not elves. And for sure not repeated images where just eyes colour changes.

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That was the initial group yes. But many more have joined their ranks and the presence of high elves in the void elf starting zone for almost an expansion and a half clearly demonstrates that some high elves have chosen to become a void elf.

Which also further proves that ion has no logical reason to give alliance high elves than just he doesn't like the idea personally.

The original ones? So that means, ok i'm understanding now, means that last high elves turned into void elves too and are trained by Alleria and can be basically looking like her?

[Highelf]

I love elven race, don't get me wrong, i even started wow with a night elf and i never saw a place more beautiful in my life as in one simple game. I love them, i wouldn't mind ofc, but aat same time i recognize that wow should give some space for new races that are not elves. And for sure not repeated images where just eyes colour changes.

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The original ones?

Not sure what you mean by this. There are HIGH ELF wayfarers and SILVERMOON scholars. So there's a clear difference.

[Shakana]

Not sure what you mean by this. There are HIGH ELF wayfarers and SILVERMOON scholars. So there's a clear difference.

Sorry look again up, i edited.

[FlubberPuddy]

Don't worry i get it, just keep it a healthy discussion Well i think that we compared to new races we can get, elves are higher than anything else. I would like to have something more than elves as new races. Something new, or even ethereals for example.

Since they are increasing customization to existing races, we can get expanded looks without using up a race slot. An example is the recent info drop on Blood Elves getting dark skin tones.

This means they can also add extra High Elf customization to Void Elves without it taking up a race slot. Just like they added WH Dwarves to existing Dwarves and Blood/Sand/Dark Trolls to Darkspear to save those slots.

[Dristereau]

Did anyone ask them directly at Blizzcon about High Elves?

Personally I find it interesting how they added what would essentially be Wildhammer options to regular Dwarves and that satisfies that fantasy. Boneless Undead is another feature people have wanted for Forsaken and more Troll tribes represented sounds good to me.

I'm still hopeful we will see something High Elf with these customizations, as they may look at how much they're giving to other races and give some love to Allied Races. I'd like to see more for Void Elves, more normal hairstyles that aren't tentacles or anything like that and obviously High Elf skins, fairer and tattoos. We also don't know 100% what the final pair of Allied Races are, whilst I don't expect High Elf I would assume one is LF Undead.

I am worried about the additional Blood Elf customization. If they ended up getting what people want for High Elves that would be massive kick in the face.

[Aldo Hawk]

That could make a "dark ranger" kind of style I love the new idea of customizations for blood elves, because when i saw void elves i was totally jealous, i play horde, and i was like "why allied races get to have all the goodies?" haha

Meh, I don't know.

Maybe if we also get some kind of red eyes for any reason in particular.