Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[Maxilian]

Never, for it wouldn't serve it's purpose. Blood Elves aren't and won't ever be High Elves again. Never.

if he wanted people to stop calling for High Elves, he should have gave them to the Alliance, instead of half-assing it with Void Elves.

Because I see everyone and there mother saying that we'll get more Voidy looks for VE and I wonder if those saying that actually play them. Because it's common knowledge that VE players want less Voidy stuff as customization options, not more. It'd be like adding Wretched looks to BE. nobody wants that.

I actually want that.... (As long as its like the arts of the Wretched not how they look in game)

That aside, is just me, or the addition to Kaelthas in this expansion is going to affect the Blood Elf and High Elf somehow? i feel like he's going to be revived for him to "solve his biggest failure", diving his people (i mean... HE was the one who created the new name and outlook of the Blood Elves)

[Ignaz]

I actually want that.... (As long as its like the arts of the Wretched not how they look in game)

That aside, is just me, or the addition to Kaelthas in this expansion is going to affect the Blood Elf and High Elf somehow? i feel like he's going to be revived for him to "solve his biggest failure", diving his people (i mean... HE was the one who created the new name and outlook of the Blood Elves)

Maybe he could become the new HE race leader

[Maxilian]

Maybe he could become the new HE race leader

I doubt he would do something like that, i mean... he created the BEs, so i see no reason for him to join the other side now, though i could see him trying to reunite his people under one banner.

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[Villager720]

Maybe he could become the new HE race leader

The guy who changed their names to blood elves, introduced fel-siphoning, sided with the Burning Legion to usher Kil’jaeden into Azeroth, and was literally kept alive by a fel-crystal through his chest ... is going to be a candidate for high elven leadership?

Wut.

[Ignaz]

The guy who changed their names to blood elves, introduced fel-siphoning, sided with the Burning Legion to usher Kil’jaeden into Azeroth, and was literally kept alive by a fel-crystal through his chest ... is going to be a candidate for high elven leadership?

Wut.

I already said it. Blizzard logic is not the best.
Also, judging by the nature and purpose of the place where he will be confined, it may make some sense.

It could be an incentive for all HE to join under the same banner

[FlubberPuddy]

Just it's a shame Blizz have already confirmed that only the OG races are getting updates and the AR's arnt being looked into yet if at all.

This isn't that much different than when almost every race in WoD got their customizations at launch but there was a hold off on Blood Elves.

Or, to take it even further -> Worgen and Goblins.

Also from the sounds of things (40+ just for Blood Elves alone), it seems like there's going to be a LOT of choices for every single original race.

Watch, I bet that Night Elves will get customization that will allow them to look more Highborne if they wanted it too. Face markings for males, not just females. Hopefully interchangeable silver/gold eye color and even antlers if possible.

The Elven customizations are what I'm looking forward to most. Buuuuut, with Draenei in particular. They said you'd even be able to change the size of your tail...so makes me wonder if we could get less bulky looking male Draenei (lol). It's a dream though, but I'm excited overall for the options.

[Strippling]

Never, for it wouldn't serve it's purpose. Blood Elves aren't and won't ever be High Elves again. Never.

"Blood elves are our high elves" - Chris Metzen

if he wanted people to stop calling for High Elves, he should have gave them to the Alliance, instead of half-assing it with Void Elves.

High elves have been playable since TBC, not much he can do about people not accepting that. It is what it is.

Because I see everyone and there mother saying that we'll get more Voidy looks for VE and I wonder if those saying that actually play them. Because it's common knowledge that VE players want less Voidy stuff as customization options, not more. It'd be like adding Wretched looks to BE. nobody wants that.

Makes sense that VOID elves would get more VOIDY looks when they do eventually get more customization options. Why would Blizzard give them light skin options? That'd make them more blood elf... It's like asking for DID to receive lighter skin options so they can be more like regular dwarves. If you want to play a light skinned thalassian elf, the Horde is there waiting for you. Blood elves might receive blue eyes and tattoo options soon, so if you want that type of aesthetic then great news... it'll be available to anyone with a subscription!

[Manariel]

"Blood elves are our high elves" - Chris Metzen



High elves have been playable since TBC, not much he can do about people not accepting that. It is what it is.



Makes sense that VOID elves would get more VOIDY looks when they do eventually get more customization options. Why would Blizzard give them light skin options? That'd make them more blood elf... It's like asking for DID to receive lighter skin options so they can be more like regular dwarves. If you want to play a light skinned thalassian elf, the Horde is there waiting for you. Blood elves might receive blue eyes and tattoo options soon, so if you want that type of aesthetic then great news... it'll be available to anyone with a subscription!

Blood Elves aren't High Elves ! Is it really so hard to understand ? They don't have the same values, the same principles. They are turncoat, magic-addicted arrogant asshats who'd seel mother and daughter just to avoid having to endure arcane withdrawal. The High Elves are stoic, dedicated to a fault to their allies and unwilling to compromise their values to find a easy fix to their suffering.

They were the same, but if even Metzen said that, then he didn't understand the difference between High Elves and Blood Elves.

And I certainly don't want to be forced to play in the Horde to get an Alliance-exclusive group. Because, face it, High Elves are and will always be Alliance, baring absolute shit retcon which would definitively divorce me from WoW.

If The Horde get a fuckton of Orc clans and Trolls tribes, things which have been requested with far less intensity than High Elves, if they even receive High Elves customization options for Blood Elves, I'll still be asking for High Elves, because Pandaren rpove that there is no need for different visuals between factions, and Void Elves already gave us the skeleton. All we need is some reskin.

[Gurluas]

Blood Elves aren't High Elves ! Is it really so hard to understand ? They don't have the same values, the same principles. They are turncoat, magic-addicted arrogant asshats who'd seel mother and daughter just to avoid having to endure arcane withdrawal. The High Elves are stoic, dedicated to a fault to their allies and unwilling to compromise their values to find a easy fix to their suffering.

They were the same, but if even Metzen said that, then he didn't understand the difference between High Elves and Blood Elves.

And I certainly don't want to be forced to play in the Horde to get an Alliance-exclusive group. Because, face it, High Elves are and will always be Alliance, baring absolute shit retcon which would definitively divorce me from WoW.

If The Horde get a fuckton of Orc clans and Trolls tribes, things which have been requested with far less intensity than High Elves, if they even receive High Elves customization options for Blood Elves, I'll still be asking for High Elves, because Pandaren rpove that there is no need for different visuals between factions, and Void Elves already gave us the skeleton. All we need is some reskin.

Metzen was referring to the generic fantasy High elf concept, which is indeed closer to Blood elves.
Wow High elves are actually quite unlike most High elves in fantasy in general.

[Manariel]

Sadly from how they mentioned there won't be body options from the way they mentioned no sliders, these new customisation options are going to be purely hairstyles, eye colours, facial features and skin tones maybe also tattoos which isnt a bad thing within itself.

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But sadly the Blood elves ARE High elves it's not as if they are a different generation because they are not they are EXACTLY the same people.

No, they are not. Genes does not make a culture. The High Elves are fervently loyal to the Alliance and willing to endure great suffering to cling to their ideals. The Blood Elves are none of this. They are absolutely not the same. Playing a Blood Elf as if he was the same as a High Elf makes no sense because it's an Horde character without any shred of the nobility and inspiring story of the High Elves.

[Phaelia]

No, they are not. Genes does not make a culture. The High Elves are fervently loyal to the Alliance and willing to endure great suffering to cling to their ideals. The Blood Elves are none of this. They are absolutely not the same. Playing a Blood Elf as if he was the same as a High Elf makes no sense because it's an Horde character without any shred of the nobility and inspiring story of the High Elves.

Give me one good example of this “inspiring story” of the High Elves? Surely it’s not part of Arthas’s siege of Quel’Thalas as every Blood Elf in existence was a part of that. Surely it’s not simply Alleria who, while brave, was but one elf. Has there been a whole a High Elf campaign that I’ve missed? Has there been a whole book dedicated solely to their story?

The answer is no, you’re just building a headcanon about how noble and amazing the elves you wished you could play are. Liadrin is one of the most noble beings on Azeroth. She atoned for her mistakes, even Velen himself forgave her sins.
I do like the idea of this horrible chaotic evil Blood Elf headcanon you’ve created, but since BC they have been more interested in being scholars and archaeologists than stone cold bastards you paint them out to be. Sure, there’s been a bad egg now and then but let’s not talk about how many evil Humans there are. Not long ago Lor’themar considered rejoining the Alliance until Jaina came and screwed that up, and he was instrument in defying both Garrosh and Sylvanas.

Not that you need a history lesson, since I’m sure you’ve poured over every inch of lore you can to find something to prove you are correct.

[scubi666stacy]

No, they are not. Genes does not make a culture. The High Elves are fervently loyal to the Alliance and willing to endure great suffering to cling to their ideals. The Blood Elves are none of this. They are absolutely not the same. Playing a Blood Elf as if he was the same as a High Elf makes no sense because it's an Horde character without any shred of the nobility and inspiring story of the High Elves.

Oh please, they are not loyal. There are only a fraction of these people who are loyal to the Alliance. Alleria was special exactly because she was acting differently as the majority of their people.

It's like having 1 family somewhere which belongs to the Japanese who still behave 100% like in the feudal times, while the rest of their people are already modern. You would not call the one outlier the "main people" because there are so many others out there who have moved on and developed into a different kind of society.

What is wrong with your logics? The majority of High Elves has decided that they are Blood Elves now. End of story.
And if you think that Blood Elves have nothing "majestic" on them anymore - well, this is a pretty heavy delusion on your part. The only races which are comparable in the Horde are the Nightborne and the Zandalari, and these have joined only recently. There is a reason why so many "true horde" players reject the Blood Elves even now, after all these years. Because this race is still an anomaly compared to the others.

[Aldo Hawk]

But sadly the Blood elves ARE High elves it's not as if they are a different generation because they are not they are EXACTLY the same people.

No.

I am not playing a High elf, you can say he is a High elf and be right, but he is not a High elf, my character is a Blood elf, I can't go to the Silver enclave or to Quel'danil, because they are not the same people, I cannot go to Stormwind because my character is not a High elf, my character is not Alliance, and, on the other side, we have these elves that still call themselves High elves that are members of the Alliance.

From what I read about your last posts on this thread, I think you may feel somewhat done with the whole thing.

Well, if that's the case I have to kindly ask you to not spread defeatist messages since pretty much everyone is kind of settled on and we have enough with these individuals who only come here to be against every single word that support the request.

[Koroniss]

Again wrong because they are only re branded High elves they share all the nobility and inspiring stories of the past they only re branded to honour their dead who were all killed by a human.

Actually, undead. Who was controlled by an orc. Who was also undead by that time.

[Koroniss]

If I remember correctly, he was technically undead from the moment he got Frostmourne and lost his soul to the blade. Some interview (?) later established that it was the proximity to Frostmourne (and hence his soul) that kept him from collapsing to a pile of bones.

That's also the reason he gained all the undead looking characteristics by the time he returned to Lordaeron. He never died as the usual Scourge. But he was certainly undead (although at which point he became an actual one, someone better educated in the lore and all the retcons might be able to help here), as later on he ripped his own heart and didn't break a sweat.

[Manariel]

You cannot tell me where too or where not too post, freedom of speech buddy but also you are wrong they ARE the same people and just because I don't agree with you anymore makes me a defeatist Blood elves are Warcrafts equivalent of High Elves end of story.

The other elves you speak of are traitors and dishonour their dead after the Prince of their people renamed them in honour of the fallen.

Those elves are heroes, unlike the scum making up Quel'thalas to this day. They chose values over kin, to stand to what is right despite all odds instead of groveling at the feet of the monsters of the Horde, who murdered their people long before Arthas ever came.

The Silver Covenant and the Lodge of Quel'Danil have shown more nobility and heroism in their short history as a distinct people than the BE and former HE did.

[Aldo Hawk]

You cannot tell me where too or where not too post, freedom of speech buddy but also you are wrong they ARE the same people and just because I don't agree with you anymore makes me a defeatist Blood elves are Warcrafts equivalent of High Elves end of story.

I just asked you, since you are not helping. Your freedom of speech is not getting attacked, you can do whatever you want, just please calm down...

They are not the same people, and you even recognize it on your second paragraph:

The other elves you speak of are traitors and dishonour their dead after the Prince of their people renamed them in honour of the fallen.

Doesn't matter how traitorous they are or what you or anybody personally think of them, they aren't the Blood elves and their alignment is with the Alliance, that is the sole reason why the request keeps standing.

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Those elves are heroes, unlike the scum making up Quel'thalas to this day. They chose values over kin, to stand to what is right despite all odds instead of groveling at the feet of the monsters of the Horde, who murdered their people long before Arthas ever came.

The Silver Covenant and the Lodge of Quel'Danil have shown more nobility and heroism in their short history as a distinct people than the BE and former HE did.

Yeah whatever, the Blood elves were the ones who tried to stay united to keep and defend the realm that now High elves want back, I would not say Blood elves are scum if I were you.

[Issilian]

Ok so I've been lurking on this thread for a while now, a couple of questions.

Regardless of how many times Blizzard says "Blood Elves are High Elves" the seven of you just seem to stick your fingers in your ears and go "nanananana" and ignore it, why is that? It's been stated by pretty much every iteration of the lead design team since Cataclysm that this is the way things are, the detractors keep posting links to tweets, interviews, posts, and comments by the design team, lore designers and lead devs and yet they are dismissed. Why? I mean I get that you really want it, but at this stage, five years and almost 700 posts down the line the "if we keep asking for it" line isn't going anywhere.

Secondly, with the new custom character designs coming probably with the Shadowlands pre-patch there is a VERY high likelihood that Blood Elves will get the blue-eyed character customization, that would kinda blow a hole in your arguments wouldn't it?

[Strippling]

Blood Elves aren't High Elves ! Is it really so hard to understand ? They don't have the same values, the same principles. They are turncoat, magic-addicted arrogant asshats who'd seel mother and daughter just to avoid having to endure arcane withdrawal. The High Elves are stoic, dedicated to a fault to their allies and unwilling to compromise their values to find a easy fix to their suffering.

They were the same, but if even Metzen said that, then he didn't understand the difference between High Elves and Blood Elves.

And I certainly don't want to be forced to play in the Horde to get an Alliance-exclusive group. Because, face it, High Elves are and will always be Alliance, baring absolute shit retcon which would definitively divorce me from WoW.

If The Horde get a fuckton of Orc clans and Trolls tribes, things which have been requested with far less intensity than High Elves, if they even receive High Elves customization options for Blood Elves, I'll still be asking for High Elves, because Pandaren rpove that there is no need for different visuals between factions, and Void Elves already gave us the skeleton. All we need is some reskin.

Blood elves are high elves, and it's baffling that some players are in such denial over this fact. High elves of the alliance are arrogant just like their blood elven kin. And many of them still sated their addiction by stealing magical artifacts and siphoning the magic from them. Only a few handful of them overcame this addiction (literally talking a small group living in a small lodge). So don't act like high elves are this 'holier than thou' group of elves. They were quick to murder blood elves in the purge of dalaran. And you say they're unwilling to compromise their values... lol. Vareesa (the most noteable high elf) was willing to forsake everything she had and join her sister in the underworld... it was a late minute cold feet that stopped her from doing so, but doesn't change the fact she was willing to.

I'm sure Chris Metzen understands more about blood elves/high elves than you do. The fact you question that in and of itself shows how naive some helfers can be toward the debate at hand.

Pandaren were introduced as neutral... completely different situation to blood/high elves and not applicable whatsoever.

[FlubberPuddy]

Secondly, with the new custom character designs coming probably with the Shadowlands pre-patch there is a VERY high likelihood that Blood Elves will get the blue-eyed character customization, that would kinda blow a hole in your arguments wouldn't it?

Nope, doesn't blow any arguments. But people seem to keep sticking their fingers in their ears and go "nananana" regardless.

There are High Elves on the Alliance, High Elves that fight for the Alliance.

This is a fact. You can even see them at the beginning of Stromgarde Warfront if you're an Alliance player. The Warfronts Alliance won btw, so another victory for High Elves and the Alliance. That's a fact

If anything, when people keep asking for High Elves post Blue Eye customization on Horde Blood Elves then it should make Blizzard see a little more this isn't about having a 'Horde High Elf on Alliance' and most Alliance High Elf fans just want to play the race they see on their side and helping them in their battles against the Horde as recent as even BfA.