Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[Ignaz]

Don't you ultimately think that's a waste of an allied race slot though? We'd have 3 races that use the exact same rig/model/etc.

It doesn't have to be the same model

[Garfurion]

So your stance is that the Well that was responsible for the mutation of the then High Bourne into the now High Elves isn't responsible for the entire races blue glowing eyes? Gonna need a better argument than that.

That is pure head-canon. The Sunwell didn't cause the transformation from Night Elf to High Elf. Being cut-off from the Well of Eternity did that!

Gradually the exiled Highborne developed striking differences from the night elves. Cut off from the new Well of Eternity, they diminished in height, and their skin lost its characteristic violet hue. In addition, the elves lost their resistance to injury and illness, and they became mortal. Many of the elves died from exposure or starvation during their long journey. In addition to these hardships, the elves were forced to flee the site of their first settlement, Tirisfal Glades, due to a mysterious evil influence that drove many of their number mad.

As they pressed further inland, the elves developed a blood feud with the cunning forest trolls of Zul'Aman, who controlled most of the northern reaches of Lordaeron. Finally the exiled elves reached a region whose forestland reminded them of their distant homeland in Kalimdor. They drove out the resident Amani trolls, founded the kingdom of Quel'Thalas, and began calling themselves high elves. They also crowned Dath'Remar as their first monarch.

In spite of the hardship they had endured, the high elves remained determined to continue their spellcasting, for they had come to consider arcane power their birthright. Using a vial of sacred water stolen from the first Well of Eternity, they created a fount of mystical power at a convergence of powerful ley energies in Quel'Thalas. They named this fountain the Sunwell. Although it was weaker by far than the first Well of Eternity, the Sunwell's potent arcane magic fed and strengthened the high elves.

Fact is that the High Elven Archer & Ranger in Warcraft 2 didn't have blue eyes.
Fact is that the High Elf Sorceress unit from Warcraft 3 didn't have glowing blue eyes.
Fact is that in Warbringer Sylvanas we see plenty of High Elves without blue eyes.

[LostSinclair]

I don't have much stake in the High Elf squabble but from what I've seen it is likely that blood elves will get some new customization options that will let them pass for HE, and while it was confirmed that the factions would not be going away at the end of BFA, nothing has yet been confirmed or denied about the loosening of racial restrictions for said factions(do keep in mind these rumors are all built off player agency rhetoric/grayed out faction icons in character select screen/and supposed "leaks", take them how you will)
so my question. If you could play a Blood Elf on either faction but it would look like the High Elf you always wanted, would that be enough ? Or would it be an insult? I don't think blizzard has an option that would please everybody on this personally.

[Ignaz]

I don't have much stake in the High Elf squabble but from what I've seen it is likely that blood elves will get some new customization options that will let them pass for HE, and while it was confirmed that the factions would not be going away at the end of BFA, nothing has yet been confirmed or denied about the loosening of racial restrictions for said factions(do keep in mind these rumors are all built off player agency rhetoric/grayed out faction icons in character select screen/and supposed "leaks", take them how you will)
so my question. If you could play a Blood Elf on either faction but it would look like the High Elf you always wanted, would that be enough ? Or would it be an insult? I don't think blizzard has an option that would please everybody on this personally.

I don't know if I'm understanding you completely, but if they make blood elves like a neutral race (which I don't think will happen because it's a Horde race); that would please only those who have the fantasy of rp with the model of the blood elves as if they were Alliance High Elves.

In my humble opinion, I consider both (HE and BE) as different races of the same species, and I would like to see high elves as a separate playable race (with a new model, etc)

[LostSinclair]

I don't know if I'm understanding you completely, but if they make blood elves like a neutral race (which I don't think will happen because it's a Horde race); that would please only those who have the fantasy of rp with the model of the blood elves as if they were Alliance High Elves.

In my humble opinion, I consider both (HE and BE) as different races of the same species, and I would like to see high elves as a separate playable race (with a new model, etc)

Sorry I wasn't that clear but the rumors go along the lines of lore wise a select few of opposing faction races break away and join the other faction.(I'm kinda hoping it's true since most go horde for the superior racial abilities wise and the alliance raiding scene is... well, not to great anymore) I don't blame you for wanting a separate race, but since that idea keeps getting shot down or ignored by blizzard I wondered how many would take what they could get if this ended up happening.

[UnluckyAmateur]

It doesn't have to be the same model

Then have the High Elves being based on a tweaked BE/Nightfallen models, I don't know.

And even if they don't ? Well, no, I don't think. They make sense, have been requested since forever and the VE have already proven that there is nothing sacrosanct about "faction character/story" when it comes to Allied Races. Nightborns also do so, having the very birthplace of Tyrande and Malfurion as their capital, with an awful lot of ancient lore for kaldorei, being given to the Horde.

It doesn't have to be the same model

I have no stake in this other than it does seem a bit needy to want a race that's nothing more than different color eyes from an art perspective. Ogres, Arrakoa, etc, something with a unique silhouette just seem like better options. If they did cave in and gave that allied race slot to another elf race then I'd be mad that they wasted a slot on little more than customization options.

[Ielenia]

I’m nit being spiteful. I read nearly half the pages in this goddamn thread and it seems to me that it’s been discussed to death and blizzard will not even do it.

This is why i think the energy and thoughts of posters should go elsewhere.

Did you use to tell that to the people asking for vanilla servers?

[delus]

It wouldn't surprise me if the soldiers at Allerian Stronghold joined Alleria out of loyalty (I mean, they literally named their stronghold after her). They will most likely become Void elves if Alleria finds a way to replicate the transformation.

The question I have is whether or not the second generation of void elves will even have the side effects of the transformation. Who knows? They may fully master the void.

[FlubberPuddy]

Don't you ultimately think that's a waste of an allied race slot though? We'd have 3 races that use the exact same rig/model/etc.

I'd be ok with the same treatment Wildhammer Dwarves got. Throwing the options onto Void Elves.

People are overjoyed that Wildhammer are coming, why? Because 1) Alliance 2) Blue tattoos.

That's essentially a Wildhammer Dwarf. I believe a Blizzard developer even explicitly said, "now you can look like Falstad Wildhammer."

Imagine if they introduced a Wildhammer Dwarf but it was on Horde. People would "be a Karen" just as some suggest people wanting High Elves are being here.

A "High Elf" is like Alleria (who Ion even referenced as one) who is an Alliance leader. So until Alliance players "can look like Alleria Windrunner" I think the High Elf request will keep continuing.

The faction is just as important as the look.

Imagine if they'd add Ogres to Alliance instead of Horde, you know Ogre fanatics would complain. Anyone trying to downplay the request by saying "wow what a bunch of whinos" is just looking stupid.

It's not about the race itself, it's all that thematics that encompass a particular look. You can put Blue Eyes on a Blood Elf but it's never gonna be able to wear Alliance Stromgarde Armor, get rep with the Silver Covenant, chill in Stormwind, unlock a slew of gryphons, and ride the Quel'dorei Steed, etc etc. It's just gonna be a Blue Eyed Blood Elf.

This is also why Void Elves fail. They're Thalassians on Alliance sure, but they don't carry the essence of what a High Elf is neither by looks nor lore. It would be like telling someone who wants to play Mag'har to play a Green Orc and RP it. That's stupid. And with Blizzard adding Wildhammers after saying "it's possible", well something else they've said recently with High Elves is "anything's possible" and Afrasiabi restating "it's always possible". Just means gotta keep asking.

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If they did cave in and gave that allied race slot to another elf race then I'd be mad that they wasted a slot on little more than customization options.

Just look to how they handled it with Wildhammer Dwarves. Tacked onto Bronzebeards. If you're "worried over a wasted slot" then they would most likely tack it onto Void Elves.

[Ignaz]

Sorry I wasn't that clear but the rumors go along the lines of lore wise a select few of opposing faction races break away and join the other faction.(I'm kinda hoping it's true since most go horde for the superior racial abilities wise and the alliance raiding scene is... well, not to great anymore) I don't blame you for wanting a separate race, but since that idea keeps getting shot down or ignored by blizzard I wondered how many would take what they could get if this ended up happening.

Well, it would be a complicated but interesting idea to see, especially for the races of the alliance, since they have been loyal to their faction (and many of those races hate the horde to death).
Anyway. I wouldn't mind seeing that kind of cross between factions.

[Gurluas]

That is pure head-canon. The Sunwell didn't cause the transformation from Night Elf to High Elf. Being cut-off from the Well of Eternity did that!

Gradually the exiled Highborne developed striking differences from the night elves. Cut off from the new Well of Eternity, they diminished in height, and their skin lost its characteristic violet hue. In addition, the elves lost their resistance to injury and illness, and they became mortal. Many of the elves died from exposure or starvation during their long journey. In addition to these hardships, the elves were forced to flee the site of their first settlement, Tirisfal Glades, due to a mysterious evil influence that drove many of their number mad.

As they pressed further inland, the elves developed a blood feud with the cunning forest trolls of Zul'Aman, who controlled most of the northern reaches of Lordaeron. Finally the exiled elves reached a region whose forestland reminded them of their distant homeland in Kalimdor. They drove out the resident Amani trolls, founded the kingdom of Quel'Thalas, and began calling themselves high elves. They also crowned Dath'Remar as their first monarch.

In spite of the hardship they had endured, the high elves remained determined to continue their spellcasting, for they had come to consider arcane power their birthright. Using a vial of sacred water stolen from the first Well of Eternity, they created a fount of mystical power at a convergence of powerful ley energies in Quel'Thalas. They named this fountain the Sunwell. Although it was weaker by far than the first Well of Eternity, the Sunwell's potent arcane magic fed and strengthened the high elves.

Fact is that the High Elven Archer & Ranger in Warcraft 2 didn't have blue eyes.
Fact is that the High Elf Sorceress unit from Warcraft 3 didn't have glowing blue eyes.
Fact is that in Warbringer Sylvanas we see plenty of High Elves without blue eyes.

In Wc3 reforged all High elves have blue eyes.

[jzhbee]

It doesn't change the fact that Alliance zones are mostly unfinished, with reused assets when Blizzard takes a lot more care in crafting Horde zones. And for all the Horde players whine about their leadership going evil... they've lost two characters because of it, Garrosh and Sylvanas. Thrall's still here and he'll be the Orc racial leaders again, that's obvious, and the Forsaken will probably have Voss or the Desolate Council. The only race which was truly shafted was the Darkspears, with Vol'jin never being allowed to do anything as Warchief, and BGA positioned Rokhan has his successor.

Cairne Bloodhoof.

Desolate Council is also primarily dismantled in the events of Before the Storm, in which its defacto leadership died.

Shadowmoon Valley (WoD) felt loads better than Frostfire Ridge did. The Alliance experience in Jade Forest also feels better imo.

I really hate the troll aesthetic, so I liked Kul Tiras zones better in BFA.

[Starla]

Spin it? There is nothing that anybody has to spin at all.

It's simple, High elves, they are not playable, they are in the Alliance, ergo... Just like that.

And I can just enumerate that racials, visuals (more than eye color), classes. voicelines, etc... So yeah, so much 'just eye color'. Oh, and FACTION. Yeah, just eye color...

In fact, is so much 'just eye color' that given the recent announcements that Blood elves are going to get 40 new customization options, people are thinking that it can mean blue eyes, and even if that ends up being the case, the High elves will still be asked for. Yeah, so much 'just eye color'...

Would not be nice to bring something to the conversation than just some spiteful and half-assed comment to shit on others? Yeah, I hope that sinks in

wow.....not very helpful

[Mirishka]

I would be totally fine with blonde void shades for void elf hair. Really

Same here. We've seen high elves interacting with void elves, so a void elf that can made to look like a high elf (fair skin/hair, normal-esque blue eyes) would suffice for me.

[Starla]

it is stupid and shallow and doesn't add anything to the quality of the game. That was my opinion from the start.

and I don't get why you quote me like you just caught a mouse xD you didn't prove anything.

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telling people this thread is a waste of time? just felt like writing it so some sane people would give up on this thread and write something useful for a change.

What they're asking for (or demanding depending on who you talk to) is a boring option that already is playable in void elves and blood elves. It's not likely to ever happen, but they're free to spend time on it if they want.
If their dreams get crushed...well you tried your best.

[Molvonos]

No, you're never gonna get it
Never ever gonna get it
No, you're never gonna get it
Never ever gonna get it

No, you're never gonna get it
Never ever gonna get it
No, you're never gonna get it
Never ever gonna get it. o/`

But seriously....

[Aldo Hawk]

it is stupid and shallow and doesn't add anything to the quality of the game. That was my opinion from the start.

and I don't get why you quote me like you just caught a mouse xD you didn't prove anything.

Oh wait, so you post spiteful comments, then get pointed out as someone who comes here spouting spiteful comments, then DENY IT right to my face, and then when I QUOTE the spiteful commentary you just deny... You get bothered by it? Bothered? Are you serious?

And you even repeat the commentary that was spiteful in the first place. If you have read so much of this thread, coming out with such commentary can only denote a lack of comprehension or a shameless dishonesty from your part, try to get it right.

And please, stop telling people what they have to do, you are nobody's boss. Gotcha?

[FlubberPuddy]

What they're asking for (or demanding depending on who you talk to) is a boring option that already is playable in void elves and blood elves. It's not likely to ever happen, but they're free to spend time on it if they want.
If their dreams get crushed...well you tried your best.

Ah yes, so "boring" that it's very much desired by both Alliance players and Horde players. Yeah, instead we should be asking for "exciting options" like diaper gnomes

To me, it'll always be strange that people that want Blue Eyes on Blood Elves call the High Elf request boring.

[Maljinwo]

Hopefully, Blood Elves will get blue eyes customization in 9.0

[Aldo Hawk]

no one buys this and you can tell from developments comments they dont either. its about getting pixels without having to play the faction they belong to and cant stand. because they literally have a couple portal keepers they feel entitled to a horde race without playing the horde. not going to happen

https://imgur.com/a/Txczvo6

I thought we already went over this.

https://imgur.com/a/Txczvo6

Really, it just denotes a great quantity of dishonesty.

https://imgur.com/a/Txczvo6

And I don't want to call it ignorance since it has been so much time that anybody that have spent any time on any thread should already know.

https://imgur.com/a/Txczvo6

Well, I think it's pretty clear, right?