1. #13081
    Quote Originally Posted by Tenebra View Post
    You keep blaming the writing when maybe it's just you. That sacrifice was very important, since without the suicide squad the Alliance would have most likely lost the Battle of Dazar'alor, which was the turning point of the war. And there were a lot of people who empathized with those NPCs, especially with the Lightforged blademaster.

    Also, can you speak for yourself please? You don't get to decide who I feel sorry for and who I don't care about. You didn't give a shit about the Void elves, cool, it doesn't mean everyone is like you.
    I'm just comparing reactions. There is the evidence
    It was stupid a decision and you just have to compare. Varian vs VE NPCs. well done vs stupid decision

  2. #13082
    Quote Originally Posted by Ignaz View Post
    I'm just comparing reactions. There is the evidence
    It was stupid a decision and you just have to compare. Varian vs VE NPCs. well done vs stupid decision
    Do tell me about that solid evidence you've got going there.

  3. #13083
    Quote Originally Posted by Pennem View Post

    [SNIP]

    People making the High Elf request are wanting the same thing -> to play out that fantasy of being an Alliance High Elf.

    Redirecting the focus to "oh but this race is available" doesn't mean shit really, because then Dark Irons and Lightforged and Void Elves and Mag'har and Highmountain wouldn't be options.

    [SNIP]
    I see what you're saying, and am glad their design ideas aren't static...that would be pretty dumb in a living game like this.

    The statement of the race existing already is really only to reiterate that High Elves and Blood Elves are the same race, and that honestly, the "High Elf" culture is now the Blood Elf culture as they are the racial group that stayed in their homeland, are growing as a people and progressing their culture. High Elves aren't really doing that since they don't really have a centralized home city/ country anymore since they left Silvermoon, and lorewise, don't have a big enough population to ever thrive again (game play wise that argument is out the window with Void Elves starting with a small group yet there are thousands of them now...). They're integrating with the cultures of the people's they live with, not growing and propagating their own.

    I completely understand the fantasy of wanting to play an Alliance aligned High Elf and wasn't trying to belittle or downplay that fantasy, the only point is literally to point out that if the race is what you care about, and not necessarily the faction, the race already exists since Blood Elves ARE High Elves in all but political affiliations.

    So Blood Elf players can stop asking for Blue Eyes option then yeah? It's in now, just make a Belf DK? Let's see if they do.
    I'm not sure if the new picture of the blue eyed Blood Elf on the front page is a Death Knight or not, it doesn't look like it, though. If it's not, that pretty much confirms that Blood Elves are getting a blue eye option.

  4. #13084
    Quote Originally Posted by Tenebra View Post
    Do tell me about that solid evidence you've got going there.
    The reaction of the public. When you cry the loss of an imaginary character is because it was well developed (Varian died, everyone cry).
    I didn't see anyone cry for VE NPCs. No YouTube videos about that. 0 controversy.
    We all hope to see Varian in Shadowlands vs Nobody expects to see stupid VE NPCs in Shadowlands

  5. #13085
    Quote Originally Posted by Ignaz View Post
    The reaction of the public. When you cry the loss of an imaginary character is because it was well developed (Varian died, everyone cry).
    I didn't see anyone cry for VE NPCs. No YouTube videos about that. 0 controversy.
    We all hope to see Varian in Shadowlands vs Nobody expects to see stupid VE NPCs in Shadowlands
    You really compare the King of Stormwind to some random VE NPC? Should be comparing him to Kael'thas, the lost prince of the High / Blood Elves. Who is still one of the most prominent Elven characters. Who is a Blood Elf btw.

  6. #13086
    Quote Originally Posted by Ignaz View Post
    The reaction of the public. When you cry the loss of an imaginary character is because it was well developed (Varian died, everyone cry).
    I didn't see anyone cry for VE NPCs. No YouTube videos about that. 0 controversy.
    We all hope to see Varian in Shadowlands vs Nobody expects to see stupid VE NPCs in Shadowlands
    I personally thought his "sacrifice" was absolutely ridiculous and unnecessary and almost laughed out loud at how forced it was....1 human dude vs the fucking Legion and he thinks he's going to do anything meaningful when you have a giant airship, mages and mechanical creations all available to help out?

    And I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one, but still, me alone means that not everyone cried at his death and I DO expect to see Void Elves in Shadowlands since they've given just as much to the cause as any other Alliance troops, and I expect to see Alliance troops in Shadowlands.

    There goes your argument.

  7. #13087
    Quote Originally Posted by Tenebra View Post
    Never heard of any High Elf paladin in the Third War, never saw one in Warcraft III, never read about one on Wowpedia. You'll have to be more specific.
    "Blood elves were once high elves allied with the humans like the dwarves. Like the two others, high elves also believed in the Holy Light. A few were members of the Silver Hand, such as Mehlar Dawnblade, while others belonged to the high elven Royal Guard. The high elves began to distance themselves from Light worship after the Third War, during which Quel'Thalas came under the brutal attack of the undead Scourge. The survivors, now calling themselves blood elves, came to view the Light (which many believed had abandoned their homeland in its hour of greatest need) with contempt. "

    There have always been High Elf paladins because they worshiped the Light and were taught by The Church of the Holy Light and The Silver Hand. It didn't change after the Third War.

  8. #13088
    Quote Originally Posted by scubi666stacy View Post
    You really compare the King of Stormwind to some random VE NPC? Should be comparing him to Kael'thas, the lost prince of the High / Blood Elves. Who is still one of the most prominent Elven characters. Who is a Blood Elf btw.
    I'm comparing the narrative, not the character's rank

  9. #13089
    Quote Originally Posted by Pennem View Post
    I wanna see what it looks like on Void Elves.
    Some people are guessing it will look like Lor’themar’s/Valeera’s eyes: glowing eye texture rather than a glowing light floating in front of the eye.
    Whatever...

  10. #13090
    Quote Originally Posted by Ignaz View Post
    The reaction of the public. When you cry the loss of an imaginary character is because it was well developed (Varian died, everyone cry).
    I didn't see anyone cry for VE NPCs. No YouTube videos about that. 0 controversy.
    We all hope to see Varian in Shadowlands vs Nobody expects to see stupid VE NPCs in Shadowlands
    It's almost like people don't do reaction videos for a MMORPG quest, but they do for a CGI cinematic...

    Quote Originally Posted by Teldrien View Post
    "Blood elves were once high elves allied with the humans like the dwarves. Like the two others, high elves also believed in the Holy Light. A few were members of the Silver Hand, such as Mehlar Dawnblade, while others belonged to the high elven Royal Guard. The high elves began to distance themselves from Light worship after the Third War, during which Quel'Thalas came under the brutal attack of the undead Scourge. The survivors, now calling themselves blood elves, came to view the Light (which many believed had abandoned their homeland in its hour of greatest need) with contempt. "

    There have always been High Elf paladins because they worshiped the Light and were taught by The Church of the Holy Light and The Silver Hand. It didn't change after the Third War.
    And yet there were a total amount of 0 High Elf paladins in the reformed Silver Hand in Legion (well, aside from the Blood Knights of course). Also, let's see who's mentioned...

    Mehlar Dawnblade: Blood Elf
    Royal Guard (Quel'thalas): The only one I could find is reformed under the Sin'dorei and its members became Blood Knights.

    Also, there's no proof that that passage you quoted referred to Highvale/Silver Covenant High elves and not to High elves who then became Blood Knights (which is very likely, as I proved just now).

  11. #13091
    Quote Originally Posted by Katchii View Post
    I personally thought his "sacrifice" was absolutely ridiculous and unnecessary and almost laughed out loud at how forced it was....1 human dude vs the fucking Legion and he thinks he's going to do anything meaningful when you have a giant airship, mages and mechanical creations all available to help out?

    And I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one, but still, me alone means that not everyone cried at his death and I DO expect to see Void Elves in Shadowlands since they've given just as much to the cause as any other Alliance troops, and I expect to see Alliance troops in Shadowlands.

    There goes your argument.
    Cool. They won't appear

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tenebra View Post
    It's almost like people don't do reaction videos for a MMORPG quest, but they do for a CGI cinematic...
    Sure. It's just that.

  12. #13092
    Quote Originally Posted by Ignaz View Post
    Cool. They won't appear

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    Sure. It's just that.
    Yes, it is literally just that. Compare the number of reactions of people reacting to the BfA cinematic to the number of reactions of people reacting to NPC dialogue from the Battle of Lordaeron and then tell me if it's not that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ielenia View Post
    Playable race =/= actual race.

    A little fact you keep ignoring.
    i don't see how this can have a remotely sense, when you play human you play human, sure the ones you play come from stormwind, but they don't stop being human, the race on the screen is "human" only, and it make no sense to add the same race again just because its comes from another kingdom.


    Read above.
    they are the same race regardless, you saying "they are not the same playable race" because technicality and twisting is the dishonesty to me

    And if you have to reach that far and hard trying to make this possible, like a lawyer trying to find a hole in the law, just show how this will not/should not, be a thing.

    Then you openly admit to dishonesty. Ok.
    you play human, regardless of where comes, you play orc, regardless for where it come, same with dwarves, and so on, don't know how its dishonesty saying a fact.

    and like i said with dwarves, they are even giving options of other groups to the actual race, so this arguments falls again when they could( and prob will) give blue eyes to blood elves.

  14. #13094
    Quote Originally Posted by Ignaz View Post
    I'm comparing the narrative, not the character's rank
    But if you take one of the most prominent Human NPCs, then please use the most prominent High / Blood Elf NPC. Or take Alleria as the most prominent Void Elf, even if she had become one in a different way.

  15. #13095
    Quote Originally Posted by Ignaz View Post
    Cool. They won't appear
    Sure, whatever, I honestly don't care it's not THAT big of a deal and it fully makes sense why Varian Wrynn previous High King of the Alliance would get screen time vs no-name Void Elf NPC #237.....anyone who thinks otherwise is being unreasonable.

  16. #13096
    Quote Originally Posted by Tenebra View Post
    Yes, it is literally just that. Compare the number of reactions of people reacting to the BfA cinematic to the number of reactions of people reacting to NPC dialogue from the Battle of Lordaeron and then tell me if it's not that.
    You can see the large number of dialogue between NPCs videos that has been upload post siege to Orgrimmar 2.0

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katchii View Post
    Sure, whatever, I honestly don't care it's not THAT big of a deal and it fully makes sense why Varian Wrynn previous High King of the Alliance would get screen time vs no-name Void Elf NPC #237.....anyone who thinks otherwise is being unreasonable.
    That's the point

  17. #13097
    Quote Originally Posted by Tenebra View Post
    It's almost like people don't do reaction videos for a MMORPG quest, but they do for a CGI cinematic...



    And yet there were a total amount of 0 High Elf paladins in the reformed Silver Hand in Legion (well, aside from the Blood Knights of course). Also, let's see who's mentioned...

    Mehlar Dawnblade: Blood Elf
    Royal Guard (Quel'thalas): The only one I could find is reformed under the Sin'dorei and its members became Blood Knights.

    Also, there's no proof that that passage you quoted referred to Highvale/Silver Covenant High elves and not to High elves who then became Blood Knights (which is very likely, as I proved just now).
    You asked for proof of High Elf paladins before the Third War, and I've provided them. You asked for current High Elf paladin NPCs, and I've provided them as well. Putting the two together means that Alliance High Elves did not stop worshiping the Light post Third War. At least not all, clearly. As not all High Elves turned into Blood Elves which, again, is clearly the case because we have High Elf paladin NPCs.

    And no, there are no High Elf paladins in the Paladin Order Hall, but that also doesn't mean they don't exist. There are no High Elf Priests in the Netherlight Temple, does that mean there are no High Elf Priests? The same logic then applies to the other Order Halls, even if there are ones that do have High Elves like the Mage Order Hall.

    The passage doesn't have to apply to The Silver Covenant or Highvale because it applies to all High Elves. There were and are a good number of High Elves that worship the Light. The aftermath of the Third War might have shook their faith a little just like their Blood Elf brothers, but there hasn't been any mention or proof of the High Elves opting out of their faith because, again, there are High Elf paladins and priests.

  18. #13098
    Quote Originally Posted by scubi666stacy View Post
    But if you take one of the most prominent Human NPCs, then please use the most prominent High / Blood Elf NPC. Or take Alleria as the most prominent Void Elf, even if she had become one in a different way.
    I would argue that she is still not a void elf, she is a high elf with a void form, akin to a shadow priest. Void really didn't affect her physically as much as it did other void elves, if affected at all, considering how she constantly walks around in her high elven form.

  19. #13099
    Quote Originally Posted by Ignaz View Post
    That's the point
    Thank you Captain Obvious....

  20. #13100
    Quote Originally Posted by Katchii View Post
    Thank you Captain Obvious....
    you're welcome, charm

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