Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[scubi666stacy]

The reaction of the public. When you cry the loss of an imaginary character is because it was well developed (Varian died, everyone cry).
I didn't see anyone cry for VE NPCs. No YouTube videos about that. 0 controversy.
We all hope to see Varian in Shadowlands vs Nobody expects to see stupid VE NPCs in Shadowlands

You really compare the King of Stormwind to some random VE NPC? Should be comparing him to Kael'thas, the lost prince of the High / Blood Elves. Who is still one of the most prominent Elven characters. Who is a Blood Elf btw.

[Katchii]

The reaction of the public. When you cry the loss of an imaginary character is because it was well developed (Varian died, everyone cry).
I didn't see anyone cry for VE NPCs. No YouTube videos about that. 0 controversy.
We all hope to see Varian in Shadowlands vs Nobody expects to see stupid VE NPCs in Shadowlands

I personally thought his "sacrifice" was absolutely ridiculous and unnecessary and almost laughed out loud at how forced it was....1 human dude vs the fucking Legion and he thinks he's going to do anything meaningful when you have a giant airship, mages and mechanical creations all available to help out?

And I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one, but still, me alone means that not everyone cried at his death and I DO expect to see Void Elves in Shadowlands since they've given just as much to the cause as any other Alliance troops, and I expect to see Alliance troops in Shadowlands.

There goes your argument.

[Teldrien]

Never heard of any High Elf paladin in the Third War, never saw one in Warcraft III, never read about one on Wowpedia. You'll have to be more specific.

"Blood elves were once high elves allied with the humans like the dwarves. Like the two others, high elves also believed in the Holy Light. A few were members of the Silver Hand, such as Mehlar Dawnblade, while others belonged to the high elven Royal Guard. The high elves began to distance themselves from Light worship after the Third War, during which Quel'Thalas came under the brutal attack of the undead Scourge. The survivors, now calling themselves blood elves, came to view the Light (which many believed had abandoned their homeland in its hour of greatest need) with contempt. "

There have always been High Elf paladins because they worshiped the Light and were taught by The Church of the Holy Light and The Silver Hand. It didn't change after the Third War.

[Ignaz]

You really compare the King of Stormwind to some random VE NPC? Should be comparing him to Kael'thas, the lost prince of the High / Blood Elves. Who is still one of the most prominent Elven characters. Who is a Blood Elf btw.

I'm comparing the narrative, not the character's rank

[DeicideUH]

I wanna see what it looks like on Void Elves.

Some people are guessing it will look like Lor’themar’s/Valeera’s eyes: glowing eye texture rather than a glowing light floating in front of the eye.

[Varodoc]

The reaction of the public. When you cry the loss of an imaginary character is because it was well developed (Varian died, everyone cry).
I didn't see anyone cry for VE NPCs. No YouTube videos about that. 0 controversy.
We all hope to see Varian in Shadowlands vs Nobody expects to see stupid VE NPCs in Shadowlands

It's almost like people don't do reaction videos for a MMORPG quest, but they do for a CGI cinematic...

"Blood elves were once high elves allied with the humans like the dwarves. Like the two others, high elves also believed in the Holy Light. A few were members of the Silver Hand, such as Mehlar Dawnblade, while others belonged to the high elven Royal Guard. The high elves began to distance themselves from Light worship after the Third War, during which Quel'Thalas came under the brutal attack of the undead Scourge. The survivors, now calling themselves blood elves, came to view the Light (which many believed had abandoned their homeland in its hour of greatest need) with contempt. "

There have always been High Elf paladins because they worshiped the Light and were taught by The Church of the Holy Light and The Silver Hand. It didn't change after the Third War.

And yet there were a total amount of 0 High Elf paladins in the reformed Silver Hand in Legion (well, aside from the Blood Knights of course). Also, let's see who's mentioned...

Mehlar Dawnblade: Blood Elf
Royal Guard (Quel'thalas): The only one I could find is reformed under the Sin'dorei and its members became Blood Knights.

Also, there's no proof that that passage you quoted referred to Highvale/Silver Covenant High elves and not to High elves who then became Blood Knights (which is very likely, as I proved just now).

[Ignaz]

I personally thought his "sacrifice" was absolutely ridiculous and unnecessary and almost laughed out loud at how forced it was....1 human dude vs the fucking Legion and he thinks he's going to do anything meaningful when you have a giant airship, mages and mechanical creations all available to help out?

And I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one, but still, me alone means that not everyone cried at his death and I DO expect to see Void Elves in Shadowlands since they've given just as much to the cause as any other Alliance troops, and I expect to see Alliance troops in Shadowlands.

There goes your argument.

Cool. They won't appear

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It's almost like people don't do reaction videos for a MMORPG quest, but they do for a CGI cinematic...

Sure. It's just that.

[Varodoc]

Cool. They won't appear

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Sure. It's just that.

Yes, it is literally just that. Compare the number of reactions of people reacting to the BfA cinematic to the number of reactions of people reacting to NPC dialogue from the Battle of Lordaeron and then tell me if it's not that.

[Syegfryed]

Playable race =/= actual race.

A little fact you keep ignoring.

i don't see how this can have a remotely sense, when you play human you play human, sure the ones you play come from stormwind, but they don't stop being human, the race on the screen is "human" only, and it make no sense to add the same race again just because its comes from another kingdom.

Read above.

they are the same race regardless, you saying "they are not the same playable race" because technicality and twisting is the dishonesty to me

And if you have to reach that far and hard trying to make this possible, like a lawyer trying to find a hole in the law, just show how this will not/should not, be a thing.

Then you openly admit to dishonesty. Ok.

you play human, regardless of where comes, you play orc, regardless for where it come, same with dwarves, and so on, don't know how its dishonesty saying a fact.

and like i said with dwarves, they are even giving options of other groups to the actual race, so this arguments falls again when they could( and prob will) give blue eyes to blood elves.

[scubi666stacy]

I'm comparing the narrative, not the character's rank

But if you take one of the most prominent Human NPCs, then please use the most prominent High / Blood Elf NPC. Or take Alleria as the most prominent Void Elf, even if she had become one in a different way.

[Katchii]

Cool. They won't appear

Sure, whatever, I honestly don't care it's not THAT big of a deal and it fully makes sense why Varian Wrynn previous High King of the Alliance would get screen time vs no-name Void Elf NPC #237.....anyone who thinks otherwise is being unreasonable.

[Ignaz]

Yes, it is literally just that. Compare the number of reactions of people reacting to the BfA cinematic to the number of reactions of people reacting to NPC dialogue from the Battle of Lordaeron and then tell me if it's not that.

You can see the large number of dialogue between NPCs videos that has been upload post siege to Orgrimmar 2.0

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Sure, whatever, I honestly don't care it's not THAT big of a deal and it fully makes sense why Varian Wrynn previous High King of the Alliance would get screen time vs no-name Void Elf NPC #237.....anyone who thinks otherwise is being unreasonable.

That's the point

[Teldrien]

It's almost like people don't do reaction videos for a MMORPG quest, but they do for a CGI cinematic...



And yet there were a total amount of 0 High Elf paladins in the reformed Silver Hand in Legion (well, aside from the Blood Knights of course). Also, let's see who's mentioned...

Mehlar Dawnblade: Blood Elf
Royal Guard (Quel'thalas): The only one I could find is reformed under the Sin'dorei and its members became Blood Knights.

Also, there's no proof that that passage you quoted referred to Highvale/Silver Covenant High elves and not to High elves who then became Blood Knights (which is very likely, as I proved just now).

You asked for proof of High Elf paladins before the Third War, and I've provided them. You asked for current High Elf paladin NPCs, and I've provided them as well. Putting the two together means that Alliance High Elves did not stop worshiping the Light post Third War. At least not all, clearly. As not all High Elves turned into Blood Elves which, again, is clearly the case because we have High Elf paladin NPCs.

And no, there are no High Elf paladins in the Paladin Order Hall, but that also doesn't mean they don't exist. There are no High Elf Priests in the Netherlight Temple, does that mean there are no High Elf Priests? The same logic then applies to the other Order Halls, even if there are ones that do have High Elves like the Mage Order Hall.

The passage doesn't have to apply to The Silver Covenant or Highvale because it applies to all High Elves. There were and are a good number of High Elves that worship the Light. The aftermath of the Third War might have shook their faith a little just like their Blood Elf brothers, but there hasn't been any mention or proof of the High Elves opting out of their faith because, again, there are High Elf paladins and priests.

[romskee1]

But if you take one of the most prominent Human NPCs, then please use the most prominent High / Blood Elf NPC. Or take Alleria as the most prominent Void Elf, even if she had become one in a different way.

I would argue that she is still not a void elf, she is a high elf with a void form, akin to a shadow priest. Void really didn't affect her physically as much as it did other void elves, if affected at all, considering how she constantly walks around in her high elven form.

[Katchii]

That's the point

Thank you Captain Obvious....

[Ignaz]

Thank you Captain Obvious....

you're welcome, charm

[Varodoc]

You asked for proof of High Elf paladins before the Third War, and I've provided them. You asked for current High Elf paladin NPCs, and I've provided them as well. Putting the two together means that Alliance High Elves did not stop worshiping the Light post Third War. At least not all, clearly. As not all High Elves turned into Blood Elves which, again, is clearly the case because we have High Elf paladin NPCs.

And no, there are no High Elf paladins in the Paladin Order Hall, but that also doesn't mean they don't exist. There are no High Elf Priests in the Netherlight Temple, does that mean there are no High Elf Priests? The same logic then applies to the other Order Halls, even if there are ones that do have High Elves like the Mage Order Hall.

The passage doesn't have to apply to The Silver Covenant or Highvale because it applies to all High Elves. There were and are a good number of High Elves that worship the Light. The aftermath of the Third War might have shook their faith a little just like their Blood Elf brothers, but there hasn't been any mention or proof of the High Elves opting out of their faith because, again, there are High Elf paladins and priests.

I asked for proof of Highvale/Silver Covenant Paladins during the Third War, and you didn't provide anything. The only thing you provided are Blood Elf paladins. Also for all we know all High elves who joined the Alliance were not paladins aside from that one trainer.

[Teldrien]

I asked for proof of Highvale/Silver Covenant Paladins during the Third War, and you didn't provide anything. The only thing you provided are Blood Elf paladins. Also for all we know all High elves who joined the Alliance were not paladins aside from that one trainer.

That one trainer, Rulen Lightsreap is of The Silver Covenant. There's another High Elf paladin in the Argent Tournament that is a daily quest giver, Cellian Daybreak. I provided Blood Elf paladins because you said you didn't hear of any High Elf paladins before the Third War when there actually were.

[Frenchvince]

We must no longer seek to understand the class / race logic, we will soon have paladins, mages or warlock wildhammer.

I just hope the blood elves will have the "dark ranger" option, chances are it's possible, Hello Velonara.

As soon as it's the turn of the allied races, the pill will pass more easily, when the void elves will have the high-elf option.

Long live the future character customization.

[Varodoc]

That one trainer, Rulen Lightsreap is of The Silver Covenant. There's another High Elf paladin in the Argent Tournament that is a daily quest giver, Cellian Daybreak. I provided Blood Elf paladins because you said you didn't hear of any High Elf paladins before the Third War when there actually were.

We were talking about ALLIANCE-aligned High Elves, I even aknowledged before that remark that the only High Elves were the Sin'dorei Blood Knights. It was clear whom I was referring to.

If it's so simple to have a playable race/class combination, then I suppose we can just have two "dark" paladins put in the game and that's enough for playable Void Elf paladins, completely removing this problem in the first place.