1. #13101
    Quote Originally Posted by Teldrien View Post
    You asked for proof of High Elf paladins before the Third War, and I've provided them. You asked for current High Elf paladin NPCs, and I've provided them as well. Putting the two together means that Alliance High Elves did not stop worshiping the Light post Third War. At least not all, clearly. As not all High Elves turned into Blood Elves which, again, is clearly the case because we have High Elf paladin NPCs.

    And no, there are no High Elf paladins in the Paladin Order Hall, but that also doesn't mean they don't exist. There are no High Elf Priests in the Netherlight Temple, does that mean there are no High Elf Priests? The same logic then applies to the other Order Halls, even if there are ones that do have High Elves like the Mage Order Hall.

    The passage doesn't have to apply to The Silver Covenant or Highvale because it applies to all High Elves. There were and are a good number of High Elves that worship the Light. The aftermath of the Third War might have shook their faith a little just like their Blood Elf brothers, but there hasn't been any mention or proof of the High Elves opting out of their faith because, again, there are High Elf paladins and priests.
    I asked for proof of Highvale/Silver Covenant Paladins during the Third War, and you didn't provide anything. The only thing you provided are Blood Elf paladins. Also for all we know all High elves who joined the Alliance were not paladins aside from that one trainer.

  2. #13102
    Quote Originally Posted by Tenebra View Post
    I asked for proof of Highvale/Silver Covenant Paladins during the Third War, and you didn't provide anything. The only thing you provided are Blood Elf paladins. Also for all we know all High elves who joined the Alliance were not paladins aside from that one trainer.
    That one trainer, Rulen Lightsreap is of The Silver Covenant. There's another High Elf paladin in the Argent Tournament that is a daily quest giver, Cellian Daybreak. I provided Blood Elf paladins because you said you didn't hear of any High Elf paladins before the Third War when there actually were.

  3. #13103
    We must no longer seek to understand the class / race logic, we will soon have paladins, mages or warlock wildhammer.

    I just hope the blood elves will have the "dark ranger" option, chances are it's possible, Hello Velonara.

    As soon as it's the turn of the allied races, the pill will pass more easily, when the void elves will have the high-elf option.

    Long live the future character customization.

  4. #13104
    Quote Originally Posted by Teldrien View Post
    That one trainer, Rulen Lightsreap is of The Silver Covenant. There's another High Elf paladin in the Argent Tournament that is a daily quest giver, Cellian Daybreak. I provided Blood Elf paladins because you said you didn't hear of any High Elf paladins before the Third War when there actually were.
    We were talking about ALLIANCE-aligned High Elves, I even aknowledged before that remark that the only High Elves were the Sin'dorei Blood Knights. It was clear whom I was referring to.

    If it's so simple to have a playable race/class combination, then I suppose we can just have two "dark" paladins put in the game and that's enough for playable Void Elf paladins, completely removing this problem in the first place.

  5. #13105
    It saddens me to see this amount of toxicity in a thread with so much potential.

    Nice artwork concepts, I wish you guys luck with your efforts.

  6. #13106
    Quote Originally Posted by Tenebra View Post
    We were talking about ALLIANCE-aligned High Elves, I even aknowledged before that remark that the only High Elves were the Sin'dorei Blood Knights. It was clear whom I was referring to.

    If it's so simple to have a playable race/class combination, then I suppose we can just have two "dark" paladins put in the game and that's enough for playable Void Elf paladins, completely removing this problem in the first place.
    The difference between having "dark paladins" and actual paladins as a class for High Elves is that Alliance aligned High Elves actually do have a history of being paladins and always have had paladins before and after the Third War. It's never been shown that their faith ever changed. Just because there aren't enough NPCs in-game doesn't mean they aren't there. An example would be Worgen priests. The concept makes sense and they do exist in lore but there aren't really a good number of Gilnean priest NPCs in-game (also none can be found in Netherlight Temple), does that mean they don't exist either?

    Putting "dark paladins" in the game would be a completely new concept and out of the blue unlike Alliance aligned High Elf paladins which have been already established and actually exist.

    I could keep going round and round trying to argue pedantic details over a race that Blizzard hasn't given much development, but the facts are there and I don't really want to sound like a broken record and post the same argument over and over again. I'm going to just leave it at that.

    That aside, Frenchvince makes a good point. The Wildhammer customisation is pretty much revealed and confirmed, which means we can have Wildhammer Dwarf paladins and I don't think Wildhammer paladins are a thing at all, at least from what I've seen or heard.

  7. #13107
    Quote Originally Posted by Teldrien View Post
    The difference between having "dark paladins" and actual paladins as a class for High Elves is that Alliance aligned High Elves actually do have a history of being paladins and always have had paladins before and after the Third War. It's never been shown that their faith ever changed. Just because there aren't enough NPCs in-game doesn't mean they aren't there. An example would be Worgen priests. The concept makes sense and they do exist in lore but there aren't really a good number of Gilnean priest NPCs in-game (also none can be found in Netherlight Temple), does that mean they don't exist either?

    Putting "dark paladins" in the game would be a completely new concept and out of the blue unlike Alliance aligned High Elf paladins which have been already established and actually exist.

    I could keep going round and round trying to argue pedantic details over a race that Blizzard hasn't given much development, but the facts are there and I don't really want to sound like a broken record and post the same argument over and over again. I'm going to just leave it at that.

    That aside, Frenchvince makes a good point. The Wildhammer customisation is pretty much revealed and confirmed, which means we can have Wildhammer Dwarf paladins and I don't think Wildhammer paladins are a thing at all, at least from what I've seen or heard.
    Provide citation that it's actually the Highvale/Silver Covenant High Elves who were those paladins, because it could very well be that ALL High elf paladins (save a few) just became Blood Knights anyway (which is actually what was written in the Royal Guard, so you shot yourself in the foot). Also obviously Worgen priests exist, but for them it's different, there's literally a massive cathedral in the center of Gilneas which you can't miss.

    Regardless, if we can have Wildhammer paladins, which are a new concept, then we can also have Void elf paladins anyway. Which means that those Blood elf paladins who want to go Alliance will be able to become Void elves.

  8. #13108
    Sorry but i have to mess with this, here is your high elfs xD


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    Quote Originally Posted by Frenchvince View Post
    It is only the intensity of the glow of the eyes of the DK and the night elves that will be less strong.

    All other DK races will also be high elves, cool !

    lmao what? XD

  10. #13110
    Quote Originally Posted by Shakana View Post
    Sorry but i have to mess with this, here is your high elfs xD

    It seems like they were dead on arrival after all. Badum tss.

  11. #13111
    Quote Originally Posted by Tenebra View Post
    It seems like they were dead on arrival after all. Badum tss.
    Hahaha good one

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tenebra View Post
    It seems like they were dead on arrival after all. Badum tss.
    The real joke to laugh at is people thinking this will end the High Elf request. Badum tss.

  13. #13113
    Quote Originally Posted by Syegfryed View Post
    when you play human you play human, sure the ones you play come from stormwind, but they don't stop being human, the race on the screen is "human" only, and it make no sense to add the same race again just because its comes from another kingdom.
    Yeah, I just got back from a break too so I’m also behind the times and only found out recently that they added Kul’tiran humans. Its so dumb, cause theyre just humans from another kingdom but hey, if blizz is gonna be dumb hopefully they can at least be dumb in a consistent manner!

    I hope they add some of the non-bronzebeard dwarven kingdoms next, i know theyre all dwarves but still

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    Quote Originally Posted by dontrelleroosevelt View Post
    Except, it's not gon' happen. The multitudes of customization coming will suffice.
    Please don't pretend you speak for all of us.
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    Why don't they just add a questline to the Void Elves (like Night Elf Night Warrior) to purify yourself? Then you like go visit some other High Elves and they give you some facepaint and you're all good to go.

    Then Blood Elves can get a corruption questline where they can become a San'layn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syegfryed View Post
    i don't see how this can have a remotely sense, when you play human you play human, sure the ones you play come from stormwind, but they don't stop being human, the race on the screen is "human" only, and it make no sense to add the same race again just because its comes from another kingdom.
    But you don't play as ALL humans. Only from Stormwind. That means you don't play as humans for Lordaeron, or Gilneas, or any other human kingdom.

    they are the same race regardless, you saying "they are not the same playable race" because technicality and twisting is the dishonesty to me
    It's not a "technicality" or "twisting" because it's a meaningful fact, here. We don't want to play Horde blood elves. We want to play as Alliance high elves. They may be the same race, biologically, but they are not the same "playable race" anywhere where game mechanics are concerned, which is what really matters, here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ielenia View Post
    But you don't play as ALL humans.
    that would be psychically impossible regardless, and you can by your RP, they may even said that with the new customization you will get humans from other kingdons, like what will happen with Dwarves
    Only from Stormwind. That means you don't play as humans for Lordaeron, or Gilneas, or any other human kingdom.
    Right,i never denied that, nevertheless, they are all the same race, human race, and the human race is already playable.
    It's not a "technicality" or "twisting" because it's a meaningful fact, here. We don't want to play Horde blood elves. We want to play as Alliance high elves.
    They may be the same race, biologically, but they are not the same "playable race" anywhere where game mechanics are concerned, which is what really matters, here.
    that is literally twisting things by technically, that you even need to put quotation marks,its a reach trying to find a "hole in the rules" to get what you want.

    They are the same race, yes, the race is already playable yes, they are not the same group yes. Like i said, people would get more luck with half elves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lettersandpunctuation View Post
    Yeah, I just got back from a break too so I’m also behind the times and only found out recently that they added Kul’tiran humans. Its so dumb, cause theyre just humans from another kingdom but hey, if blizz is gonna be dumb hopefully they can at least be dumb in a consistent manner!
    thankful they are not just humans from other kingdom, they are a different breed of humans,showing in their appeaence, and the difference is supported by lore and logic, not just headcanon and fanfic

    I hope they add some of the non-bronzebeard dwarven kingdoms next, i know theyre all dwarves but still
    they in fact will, wildhammers will come next expansion, but just as a customization, and not allied race, the reason would be they are not different enough to come as allied race like dark iron and kul'tirans, and if wildhammer will not be allied race,little no hope left for helves.

  18. #13118
    Quote Originally Posted by Syegfryed View Post
    Right,i never denied that, nevertheless, they are all the same race, human race, and the human race is already playable.
    No. They are the human species and in the human species are different races like kul'tiran humans and Stormwind human.
    Same with high elves vs blood elves
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  19. #13119
    Quote Originally Posted by ro9ue View Post
    Why don't they just add a questline to the Void Elves (like Night Elf Night Warrior) to purify yourself? Then you like go visit some other High Elves and they give you some facepaint and you're all good to go.

    Then Blood Elves can get a corruption questline where they can become a San'layn.
    This would be very cool.

    I mean I find it silly that high elves are just there to stare at either way lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ignaz View Post
    No. They are the human species and in the human species are different races like kul'tiran humans and Stormwind human.
    Same with high elves vs blood elves
    you are entering in a completely different subject here, specie and race in wow, may or may not be the same as our world, and i don't rly wanna talk about that since mods already said to not enter in this topic.

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