Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[The Silver Covenant]

sure
nice try going for the, sentimental card, the appeal of emotion, but if you are so fan of high elves, maybe you should play warcraft3, and see the fate of the high elf race, and why they, with their people, their kingdom and everything else are on horde now.

TFT does not explain why they joined the Horde. That flimsy lore happens in TBC, and doesn't make a ton of sense to this day.

[Syegfryed]

TFT does not explain why they joined the Horde. That flimsy lore happens in TBC, and doesn't make a ton of sense to this day.

explain why they left the alliance for good, and TBC kinda explain, just not well, and it makes ok sense.

[Magicon]

But that wouldn't make them High Elves on the Alliance, would it?

Why wouldn't that make them high elves? A uncorrupted look on a Void Elf is a high Elf using Void Magic.

[Ignaz]

there is literally no physical differences dude, i already pointed out and showed to you, the only difference is political.

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no, im implying they didn't mean to be an allied race, they decided after the playerbase feedback and they come in 8.1.



the magha npcs were also bigger then the green orcs npcs


sure, start the calling names



your are of course implying here tht high elf biology is the same as human biology and they would exactyl the same even with different enviroments.

the "fat kul'tirans are not like that because they spend some years doing push ups, they are a different breed of humans adapted to harsh conditions whoptake some generation to be like that.

and of course i bet my left nut you would not want a Fat elf.


in the wiki you can find how the HE are few even in human cities, the silver covenant is a small terrorist group anyway.

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you are implying that the magic withdrawal is the same as some cigarette or weed addiction, magic was their font of energy, their "food" when you alck you grow weaker, not stronger, elf bodies are not human humans.



also by the lack of it.



the high elves convinced me of that, and they always make sure to remember it, if its not the elf model, or a better elf model, its not good for then.


not as deadly, the green orcs is stronger and powerful, stayed ingame.


the maghar didn't even had that as racial showing is not that strong.



you are one in a million, most people who i talk never would be ok with that anyway.

For me they should make HE also undergo their ritual, and still make the half-elves playable, win-win scenario.

There are differences between HE and BE. and the change happened with the BE, not with the HE.
Although they (orcs and BE) did not INTERACT (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interaction) IN the same way with fel magic, BE were changed (vain attitude, skin color, eye color). Under blizzard standards, that makes HE a separate race to the BE.

I said before, when they planned to integrate BE as a playable race, Blizz changed the models that had HE and BE(because they had the same models as night elves, they only had other colors). HE would not look the same anymore if Blizz makes them a playable race (also for the integration of the VE).

Racials may change as the narrative of playable races develops, same as culture and their bodies.
- In an intensive training regimen, an athlete can increase his muscle mass in an important way in just one month. (HE had 15 years to change.)
- An immigrant who adopts the culture (laws and customs) of the country that welcomes him, builds a hybrid between his mother culture and the culture of the country where he will live. Usually, that takes 3-5 years depending on the person. (HE had 15 years to do it).
- Like hybrid culture, racial can also be hybridized, for example: quel'danil elves may have racial more attached to the use of nature and open spaces.

Regarding the issue of Kul'tiran, according to what you said, the KT would have 3 races in their cities:
- fat KT
- skinny KT
- Stormwind KT
All of them completely different races apparently...

The numbers of a population can grow in 15 years. Even more if it is a long-lived population

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they rly don't, they are tiny and less muscular than humans, no way a race would reach a kul'tiran or a normal human lv, just because 2 years of hardwork.

wow… my dude. Have you ever been in a gym?

[Ielenia]

you know that don't refute what i said right?

It only refutes 100% of what you said. You have a quote from an interview where Ion (y'know, the guy you people put on a pedestal for saying that "the horde is there for you" BS?) talking about the hardships that it was to make the Kul'Tiras humans into an allied race?
• "Back in Blizzcon, a year and a few months ago". Interview posted Jan 2019. "A year ago" jan 2018. "And a few months ago" nov 2017. I.E. when BfA was announced as the next expansion;
• "When we first announced allied race, we mentioned Zandalari and Dark Iron dwarves. The reason we did not announce Kul'Tiras as an allied race is because we did not know if we could do Kul'Tiras practically."

It's right there in the interview, on black on white, how they wanted to make Kul'Tiras an allied race right from the get-go, and not "last minute decision" like you claim it was.

Again: inform yourself.

they rly don't, they are tiny and less muscular than humans, no way a race would reach a kul'tiran or a normal human lv, just because 2 years of hardwork.

I never said they'd look like humans. Stop twisting what I'm saying. I'm talking about the treatment given to Kul'Tirans, i.e., different form and animations, results of hardships and training. And lore hooks exist to make that possible.

but the normal and thin humans do not do the same thing of kul'tirans, they obvious are different and that difference is going for their descendants as well, maybe that breed of humans come long ago and are still passing their genes.

And here you are dodging the point completely. Your claim of "adaption to the environment' is bollocks considering Kul'Tiras does not have any new environment that does not already exist elsewhere. Yeah, sure it must have been hard to adapt to the lush green environment of Stormsong Valley...

the problem is those "lore hooks" make no sense with the actual lore.

They do make perfect sense with the established lore, and I explained why. Would you like to try your hand explaining why they would make no sense in your opinion?

And i said "food", not actual food, but they did die without it, some of then did, ad addiction like that is not healed by "body training" and they only were cured by the cleaning of the sunwell.

I never said "healed", I said helped withstand the negative effects of withdrawal.

And yea. "Cured by the restoration of the Sunwell". They were as 'cured' as a drug addict is when you give him his favorite drug again. The thalassian elves were never "cured" of their addiction. They still depend on the Sunwell. That it not being "cured". The only elves that were actually cured of their addiction are the nightborne. The thalassian elves are still addicted to the Sunwell.

i pretty sure before normal elves also languish without mana

Then I'll have to ask you to look for that source of information, because all the information I have seen in all my years playing WoW is that 'wretched status' happens when an elf overindulges in mana consumption.

[Astranea]

Dumb question alert.

Couldn’t Blizzard give Alliance the High Elves using a new skin for the Night Elves instead, with or without minor adjustments?

After all they were all the same people before the highborne/night elves/nightborne divide, they were already using the night elves model in Classic anyway, and one could easily justify the change in appearance of the Blood elves with the Fel influence in order to keep their unique look?

What I mean is, I am sure Blizzard thought it was smart to have them use the fancy new model in BC because it was... well, new. But it has been such a long time ago, and so many things have been patched and implemented since then, with allied races and models being updated and customizations being added, that I do not think it would it really hurt any one if they simply used the alliance model (or close to) in order to emphasize their allegiance.

In fact, why not just give the night elves the correct eyes, tattoos and skins? That would make them quietly playable for the roleplayers without having to explain a thing, exactly like the many ’new’ old troll and dwarven skins and tattoos that are being added even if from different tribes and clans.

[scubi666stacy]

This is actually hilarious to read, and shows that you either didn't pay attention during the RTS games or are badly misinformed. The Quel'dorei were always brooding anti-hero types, just as the Sin'dorei are today, starting with their introduction in Warcraft II. Giving the Blood Elves to the Horde legit both watered them down and removed something essential from the Alliance. Instead of being the spiteful Warcraft twist on traditional elves being part of the shining good faction, they became asshole elves on the faction full of asshole races. Allowing the High Elves who remained with the Alliance every step of the way, even though Blizzard's decision to balance the factions by giving Silvermoon and Blood Elves to the Horde, would do a lot to restore something essential that Warcraft lost along the way to today.

I have played them years ago, when they have been current games. Since then, many things have happened, some things have been developed, other retconned. Also, I am not that much anally fixated on some specific NPC quotes from 20 years ago.

But - if you say that Quel'dorei have always been the anti-hero types - then you have even less reasons to argue for High Elves. The core of this race is already found where it belongs to, it seems. No need to add a playable race to the Alliance which would distort the picture. NPCs are more than enough to represent the exiles and dissidents of the Thallasian Elves.

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Let. People. Have. Their. God. Damn. High. Elves. And. Stop. This. Endless. Debate. Already.

There is only one and only incident where I would accept this to happen: When Blizzard finds some use to "Alliance High Elves" as player characters in the story as player characters and presents a reasonable storyline where all these numerous High Elves suddenly come from (even if this is some "alternate reality" asspull like we had in WoD). Nothing else matters. And currently, there is 0 reasons to get High Elves. So please just shut up.

[The Talon King]

Are we all ready for Blood Elves to get blue eyes? ^_^

Even if they do, they wouldn't be High Elves.

[Obelisk Kai]

The ayes color doesn't matter. They are two different races.
Blizzard has changed many times models in order to make a race ready to be playable. that visual rework could work with HE
It doesn't matter if they put blue ayes in blood elves costm, we will still ask for High elven ¡FOR THE ALLIANCE!

You know what, I actually agree for the most part.

Eye colour doesn't matter. It's just an eye colour and therefore there is no reason to be upset at it's potential addition to the Blood Elves.

And now that you mention it, a visual rework could help differentiate Blood Elves and a group of thalassian elves within the Alliance. I would like to suggest blue to purple skin colours in contrast to the Blood Elf palette and perhaps plentiful tentacles in the hair options. An excellent idea you have had and one I wish to commend.

The one thing I disagree with though is your statement that they are two different races which is wrong. Whilst everyone is entitled to their opinion on that point, I suspect what you have is just an opinion, whereas I can cite numerous examples of lore showing that Blood Elves and High Elf exiles are the same race.

[delus]

its something a lot of then want, like we can see in those topics

its make sense because blood elves are high elves


that is not the only on logical choice, that is not even a logical choice



the mount is already available, blue eye and tattoo will or should be given to the blood elves and you will play exactly like that

Nah, what should be given to blood elves is wretched and felblood customization. Make them at least look like they belong in the Horde.

[Obelisk Kai]

In the sense that she wants them to come over to the Alliance and still hates the Horde. Showing despite being "kin", her faction loyalty matters more.

Again, being "kin" or "same race" or "same species" doesn't mean shit. This thread is asking for a playable version of High Elves who call themselves High Elves on the Alliance. This group already exists on the Alliance. Their existence is real. Having a type of that high elf on Horde doesn't mean shit.

It would be like me trying to say Dark Irons shouldn't be their own race because "dwarves are their kin" and thus should be only customization options for already playable dwarves.

Every argument you or others throw at High Elves doesn't work when you apply it to the other available Allied Races. Because the message has been quite clear, Blizzard does whatever the fuck Blizzard wants.

Just as we're seeing them retcon what Chronicles was supposed to stand for, and now it's become "well this was written from that Titan's perspective". Blizzard changes whatever they want, on the fly, to suit whatever it is they're trying to do at the moment.

None of that will dissuade people from asking for what they want.

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As the increased customizations coming to Trolls, Humans, Undead, and Dwarves showed so far. Majority of people don't give a fuck as long as they can at least look the part.

Why? Because visual aesthetics speak volumes for your character you're choosing to play the game with. This is why the outcry for origins of Mag'har died out very quickly, majority doesn't give a fuck because they can at least appear as a brown orc and just RP "yes I come from Outlands", but there's a difference between doing that and being a Green Orc and trying to RP the same thing - the disconnect is bigger.

Wildhammer Dwarves are coming through the increased customizations and most are overjoyed, even those that understand their racials are specific to mountain dwarves and mining/stones which aren't anything like Wildhammer Dwarf culture.

Also, you went on pretty big about faction integrity and still try to convince people that High Elves are a duplicate to Blood Elves. High Elves are defined by their faction loyalty to the Alliance, if we're going to put faction integrity as a hugely important thing, then High Elves being defined by this is hugely important as well. You relegate that part of the High Elf identity to nowhere and then focus on the look of just a race itself.

A Blood Elf will never be able to hang around stormwind without being attacked, nor do dungeons with gnomes/dwarves/humans, nor ride any of the Alliance specific mounts, wear any Alliance specific gear or use Alliance specific toys etc. Faction is a huuuuuge identity and the High Elves have shown they fight for the Alliance as recent as BfA.

They carry more presence within the Alliance than Horde Ogres do, yet trying to use that argument against adding Horde Ogres would seem stupid, just like it is here. "The Ogres barely have any presence outside Cataclysm, they're not part of Horde identity so Horde should never get them". Whereas High Elves fighting for Alliance has appeared since TBC, carried in WotLK, and even still in BfA.

You cannot on one hand say Faction identity is integral to the game then completely ignore/minimize the Faction integrity that a specific racial group holds, despite being similar in appearance.

Alliance High Elves are gung-ho Alliance members, doesn't matter how one tries to minimize it. Playing a Blood Elf is playing someone who is gung-ho Horde. Those two ideologies will never make sense. Regardless of a Blood Elf carrying Blue Eyes.

You seem to be fixating on skin tones being a silver bullet for adding High Elves to the Alliance by way of Void Elves, yet you keep conflating the differing circumstances of an allied race with that of a core race. The origin of every single member of an Allied race is set in stone because we had to go out and recruit them. You can't pretend to be a Mag'har Orc from Outland should you play a Mag'har Orc, you are forever one from alternate Draenor. You can't pretend to be a Mechagnome from outside Mechagon, your very origin precludes that from being a possibility. And you can never be a Void Elf that did not go through the process of becoming a Void Elf. Sure, there is a little bit of wriggle room in that you could argue your void elf was a member of the silver covenant who submitted to the transformation at a later date, but what you can't do is play a Void Elf as if they never became a Void Elf at all.

In regards to your argument regarding faction identity, I have always said the sole meaningful difference between Blood Elves and the High Exiles was their 'alignment' to the Alliance. I have also said it is nowhere near enough to justify them as their own option as they are identical to Blood Elves in every other way except that alignment. If you are arguing that what defines the high elf exiles is what I have been saying is their one (and woefully insufficient) distinguishing feature all along, then I am afraid you've run out of arguments. I suspect there is a measure of rhetorical re-positioning going on here in advance of the Blood Elf customization pass we will see details of in a few months. If, as seems very possible, Blood Elves get a blue eye customization, then there isn't even that to stand on as regards physical differentiation.

As for the high elven exiles being 'gung-ho' members of the Alliance, the total high elven exile participation in the recent fourth war was a total of four individuals, two of whom shielded an airship and so didn't get their hands dirty, one of whom opened portals and didn't get their hands dirty, and Frostfencer Seraphi, he of the luscious blue-gray coloured hair. The only thing I take from their existence, beyond that the apparently 'gung-ho' army of Alliance fanatics decided to essentially sit the war out, is that Frostfencer's Seraphi's hair colour would be a pretty nifty addition to Blood Elf customizations and it goes on the list of what to hope for.

Finally, the majority of the Ogres left the Horde. That a tiny community of Ogres remains is, to me, irrelevant. Ogres are not a core part of the Horde and that is just a reflection of the reality of the situation. So while it is up in the air as to whether they could rejoin the Horde one day, right now they are a de facto neutral race and not a relevant point of comparison.

[delus]

You know what, I actually agree for the most part.

Eye colour doesn't matter. It's just an eye colour and therefore there is no reason to be upset at it's potential addition to the Blood Elves.

And now that you mention it, a visual rework could help differentiate Blood Elves and a group of thalassian elves within the Alliance. I would like to suggest blue to purple skin colours in contrast to the Blood Elf palette and perhaps plentiful tentacles in the hair options. An excellent idea you have had and one I wish to commend.

The one thing I disagree with though is your statement that they are two different races which is wrong. Whilst everyone is entitled to their opinion on that point, I suspect what you have is just an opinion, whereas I can cite numerous examples of lore showing that Blood Elves and High Elf exiles are the same race.

It's funny that you ommitted that "visual rework" having blue eyes. But hey, I wouldn't mind trading blue eyes for pink skin.

[FlubberPuddy]

You seem to be fixating on skin tones being a silver bullet for adding High Elves to the Alliance by way of Void Elves, yet you keep conflating the differing circumstances of an allied race with that of a core race. The origin of every single member of an Allied race is set in stone because we had to go out and recruit them. You can't pretend to be a Mag'har Orc from Outland should you play a Mag'har Orc, you are forever one from alternate Draenor. You can't pretend to be a Mechagnome from outside Mechagon, your very origin precludes that from being a possibility. And you can never be a Void Elf that did not go through the process of becoming a Void Elf. Sure, there is a little bit of wriggle room in that you could argue your void elf was a member of the silver covenant who submitted to the transformation at a later date, but what you can't do is play a Void Elf as if they never became a Void Elf at all.

Afrasiabi himself said to others that High Elf skins on VE are possible, he also encouraged people to not give up hope during answering of that question. A question you often like to remind that is centered on Void Elves getting High Elf skins. But you're still not understanding what I'm saying.

All of what you're saying here does not matter. There are going to be people who legit play a Wildhammer Dwarf as if they're not having Mountain King Heritage Armor, Mtn Dwarf racials/mounts. You won't ruin their parade. There are people who RP their Mag'har as from Outland right now, you're not ruining their parade. I bet if Blue Eyes come to Blood Elves some will RP them as never having done the things that Blood Elves have done, you won't ruin their parade. There are going to be people RPing Desert Trolls and Dark Trolls as either not from the Echo Isles or the last few of their kind (Dark Trolls) and you're not going to ruin their parade.

Why? Because as I said most don't care as long as they at least get the aesthetic. Just try it, try and go around to all the kinds of people I mentioned and "show them reality", they're not going to care. Because the purpose of the increased options is there to - as Ion said - "make you feel how you want to feel, and different from those who play the same race as you."

It's almost like giving players the key to the city.

In regards to your argument regarding faction identity, I have always said the sole meaningful difference between Blood Elves and the High Exiles was their 'alignment' to the Alliance. I have also said it is nowhere near enough to justify them as their own option as they are identical to Blood Elves in every other way except that alignment. If you are arguing that what defines the high elf exiles is what I have been saying is their one (and woefully insufficient) distinguishing feature all along, then I am afraid you've run out of arguments. I suspect there is a measure of rhetorical re-positioning going on here in advance of the Blood Elf customization pass we will see details of in a few months. If, as seems very possible, Blood Elves get a blue eye customization, then there isn't even that to stand on as regards physical differentiation.

Again, no argument needs to be made. Nobody has to "make arguments" to justify why they'd like a certain option to become playable. Mechagnomes show this. Other than scant few people here and there saying "yes I'd love to play a mechagnome like in Ulduar" there was never anything close to 'ok here are the reasons this race should be added'.

Is there likely a better chance if a race has a lot of backing, that it's added? Sure. But just as likely as not, High Elves are the example of that particular situation. Same for Ogres, San'layn, Forest Trolls, etc.

But anyone has to be blind if they think arguing against anyone here is either raising or lowering the likelihood of High Elves getting added. All people need to do is have that discourse with Blizzard until they have a finality to it (which they have not) like how they've been final with Pathfinder. Even with their finality towards Pathfinder, people still ask for it and get the reinforced answer. It's been like the 3rd time since people have asked for Pathfinder to go away, Blizzard at least still responds.

The High Elf request isn't new, but Ion's response of "go play the Horde if you want to be a High Elf" is relatively new, and even then, he has only responded to it 2x. Afrasiabi afterwards had a different take, a question contextually about Void Elves but thematically on High Elf fantasy within the Alliance. And Afrasiabi's take is "it's possible, don't give up hope" which is encouraging those who want it to keep requesting it.

This is a big difference from Pathfinder where 1) They never encourage people to keep asking against it and 2) They continually reinforce it's the way to go. Just as Blizzard still responds to Pathfinder questions, I hope they will respond to High Elf ones too. The High Elf Request only truly dies once Blizzard has made a final decision or never ever bring it up again after like a decade or something. Kind of like the dance studio. It's just an old tired meme and pretty much everyone realizes that's never happening and it never gets brought up by Blizzard in any serious manner either.

As for the high elven exiles being 'gung-ho' members of the Alliance, the total high elven exile participation in the recent fourth war was a total of four individuals, two of whom shielded an airship and so didn't get their hands dirty, one of whom opened portals and didn't get their hands dirty, and Frostfencer Seraphi, he of the luscious blue-gray coloured hair. The only thing I take from their existence, beyond that the apparently 'gung-ho' army of Alliance fanatics decided to essentially sit the war out, is that Frostfencer's Seraphi's hair colour would be a pretty nifty addition to Blood Elf customizations and it goes on the list of what to hope for.

I'm sure that Stormwind only exists to house a few hundred NPCs too then? Literal numbers of an NPC =/= how many there are in the universe. Or is the sprawling city of Boralus only home to a couple hundred or so people?

Stop using such a silly depiction as an argument. They've also stated that every NPC (including Void Elves) involved in the Alliance Nazmir assault has died. Yet that doesn't mean anything in regards to actual troop numbers.

If anything, only named NPCs have actual limited lives until Blizzard decides their time is up. If an NPC is just a generic troop then one can consider there being an infinite amount of them. Because that's how Blizzard utilizes them. They're meant to represent a % and not literal number. Otherwise how can one explain the constant use of the Silver Covenant? I guess they must just be really elite soldiers. But I digress, the use of Cities in the game is enough to debunk any argument where someone tries to use the literal number of a generic NPC as if that's all that is left of them.

Finally, the majority of the Ogres left the Horde. That a tiny community of Ogres remains is, to me, irrelevant. Ogres are not a core part of the Horde and that is just a reflection of the reality of the situation. So while it is up in the air as to whether they could rejoin the Horde one day, right now they are a de facto neutral race and not a relevant point of comparison.

Yeah go say that in a thread asking for Ogres and see the types of answers you will get. <-- this is my point. Not particularly that Ogres are justified or not, that I don't care. But just showing you will get similar push back against others who wanted something added into the game if you (general you) come in to that particular threadpiece and oppose it.

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Dumb question alert.

Couldn’t Blizzard give Alliance the High Elves using a new skin for the Night Elves instead, with or without minor adjustments?

I don't think it's dumb at all, and quite possibly we mayyyyy see this. The customization options they've already previewed show that they're not concerned about being "lore appropriate" at all.

I would actually really like it. Bring on Nozdormu Elves!

[Syegfryed]

Again: inform yourself.

Travis: So, Thin Man and Fat Man are what we call them internally. And no, they’re not intended to be a different race

https://blizzardwatch.com/2018/04/05...-day-jimmy-lo/

if you believe they had all a master plan and planed then to do from the start then its not my problem, they could have put the maghar with the kultiras instead but they didn't anyway, they had a ton of time to work on kul'tiran before dark iron do add then when it was needed.

I never said they'd look like humans. Stop twisting what I'm saying. I'm talking about the treatment given to Kul'Tirans, i.e., different form and animations, results of hardships and training. And lore hooks exist to make that possible.

if you don't have the same bodytype or biotype you simple don't archive the same lv, this not happen even with humans, it will not happen with humans and elves.

And here you are dodging the point completely. Your claim of "adaption to the environment' is bollocks considering Kul'Tiras does not have any new environment that does not already exist elsewhere. Yeah, sure it must have been hard to adapt to the lush green environment of Stormsong Valley..

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its devs words, not mine

They do make perfect sense with the established lore, and I explained why. Would you like to try your hand explaining why they would make no sense in your opinion?

just because humans get another breed after generations, don't mean the elf race will became another thing, because some of then did push ups in 2 years, its simple nonsense.
And yet, however "training" the HE did to abstain from mana, the bloodelves also did that, with the farstiders not relying on magic too, why the elves of the silver covenant would be buffer than the farstriders? nonsense.

And yea. "Cured by the restoration of the Sunwell". They were as 'cured' as a drug addict is when you give him his favorite drug again. The thalassian elves were never "cured" of their addiction.

it is said that the light cured their addiction, lorthemar or someone else else said that.

Then I'll have to ask you to look for that source of information, because all the information I have seen in all my years playing WoW is that 'wretched status' happens when an elf overindulges in mana consumption.

im not sure thats why i didn't say its a fact, i know the lethargy would eventually wither then away and thy would die.

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wow… my dude. Have you ever been in a gym?

did you...? cause i don't think so.

There are differences between HE and BE.

they didn't:

High elves and blood elves are physiologically the same race, and the difference between high and blood elves is only political

warcraft encyclopledia.

BE were changed (vain attitude, skin color, eye color). Under blizzard standards, that makes HE a separate race to the BE.

All elves are vain, the eye color is not a argument anymore since there is blood elves with blue eyes and the skin color is also false, under blizzard standars they are not a separated race and thats why they didn't add then.

The numbers of a population can grow in 15 years. Even more if it is a long-lived population

its only one generation at best, and no, its the other way around, long lived population do't have children often and don't grow in population like shot-lived races.

Dumb question alert.

Couldn’t Blizzard give Alliance the High Elves using a new skin for the Night Elves instead, with or without minor adjustments?

something must happen, like changed by magic for the "new skin" make sense, like what happened to void elves, if not, any skin the HE get the BE should get, because they are the same.

[Ignaz]

You know what, I actually agree for the most part.

Eye colour doesn't matter. It's just an eye colour and therefore there is no reason to be upset at it's potential addition to the Blood Elves.

And now that you mention it, a visual rework could help differentiate Blood Elves and a group of thalassian elves within the Alliance. I would like to suggest blue to purple skin colours in contrast to the Blood Elf palette and perhaps plentiful tentacles in the hair options. An excellent idea you have had and one I wish to commend.

The one thing I disagree with though is your statement that they are two different races which is wrong. Whilst everyone is entitled to their opinion on that point, I suspect what you have is just an opinion, whereas I can cite numerous examples of lore showing that Blood Elves and High Elf exiles are the same race.

From the moment that blood elves began to interact with fel magic they distinguished themselves as a different race from the high elves (Under the blizzard standards, of course).

I won't tell you anything else, since your comment is stained in bad faith...

HIGH ELVES FOR THE ALLIANCE! HAHA

[Manariel]

You know what, I actually agree for the most part.

Eye colour doesn't matter. It's just an eye colour and therefore there is no reason to be upset at it's potential addition to the Blood Elves.

And now that you mention it, a visual rework could help differentiate Blood Elves and a group of thalassian elves within the Alliance. I would like to suggest blue to purple skin colours in contrast to the Blood Elf palette and perhaps plentiful tentacles in the hair options. An excellent idea you have had and one I wish to commend.

The one thing I disagree with though is your statement that they are two different races which is wrong. Whilst everyone is entitled to their opinion on that point, I suspect what you have is just an opinion, whereas I can cite numerous examples of lore showing that Blood Elves and High Elf exiles are the same race.

I know you're trolling but I can't help but smile at that post.

Because it displays for all to see the sheer hypocrisy of the anti-High Elves crowd. They accuse us of caring only about the aesthetic of the High Elves - the current one - and that we use the lore as a gig leaf, when they, proud and noble, oppose it because of such pillars of WoW as Factions Uniquenes (because Pandaren and VE who looks exactly the same as BE in a lot of set aren't a thing) and the Thalassian lore which solely belong to the Horde now oppose it, and High Elves would be stealing from it.

However, they conveniently brush any problem with the VE when it is they who are stealing the BE thunder, not the HE who, over 15+ years have become distinct enough from the BE that they have no qualms molesting or killing the others, as seen in Dalaran or Suramar. Perhaps I shouldn't be telling this to a North Irlander, but it's almost as if now, HE and BE were Republicans and Unionists, don't you think ?

Meanwhile, the VE are allowed to go away with the BE lore of playing with dangerous energies for flimsy reasons but in the name of the greater good of Quel'thalas. kind of like the BE in TBC and even their Light users were like that back then. And BE players have bemoaned the loss of their edge and unscrupulous actions ever since the Sunwell Plateau's ending.

But since VE looks nothing like BE, and thus are aesthetically distinct - because they have an ugly purple tint on their skin - they are well accepted and used to try and silence us. Well, that's too bad. Because they may superfically look like HE, but they are Blood Elves at heart and lorewise, they have nothing in common with the elves we have been requesting since a very long time and will keep requesting until they are brought into the game. The High Elves. the fair-skinned elves of the Alliance. Distinct from the fair-skinned elves of the Horde.

And, obviously, the pathetic glee of the anti-HE crowd when they saw the new Dk's eyes on BE also reinforce the fact that they only care for the appearance of the game, not its lore, at least when it comes to High Elves.

[Ignaz]

I don't think it's dumb at all, and quite possibly we mayyyyy see this. The customization options they've already previewed show that they're not concerned about being "lore appropriate" at all.

I would actually really like it. Bring on Nozdormu Elves!

Nozdormu Elves idea sounds great, but I would like them to use that model to create a separate race not only as a recolor of the night elves.
Because if they do so (créate a separate race), there would be more opportunities to explore the culture and customs of the high elves after their break with blood elves and we would not only focus on the RP.

[FlubberPuddy]

Nozdormu Elves idea sounds great, but I would like them to use that model to create a separate race not only as a recolor of the night elves.
Because if they do so (créate a separate race), there would be more opportunities to explore the culture and customs of the high elves after their break with blood elves and we would not only focus on the RP.

I gladly support having them as a separate race option on the Alliance far more.

All I truly want is Alliance to get an Elven Paladin option. I would love High Elves to become a playable race option for Alliance too, but my true want isn't that hefty.

[Astranea]

something must happen, like changed by magic for the "new skin" make sense, like what happened to void elves, if not, any skin the HE get the BE should get, because they are the same.

That would be nice... but I do not think they explained the new skins and tattoos for Wildhammer dwarves customizations being given to the Bronzebeard, nor all the the types of different and even 'wild' trolls skins being assigned to someone who had originally been created as a troll from the Darkspear tribe.

In fact, the racial abilities won't match at all, and several of the troll options do not make sense faction wise.

So if they do not excessively care for those races, they could do the same for High/Night Elves customization, in order to please the fanbase without giving in to a proper allied race.

[Ignaz]

I gladly support having them as a separate race option on the Alliance far more.

All I truly want is Alliance to get an Elven Paladin option. I would love High Elves to become a playable race option for Alliance too, but my true want isn't that hefty.

In my case, I am intrigued by both the narrative of blood elves and that of high elves, and i would like to see more of that lore, the conflict and tension between both sides (that point being a pillar of the game).