Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[Goretex]

As a Horde player, and Orc/Undead supremacist. I'd gladly roll a Void Elf over any other elf race if they were Horde. Nightborne ewww!

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As for the Elf Paladin fantasy, if that is such a strong draw, then there is no reason Night Elf Paladins are not a thing yet. It's almost cruel they haven't been introduced. I would 100% support this particular demand.

With what the devs said a couple days ago in front of mmo c website. It looks like Nelf paladins are going to be a thing in the future.

[corebit]

These requests have been ongoing for a decade, and Blizzard's response has been to use them more and more in the Alliance story, not less.

Mind explaining how they are using them "more and more"? I'm not seeing that. Their relevance in Legion is only because Dalaran was reused once again. Their presence in BfA is one guy in Jaina's Angels. I don't see any High Elf hubs.

I'm not saying we can expect High Elves soon™. [However, the community reaction to Void Elves has been sharp.

And which community would that be? Plenty of people are satisfied with Void Elves. Many in the High Elf camp believe they are somehow the overwhelming majority and try to speak for everyone in the Alliance.

[Traycor]

Several people in the thread have suggested Half Elves...

One idea could be to include High Elves and Half Elves as one race under "High Elves". Some of the customization/face/ear options could have a half elf look. That could be interesting and would change things up a bit for those who want it. Many of these half elves would be older than Anduin, so it makes sense.

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I don't like any half breeds. If introduce them, why not Half Orcs, Half Tauren, Half Goblin, Quarter Troll etc. This seems like a direction nowhere.

[Zorish]

*after looking on lore section of mmochamp forum*

interesting... how big will be rant from Aliance if they get HE... and horde will get Eredar in example... or maybe natrezim? (this jaina model from HotS is just too hot)...

[Combatbutler]

Is there a limit on the number of slots ? If there is it wouldn't it have made sense to add Mag'har Orcs as customization options to green Orcs and Dark Iron as customization options to Bronzebeards.

We have currently four elves two quite distinctive night elf models and two barely distinguishable thallassain ones and you want to add a third thallasian model, that would look even more like an already existing one, instead of something as different as possibly something like a sethrak, vulpera etc. If you do then by all means I consider you beyond help.

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*after looking on lore section of mmochamp forum*

interesting... how big will be rant from Aliance if they get HE... and horde will get Eredar in example... or maybe natrezim? (this jaina model from HotS is just too hot)...

Considering that not much happened when Lightforged were introduced, I am not sure why it would be different with High Elves.

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*after looking on lore section of mmochamp forum*

interesting... how big will be rant from Aliance if they get HE... and horde will get Eredar in example... or maybe natrezim?

High Elves for Alliance and Eredar for Horde sounds absolutely perfect to me!

[Traycor]

This post from @Flux made some excellent points:

player races in WoW are not representative of an entire race. They can't be. We're all essentially clones with a few different hairstyles and mildly different faces. We all stand the same, move the same, sound the same. We're all the same height, build etc. Are you saying that in lore, all Blood Elves are literally the Blood Elf model we have? None of them are thinner? All of them have that stock kitty smile? They all have the same slouch posture? The entire race sticks to a bare handful of hairstyles and all of them run like copy pasted robots? Of course not.

What I'm saying is that High Elves could easily be visually distinct. They aren't a different species, but they'd be a different identity. The stock High Elf guy would not have to be the same as the stock Blood Elf guy because entire races don't work like that.

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Mind explaining how they are using them "more and more"? I'm not seeing that. Their relevance in Legion is only because Dalaran was reused once again. Their presence in BfA is one guy in Jaina's Angels. I don't see any High Elf hubs.

They've consistently had new story throughout the expansions, significant NPCs, and new quest related content. The Windrunner sisters were a big part of the story of Legion. As for BfA, we haven't seen most of that yet, but it would hardly invalidate that 10 years of calls for High Elves has not brought about their destruction.

And which community would that be? Plenty of people are satisfied with Void Elves. Many in the High Elf camp believe they are somehow the overwhelming majority and try to speak for everyone in the Alliance.

It's fine to like Void Elves and I hope the people that do will enjoy them very much. They aren't going anywhere, so have fun!

It's pretty obvious that there has been an outcry and Blizzard has acknowledged the calls for High Elves. It doesn't take an "overwhelming majority" for there to be a community outcry, or even something close to a majority. In a game as big as WoW, a "significant community" is still a very small percentage of the overall player base. If Blizzard only listened to a consensus of the overwhelming majority of players, they would just ignore community feedback all together.

[Obelisk Kai]

It's pretty obvious that there has been an outcry and Blizzard has acknowledged the calls for High Elves. It doesn't take an "overwhelming majority" for there to be a community outcry, or even something close to a majority. In a game as big as WoW, a "significant community" is still a very small percentage of the overall player base. If Blizzard only listened to a consensus of the overwhelming majority of players, they would just ignore community feedback all together.

Yeah that works with every other grouping but not this one.

Like it or not, Alliance High Elves are the only group that generate as much opposition as they do support.

You keep pretending that Alliance High Elves can be judged in isolation, forgetting Blizzard literally gave the Alliance a thalassian model elf within the past three months and that the race you are proposing is almost indistinguishable from a currently playable Horde race.

The only way your argument can be treated seriously is if we all pretend Void Elves aren't what the obviously are, an attempt to mollify both sides of this argument.

Whether they failed or not is immaterial (and they didn't, the hardcore was never going to be mollified and they are the ones complaining loudest), the fact they exists insanely complicates any chances of blizzard trying again.

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Like it or not, Alliance High Elves are the only group that generate as much opposition as they do support.

Just no. Most people don't give a fuck, and even most of those who're opposed to it are more like 'I'd rather have something else' than vehemently against. Your rabid opposition is a bizarre outlier.

[Traycor]

Like it or not, Alliance High Elves are the only group that generate as much opposition as they do support.

I think you greatly overestimate your position. Most of the "opposition" is neutral players that are tired of seeing threads on the subject. They simply don't care.

The only way your argument can be treated seriously...

...is if it matters to people.

I'm not quite sure what your point is. We're in a thread to discuss fun new design ideas and you follow everyone around posting, "Give up hope! Turn back now!" I imagine it's being said in a spooky voice like a ghost story.

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Right. So the people that speak out against HE's on the official forums and those that request a Blue Eyed variant for BE's; which have capped an entire thread and half way through another on the WoW forums in what.. a week, so what those are just our imaginations?

Er, sorry. Wrong terminology, over there they're known as "trolls".

What does it prove, lol? One capped thread where mostly the same people are posting to each other means that anti-High Elf people are the majority? Well, I guess then the pro-High Elf people who capped numerous amount of threads are a bigger majority, if we follow your logic

[Varx]

This shit needs to stop. Don't you guys see how shitty giving high elves to the alliance would be in a business and marketing stand point would be???? Every new race has to be met with a counterpart for the opposite faction. If alliance get High elves then wtf will horde get, Night Elves with green eyes?? No, the Horde will get a new race like ogres, GilGoblins, less decayed forsaken, vulpera, etc, etc, while the Alliance get Thallasian Elves AGAIN, only this time they're a carbon copy of belves, unlike velves.

Now think about it. The majority of WoW players are casual and aren't as knowledgeable with the lore as the rest of us are. How the fuck will those alliance players feel when they get assed out a new race while the horde doesn't. But no fuck them, my poor little Warcraft 2 RP feefees are butt-hurt and my entitled ass is demanding High Elves. Grow up.

High Elves are fine in their current incarnation as NPC's to satisfy the lore. Either play B/VELF or stfu.

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What does it prove? Several capped threads where mostly the same people are posting to each other means that High Elf people are the majority?

I can do it to, not that hard.

Oh, don't get me wrong, I've never claimed that pro-High Elf people are the majority. Majority wanting a race means a majority would play it and that's just absurd, isn't it? My point is that the majority doesn't care about this issue at all.

And btw, it took High Elf loyalist how many months to fill out how many threads? Meanwhile the anti's have nearly filled out two in a week?

The High Elf people were filling their threads in like few days at some point. The current iteration of it is like part 40 or smth, if you consider all the extensions that they have received before.

[Traycor]

I think that something important is missing. The existent lore of the Silver Covenant in WoW.
so many people say that they are forgotten, that only Blood Elves exist and have relevance.
Well, time to say all the High Elves Blizzard has used in WoW, especially under Vereesa's command (the most fit High Elf racial leader for now).

Here's the Silver Covenant info from WoWpedia. If we were to add in the Vereesa specific story elements (the leader of the Silver Covenant) there would be even more. Maybe we can discuss this content and decide what would be good to include in the OP:

History of the Silver Covenant

Wrath of the Lich King
The Silver Covenant is a militant faction of high elves led by the high elf Vereesa Windrunner. They reject the admission of blood elves into the Kirin Tor and have taken it upon themselves to serve as a military deterrent for any potential Horde uprising. They have joined the Alliance Vanguard, along with the Explorers' League and the main host of the Valiance Expedition, in Northrend. They employ hippogryphs as well.

They represented the Alliance in the Argent Tournament. Later the champions of the Silver Covenant helped fight the forces of the scourge in the Frozen Halls and its Sunreaver counterpart in Dalaran, to restore the magical blade Quel'Delar from its defiled state by the Blood-Queen Lana'thel.

Cataclysm
In the wake of the Cataclysm, the Silver Covenant is invited by the Ranger-General of Silvermoon, Halduron Brightwing, to join forces with Vol'jin of the Darkspear tribe against the budding Amani empire within the city of Zul'Aman.

Mists of Pandaria
Jaina mobilized the Alliance forces and the Silver Covenant to purge the Horde from Dalaran. While Jaina rounded up the Sunreavers who surrendered peacefully, Vereesa sends Alliance agents to prevent the Sunreavers from escaping and neutralize any Horde insurrections or Sunreaver sympathizers who were aiding and abetting their resistance to incarceration. The Silver Covenant is dispatched into the sewers, where they round up several bewildered Sunreaver citizens. Soon after, the Covenant comes under attack by Grand Magister Rommath, whose assault on the city includes undoing much of the Silver Covenant's attacks underground, in Krasus' Landing, and in the (now Alliance-controlled) Sunreaver's Sanctuary.

The Silver Covenant is later seen supporting Jaina Proudmoore's Kirin Tor Offensive as they vie for control over the Isle of Thunder.

Legion
Vereesa leads the Silver Covenant to Trueshot Lodge, pledging their aid to the new leader of the Unseen Path following their inauguration.

Later, together with the Sentinels and the Quel'Thalassian force they participated the Nightfallen rebellion.

[Lebanese Dude]

And that's just the Covenant. There are the High Elves that appeared in Allerian Stronghold (who are now canonically back in Stormwind), the Stormwind High Elves that have been scattered about (some of which being refugees from Lordaeron and Theramore), the Quel'danil High Elves that live in a town in the Hinterlands, and the High Elves of Dalaran that are not part of the Silver Covenant.

All of these can technically join the Silver Covenant (possibly under a new name).

[Varx]

You can throw as much Lore BS as you want to. What is the majority of the alliance player base going to think when patch 8.x comes out and the horde gets Ogres and they get a copy of belves after their already got Velves.

This High elf fantasy is a big joke and doesn't care that World of Warcraft is run by a business that needs to keep coming up with FRESH ideas to keep their customers interested in their product. Spitting on half of their players is not the way to do that. No matter what way you spin it there is no legit Horde counterpart for High Elves unless they decide to give Horde green eyed REGULAR NIGHT ELVES. Open your eyes.

[Garfurion]

You can throw as much Lore BS as you want to. What is the majority of the alliance player base going to think when patch 8.x comes out and the horde gets Ogres and they get a copy of belves after their already got Velves.

This High elf fantasy is a big joke and doesn't care that World of Warcraft is run by a business that needs to keep coming up with FRESH ideas to keep their customers interested in their product. Spitting on half of their players is not the way to do that. No matter what way you spin it there is no legit Horde counterpart for High Elves unless they decide to give Horde green eyed REGULAR NIGHT ELVES. Open your eyes.

Leper Gnomes could be the counterpart. If I remember correctly there were a few in Undercity

[Varx]

Leper Gnomes could be the counterpart. If I remember correctly there were a few in Undercity

Alliance is still assed out.