Easy, it was an experiment they decided to try to see if it worked. Here's the rub though, they are pretty clear that it didn't work. Oh sure, Pandaren themselves are a fine race, but the cost to faction diversity by making them neutral was simply too great. And Pandaren had everything going for them, a race both sides wanted but neither had meaning they would join both sides at the same time, a story emphasising balance and their neutrality. Still wasn't worth it. They've not a done neutral race since. They likely never will again as the real benefits of making a neutral race, only a single pair of levelling zones and just two models to make rather than four zones and four models, is obviated by Allied races allowing model reuse and skipping the first levelling zones entirely.
Pandaren neutrality is not a precedent. It was a mistake. And the thing about mistakes is that once you make it, you can avoid making that same mistake a second time.
But it is their "official name".
All "playable races" are "a group, not a race", hence why that denomination is meaningless. "Human" is not a race, but a group of the human race. "Troll" is not a race, but a group of the troll race.The are individuals of the high elf race within the alliance, a group, not a race, who are not playable
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Funny. I don't see the Jinyu or Ankoan there. Perhaps the only ones present in that cinematic are only the representatives of the currently playable races?
its the name of their race, yes, but "official name of the group"? hardly, since they are not a official faction, neither a conjunct group with a common goal or leader, the ones in dalaran are silver covenant by example
all playable races are a race, you pick a race and play with it, of course the race have to come from somewhere, but this don't mean they are not a raceAll "playable races" are "a group, not a race"
Meaningless to who? who said that? your race is human, you play one, troll is a race you play one, they all come from somewhere.hence why that denomination is meaningless. "Human" is not a race, but a group of the human race. "Troll" is not a race, but a group of the troll race.
Thats why you don't see nothing about "lordearon humans allied race" " Stromgarde Humans allied race" or "dalaran humans allied race" and obviously they will not happen, since they are the same and humans are already playable.
the other human and the other troll playable now are subraces, they are different(thematically and physically), the high elves in the alliance are not a subrace they are the same
or perhaps the only ones present are only the core races representatives?Funny. I don't see the Jinyu or Ankoan there. Perhaps the only ones present in that cinematic are only the representatives of the currently playable races?
Jinyu and ankoan fall to the same boat of firbolg and HE, minor races not core ones.
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Taking you just have 6 posts and a December account im gonna bet you are very familiarized with the subject and know very well how to explain this
IG Blood elves : we no longer are high elves
IG High elves : we aren't blood elves
IRL anti helf on MMO-CHAMPION: BUT BLOOD ELVES ARE HIGH ELVES PLS
That's hilarious
"If you want to play alongside High and Void elves, the Alliance is waiting for you"
That's a cute strawman you did there.
However, you seem to confuse when someone refers to race as a gameplay term and race as different races.
No dude, no one actually believes in their internal being that High elves are a completely different epistemologically-wise race from Blood elves.
But on gameplay terms (thing that you seem very confused with) they would be, since they would be another race choice, do you understand that?
i don't, they are the same race, proved many times already, even the other pro-elves recognize that and try to work around it
in gameplay terms they are the same race still, don't know where you are getting they aren'tNo dude, no one actually believes in their internal being that High elves are a completely different epistemologically-wise race from Blood elves.
But on gameplay terms (thing that you seem very confused with) they would be, since they would be another race choice, do you understand that?
and if i remember right, you said you would stop quoting and answering me, what happened with that?
You have actively ignored why this doesn't make sense.
Well, for anyone else who is willing to open their minds, I'm gonna give a direct reasoning for why this doesn't make sense:
'Blood elves are our High elves' was a phrase uttered by Chris Metzen at an interview made soon after the announcing of The Burning Crusade. This phrase was directed at the new gameplay addition in the form of a new race for players to choose, and it was said in reference to OTHER FANTASY UNIVERSES, SINCE 'HIGH ELF' IS A COMMON RACE IN MANY FANTASY UNIVERSES (Fucking obviously).
So, why is the way Strippling and others put it, wrong? Because Blood elves, and High elves, aren't the same people as in-lore, and the context of the phrasing was around a time where no single High Elf-like option existed for players to choose from while a new one have been recently announced.
That phrase was never said in reference to the High elves that still call themselves High elves in the Warcraft lore, but in reference to the High elves that call themselves Blood elves in the warcraft universe as a brand new playable option.
Guess what: High elves are also their High elves. Since High elves are, DUH, HIGH ELVES.
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Have you READ what I WROTE?in gameplay terms they are the same race still, don't know where you are getting they aren't
It's literally more than 2/3 of the phrase, it's pretty obvious you are ignoring reality and not using judgement to say things.But on gameplay terms (thing that you seem very confused with) they would be, since they would be another race choice, do you understand that?
Do you mind that much? I can't fathom see you utter such nonsense.and if i remember right, you said you would stop quoting and answering me, what happened with that?
But they are high elves. They identify as such, and don't identify as blood elves.
Argue as much as you'd like, but it's an inescapable fact: high elves and blood elves are separate groups. Which is why saying "high elves are playable" is wrong.
I also play as a human when I log into my Kul'Tiran druid. I also play as a human when I log into my worgen warlock.Meaningless to who? who said that? your race is human, you play one, troll is a race you play one, they all come from somewhere.
Yes, its their race, they don't need to identify with the other group
i never said they are the same group, i said they are the same raceArgue as much as you'd like, but it's an inescapable fact: high elves and blood elves are separate groups.
If blood elves are high elves, and blood elves are playable, high elves are playable. The high elf Race is playable, the alliance group of high elves is not, indeed.Which is why saying "high elves are playable" is wrong.
you play a kul'tiran human, a subrace of humans, you play as a cursed werewolf , who can turn into human. Both totally different thematic and physicallyI also play as a human when I log into my Kul'Tiran druid. I also play as a human when I log into my worgen warlock
"They would be" =/= They are
You are implying something as true with your own accord, based on something who might happens if everything goes with your way, hum.
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You were accusing others of playing with semantics mere hours ago, my dude.
Caption this: New playable option, High elves, then what would that be? Another race choice as per gameplay terms are concerned.
It's straightforward logic, you don't even have to think, come on.
"If you want to play alongside High and Void elves, the Alliance is waiting for you"
there is no contradiction since what the fictional individuals consider themselves doesn't matter in this meta discussion
your logic of they being different races in gameplay is a wishful thinking and projection future of they being playable first, so they will be considered different race in gameplay after that? with that reach i think you can touch Netuno
Like dude,
>"they are different in gameplay"
why?
>"because when they become playable they will be another raceunder another race choice"
thats like counting with the chicken eggs inside the duck
It does
Different people in different factions in a two-faction game, how in actual actuality does that not matter?
Ok, aside from the useless and nonsensical attacks you made in the bolded part, how the hell is what I said wrong?your logic of they being different races in gameplay is a wishful thinking and projection future of they being playable first, so they will be considered different race in gameplay after that? with that reach i think you can touch Netuno
What is a playable option? A race.
Are Kul'tirans a different race from Humans? Nope. Are they a different race from Worgen? Lore also says no.
What are they? Different 'race' options.
I'm sorry the game has this kind of nomenclature that confuses you this much, but that doesn't mean we have to accept your personal view of it just because you can't understand it.
Wat.thats like counting with the chicken eggs inside the duck
Again, the fictional characters don't have meta knowledge, they don't know what we do, and we know what the lore and devs tell us
always baitingOk, aside from the useless and nonsensical attacks
Yes, they are, they are a different subraceAre Kul'tirans a different race from Humans? Nope.
yes? worgens are werewolvesAre they a different race from Worgen? Lore also says no.
your point still is projecting and wishful thinking, you think they are a different race in gameplay because when they become playable they will be treated that way, except, they will not become playable thus, they will not be a "different race in gameplay" you talk about.I'm sorry the game has this kind of nomenclature that confuses you this much, but that doesn't mean we have to accept your personal view of it just because you can't understand it.
you are counting with something who is not even a thing
and again you can just do what you said you were going to do and stop quoting me
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I see this is your new phrase to throw when you don't want to reason about the matter. It's not that deep bro.
You have evaded the question, Syegfry, how two different people in different factions in a two-faction game doesn't matter?
What?always baiting
Who is playing with semantics here, Syegfry?Yes, they are, they are a different subrace
It's druidic magic, Syegfry, they can control the transformation and their children are born as humans.yes? worgens are werewolves
What is more wishful thinking than saying that because something you don't like is not in some way now it will never be because it's not that way now?your point still is projecting and wishful thinking, you think they are a different race in gameplay because when they become playable they will be treated that way, except, they will not become playable thus, they will not be a "different race in gameplay" you talk about.
Please, read twice what you wrote, it makes no sense. A playable option is a 'race option' as per gameplay terminology is concerned, Syegfry, and that will ever forever be true no matter if something is actual or if it's hypothetical.
The fact that you deny things so in your face just to be contrarian while telling others that they are having fails in their judgement because they have an 'evil agenda' actually seems like projecting, my fine dude.
Are playable options being called 'race' not a thing? Why do you make such a problem over such tiny thing?you are counting with something who is not even a thing
I had my reasons to put you on the ignore list, and these reasons have been corroborated again by your recent revisiting of the thread, but I will give it some time since I'm enjoying this easy exchange, it's in my hand after all, but if you say the magical word, I might heed your wishes and stop bothering you with these kind of messages that do nothing but expose your flaws in logic.and again you can just do what you said you were going to do and stop quoting me