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    Quote Originally Posted by Katchii View Post
    Unanimous means everyone wants it, that is objectively false in this case.
    By using this thread, you're counting people who are not Void Elf fans. I said among Void Elf fans it's unanimous.

    Not sure the reason for being a pedant about it though. But whatever floats your boat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katchii View Post
    Except it's not asked for unanimously, as evidenced from the fact that this thread exists...not everyone has asked for this and there are people who are even against the idea. Therefore, it's not unanimous.
    Yeah, this is true.

    Just to support this argument, the conversation this quote comes form was discussing the rewrite of classic wood elf lore (such as Tolkien) into the Night Elves, and how how classic High Elves would get a facelift someday too.

    https://www.lby3.com/2005/10/29/bliz...e-of-warcraft/

    Not supporting the Blood Elf vs High Elf debate here, just providing context for this quote from Metzen.
    No, not once the phrase 'Blood elves are our High elves' appear on that link.

    That comes from here:

    I hope the timestamp works correctly but it's in 6:38.

    There you see Chris Metzen talking about the High elves as how other fantasy worlds portray them, and then explain that they wanted to do something extra to it, and then explain that Blood elves are their High elves. Then he adds more about how the Blood elves are and all that, placing enphasis on a comparison with the concept 'High elf' as how fantasy worlds generally portrays them.

    He is talking about the new addition to the game, the playable option 'Blood elf'. High elves as per people that are High elves and still call themselves High elves still exist in the warcraft universe, so the way @Strippling tries to portray it is not only wrong, but deceiving (it depends on how honest he is about it ).

    So yeah, that's the thing.

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    How fucken hilarious.

    Taliesin & Evital made a video basically saying all the same points I've been saying about increased customizations when he talks about the system itself as well as dwarves/trolls (also as well as what High Elf fans have been saying too during that little segment).

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    Just roll a velf, put on a hoodie if the purple is too much for you and RP as a high elf
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pennem View Post
    How fucken hilarious.

    Taliesin & Evital made a video basically saying all the same points I've been saying about increased customizations when he talks about the system itself as well as dwarves/trolls (also as well as what High Elf fans have been saying too during that little segment).

    Taliesin and Evitel are some of my favourite wow content creators, with an optimism and joy for the game lacking in a lot of other commentators on the product. However that does not mean their analyses are beyond reproach or criticism. His 'why high elves should be an allied race' video entirely skipped over any discussion of the main reason as to why they were actually passed over, the impact they would have on faction diversity and as such reached a flawed conclusion, as any conclusion would be if you skipped over a large part of what informed the decision making process.

    This video isn't as flawed as his high elf discussion but it does highlight a problem with his methodology when it comes to making speculative videos such as these, as we saw in the previous class skins video and tinker videos he did. It's the same flaw inherent in your own reasoning. An assumption, with no evidence, that what Blizzard have hinted at means that all previous assumptions can be disregarded.

    For example, he speculates that the Forsaken could get undead options of every race. That isn't going to happen of course and I reckon he knows it isn't going to happen, but that is why some speculation shouldn't be treated as based on hard fact or a strong feeling that it is going to happen. Some speculation is just for fun, to tease an idea, which is what for the most part he is doing here. However many of the options he talks about are fine, even Night Elves having undead skin tones could be considered plausible in light of recent events and because the Horde can't make, nor should the Horde be allowed to make, undead Night Elves (which you can make on the Alliance anyway as a Night Elf death knight).

    What I do find funny is his high elf commentary, where he recognises the easiest way to add a high elf 'option' to the game is just to give Blood Elves a blue eyes customisation. I find it funny because if all that stands between him and a recognition that a high elf option is in the game is an eye colour, that he is basing his dissent from Blizzard's stated fact 'that Blood Elves are our High Elves' on what will ultimately be two or three options among eleven or twelve under the fifth or sixth category of Blood Elven customisation. He recognises the one reason Blizzard wouldn't give Blood Elves blue eyes as well, pissing off the pro high elf fanbase, so it's not an objection of lore but an objection based on taking the feelings of those who want the exiles into account. Frankly if I were Blizzard I'd prioritise people actually playing Blood Elves and what they want added because Blood Elves are an actually playable race. And we know what they think of the pro High Elf communities requests, given the level of snark Ion delievered the 2018 answer with.

    And nothing that Taliesin says deals with the fundamental problem with your current idea, your current idea attempting to build a one size fits all system wherein everything for everyone is justified, the problem being that it is a common sense if an option is available to a current or existing race, then it's not going to be added to their allied/core race counterpart because that would undermine the differentiation between the two groups that currently exists.
    It is more than possible to offer all races, whether core or allied, plentiful new customisation options without rendering existing distinctions pointless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pennem View Post
    Likewise, I have never argued that we will see Dark Iron options on Bronzebeards, or Mag'har getting green skin. Those examples don't work in the context of Void Elf/Blood Elf comparison anyway because those options all exist on the same faction.
    And this. This is it.

    The logic of your idea leads towards the divisions between core races and their associated allied races being demolished, but here you identity the real motivation as you attempt to disown the logical outcome of your suggestions on the other allied races. The one true difference between the Blood Elves and the exiles. The one that the pro High Elf community has attempted to obfuscate, downplay or deny in favour of narratives that the exiles are more heroic, or purer, or have a celtic woodland theme, or are rugged and muscular compared to the weedy magic users, but here we have it in black and white as typed by yourself.

    What really matters is that the Blood Elf aesthetic exists on the Horde and Alliance players would have to be Horde to access it.

    They spent all Blizzcon attempting to hammer this fact home but the faction system matters and faction diversity is an important component of that system. The division between Horde and Alliance is a pillar of the Warcraft franchise. And it's now clear what you see this increased customization pass as, a way to get around Ion's stated objection that if you want to play a traditional elf, the Horde is waiting for you. It's an attempt to circumvent the reasoning that led to the creation of the Void Elves in the first place by pretending that the rationale that led to the creation of the Void Elves no longer matters. If they ever intended to give high elves to the Alliance, they would have just given high elves to the Alliance.

    At least you've admitted it here, we can dispense with all the other discussion because your stance on this particular matter is supremely easy to summarise. Void Elves should get the Blood Elf skin tone range because otherwise you'd have to play Horde.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Obelisk Kai View Post
    Frankly if I were Blizzard I'd prioritise people actually playing Blood Elves and what they want added because Blood Elves are an actually playable race. And we know what they think of the pro High Elf communities requests, given the level of snark Ion delievered the 2018 answer with.


    Luckily you are not blizzard lol

    They can no longer afford to shit (especially with the alliance).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Obelisk Kai View Post
    His 'why high elves should be an allied race' video entirely skipped over any discussion of the main reason as to why they were actually passed over, the impact they would have on faction diversity and as such reached a flawed conclusion, as any conclusion would be if you skipped over a large part of what informed the decision making process.
    Because it's not your conclusion.

    This video isn't as flawed as his high elf discussion but it does highlight a problem with his methodology when it comes to making speculative videos such as these, as we saw in the previous class skins video and tinker videos he did.
    Because it's not your methodology.

    For example, he speculates that the Forsaken could get undead options of every race. That isn't going to happen of course and I reckon he knows it isn't going to happen, but that is why some speculation shouldn't be treated as based on hard fact or a strong feeling that it is going to happen. Some speculation is just for fun, to tease an idea, which is what for the most part he is doing here.
    Because it's not your speculation.

    What I do find funny is his high elf commentary, where he recognises the easiest way to add a high elf 'option' to the game is just to give Blood Elves a blue eyes customisation.
    What is funny is that you don't stare for a moment in front of a phrase that isn't true and don't question it because it's something you would have said, but very veiled, and not in the humoristic tone the T&E channel has because you are obsessed with looking serious.

    I find it funny because if all that stands between him and a recognition that a high elf option is in the game is an eye colour, that he is basing his dissent from Blizzard's stated fact 'that Blood Elves are our High Elves' on what will ultimately be two or three options among eleven or twelve under the fifth or sixth category of Blood Elven customisation.
    If at this point you haven't understood that a blue eyed Blood elf is not a High elf (as per the name of the group, obviously, not everyone needs to be constantly reminded of the fact ) then there's nothing actually important that you have to say about it, just more useless fluff as per usual.

    And no, 'Blood Elves are our High Elves' does not mean what you think it means, maybe revisit the source and try to look at it without critical clutter

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    Quote Originally Posted by Obelisk Kai View Post
    T&E video discussion
    The whole point is he said the exact same things about Dwarves/Trolls customization as I said. He also said what the High Elf fanbase have been saying forever, when people talk about "wanting to play a High Elf" they are asking for a very specific group of elves.

    That he has enough of a mind to understand this and not garble the ignorant "you just wanna play Blood Elves" is a win in my book since he represents a higher authority within the general WoW community and has influence over a larger portion of the playerbase.

    Win imo to High Elf fans.
    Quote Originally Posted by Obelisk Kai View Post
    At least you've admitted it here, we can dispense with all the other discussion because your stance on this particular matter is supremely easy to summarise. Void Elves should get the Blood Elf skin tone range because otherwise you'd have to play Horde.
    LMAO, so because I bring up an obvious point: Playing a Void Elf is very different from playing a Blood Elf compared to playing the Dwarves/Orcs, then all discussion doesn't matter?

    What does that even have to do with showing you Ion's stated goal on what increased customizations are and how they're about looking different from others playing the exact same race? A rhetorical question, it's nothing.

    I'll take this as another win too, as you appear to not be able to handle arguing against what the stated design goals of the increased customization are and latching onto points I've never stated.

    I think it's hilarious that you think you've revealed some truth or something. What I said about Dwarves and Orcs holds true vs Void Elves/Blood Elves(and the other 2 elves). You don't gain a sense of what all elves are about just by playing 1 vs you get the sense of what all Dwarves/Orcs are about regardless of which one you choose.

    Another win for me, thank you for conceding!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frenchvince View Post
    Luckily you are not blizzard lol
    Exactly. Yet he often types in a way which he thinks he is.

    But as T&E video points out. It's much more likely the general player mindset is the same. Most of the playerbase understands what High Elf fans want when they ask for High Elves, a specific group of elves that are part of the boys in blue faction.

    He also points out what most people know too: putting blue eyes on Blood Elves is ofc the easiest way for Blizzard to say "there's your high elf option" but it actually does nothing for the fans who have been asking for playable High Elves as they're asking for that very specific group of elves.

    It's good to see that sentiment because T&E's content is generally dedicated to the more larger/wider casual playerbase audience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pennem View Post

    But as T&E video points out. It's much more likely the general player mindset is the same. Most of the playerbase understands what High Elf fans want when they ask for High Elves, a specific group of elves that are part of the boys in blue faction.

    He also points out what most people know too: putting blue eyes on Blood Elves is ofc the easiest way for Blizzard to say "there's your high elf option" but it actually does nothing for the fans who have been asking for playable High Elves as they're asking for that very specific group of elves.

    It's good to see that sentiment because T&E's content is generally dedicated to the more larger/wider casual playerbase audience.
    General playerbase does not understand anything about what high elf fans wants, I don't think most of them know what high elves are or what is the difference between belf and helf. . General playerbase only thinks that it's just another belf reskin.
    Source - random guy with a bunch of wow playing friends bored to death in this lockdown.

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    it's actually very sad.

    High Elves were demanded since forever but people got Void Elves instead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pennem View Post
    The whole point is he said the exact same things about Dwarves/Trolls customization as I said. He also said what the High Elf fanbase have been saying forever, when people talk about "wanting to play a High Elf" they are asking for a very specific group of elves.

    That he has enough of a mind to understand this and not garble the ignorant "you just wanna play Blood Elves" is a win in my book since he represents a higher authority within the general WoW community and has influence over a larger portion of the playerbase.

    Win imo to High Elf fans.
    Taliesin and Evitel are a higher authority within the general WoW community and therefore their opinion counts as a win? Don't get me wrong I find them hugely entertaining but they are often wrong and some of their speculation is clearly just for the fun of it rather than a serious prediction. And they are not an authority. The use of the term 'authority' was done by yourself to inflate this 'win' you think you've gotten.

    The last 'massive win' you had on that score was his April 2018 video which ended up backing high elves as an Allied race which as I recall was posted everywhere by pro high elfers. Funny thing is your 'higher authority' was undermined at the end of the month by an actual authority. If this is your latest huge win, then based on precedent we will have alpha imminently and blue eyes for Blood Elves confirmed within hours of the first datamined build.

    You do just want to play Blood Elves. A Blood Elf is indistinguishable from a High Elf except for their political opinion which is expressed as faction preference. If that were not the case, the Alliance loyal thalassian elves the Alliance did end up getting, the Void Elves, would have been enough (and as one of the most popular allied races clearly were enough for tens of thousands of players).

    Quote Originally Posted by Pennem View Post
    LMAO, so because I bring up an obvious point: Playing a Void Elf is very different from playing a Blood Elf compared to playing the Dwarves/Orcs, then all discussion doesn't matter?

    What does that even have to do with showing you Ion's stated goal on what increased customizations are and how they're about looking different from others playing the exact same race? A rhetorical question, it's nothing.

    I'll take this as another win too, as you appear to not be able to handle arguing against what the stated design goals of the increased customization are and latching onto points I've never stated.

    I think it's hilarious that you think you've revealed some truth or something. What I said about Dwarves and Orcs holds true vs Void Elves/Blood Elves(and the other 2 elves). You don't gain a sense of what all elves are about just by playing 1 vs you get the sense of what all Dwarves/Orcs are about regardless of which one you choose.

    Another win for me, thank you for conceding!
    There is no win for you. There is never a win for you. There is probably never going to be a win for you. A win for you is an Alliance high elf allied or core race with a distinct introduction, racials and a recognised place within the Alliance. We are currently arguing over the dregs of this discussion, whether Blizzard will add pretend high elf options to void elves so that your void elf can look like an ersatz high elf. Frankly if you want to make this about winning or losing then my side of the argument won the moment they introduced Void Elves and we're wrangling over whether there should be a consolation prize.

    You rejected the logical outcome of what you were arguing, that if the aesthetic differentiation between a Core race and it's associated allied race was removed for one pairing, then why not for all other pairings because you cited the one difference between the other pairings and the Blood/Void Elf (and Night Elf/Nightborne) scenarios, namely that these pairs are separated by the faction wall.

    What is amazing about your logic is that you are actually arguing that because the Orc pair, the Draenei pair and Dwarf pair are on the same faction then they wouldn't need to get the aesthetic of their counterpart because that option is already available but that the faction barrier, by it's existence, facilitates the Void Elves getting access to the Blood Elf skin tone range because otherwise Alliance players couldn't access it.

    The same faction wall that precluded Blizzard from giving high elves to the Alliance in the first place because it would blur the lines between the factions. The same faction wall Blizzard cited as hugely important as recently as last Blizzcon when they again and again reaffirmed the importance of keeping both sides separate.

    The same faction wall that actually led to you getting Void Elves in other words is somehow, through a complete inversion of their stated reasoning on this matter so far, going to be a positive factor in Void Elves getting high elf skins when their customization pass comes. And you came to this conclusion because Dwarves are getting Wildhammer skins and Trolls are getting Farakki skins?

    That's just nonsense.


    Quote Originally Posted by Pennem View Post
    Exactly. Yet he often types in a way which he thinks he is.

    But as T&E video points out. It's much more likely the general player mindset is the same. Most of the playerbase understands what High Elf fans want when they ask for High Elves, a specific group of elves that are part of the boys in blue faction.

    He also points out what most people know too: putting blue eyes on Blood Elves is ofc the easiest way for Blizzard to say "there's your high elf option" but it actually does nothing for the fans who have been asking for playable High Elves as they're asking for that very specific group of elves.

    It's good to see that sentiment because T&E's content is generally dedicated to the more larger/wider casual playerbase audience.
    Please spare me the strawman attack of 'he thinks he's a developer, he's so arrogant, he can't see the truth'. That implies the pro High Elf community has a respect for what the actual developers say. Every developer statement on this topic, including the flat out 'no' you got, was immediately pilloried (Ion was termed an idiot multiple times) or heavily reinterpreted to be even slightly more favourable.

    Everyone knows what you want. High Elves in the Alliance. The problem is you are so fixated on what you want that you refuse to engage with the truth; we don't need blue eyes on Blood Elves to have the high elf option. Blood Elves already are the high elf option in game and high elves are the exact same race as the Blood Elves.

    The Alliance was given a variant of a Horde race, a 95% match. Most Alliance players seem to be happy with what they have. But a hardcore minority does need to be appeased when their version of compromise is a 100% win.

    And on the last point of T&E's video, the one reaching out a casual playerbase, the sole mention they have of high elves is that they hope they don't add them because the obvious way to add them is to give Blood Elves blue eyes and that it would upset the pro high elf people, admitting in a few sentences that 1.) The 'casual' playerbase sees high elves as blue eyed blood elves 2.) The only tangible physical difference between the exiles and the Blood Elves would be eliminated by the addition of an eye shade and 3.) the reason they gave for not adding them was to not upset people who want to play high elves rather than a real objection as to why it would damage the game.

    Not the best 'win'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Obelisk Kai View Post
    You do just want to play Blood Elves.
    Comments like these are exactly why that video is a win. As they succinctly describe what it is the High Elf fans want. And that's good because as a higher authority in the community (and yes they do have higher authority than you or me or any rando player, accept that reality) it's something the WoW designers can take further stock of on the topic.

    That you continue to ignorantly put words into other's mouth is what's not a win. There's already an available option to play a Blood Elf in the game, if what you're saying is what really is the case then "High Elf fans wanting to play High Elves" wouldn't even be a thing. It wouldn't be a "long-known requested option" as put in the T&E video. We have Blood Elves for how many years now? How can something stay as a long-requested if purportedly "people just wanna play Blood Elves"?

    People would simply play Blood Elves and that'd be it. Just like people want player housing still despite Ion stating Garrisons "are our version of player housing". Continuing to stay ignorant about it and say "no you don't actually want what you're saying, you actually want this instead" just makes you look foolish instead.

    Quote Originally Posted by Obelisk Kai View Post
    You rejected the logical outcome of what you were arguing, that if the aesthetic differentiation between a Core race and it's associated allied race was removed for one pairing, then why not for all other pairings because you cited the one difference between the other pairings and the Blood/Void Elf (and Night Elf/Nightborne) scenarios, namely that these pairs are separated by the faction wall.
    This doesn't even make sense to me and doesn't sound like what I was arguing at all. Nice strawman.
    Quote Originally Posted by Obelisk Kai View Post
    What is amazing about your logic is that you are actually arguing that because the Orc pair, the Draenei pair and Dwarf pair are on the same faction then they wouldn't need to get the aesthetic of their counterpart because that option is already available but that the faction barrier, by it's existence, facilitates the Void Elves getting access to the Blood Elf skin tone range because otherwise Alliance players couldn't access it.
    Yes, and I don't see how this doesn't make sense. It would be like if one of the customization options added in the future puts a Goblin onto the Alliance with customization options not available with Horde Goblins.

    Now a Goblin player cannot simply play Horde Goblins to have access to all their looks, they must upend their guilds/groups etc if they wanted to access options for Goblins exclusive to Alliance side.

    How does that not make sense? Why wouldn't the Horde player request access to similar options so they can stay on the faction they have pride in if faction has such importance?

    Orc, Tauren, Troll, Draenei, Dwarf, Gnome players all do not have to leave their faction to get access to all race customizations for their given faction. There is no need at all for Green Orcs to get Mag'har customization because both options are available already to Horde. There is no need for Dark Iron options on Dwarves because both options are available already for Alliance.

    The Elves are an exception. And it should be obvious by now that Night Elf players have been wishing for more Highborne customizations (customizations that basically the Nightborne have). Why are they asking for it? Because those customization options are not available to Night Elves on Alliance side.

    Are you still having trouble understanding this? You seem to be struggling with it. This is why your "do you expect Mag'har to get Green Orc customization" does not make sense. It is already there, on the same side. Is that how it is for Void Elves/Blood Elves?

    Blood Elf players are wanting beard options available to Void Elf players since those were revealed, are you going around adamantly telling them to go play a Void Elf to have beards on Blood Elves? Should Blood Elf players not ask for more beard options for males because that's already a thing on Void Elves? That's how stupid your argument sounds because that would be the logical conclusion for it.

    I think it's hilarious how you try to put great importance on "factions matter" then at the same time try to minimize it "oh just go play on the other side".

    Quote Originally Posted by Obelisk Kai View Post
    The same faction wall that actually led to you getting Void Elves in other words is somehow, through a complete inversion of their stated reasoning on this matter so far, going to be a positive factor in Void Elves getting high elf skins when their customization pass comes. And you came to this conclusion because Dwarves are getting Wildhammer skins and Trolls are getting Farakki skins?

    That's just nonsense.
    You must be nonsensical then because you've repeatedly stated that you agree it's possible for Void Elves to get "high elf like" options. How does Darkspear Trolls getting skins of different troll tribes not support that? A jungle troll would be very different from a sand troll, just as Kul'Tirans were made "seafaring specialty humans" and thus have racials tied to it. Only here with increased customizations Blizzard are just throwing out racials mattering since sand trolls will be an increased customization over being an Allied Race (despite the potential to be one in the same vein as a Kul'Tiran/HMT/LFD).


    Quote Originally Posted by Obelisk Kai View Post
    That implies the pro High Elf community has a respect for what the actual developers say.
    They do, hence why the arguments and reasonings have taken the developer comments into account. I mean really you have admitted to watching both videos from T&E that contain High Elf bits where these arguments and reasonings take into account developer comments in a very succinct manner. I am not sure what else you are looking for.

    Are you just looking for people to accept it is whatever Blizzard says without challenging it? Cuz that seems to be the case. Except it's not the first and won't be last time players challenge what Blizzard says, account-wide essences is another example, the pruned class abilities, making alts more accessible, the gcd changes, etc etc.

    There are many things that players challenge of what Blizzard says. But you seem to just be trying to side-wind your way around saying, "accept what they said and stfu and be grateful for it" as this appears to be what you're getting at.

    Quote Originally Posted by Obelisk Kai View Post
    Everyone knows what you want. High Elves in the Alliance. The problem is you are so fixated on what you want that you refuse to engage with the truth; we don't need blue eyes on Blood Elves to have the high elf option. Blood Elves already are the high elf option in game and high elves are the exact same race as the Blood Elves.
    This entire segment disregards that character customization isn't a need, but a want. One could argue we don't need increased customizations on existing races (what you are arguing essentially) and that focus should go to adding new races currently not available. Increased customizations throw out the "we don't need" bit. It's what people want. It's what people have wanted for a long time, and now they're finally getting it.

    High Elves are another thing people have wanted for a long time, still remains to be seen if they get.

    Quote Originally Posted by Obelisk Kai View Post
    And on the last point of T&E's video, the one reaching out a casual playerbase, the sole mention they have of high elves is that they hope they don't add them because the obvious way to add them is to give Blood Elves blue eyes and that it would upset the pro high elf people, admitting in a few sentences that 1.) The 'casual' playerbase sees high elves as blue eyed blood elves 2.) The only tangible physical difference between the exiles and the Blood Elves would be eliminated by the addition of an eye shade and 3.) the reason they gave for not adding them was to not upset people who want to play high elves rather than a real objection as to why it would damage the game.

    Not the best 'win'.
    He states "it would be the simplest thing for Blizzard to do" which is true and is what everyone accepts: putting Blue eyes on Blood Elves then going around to herald 'see high elves now'. It would be no different than if Blizzard decided to put brown skins on green orcs and say 'there now you have mag'har' or put spotty green skins with an upright option onto darkspear and say 'there's your zandalari'. I'm highly confident the fans of Mag'har or Zandalari would be upset if that was a case for them as well.

    It in no way means "the casual playerbase accepts these as mag'har and zandalari". It just means Blizzard took the laziest route they could and did not care for what those fans wanted.

    Same as we're seeing them give us 100% right now for kicks, do you think they're doing this just because "it helps to bring the game to a better state and not damage it"? No, it's because it provides an incentive to help with social isolation. Has nothing to do with being better or worse for the game.

    Just like if they do add blue eyes to Blood Elves and then say "this is your high elves that's it". Except they've stated High Elves are a possibility on Alliance so I don't believe it matters whether blue eyes come to Blood Elves. It only changes if as I said, they then proclaim "we decided this is how we're going to handle high elves."

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    Quote Originally Posted by DemonHunter18 View Post
    it's actually very sad.

    High Elves were demanded since forever but people got Void Elves instead.
    It's as if devs are out of touch or something, isn't it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Obelisk Kai View Post
    There is no win for you. There is never a win for you. There is probably never going to be a win for you. A win for you is an Alliance high elf allied or core race with a distinct introduction, racials and a recognised place within the Alliance.
    I'm sorry to say but this sounds too petty, even for previous standards.

    You don't get to say what others consider a win, my fine dude, because in actual actuality, you are just another random, don't forget that, stop behaving like some sort of authority.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aldo Hawk View Post
    Yeah, this is true.


    No, not once the phrase 'Blood elves are our High elves' appear on that link.
    Never said it did, was just pointing out where the argument was coming from. How The WoW Blood Elves were somewhat designed to fit the classic fantasy role of the "High Elf."

    Not getting into the whole Blood Elf vs High Elf playable race thing. There's enough lore to support them being added, and that's about where I stand on it...whether they get added or not, I don't care.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katchii View Post
    Never said it did, was just pointing out where the argument was coming from. How The WoW Blood Elves were somewhat designed to fit the classic fantasy role of the "High Elf."
    Fair enough.

    Not getting into the whole Blood Elf vs High Elf playable race thing. There's enough lore to support them being added, and that's about where I stand on it...whether they get added or not, I don't care.
    Me neither somewhat, I tried to level an alliance character the past 4 months and I didn't went over level 70 something if I remember well, because I can't even remember, and it was a death knight.

    I only want this because it's part of the classical lore of Warcraft, and players can't access that part of the Alliance.

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    You know, you people are really kind of zealous and hostile over getting to be a fictional race in your video game, and, worse, not wanting people to get to be their fictional race in a video game.

    We're in an era of severe moral decay and social upheaval, with numerous topics for realistic conversation. Perhaps you could find something more productive to argue about?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arenchac of Suramar View Post
    You know, you people are really kind of zealous and hostile over getting to be a fictional race in your video game, and, worse, not wanting people to get to be their fictional race in a video game.
    You aren't actually adressing any problem, just saying that we are all hostile for no real reason whatsoever over the topic. There's a reason why the discussion can't exist in a normal, healthy way, since the existence of it is more than enough for those in favor to try to be heard again and again over time, while the other side's intention is to derail and destroy all topics on all forums to cause the other side to not have a public voice, that's why this discussion has gotten so disgusting and toxic.

    We're in an era of severe moral decay and social upheaval, with numerous topics for realistic conversation. Perhaps you could find something more productive to argue about?
    What makes you think this topic is the only thing that, for example I, talk about?

    I can't be bothered with the sickness of the west all day, but sadly, it's everywhere, everyday.

  18. #14878
    This is the week people. The week the high elf agenda dies with the reveal of blue eyes for belves once alpha datamining begins. Rejoice!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varx View Post
    This is the week people. The week the high elf agenda dies with the reveal of blue eyes for belves once alpha datamining begins. Rejoice!
    You're dreaming right ?

    Even if Blizzard is dumb enough to give Blood Elves blue eyes, it wouldn't kill the High Elves allied race potentiality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Manariel View Post
    Even if Blizzard is dumb enough to give Blood Elves blue eyes, it wouldn't kill the High Elves allied race potentiality.
    Also that after the new eye changes High Elves carry eyes closer to that of regular humans. So they can get the various colors open to humans, unlike Blood Elves whose eyeballs are dictated by magical energies.

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