Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[Varodoc]

I think if you are a blood elf fanboy and you want to criticise the Alliance you should just go the boring route and talk about Garithos or the Purge of Dalaran.

[Ielenia]

Which is why they've literally written that the Alliance has won EVERY major entanglement with the Horde during World of Warcraft.

Siege of Orgrimmar? Alliance.
Stormheim? Alliance.
Arathi Basin? Alliance.
Darkshore? Alliance.
Battle for Dazar'Alor? Alliance.

Oh, you mean all those battles that had zero gameplay influence? All those battles in which we did not see, and will never see the conclusion of, or its consequences?

What did the Alliance get out of Siege of Orgrimmar? Nothing. Orgrimmar still stands pristine and clean as if it never happened.
What did the Alliance get out of Stormheim? Nothing. The Alliance gained nothing from it.
What did the Alliance get out of Arathi Basin? Nothing. The Alliance gained nothing from it.
What did the Alliance get out of Darkshore? Nothing. The zone is still in ruins and it'll forever cycle back-and-forth between Horde and Alliance.
What did the Alliance get out of Battle of Dazar'Alor? Nothing. The zone still stands pristine and clean as if it never happened.

All that you mentioned over there were background victories. That we were told by developers on Twitter or in books, or, at best, passing mentions in a quest.

If the whole of Warcraft was a story, the Horde would be the main protagonist, and the Alliance would be the supporting character that exists in the story to mostly prop up the protagonist.

Also, the Alliance gets ALL of the OP characters. Any time the Horde gets one, they're mocked relentlessly as being unbelievable Mary Sues (Thrall, Sylvannas) when the Alliance LITERALLY HAS MALFURION STEWRAGE, JAINA SUEMORE, AND TYRANDE WHISPERSUE.

Malfurion? Pimp-slapped around by Sylvanas, then fell when his back got caressed by an axe.
Jaina? All her alleged "OP-ness" amounted to nothing useful other than floating a boat and freezing a poison mist.
Tyrande? All her alleged "goddess-blessed OP-ness" and still could barely hold her own against a simple hunter empowered by a single val'kyr.

Yeah... super OP characters.

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Which just shows it was never about "lore", it was always about an aesthetic.

Oh, look at you, being wrong again, despite the many times you've been told you're wrong.

Would it really hurt that much to engage in honest conversation, and not make such blatant strawman of people's positions?

[FlubberPuddy]

wowhead have posted in a hurry, they're not sure it's all blood elf eyes options for gamers.

I don't think Blizzard wants them to get the Void Elf Eye option.




We must wait for the update of the character creation in the alpha.

People are ignoring this but it's exactly as I said.

They implanted Void Elf Eyes onto Blood Elves? I'm not sure Blizzard is planning to do that.

Especially with how vocal ~someone~ has been in the thread about preserving faction wall and faction identity.

Why would it be ok for Blood Elves to receive Void Elf customizations and then not vice versa?

[Rhlor]

the high elves were not a very popular request for some, we have proof to the contrary today, just with a post from Wowhead, it is raining threads of all kinds on the official forum.

It will end in a BG pro HE vs anti HE.

many racist people in wowhead

[Gurmech]

I will toss you HE fans a bone and point out that the blue eyes are unique in that they, and they alone, do not appear in heterochromatic variants with the other eyes.

[Rhlor]

You anti-Helf really are dense, it's impressive.

OF COUSE IT'S ALL POLITICAL !

Is it clear enough here ?

Yes, the blood elves are physiologically the same, but they are disgusting, pathetic, little pieces of shit ! My single best time in WoW is the Purge of Dalaran, were I could slaughter them again and again in the streets, because those damn rats have joined with the Horde and proved that they have an utter lack of moral and values.

I want to play the High Elves. Those who said "Fuck you" to their Kingdom when they finally realized how corrupt it was; those who were exiled because hey refused to survive at the cost of their morality. I want the High Elves. Those of the Lodges, Stormwind and the Silver Covenant. I hate the Blood Elven zone. I hate interacting with Blood Elves NPCs, who are all either corrupt or hypocritical.

But I love being around HE NPCs because of their moral compass, their values, their determination to endure, no matter what, by staying true to themselves and the morals their profess.

That's why Blood Elves aren't High Elves. Not anymore. The former are despicable when the latter are admirable.

That's really as simple as that.

so it is admirable to let children and the elderly die? to me those people who prefer to let the sick die, children and the elderly for not eating some mana wyrm seem silly to me. the blood elves saved the lives of those most in need saved the lives of children !! that's why I love them because they love their country because they take care of their people.

selama ashalanore

[Frenchvince]

The update of the high-elf female NPC model is underway in the alpha.

https://twitter.com/TheRedShirtGuy/s...93956238323719

[Manariel]

People are ignoring this but it's exactly as I said.

They implanted Void Elf Eyes onto Blood Elves? I'm not sure Blizzard is planning to do that.

Especially with how vocal ~someone~ has been in the thread about preserving faction wall and faction identity.

Why would it be ok for Blood Elves to receive Void Elf customizations and then not vice versa?

I can already guess the answer of that someone : Void Elves are just an offshoot of Blood Elves, so what they have, Blood Elves must have (like the beards). But what Blood Elves have must not cross on the other way, see ? Because "faction integrity" or something stupid like that.

Because refusing to give the Alliance something which has been a staple of its existence since at the very least WotLK (and in fact since Classic, since we did interact with a surprising number of High Elves NPC) is totally defending faction integrity. Somehow.

[FlubberPuddy]

I can already guess the answer of that someone : Void Elves are just an offshoot of Blood Elves, so what they have, Blood Elves must have (like the beards). But what Blood Elves have must not cross on the other way, see ? Because "faction integrity" or something stupid like that.

Because refusing to give the Alliance something which has been a staple of its existence since at the very least WotLK (and in fact since Classic, since we did interact with a surprising number of High Elves NPC) is totally defending faction integrity. Somehow.

What makes it also up in the air is that Blizzard utilizes file names with bloodelf for high elf npcs (because in coding it's easier to organize files that way).

I think like someone said it's better to wait until the options are applied to character creation before coming to a forgone conclusion.

They can still give Blood Elves blue eyes as some options are clearly a shade of blue Void Elves do not have, those would be the ones I see going onto Blood Elves if blue eyes are coming.

That said, I do not think they would simply implant the Void Elf eye color as an option to Blood Elves. It just opens the flood gates even more of "if they can have this option why can't we?"

And if you are someone trying to sell the idea that differences matter, the last thing you want to do is start adding things shared between two races that have the same model.

That is irrespective of whether one race is an offshoot of the other.

And as I said long before: Blizzard is not going to treat Allied Races like 2nd class citizens. Which means I do not think they would say "BE are a core race so they can pick and choose what they get but Void Elves cannot".

That's going to marginalize a large portion of players who not only play VE but those who play other AR if Blizzard comes out with that sentiment. And as people like to tout Void Elves has being a massive success, that means it would take a shit on a massive portion of the playerbase.

[Ardenaso]

It's sad that High Elves are no more, just like Broken; Oh well, at least the slot can be reserved for Lightbound Orc instead.

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Oh well, be it racist as it may be but - didn't Ion himself say "fair skinned elf - Blood Elf?"

[420 NoScope]

What is with all the new colours for Blood Elves? Is this just a shallow attempt at inclusivity and virtue signaling? Or has something been retconned with Elven physiology?

[protip]

It's sad that High Elves are no more, just like Broken; Oh well, at least the slot can be reserved for Lightbound Orc instead.

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Oh well, be it racist as it may be but - didn't Ion himself say "fair skinned elf - Blood Elf?"

He also said blond haired, among some other things. It was just one example. Certainly not all blood elves have blond hair.

[Ardenaso]

He also said blond haired, among some other things. It was just one example. Certainly not all blood elves have blond hair.

I see. Point taken.

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Also, I'd be keking so hard if Vereesa doesn't yet again get her own unique model other than just white hair

[Koryn123]

Looks like now with blue-eyed customization for BEs, Blood and High elf are identities as they always were, just that most high elves were uncorrupted (except Summoner Nolric had to have been, lorewise, as a high elf warlock trainer), and most blood elves were corrupted (but some exceptions like the blacksmith in Isle of Thunder). I can easily see high elf pilgrims to the Sunwell identifying more with their homeland than humans on the other side of the continent and would prefer to live in Quel'thalas, and joining their people. In Lor'themar's short story, he had a tizzy with Halduron I think where they said something along the lines of "they can't join unless they also join the Horde" or something like that, which would imply that they would accept blue-eyed elves who wanted to serve Quel'thalas and its interests again.

Blood Elves are elves who are still in Quel'thalas doing stuff for their people, and High Elves are elves who didn't feel any real connection to their people and didn't care when Kael'thas ordered all elves to return to Quel'thalas, and chose to remain with their human friends.

[Orby]

What is with all the new colours for Blood Elves? Is this just a shallow attempt at inclusivity and virtue signaling? Or has something been retconned with Elven physiology?

What new colours?

[420 NoScope]

What new colours?

https://www.wowhead.com/news=311958/...in-shadowlands

[Orby]

https://www.wowhead.com/news=311958/...in-shadowlands

Still not getting it, is it about the skin colour? You talking about skin colour right? Or is it the blue eyes?

If skin colour. Personally I think that's fine... its fantasy after all. And there was a dark skinned elf in lore, so this just makes it more official. I do think it can also be an attempt as inclusivity, but its done in a way that makes sense. Blood Elves, most notably the Sin'Dori have been seen to have darker skin tones.

On a side note I doubt people are going to be having an open minded discussion about this... :P

My only complaint about this is with the humans getting proper facial representation regarding diversity, they have now moved their blackface black on white bodies tone to the blood elves. make real Asian elves make real black elves, don;t give us black on white bodies like the classic black humans were. I love what they have done with representation with the humans but I want to see the same done with the elves. :P

[Ardenaso]

Still not getting it, is it about the skin colour? You talking about skin colour right? Or is it the blue eyes?

If skin colour. Personally I think that's fine... its fantasy after all. And there was a dark skinned elf in lore, so this just makes it more official. I do think it can also be an attempt as inclusivity, but its done in a way that makes sense. Blood Elves, most notably the Sin'Dori have been seen to have darker skin tones.

On a side note I doubt people are going to be having an open minded discussion about this... :P

Hmm... maybe the dark skinned elves could be redeemed Fel Elves. As long as it's not purple or blue skin I'm fine now

[Orby]

Hmm... maybe the dark skinned elves could be redeemed Fel Elves. As long as it's not purple or blue skin I'm fine now

Yup, which is why I am okay with this. I have seen some angry comments and those people gotta step back and think for a bit, I don;t think people are seeing this with an open mind.

[420 NoScope]

Still not getting it, is it about the skin colour? You talking about skin colour right? Or is it the blue eyes?

If skin colour. Personally I think that's fine... its fantasy after all. And there was a dark skinned elf in lore, so this just makes it more official. I do think it can also be an attempt as inclusivity, but its done in a way that makes sense. Blood Elves, most notably the Sin'Dori have been seen to have darker skin tones.

On a side note I doubt people are going to be having an open minded discussion about this... :P

My only complaint about this is with the humans getting proper facial representation regarding diversity, they have now moved their blackface black on white bodies tone to the blood elves. make real Asian elves make real black elves, don;t give us black on white bodies like the classic black humans were. I love what they have done with representation with the humans but I want to see the same done with the elves. :P

I'll have an open minded discussion.

The high elves are a fictional race that already have lore behind them, and how their eyes work. They have often been described as fair skinned, which tends to be quite pale, so what can change the colour of their skin is something new, or something that needs to be retconned. We have seen that skin can change because of being exposed to the void, and we have seen that exposure to fel can cause the skin to darken, this is seen with Demon Hunters.

So are the darker colours from heavy exposure to fel? Perhaps they are part human, which resulted in genetic changes?

As for your complaint, you can't have Asian elves, or other forms, because that's comparing a race that isn't real, to human standards. The elves don't develop the same way humans do. That said, you don't even have Asia in the WoW world, so having Asian humans doesn't make much sense either, humans come from the titans, but we can relate more to humans because we are human.