So all of my blood elves can have blue eyes? Very cool, i don’t even have to lvl up a fresh one! I dont like to hide helm that much but its okay
So all of my blood elves can have blue eyes? Very cool, i don’t even have to lvl up a fresh one! I dont like to hide helm that much but its okay
Of course she's not relevant.
When she freed Alexstasza, purged the Horde from a human city, battled against the Amani in Zul'Aman, was asked to act as an Ambassador by Terenas himself, defended Theramore, was there during the siege of Suramar and the fall of Gul'Dan, was there during the Siege of Orgrimmar 1 and the the Siege of Orgrimmar 2, served the Alliance interests upon the Isle of Thunder, battled the Legion on Argus while Lor'Themar was taking care of his hairs she wasn't relevant at all.
Remember, she's more relevant than more of 90% of both the current Horde leadership and the blood elf one.
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"If you want to play alongside High and Void elves, the Alliance is waiting for you"
In a franchise with dozens of prominent characters and dozens of lenses through which to view those characters (affiliation with particular player races or fraction groupings), I think it's impossible to control how players respond to those characters. For example, I see Lor'themar as a fundamentally good man who did his best in a terrible situation which inevitably came with some mistakes (mind-controlling citizenry, even if it wasn't his idea, he oversaw it). However, others, it seems, see him as a weak and spiteful man who refuses to accept help he doesn't deserve (Zul'Aman Cata) and who acted as Kael'thas' puppet. Inversely, I don't like Tyrande and Malfurion, but they are some people's favourite characters. I think all the characters I mentioned are ideally in Blizzard's eyes meant to be seen as heroic when viewing the fullness of their character journeys. But people, including myself, will latch on to certain things they may have done that affects their favourite groups in negative ways and struggle to get past that. It's an Azerothian equivalent to the old "one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter" adage.
I think that's a fair assessment of the SC's likely membership.
I'd love to see more Alliance corruption. But, Blizz seems to struggle with adding grey to blue. Personally, with BfA's story I would have thrust Sylvanas into the accidental anti-hero role making the Alliance the aggressors with Genn controlling Anduin, but we play the cards we are dealt.
You never know, but I wouldn't hold your breath for Alleria-looking "void elves". Pinky, blotchy with some more natural hair colours though? Perhaps.
Fair enough. It may have felt like karma, but if you're going to relish in the Purge, I think it's difficult to frame it in any way other than, "An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.". And in most civilised societies, we've moved past that form of "justice".
Members of the Sunreavers - who were not acting as representatives of the organisation - played a part in killing hundreds or even thousands of non-combatants and in turn the Alliance, largely through the Silver Covenant, started killing non-combatants in response when they resisted expulsion from their homes and livelihoods. No one looked good in that whole affair.
I don't believe the Void Elves actually need further clarification that they can turn other elves into Void Elves. There has been a substantial debate about this before over Danuser's previous comments on the matter and the in game representation of Void Elves not lining up with the initial tiny group of Mage researchers who triggered the transformation. Even the presence of High Elf Wayfarers and Blood Elf scholars in Tel'rogus seems to serve no other purpose than to show the Void Elves are expanding and can have multiple origins. Now, further clarification would be welcome, but there is nothing there now that would prevent a Void Elf player arguing they had a High Elf exile origin.
Yet Danuser has explained why they aren't going to do that, it is so time consuming to construct these origins that to do so would preclude them expanding customisations if each customisation had to be justified. It is up to the player to explain to themselves why their Sand Troll is now within the Horde.
Similarly, it is up to the player to explain to themselves why their Void Elf has a high elf origin. Unlike the Sand Troll, there is enough circumstantial evidence in game to support this origin. Whilst you have doubts the process could be replicated, the process seems very simple, merely bombard a being with void energy for a certain amount of time and then stop. The Void Elves themselves deployed this process during the Zuldazar assault to convert Ravasaurs into Void Ravasaurs.
There is enough there for a Void Elf player to create a plausible, lore consistent high elf origin. More so than the Sand Troll player has to work with.
Yet they aren't going to provide even that in the majority of cases. These new options are not being provided for any story rationale, they are being added for the sake of adding new options. It's up to the player to determine the meaning of their chosen appearance should they care to do so. That is the true meaning of Danuser's interview with T&E, not that everything is possible but that players have the right to interpret their own appearances however they wish.
I'm not against it being explained, what I am against is this idea that it is impossible until it is explained, particularly given the considerable body of evidence showing it is possible. Rather than wait until Blizzard decides to be more explicit about it (which I think they already have been given Moorgard was directly asked where Void Elf numbers where coming from and he answered other elves are seeking them out), the assumption should be that they can expand.
Can we not talk about us finnaly getting humans in the game? Not talking about those fake elwynn forest humans, but you know, the real humans? Like i realy realy want them.. please blizzzz?
something who happened years ago.
Same as elfranger#542battled against the Amani in Zul'Aman,
same as nightelfranger#125was there during the siege of Suramar and the fall of Gul'Dan
same as, well you get it by now.was there during the Siege of Orgrimmar 1 and the the Siege of Orgrimmar 2
She is rly not, until she actually head something i will agree you, the point is, she is not relevant in years, and there is little reason for her be in the book, let alone do something.Remember, she's more relevant than more of 90% of both the current Horde leadership and the blood elf one.
but well lets wait the book and we can tag ourselves after we read it.
"She has blue eyes and she's Alliance so I don't like her so I'm stating she's not relevant"
Am I right ?
I gave you some notable deeds she did and you reject them.
So that doesn't count by your own standards ?
She already did something. See my list above. But given your animosity toward her, I guess that for you the only way for her to be """relevant""" would be to kill herself and all the Silver Covenant elves with her.
"If you want to play alongside High and Void elves, the Alliance is waiting for you"
Blizzard forgot about Arator and Vereesa in BFA so all hope is lost for them
unless they make it so the Silver Covenant and the important High Elves only appear every other expansion
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at this point I would've loved to see the Blood Elves as chill "don't mess with us or you die" and the High Elves as self-righteous bastards who are like "You helped the cousin of the servant of the brother of the guard of the Horde character #4342324? I kill you today"
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They do have a nice habit of showing up every other expansion
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Wait nvm, he actually meant he didn't like how the humans were going along with the Blood Elves and he wants all the approval to themselves (of course they're like this on the Kirin Tor and now Argent Dawn)
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also, if you want to hear something about treason - it's Aethas giving out the most glorious important high-profile national treasure and heirloom to a human faction, just to get their approval (again)
because standing up on your own as a Magister with Rommath and building each other up and basking in the glory of Felo'melorn with the fellow Blood Elves (and Nightborne) doesn't sound as good as screwing around with sugar mommy Modera
The Alliance gets the Horde's most popular race. The Horde should get the Alliance's most popular race in return. Alteraci Humans for the Horde!
I make Warcraft 3 Reforged HD custom models and I'm also an HD model reviewer.
The Alliance gets the Horde's most popular race. The Horde should get the Alliance's most popular race in return. Alteraci Humans for the Horde!
I make Warcraft 3 Reforged HD custom models and I'm also an HD model reviewer.
you gave something from the first/second war, and some other little apparitions who were not much important trying to make her relevant now. What im sing here is a desperate tentative of making her more important she is to keep some hope going on
Yes, its kinda hard to say someone is relevant now, when the only thing important was something 30 yeas ago
So that doesn't count by your own standards ?
she did nothing in world of warcraft relevant, she didn't head something, she didn't push the lore forward, she just "there" as sidekick or doing nothingShe already did something. See my list above. But given your animosity toward her, I guess that for you the only way for her to be """relevant""" would be to kill herself and all the Silver Covenant elves with her.
Just being "there" is not doing something relevant.
Second war.
She was so irrelevant that Halduron begged her to come to Zul'Aman to help him dealing with the Amani. The irony.
See the list above.Yes, its kinda hard to say someone is relevant now, when the only thing important was something 30 yeas ago
Just like all the blood elf leadership.
And she did. She headed the purge of Dalaran.
"If you want to play alongside High and Void elves, the Alliance is waiting for you"
the irony if that being retconed in chronicles, and i don't remember any begging but sure, wherever you say.
She being commanded by another irrelevant character, sure that shows a lot.See the list above.
if you think she is more relevant than lorthemar alone, or the 3 elves, then we have nothing to discussJust like all the blood elf leadership.
pretty sure it was jaina, she was just killing the elves downstairsAnd she did. She headed the purge of Dalaran.
These are facts. The rest is your opinion.
Vereesa has been more proactive than the 3 elves (liadrin, halduron and rommath) that's a fact.if you think she is more relevant than lorthemar alone, or the 3 elves, then we have nothing to discuss
Halduron isn't worthy of his title since he needs to ask the help of the exiled high elves to do his job.
As for Rommath, Blizzard did a pretty decent job with him.
Lor'Themar did absolutely nothing since his introduction. He's more important than Vereesa of course since he's leading an entire nation. But from a story perspective, yes Vereesa is way more relevant than him.
Yeah. Jaina defeated the Sunreavers alone. She's op
"If you want to play alongside High and Void elves, the Alliance is waiting for you"
it is a fact that chronicles retconed her and the alliance in that instance
I don't think you know what is a fact, cause she sure wasn't, well maybe halduron but i never claim him to be relevant anyway.Vereesa has been more proactive than the 3 elves (liadrin, halduron and rommath) that's a fact.
Liadrin headed the Suramar thing with blood elves and also went Argus, more than veressa did.
Except you know, being a key plot point in MOP with Garrosh and blood elves, commanded the horde naval force in SoO with Sylvanus, again a key point in bfa in Nazjatar, as well apparition in books and novelsLor'Themar did absolutely nothing since his introduction. He's more important than Vereesa of course since he's leading an entire nation. But from a story perspective, yes Vereesa is way more relevant than him.
But sure, she is more relevant.
she was the head in the purge, everyone else was just subordinate of her commandYeah. Jaina defeated the Sunreavers alone. She's op
Retconned or not, Blizzard chose Vereesa to represent the Alliance in Zul'Aman. So she's relevant.
Liadrin co-leaded the blood elves in Suramar. Vereesa leaded the High elves alone in Suramar, and was also present on Argus. What's your point ?
Just like Vereesa being a key plot in MOP too during the purge and then on the Isle of Thunder. She appeared in books and novels too. A whole short story was centered about her and her sisters.Except you know, being a key plot point in MOP with Garrosh and blood elves, commanded the horde naval force in SoO with Sylvanus, again a key point in bfa in Nazjatar, as well apparition in books and novels
Except she isn't a racial leader unlike Lor'Themar.
Without Vereesa, Jaina couldn't have handled the purge and thus won against the Horde in Dalaran. So she was relevant.she was the head in the purge, everyone else was just subordinate of her command
"If you want to play alongside High and Void elves, the Alliance is waiting for you"
Claiming that Vereesa is not an important character is being extremely disingenuous. She has been a major Alliance secondary character since Cataclysm. In WoD and BfA she hardly had any role, but that doesn't matter, because the same can be said for some of the Alliance's primary characters too.